Explaining the Dolphins third round pick - WR Patrick Turner
Day two of the draft didn't start out the way many Dolphin fans were anticipating. Clearly, there were many who felt that USC wide receiver Patrick Turner was not the best value currently on the board. And we all know that Mel Kiper wasn't a fan of the pick - probably because of how far off he was on his mock draft. Luckily for the Dolphins, though, Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland know what they are doing. They set their draft board and clearly stuck to it during the draft - showing the discipline of trusting their evaluations and not wavering from their plan.
So what's the plan for Turner? Let's first talk about what Turner brings to the table physically. He's a very big receiver, standing at over 6'5 and weighing over 220 pounds. And he has very long arms, measuring in at over 33 inches. He's got very good hands and, while people love to knock his speed, he does possess above-average downfield speed for a guy of his size. At his pro day, he ran a 4.59 second 40 yard dash - which was less than one-tenth of a second slower than the more highly-touted Hakeem Nicks.
Don't get me wroing, though, I'm not saying Turner is a down-field threat. In fact, the biggest weakness I see in Turner's game is his ability to get in and out of his breaks quickly and create separation. But he can compensate for that by using his big body and his strength (benched 225 pounds 21 times at his pro day - which would have been the 4th highest total among receivers at the Combine) to get open - something he didn't necessarily do in college that he'll have to improve upon at tthe next level. But he is one of the more polished route runners coming out of the college game - which will surely help in his transition to the pro game.
For more on Turner, I figured I'd get the thoughts of somebody who has probably seen more of Turner than anyone else - Jim from Conquest Chronicles, SBN's USC blog. Here's what he says about Turner:
Patrick Turner has some great size. Turner is strong physical and aggressive. He has good ball skills with decent hands (though it wasn't always that way). He can work off the jam and is tough, not afraid to go over the middle. Decent, but not great leaping ability. He has a lot of determination. Great foot quickness and balance as a route-runner...better than most receivers of his height. Good vision and willing to cut back inside against the grain to generate yards after the catch.
Turner runs solid routes but he is not a big deep threat. He gets caught from behind regularly. Not the physical dominator his size would indicate. Doesn't use his size and strength often enough to generate separation from undersized defenders. A preseason injury negatively affected his junior year but his senior year saw a vast improvement. He will be a solid possession receiver and a red zone threat.
He also included a video of Turner for you to check out, which you can watch by clicking here. The one negative that stands out like a sore thumb in that video is indeed Turner's inability to create separation from the defender. But, again, with some coaching, he can certainly learn to make up for his lack of quickness and speed.
The other knock you hear a lot about Patrick Turner is his lack of production at USC. He was such a highly regarded recruit heading into his college career and many believe that he might have been overhyped as a high schooler. But I see it differently.
Below are his collegiate numbers:
2005: 12-170-2
2006: 29-272-2
2007: 48-569-3
2008: 49-741-10
When I look at those numbers, I don't see poor production. Rather, I see improvement from year to year - a sign that Patrick is yet to reach his peak.
You also need to consider who his teammates were. In 2005, Turner was on a team that included Reggie Bush and LenDale White (who combined for over 3,000 yards rushing in '05) and receivers Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith (who combined for over 2,100 yards receiving in '05). Then as a sophomore, both Jarrett and Smith went over 1,000 yards receiving. Then in 2007, Turner finally began getting a larger role in the offense. But, still, USC was a running team - rushing the ball 64% of the time that season. And when they passed it, the focal point of the offense was tight end Fred Davis, who had over 800 yards receiving and 8 touchdowns.
The 2008 season was the season that really saw Turner flashing the ability everyone knew he had in him. He still wasn't the team's leading receiver, but he did account for over 20% of the Trojans' receiving production. He also became the team's redzone star - leading the Trojans in touchdowns.
Pro Football Weekly's Nolan Nawrocki writes:
USC's Patrick Turner should give the Dolphins the big possession receiver they were seeking opposite Ted Ginn Jr. for average-armed QB Chad Pennington.
That's exactly what I think the plan is for Turner. Yes, I'm aware that we have a number of skilled possession receivers - guys like Davone Bess and Greg Camarillo. But those guys are different than Turner. Bess and Camarillo are better suited as slot receivers. Turner is that big target on the outside for our quarterback. He's also our big redzone target - something this franchise has been missing since the days of Oronde Gadsden.
The best way to sum up Turner's likely role in this offense is as a "poor man's Keyshawn Johnson."
I think all Dolphin fans would be thrilled if that's how Patrick Turner's career played out - minus the loud mouth, of course.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 30, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions
true story
omg, i will be ecstatic if turner has similar production to Boldin
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Apr 30, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I love the pick
If speed was the only thing tht mattered, every 100m olympion would be a WR cause it pays more.
Hands, seperation, speed, size, toughness and determination(in that order) is what’s most important. Hands he has, separation can be tought, speed is decent, size is killer and determination he seems to have as well.
This will open Ginn up big time cause you need a safety or DB to cover him, otherwise LB will consistantly be beaten with high balls. Therefore leaving the short speedy guy 1on1.
Nice post Matti. Totally agree, he looks like he is getting better every year, determination.
I looked at this pick as a sort of Wilford Mulligan/redo...
they thought they had this kind of player in signing Wilford but obviously failed in that so far.
Drafting Turner is, I think, aimed at filling that role. I think of our red zone offense last year and it is obvious that a big target for the ubiquitous fade route from 10 yard line or so was missing. I think he has the potential to be a nice compliment to Ginn & Bess giving us a fast guy (Ginn), a quick, elusive one (Bess), and a big, strong one for jump balls (turner.
P.T
is way faster than ernest wilford and has way better hands and leep skills..
and his coaching in foot-ball is 10times better than wilford…
mark my words..
patrick turners stats will be alot better than what people anticipated them
to be…
=]
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Bottom line
Do you think he is better than Juaquin Igleasias (picked after him) or Ramses Barden? (just two picks ahead, tear)
To me the question is who is the better prospect Turner or London?
They seem similar at first glance but there are huge differences. London has some NFL experience, but not much. He played at an insignificant school and was not drafted although he has some good tools. Turner is younger but played 4 years at arguably the most prestigious school in the country. The thing about USC is that there is such competition at every position. They recruit the best to compete against the best players every year. Not only was Turner drafted in the 3rd round but he was drafted by this regime so that has to mean something I don’t care what they say. This will be an interesting battle to watch because the winner should be the starter opposite Ginn.
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Did not know much about him
But after the pick I did some research, and liked what I saw! Coming into this draft I knew the Fins needed a big end zone threat and Turner has the ability to do so. The Fins have 7 WR now, I know all of them will not be on the roster, I just do not know who is going be cut. London has really become a favorite… I just can not wait!
The Patriots Suck
now
we have someone to throw the fade route to in the redzone.
Turner and Ginn can be very solid complements to one another
and he could be a very solid run blocker.
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I just watched a few fids of Ginn..
And he made real progress along the season. Some of his catches were poorly thrown and he came up with them by adjusting to the ball n such. He surprised me. He will be a top ranked receiver in the next year or 2. As for Cam and Bess.. I LOVE them both. And yes Bess showed he is pretty damn hot in the slot, however I still believe Cam is the type of player you just cannot count out. He reminds me so much of Wes Welker but slightly taller, which is good. BIG heart and wants to have the chance to win the game for you. It sucks.. I dont want to cut any of them. Although I have not seen much of London so I dont know what to think of him.
I like it
Ginn, Turner, London, Bess, Camarillo, and Hartline will all be on the team. I believe Hartline will be used as a special teamer, possibly a kick returner. But, all the guys need to be on their toes in camp and preseason because the undrafted free agent WR we signed, Brennan Marion is really fast and led the nation in yards per reception. Could we possibly carry 7 WRs? I doubt it, Marion will most likely be sent to the practice squad unless there is an injury or he beats out either London or Hartline for the last spot (Ginn, Bess, Camarillo, and Turner are all locks to make the team).
I really like the Turner pick. His skill set addresses something the team really lacked last year (that role was supposed to be filled by Wilford). I’m really excited to see what he can do at this level and I can’t wait to see CP10 throw him a fade in the end zone.
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I agree
I don’t understand why others have been saying that someone else will be cut. I see all 6 of them making the team, barring an injury or Marion beating one of them out like you said. Only Wilford will be cut. The Dolphins will carry 6 WR on the roster, and all of them will likely be active during games as they can all contribute on special teams (except for maybe Turner). Pat White will be listed as a QB and I don’t really see him playing WR at all, except maybe in the Wildcat.
Chambers was traded for a 2nd round pick
He wasn’t released.
but
hes not with the team…
and thats pretty much what im saying about ginn..
and chris chambers was better than ginn…
is better than ginn…
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If you start thinking like that
you’ll never sleep at night. Because anyone could be traded at at any time for the right price. But I highly doubt Ginn will be leaving any time soon, as he is more valuable to our team than any other team would be willing to give up for him.
we were 1-15
chargers over paid for chambers so we took it. not like it made a difference if he stayed or left.
ginn is staying, quit talking crazy. only way he leaves is if we get at the very least a 2nd round pick.
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thats what im trying to say
i cant sleep at night after what we did with chris chambers and wes welker…
imagine what kind of team we would have today if it wasnt for some dumb fk coach..
man im tired!..lol
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Really?
I was all for trading Chris Chambers. His productivity never matched his talent level, and he was arguably the least-clutch player of that team. However, allowing Welker, who clearly was becoming a force to be reckoned with, to walk away to any team, let alone the Pats, was a huge mistake that I blame Cam Cameron for.
Don't forget
That the Pats were gonna get Wes Welker even if we didn’t trade him. He was a Restricted free agent and the dolphins put a high tender on him, a second round pick and a really high contract number, but the patriots didn’t care they were going to pay it. SO instead of that the dolphins made a deal to trade him outright and receive an extra 7th round pick along with the 2nd rounder. It’s just too bad that those ended up being Kelvin Smith and Samson Satele.
truth
chambers was one of my favorite players but it was time.
welker not getting a contract was just retarded.
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No kidding.
Chris Chambers is the anti-clutch. I’d throw the ball to him on first or second down all day long, but on 3rd down or in the redzone, you’d be better off trying to throw to Jake Long.
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and the taylor pick
is pat white today…
so ill take a young reciever over taylor any day and pat white would love throwing it up to chris..
and love across the middle with ginn..
and patrick turner in the red zone…
what a team…
and welker…
dont get me started
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This regime would have traded Chambers
if they were offered the same price. Get over it!
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Lets look at this how the Trifecta would...
I wouldn’t put it past the trifecta to carry 6 recievers plus someone already reported a few weeks ago that Wilford has been training ever since we ended the season and has been in all Voluntary Workouts. I think Turner will cause some needed competition for Wilford, and if he shows serious improvement, I have a feeling we keep Wilford. Anyways, I don’t forsee any changes being made to the WR crew until after mini camps in June, so try and sleep well at night.
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London and Wilford are battling out for the final WR spot
I think that these two WR picks should put London and Wilford in alert. They are likely battling it out and I wouldn’t necessarily rule out Wilford beating out London. London is not as “big” as Wilford, not as talented, and a prima donna type. If Parcells had problems with Taylor, maybe he isnt fond of the “modeling types”, which London seems to be becoming.
Now, that could just be a little fun type of thing he did, and mean nothing, so maybe he’s fine on that part. But Wilford showed a lot more in Jacksonsville than London showed us last season. Also, just remember that London was UNdrafted and cut quite a number of times.
I just don’t want to assume that is Wilford and not London. The team has told London that they want him to fill up. They seem to be not happy with his skinniness. Wilford is a lot more bulky. Just saying…
London was cut quite a number of times?
Really? Because he was actually never cut.
The Giants did “waive” him after last season’s training camp – which is what you do when you try to place a player on a practice squad. But the Dolphins were one of like 15 teams (if I recall) to put in a waiver claim on him.
So no – London hasn’t been “cut quite a number of times.”
And no – Wilford will not beat out London.
truth
Matty is correct. London might not be as much of a “name” as Wilford but in my eyes, no way is Wilford more talented. Wilford might be an inch or 2 taller, but thats about it.
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If you don't make the 53 man roster, that means that you ARE "cut."
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Well then I guess you and I have different opinions on what the word "cut" means.
Because London was “waived” – not “cut”
And yes – there’s a difference.
waived just means that you've only been in league like 3 years or something right?
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Waived means that you did not make the team.
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Matty, he didn't make the 53 man roster.
There is a difference in “waived” and “cut” technically, but the bottom line is that he didn’t make the team. My question is whether he’s a better prospect than Turner.
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Turner is the better prospect
almost without a doubt.
We're all goin' down to the creek tonight; it's gonna be a gas! You're comin', right?
I would take another look at his work out vid...
London is intense and driven. He wants to perform for the team by either making blocks for our backs or that clutch catch.
WR Crew before camp
1) Ginn – no injuries, top receiver, 95% sure he’s in
2) Bess – Right behind Ginn on receptions, some game changing catches, healthy, 90% sure
3) London – Improving reciever, Sparano type player, big, physical, healthy, 95% sure he makes it
4) Camarillo – Would have been top receiver w/ no injury, quick, makes plays, recovering 90% sure
5) Turner – 3rd rd pick, great hands, big frame, decieving speed, too much upside to pass on, 80%
6) Wilford or Harline – This is the toss up, because you have a special teams phenom, and you have a player that’s proven he can play in the NFL but not with the dolphins. But like last year we need bodies at this position, and I still think Wilford is worth more to the team than a 7th rd pick.
Any chance the fins would move Wilford to TE?
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I find it interesting that
you are more sure of London coming back than you are of Bess.
Unless Bess is traded for a lot of picks, he is coming back 100%.
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London's Potential > Bess' Potential
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It's hard to back that up
Bess really stepped up to fill a huge gap from Camarillo’s injury. London had that same opportunity, but was beaten out for the spot. So you can say potential all you want, but unless London shows actual progress, it won’t matter.
How do you figure?
London already had NFL experience under his belt. If you ask me, he has less room to grow.
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HEATER!!
i have been thinking that since last season…
hes big and fast but not as a wide reciever…
but lock him up with a linebacker..
and we set it on FIRE!!!
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so the forever is already implied..,lol
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