My worry was never a Henne thing. For me “out of the box” selections make me feel a little cold. I blame “with the 9th pick of the 2007 draft, the Miami Dolphins select Ted Ginn.”

But having this guy excites me. If he beats out Henne, we are the better for it.

… after you start to read about this kid, it gets IMPOSSIBLE not to root for him. And you know what rooting for Pat White means? Rooting for the Dolphins.

Is a Miami Dolphin!

If he is so versatile, can he line up at DE/OLB and kill Tom Brady?

I love the Pat White selection, i think he’s gonna be a player. First he takes control of the
“wild Pat” then who knows, what I do know is that QB is the most important position on the field and you can never have too many talented players there…

I’d bet you right now that if we drafted Sean Smith w/ our first pick and Pat White with our 2nd, no one would be complaining about “REACHING” on either one.

I just hope that Penne will coach or something
Imagine what this kid will learn from him

Let’s say Henne is our starter and White comes in on select plays. Anyone remember the Gator’s 2006 season?

Chris Leak was our talented starter, and Tebow came in on select plays. That seemed to work out. If Pat White can come in and produce 100 yards of offense out of the Wild cat per game (and with the dynamics of him throwing or running, it’s quite possible) then we made a hell of a selection.

I’ll bet the Falcons would love to have a 23 year old Matt Ryan and a 22 year old Mike Vick.

First off, great post matti

When I heard about the pick, my first thought was we already have a potential QB for the future, why use a 2nd for another QB? How many plays willa back-up QB be involved in, especially as a 2nd round pick?

For me, it was never Henne over White.

The more I thought of the possiblities, the more excited I got. The FO wanted to add weapons to the offence…that they did by spreading it out and forcing one on one. Period.

When the team stacks the box, you throw over them. Ginn’s speed will be a big factor. When they don’t, run through holesor pass to one of our big WR. It’s brilliant. Jimmy Johnson’s comments say it best-30min to prepare awildcat play-a day to defend it.

Any football fan on this site can probably figure out 20 differant scenarios with the White back there.

The only thing I will say is that I typically hate running QB(Vick, Vince Young, Cunningham, Stewart). They usually win games, not championships in the NFL.

If White is a QB, with options, excellent.

Also, I love Davis and Smith, with 2 sharks Wilson and Bell roaming the deep waters. WR will catch 1 ball deep and look over their shoulder the rest of the game.

I know the kid can be a QB. I watched a interview of him on NFL network and he does have a good arm. But all I am saying is I can’t see the coaching staff preparing chad henne then throwing pat white in there. He has a good chance of becoming a great QB. I mean he has skills that have rarely been seen. He can run but not like a vick but like a running back and makes people miss. I think he brings a competitor spirit to this team. I think we will utilize him in every way but QB this and next. If Henne can’t prove he is good then I think White becomes our QB. BTW, nice post Matty. Nothing wrong wit this pick as it brings a bunch of potential to our team.

was that of confusion. On day 1 of the draft, my thought was that this was a pick to solidify the WR position. But from what I read going into the draft, White never worked out as a WR or kick returner, then why draft him at WR? So I wondered why the FO would take a “gimmick” player to run the Wildcat that high in the draft? Shouldn’t the 2nd round of the draft be reserved for everydown starters, not part-time “gimmick” players? That’s why I was confused.

But the selection made more sense after day 2 of the draft. With the picks of Turner and Hartline, the only thing that made sense to me was that the FO sees White as a QB. I still don’t know if I would have taken him at 44, but at least I understand the pick. The FO wants to create a competitive situation between White and Henne. White is a much more accomplished college QB than Henne and his stats bear that out. White is also much more athletic and would give the offense an added dimension.

So I am fine with letting the best QB take the job, whether it is Henne or White. That being said, I don’t know if either of them will be any good, I just would like to see it for myself. And as Mau pointed out in a post weeks ago, 2nd round QB’s have a long history of failure in the NFL. Let’s hope that is not the case here.

The quarterback situation will work itself out……im not worried.

If White plays QB he reminds me of a young McNabb maybe?

Is that Pat White will most likely not be a starting QB. He is brought to the Dolphins to help be an element of surprise to run 7-10 plays a game and keep defenses guessing. If he develops into a great WR or RB then thats awesome, but I don’t think you have to worry about White taking playing time from Chad Henne.

Yes Jeff Ireland said he is brought in to be a QB, but I believe Jeff is just saying the right things. Pat White wants to play QB, and to prevent a hold out and keep him happy on draft day is to say he will play QB. I seriously want to know why people think that drafting Pat White prevents Henne from being the future QB

I heard Mike Mayock and Gruden talking about what Pat white does to our wildcat…I think it can be something special. Pat will have to be the Number 2 quarterback on the roster because the 3rd qb is inactive…so he is going to be out chad henne until ChaddyP gives it up. In the wildcat package, safeties have been coming into the box on either weak side support..Spying ronnie…or what have you…if the safety comes up in the box, we’ll have 1 on 1 out wide…all day long. Chaddy P won’t be out wide..we’ll have Ginn/Bess/Cammy/ the new kid who is 6 5’..whatever floats your boat. I remember feeling that we needed a player to scare a defense…i think we just got that palyer. No one has enough talent on Defense not even the ravens..to stop all the options we can throw at you in this formation. Also..Pat white has a strong arm that chaddyP. We may line up in the wildcat, but he’ll be given specific plays that will enable him to throw the ball down field to GINN!! FiNALLY RIGHT!!! Go PHINS…

I came to the conclusion that he may not have been there at 61 or whatever the Vikings were very high on him as well

and White to add some excitement here and there.

Overall, you know this is going to be a great year to be a Miami Dolphin fan. If last year was THAT exciting, imagine what this coaching staff has in store for us this year.

Everyone at this site has swayed me in the proper direction on this pick. Write-ups like this that tend to come from you are a big reason why.

Excellent Post. I believe certain players are winners, and Pat White is a WINNER.

but Henne isnt as raw as White is, White may take a while to develop as a QB, then again maybe not, he is a smart kid.

The Cleveland “stains”, I like that.

We had such a huge need at corner that even if we didn’t predict that we would take Vontae Davis, we all knew that we needed at least 2 corners early this year. There isn’t anything else to discuss there. I think we are talking about Pat White so much is that we’re all in shock a bit about the selection. It seems as though the front office trio has much more faith in many of our players than our fans, because many people were predicting “upgrades” at positions were we have good players already.
Personally, I love our draft from top to bottom and I think we’re ready to compete with any team.

but I tend to favor some of the things that both ‘dab’ & ‘ct’ mentioned.

I specifically dispute the notion that pat white was drafted specifically as a ‘QB’. If he was, and is to be graded purely as a QB, then it makes no sense and would be a poor choice.

Why?

They spent a 2nd round choice on a QB last year. Plus they already have an above average veteran QB that just lead them to 11 wins and a division title. So if they are so unsure of Henne and thus needed to hedge their bets – why not simply resign the proven starter in Pennington? You don’t spend a 2nd round pick 2 years in a row for a QB – especially when the guy you draft in the first of those years (Henne) hasn’t played a down. Moreover, you can’t develop and groom two guys in a row that way at the same time.

Again, I’m not buying Pat White as a pure QB.

So to me, I read the pick as White being a multi-dimensional player.

I still think we had bigger needs though. For instance, remember when cam/mueller came in and kept the core of our defense intact? Recall how Keith Traylor was already 35 – then the next year he basically lost it completely. This year, we’ll similarly be counting on a 35 year old to anchor our 3-4. We had much bigger needs and I’d challenge anyone here to produce proof that before the draft that the dolphins were somehow hurting for a slash type player. I think what we are seeing is people rationalizing the pick – because it wasn’t a primary need.

Now before the homer’s and Parcell’s lap dogs start complaining – I’m not hating on Pat White, I’m not rooting against him, and I hope he’s an absolute star here. Help us win games and it will all be right. Agree? Disagree? :)

…but I want to talk about the heart.

Matty needs cred on this one. Big time. I remember a month (or two) ago Matty bandied about an interest in Pat White and many including myself dismissed it. So for that Matty needs a pat on the back and a get-out-of-jail-free card for his John Beck training camp posts last year. Heh.

Seriously Matty, good job on seeing this. That takes above average insight. Perhaps, Phinsight?.

That aside, let me make this simple: The reason why a healthy portion of Dolphins fans have been “down” on this pick or “loyal” to Chad Henne is simple. Two words: Dan Marino.

We, as Dolphins fans, have seen the power of the pocket passer and ever since we lost it we have wanted it back. We have also seen the power of the dominant running back, whether Csonka and Morris or Ricky Williams running over just about everyone. I leave Ronnie out only because he hasn’t had one of their years yet.

We have, in other words, become fans of meat and potatoes football. The “Wildcat,” despite its roots (and actual reality) in very old historical football philosophies is still to us a strange thing. Outwardly we say it is not a gimmick and yet when we watch one of the Manning brothers drive down the field we say to ourselves, “That’s football.” We want Marino handing the ball to Williams. Both in their prime.

Last but not least: Pat White could be a transformative football player. I see Pat White as a throwback. And by throwback I mean THROWBACK. We’re talking Jim Thorpe here. Pat White embodies Thorpe’s skill set (and physical/mental makeup) better than any player in probably decades. Vick had the talent but not the acumen. It was for Thorpe that Glenn Warner created the Single Wing (or Wildcat as we now call its recent manifestation).

I easily see the fingerprints of a guy like Parcells on this one. Aging genius decides to take things back to their roots, to show how much football is unchanged.

Or not.

I guess I’m saying that I see White as the essential final piece in allowing the Phins to run a fully realized Single Wing. I still say Henne wins the battle. He has the makeup of a champion. I still say giving the ball to Ronnie in a pro set with elite blocking will dominate more teams than a double reverse pass will. It’s just that if we need to run that double reverse pass, we now have a serious weapon to either catch or throw it or both (after bouncing it off the moon).

If nothing else the “Wildcat” formation could quickly become a “Shotgun” formation with Pat White at the helm. That’s enough to give defenses fits.

Wow. Long post. Deep breath. Drunken Phinisdering… Something friends should let friends do.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=62&f=1843&t=4283360&p=1
Here’s what one poster said:

When I was reading that article, I kept thinking: That can’t be a journalist writing it. There’s too much knowledge.
Until I hit the link. :)
The sbnation network of sites does a lot of really good stuff. I highly recommend a lot of the stuff on that network, and please visit other team’s sites on there. There is a wealth of technical information available if you peruse the various affiliated sites.

and you deserve it, but you also wanted Davis and especially Smith, so you completely owned day one of the draft and it definitely was impressive because no one was as high on those three players as you, well done.

Post is well done as usual, I’m starting to take that for granted, but I personally would not have drafted White in any round, I never viewed him as an NFL prospect and that hasn’t changed, I think I might do a post as to why.
I don’t hate White, I just hate the fact that we picked him, and Henne is still a prospect because he hasn’t done anything yet, IMO it was a mistake to release Beck.
I have not nor will I ever root against any Dolphin, the mere thought is ludicrous to me, I would be happy to be proved wrong by White, but until then I believe I’m entitled to my own opinion, and I may end up being completely wrong, but in my 46 years i’ve learned to trust my own eyes, and when I watch White, I just don’t see it :>)