Potential impact of "rumored" failed drug tests
As you have probably heard by now, NFLDraftBible.com is reporting that USC linebackers Clay Matthews and Brian Cushing tested positive for steroids at the Scouting Combine. They are also reporting that Vontae Davis and Percy Harvin tested positive for marijuana. Please note, however, that none of these tests have been confirmed by any other source other than that one website.
With that said, however, it'll be very interesting to see how these reports affect each of these prospect's draft stock. Keep in mind, of course, that while we may not know if these reports are accurate, the teams do get an official list of players who have tested positive for any illegal substance. So each team will know if these claims are accurate or not.
Assuming they are accurate, you have to imagine the draft stocks of both Matthews and Cushing take a big hit. Personally, I wouldn't touch either one of these players if they tested positive for steroids.
However, I don't feel the same way about the positive marijuana tests. Yes - it's true that testing positive for pot really makes you question the character, judgment, and maturity of each of these players. After all, these guys were basically attending the world's largest and most important "job interview" when they went to Indianapolis for the Combine. Knowing that you will be tested once you get there, it's hard to fathom how anyone could be dumb enough to use a banned substance in the weeks leading up to the event.
With that said, though, I'm not one who would instantly write off drafting either Percy Harvin or Vontae Davis in terms of Miami's 25th pick just because they smoked weed. Some teams might feel differently. But I think the Dolphins are different. They have strong leadership from the top down - and it all starts with Bill Parcells. The Dolphins also have Ricky Williams - a guy who has been through a similar situation. Davis or Harvin could come to Miami and lean on Ricky for advice and leadership in terms of their "off the field" issues.
The Sun-Sentinel's Omar Kelly, however, feels differently than I do. He thinks that these issues could eliminate them as potential draft picks with that 25th pick. He writes:
Finally, I have gotten word from two good sources that Florida receiver Percy Harvin and Illinois cornerback Vontae Davis are about to see their stocks plummet for "character concerns" that would just about eliminate them from being considered options for the Dolphins with pick No. 25. Second-round, where the financial investment is much less, maybe. But first-round is now a long shot.
This could be another team trying to tank their stock, which does happen. But I've heard too many whispers about Harvin for months to ignore these red flags, and Davis' troubles (or bad habits) just puts his known issues in big bold lettering.
The one thing the Trifecta has been very clear on is they don't want "druggies, divas, and players with character concerns" because they could create a toxic mix inside the locker room. The Trifecta will only take players with the "right makeup."
So my question to you all is if you would still be willing to draft Percy Harvin or Vontae Davis if indeed this report is true and they did test positive for marijuana at the Combine?
(Hat tip to cbdolphin for his fanpost)
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I dont really know what to say but what are these guys thinking you in collage so you must at least be a little smart lol
roids why just why I dont know if they are anobolic but I do know that certain items you can get from gnc will make you fail a roids test but still and all thats not thinking with your dipstick Jimmy
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by Foy on Apr 3, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd pass.
Honestly, Omar makes a good point when he says that its not worth the risk for first round money. Perhaps you can take that risk in the second round. At number 25 I would pass on these guys.
Ricky Williams was a completely different situation. There was almost no risk for Miami to bring him back. Or more to the point, there was no real money invested.
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by 13FinsFan on Apr 3, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DRUGS!!!
I truthfully dont thank its that big of a deal like FOY said it would have to depend on wat steriods he failed for and the pot thing its no an addicting drug like coc or meth ect…
i thank they should all look deeper in to this and make vontae and percy come out and talk about it
by MF_34 on Apr 3, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Steroids
I’m not taking anybody involved in Steroids. Not only because that lands you in hot water with the league, but it has to be assumed that the roids were partially responsible for why that player is so highly rated in the first place. Without them, he’s probably not as good…
But weed? No big deal, these are college kids, they make mistakes, that’s what college is for. Plus, they’ll be the same player on the field, weed or no weed, which isn’t the case with Steroids. If we’re considering Davis/Harvin, I think you still take him, sit him down, say “look kid, cut the crap our your outta the league.” and you move along
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 3, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree I have no problem with pot but as for roids that tells me a little something about the person it says well you took the easy way out
ah forget it just watch the movie THE PROGRAM youll see for yourself lol
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by Foy on Apr 3, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
smoking a little pot is no biggie.
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
by Patssuck456 on Apr 3, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Smoking weed really would not hurt the players ability to perform on the field. Hell tell him he gets a Hershey bar for every good play and he will perform even better! However you do questin his characters, will he continue to smoke and risk suspensions?
With roids, the whole productivity to struggle, I keep thinking about the movie the Program where the one player uses Roids, and sucks at the end.
But, as I posted earlier Luis Castillo tested positive around this time during his draft period and he sent a letter to all 32 teams apologizing for his mistakes and only used it to overcome injury and promised never to do it again and he was drafted 28th
The Patriots Suck
by k2oconnor on Apr 3, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Can't Draft Any Of These Guys
on the list on the first day of the draft. It is too expensive. I agree with Omar.
Another reason I wouldn’t draft these kids are on steroids is that their bodies will break down once they get off them. Not only muscle injuries but tendons and ligaments also. Stay away from these guys at all costs.
It would be a shame if the USC LB’s that I have so high on wanting the fins to take are on that list. I guess it shouldn’t surprise me though, it is Pete Carrol’s USC.
by ct1361 on Apr 3, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone really cares if these players smoked pot.
But it showed that they are irresponsible, prone to make stupid decisions and don’t care for basic rules for a job that will make them tens of millions of dollars.
If you were an employer and you had prospect A.
Prospect A followed all rules and guidelines and has shown slightly less potential than Prospect B.
Then
You have Prospec B, prospect B failed his interview drugtest, showing that he could end up being very prone to company suspensions. He has shown slightly more potential than Prospect A.
Who do you pick?
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by cbdolphin on Apr 3, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A college student smoked pot? ZOMG stop the presses! If Harvin got through 3 years in the hellhole that is Gainesville without smoking pot, I’d be worried that he’s a zombie or a robot or something. This should have no effect on our pick.
Steroids are a completely different animal. Matthews and Cushing should be off the list now.
by Saxonthebeach on Apr 3, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't see why
he didn’t just drink instead
wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than smoking pot
by Brian5517209 on Apr 3, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BP doesn't want druggies on the team?
What about Ricky, one of the most notorious druggie in the NFL?
-"I'll weather whatever storm, Make it out without a bruise"
-"Even when winning illogical, losing is still far from optional"
-"Even the greatest gotta suffer sometime"
-"No excuses, No explanations"
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Apr 3, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JMHO
Ricky was in a hole and if he wanted to avoid losing everything and ending up as a street bum he had to come back clean and work hard. Which he has done.
It was all historical though and the situation existed before BP even got here.
C'mon over to Shady's world, MiamiDolphins.co.uk
by ShadyMDUK on Apr 3, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel the opposite. i would rather have someone doing roids on my team and other drugs bc at least they are trying to get better at the sport they love.
by woody1351 on Apr 3, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd pass on the roiders
because they are selling themselves as more than they are. The kids smoking weed? So what. More needs to be considered before judgment is passed. Smoking marijuana is illegal, yes, but so is speeding and everyone is guilty of that. I do not think that a couple of college kids smoking the peace pipe is cause for questioning their character. Hell, someone can experiment with cocaine and be elected as President. The roids, however, create a false athlete. In a way the roid head is using false advertisement to enter the NFL, get a big payday, and blow-out their body in a few years like David Boston.
12-4 in 2009.
by phatfinfan on Apr 3, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's another issue...
If they failed at tests at the combine it’s not a case of whether it was weed, ’roids, crack or whatever.
It’s the fact that these kids were about to attend the biggest interview of their lives and were dumb enough to keep screwing around when they knew they were going to be tested. That doesn’t just flag up drug issues it also flags up future league suspensions, mug shots and criminal records for similar dumb behaviour.
C'mon over to Shady's world, MiamiDolphins.co.uk
by ShadyMDUK on Apr 3, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt makes it big on Broadway...
Like your style Matty
here it is talking to the enemy
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by Corroncho on Apr 3, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i forgot i even wrote that.
i had to turn that in like a month ago.
by Matty I on Apr 3, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that they smoked pot
I don’t really care about people smoking pot, it’s that it shows they lack self-control and make poor choices. If I told you “Don’t smoke pot, it could literally lose you millions of dollars” (and I guarantee every agent does that) and you didn’t do it, it says a lot about your character. If you can’t control yourself for 6 months with the promise of millions of dollars of reward what will you do once you already have that money?
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by Offer Doll on Apr 5, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pot Big Deal!!
The only thing wit pot is it leads to suspensions and tells you you have poor jugement and wit Roids thats making you better of a player than you actually are it going to screw everything up for you if you smoke pot you might fall out of the 1st round and depends on who you are you might fall out of th 1st day picks but you fail for roids and they can tell you have been on them for awhile of wat not you might be out of the NFL for good or going to mab get a UFA contract and that aint shit so your screwed there!!
by MF_34 on Apr 6, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2009 Draft
I know Parcells doesn’t like to draft wide receivers in the first round, but Hakeem Nicks would be a great addition to the Dolphins who badly needs a go to guy like Nicks. Did you see him in the bowl game! Tremendous competitor with great hands. I feel like he’s a playmaker the Dolphin’s need.
by roaddog8 on Apr 9, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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