Pat White to Win the starting QB job within 2 years
per mike mayock at the NFL network....
ok i spent more time watching the NFL network coverage then espn (btw: is it me or are they seriously drifting away from actual content and analysis to a show of personality shots and scripted banter highlighting their talking heads???)
but if someone can find the following the clip, PLEASE LINK it here, because it says a lot in my book. On sunday while wrapping up the draft in say the 7th round, mike mayock was saying the white pick was one of the best picks of the draft and that white would beat out the two "hanging chads" (yuck, yuck, yuck) within 2 or maybe 3 years since white was the best pure passer in this years draft.
Mayock, in my book, has proven to be a pretty straight shooter, and not prone to hyperbole as some of the talking heads have been know to do. he was all over ryan last year, and said teams(aka the dolphins) passing on him were making a huge mistake. So we should all take note here, and maybe we are all limiting our expectations on white when we see him as only the wildcat QB, and that we need to look at him more as a QB prospect who could be the franchise QB that most of us are looking for.
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I would love for White to win the starting job...
… as long as it results in wins. I really don’t care who is behind center getting the job done as long as they are actually GETTING THE JOB DONE. I don’t care if it’s Pennington (a little old), Henne (a little unproven), Beck (a little cut from the team), or White (a little non-traditional). Heck, when he was on the team for a few months, I didn’t care if it were Josh McCown. The bottom line is you have to produce.
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by Daniel52 on Apr 28, 2009 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mhmm i think he could, however, I would prefer prefer Henne for some reasons-
1. Henne is a prototypical NFL passer and there is a reason why there is a “prototype” for QBs. In my opinion a QB is meant to pass the ball not to run with it, if you add that our O-Line is going to be supreme then I would take Manning instead of Vick if you asked me. Also add that he has shown a lot of promise and has got all the tools to succed.
2- Henne has already got a year of experience under his belt, and according to the moves this FO made during this draft, this rebuilding process is one second away from being completed so why waste more time.
Let them compete and may the best man win
by MauMontaV5 on Apr 28, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
However, one thing that I along with many people are pointing out is that there is a reason
why such a conservative guy like Parcells chose a “luxury” player in the middle of a rebuilding process with a high pick. I think these guys have big plans for Pat White.
by MauMontaV5 on Apr 28, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think that is why
mayock was stressing, that unlike most people, he believes that white will be a great pure passer….
to follow this up, i was watching last night and mayock repeated this claim and what’s his name ex 49er front office blogger guy, reinforced mayock and said white throws the best deap ball out of all the QB’s in this draft.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 28, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wny....can we please get rid of cp and just put henne or white in their...they add so much more to our offense then cp can right now.
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by finsxfactor on Apr 28, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
two things
who is this CP you speak of – I only know of Henne, White, and the Lame Ducker….
but otherwise I agree, i still don’t see what point the lame ducker serves other than to take valuable snaps away from 2 young upcoming QB’s.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 28, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i kno. like dont get me wrong. I like how cp helped us. but now its gotten to that point where our o-line and rb are pretty much solid
wr’s have experience now. the passing game will be compeletely more dynamic and our offense much more explosive with henne or white…(whimpers because i cant mention beck ..) because how the arm thing. I hate how it comes to arm strength…but in essence that is really what it is. Ted Ginn, our most explosive player in terms of big-play potential, is a speedster. His game will be much more complete and “scary” if we can have a qb who can sling it down the field and hit him on that deep ball.
perfect example of this was last year. week 17…vs the jets. that fleaflicker…henne/white could have easily lead him and it would have been a touchdown but cp could not reach that far and ginn had to come back for it.
we have to find out what we have in henne or white, because caretaker qbs…honestly are not going to get us anywhere at this point…and quite frankly im frustrated. Sure it was great to have a qb we could rely on week in-week out but if we want to get anywhere far into the playoffs and win a championship we need our franchise qb
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by finsxfactor on Apr 28, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL BEST PART!!! was during draft when they did the big head thing...mayock was screaming.."doogie"...and i was dying with laughter
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by finsxfactor on Apr 28, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i love mike mayock
even though i dont get many opportunities to watch him, but the few time i have, i enjoyed it
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Apr 28, 2009 5:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Back to earth people
I think everyone is a little to high on White winning the starting job, hate to dissappoint but it aint gonna happen. By the way how many qb’s like Pat White are successful starters now?? ummm…… ya thats right 0 ZERO! He will never be more than a he is barley 6’ and not even 200 lbs, ya he can run big deal he doesnt play RB he played QB, anyone can run the ball in college. The “typical” QB has always been the prototype for a reason it works and the others fail. When will people open their eyes to this. dont get me wrong I’m excited to see what he can do in the “Wildcat offense” not as a starting QB. Before you think I’m raining on the parade I’m just thinking like a fan and not a homer. I love the cb picks we took they showed prove to be instant success. I just wonder that drafting White at at 44 seemed early cause if I read correctly he was gonna last into the deep 2nd, 3rd and early 4th. It seems uncharacterisitc of Parcells to do and people who think that he was drafted because they dont belive in Henne is bull. Henne has all the tools to stand back therein the pocket take a hit and release it for a touchdown. The last thing this franchise needs is an every down QB who is better at running the ball than he is passing it and has very flimsy body frame. I hope he succeeds and helps the team but until I see it its kind of hard for me to picture him having any other impact other than the wildcat and maybe one day being a good slot wr.
by TheG13 on Apr 28, 2009 5:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we learned something during Draft weekend is that pretending to know how Parcells thinks will
just make you look like an asswhipe.
by MauMontaV5 on Apr 28, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you
idk why everyone immediately jumped on Pat White being out starting QB…we have Henne, we been developing and will continue to do so until the administration deems him ready for playing time
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Apr 28, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Competition and insurance,
for Henne. I love the pick and I’m glad the regime made a statement by releasing Beck.
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by joel311 on Apr 28, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard Mayock too
but I believe he saif could be the starting QB not would
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by Blaze453 on Apr 28, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
in two years he wont be on the team
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by uncle finster on Apr 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I watched vids of him...
And his footwork as a qb is all over the place. Hes hopping and bouncing. To me that shows he is not comfortable in the posisition. Now throw him ino the NFL setting? You think John Becks footwork was unsettled? I do not pretend to know it all, maybe I am wrong here, but what I see in the vids of White is a really good running back who was told he was good at QB and was put there because he could run or pass. I always believe that teams that need a qb that runs like a rb are just trying to “fix” something with the wrong tool. Sure you may get it to work.. but its much easier and whatnot with the correct tool.
by MainePhinFan on Apr 28, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The way some people talk around here, its a wonder they aren't running this team instead of Parcells and Ireland.
For all those who feel obligated to drop “reality checks” on the rest of us-go learn some history and study some coaching before you try to tell us what to think.
1.) There have been a number of QBs who don’t fit the “prototype” that have made it in football, including a Mr. Drew Brees who is playing right now and doing pretty decently for himself. Both Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez were ‘only’ 6’-2"- ie closer to Pat White’s height than Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. I guess the fact that White had the best passing mechanics of any QB at the combine, INCLUDING Mark Sanchez, means nothing because he’s not an inch taller?
2.) For those who say he is a system quarterback- Donovan McNabb was a run first QB, Drew Brees and Kyle Orton came from a shotgun spread team, not to mention the Roger Staubachs and Steve Youngs of the NFL. Even Joe Montana ran the triple option in college. Thats why we have a scouting department – to separate the player from the system.
3.) If you think the Wildcat is a ‘gimmick’, you don’t know football. The principles of the Wildcat were around when the forward passing game was a gimmick. Everything you see and are used to now, be it the forward pass, I formation, the shotgun, the west coast offense – they were all inventions, and all were scoffed at upon introduction. In the words of Tony Sparano – "There was an awful lot left on the bone that we didn’t roll out there in the wild-cat". Like it or not, spread offenses are inflitrating the NFL, and they aren’t going anywhere because teams are realizing that you can take those concepts and get a guy like Tyler Thigpen or Matt Cassel to hang 40-50 points on a team like . . . oh I don’t know- the Dolphins. Tom Jackson said on ESPN that Parcells had envisioned using this offense before he had even retired from the Cowboys, and now we have one of the guys in David Lee who popularized and perfected it at Arkansas. If you’re hoping for it to go away I suggest you get out of your cave and enjoy having an innovative and daring coaching staff – it may fizzle and die but at least they were willing to take a chance and explore the possibilities of a Wildcat with a threat to throw the ball .
Oh- and for those people who are too intellectually lazy to think for themselves and spout off the old “college offenses don’t work in the NFL” – you’re beloved I formation was created at VMI- a COLLEGE.
Tom Nugent, the football coach at Virginia Military Institute, had a new idea. Instead of having halfbacks on each side of the fullback, he thought it made more sense to line up the halfbacks behind the fullback. With the offensive backfield in a straight line, they looked more like an ‘I’ than a ‘T’, and a new formation was named.
After five years at VMI, Nugent brought the I to Florida State in 1954, and it began to spread, most notably to John McKay, who used the formation to win the national championship at USC in 1962. Before long, NFL teams took notice, and the I became the most common set in pro football.
Most ideas in pro football now were either created or developed on the College level where free thinking is more encouraged and often times required to allow smaller programs to compete with larger, more tradition laden schools – and afterwards those bigger schools, and eventually the NFL steal those ideas and they become the norm – until some other little guys comes up with a way around them.
Like it or not White has a place on this team next season, and there is a better than good chance he beats out Henne to start full time.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 28, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
OK
The way some people talk around here, its a wonder they aren’t running this team instead of Parcells and Ireland.
look whos talking.
I guess the fact that White had the best passing mechanics of any QB at the combinethis is far from fact, he looked very good, but his mechanics are the problem.
If you think the Wildcat is a ‘gimmick’, you don’t know football.
make up your mind
– it may fizzle and die but at least they were willing to take a chance and explore the possibilities of a Wildcat with a threat to throw the ball .
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by uncle finster on Apr 28, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take it
you think our FO should’ve picked someone else?
by haildanhenningnow on Apr 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he is just contradicting Gator's statement
by MauMontaV5 on Apr 28, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know..
he said in another post that Pat would be out of the league in 2 years so I’m thinking he thinks our FO is incompetent.
by haildanhenningnow on Apr 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is that when such a conservative guy like Parcells drafts
a guy like this in the second round in the middle of a rebuilding process its because they think the guy can play at QB and be there for years to come. They are going to compete, believe they are.
by MauMontaV5 on Apr 28, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the FO just dont like the pick
I have no doubt dude, that they will compete, just dont like shrimp Patty.
But everyone gets so serious, I’m just having fun voicing my opinions :>)
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by uncle finster on Apr 28, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great snarky responses- too bad none of them are grounded in logic or reality.
1.) Look who’s talking- I assume this to point out I am being hypocritical? Exactly how? I think the front office is doing a fine job and I am glad to have them- I don’t want to replace them at all- unlike say – you, who thinks they are smarter than Bill Parcells, Jeff Ireland, and Tony Sparano.
2.) Far from fact? Lets see- Ron Jaworski on Pat White:
“What I saw was a quarterback,” Jaworski said of Pat White. “Everyone talks about (White as a) wide receiver or a Wildcat quarterback. What I saw was a quarterback with outstanding fundamentals who threw the ball very well.”
Mike Mayock on Pat White:
“Pat White is not a gimmick,‘’ Mayock said. "He’s the type of kid who you want the ball in his hands. I don’t care if he’s running it, throwing it, or catching it. I want the ball in his hands. Some teams like him as a quarterback. I’d take him in the second round with no hesitation, use him as a Wildcat this season, and try to develop him as a full-time quarterback, because I think he’s got that kind of ability.’’
Per SI.com:
Score one for collegiate experience and a little old-fashioned perseverance, because of all the quarterbacks who threw on Sunday in Lucas Oil Stadium, none looked better than West Virginia’s Pat White, the record-breaking senior passer who many have been trying to project as anything but a quarterback.
White threw the ball accurately and with authority in his quarterback group, looking poised and comfortable in an unfamiliar setting that has thrown many a highly-ranked quarterback off his game. White was especially strong in throwing deep outs, which always catch the eye of NFL scouts.
“I’ll tell you who looked good today and that was Pat White,‘’ one longtime NFL offensive assistant coach told me. "He really helped himself with that workout. He made people recognize him as a quarterback.’’
Oh yeah, sounds like he’s terrible- tons of work to do. Where’s YOUR evidence? What, Mel Kiper doesn’t like him? Or are you a QB coach who has broken down film now?
3.) Make up my mind? Again, sounds nice and smug but you are inferring something that isn’t a logical deduction. Does Arkansas still run the Wildcat? Does SF still run the Bill Walsh West Coast Offense? Ummm, no. Does that mean the fundamental principles behind them aren’t valid? Hell no. Camcam’s offense didn’t do much here, but in SD and now in Baltimore it seems to be doing fine. If we were to decide to go in a different direction, or it doesn’t work with our personnel for some reason doesn’t mean the principles behind it aren’t valid.
Again, if your point was to sound smarmy you did a great job (a classic tactic of someone with a point but no proof)- but you have still failed to make an actual argument.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 28, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK the sequel
I think the front office is doing a fine job and I am glad to have them
I agree with this 100%, but we were talking about a draft pick, not the state of the franchise, lets try to stay on point.
If you agree with a pick or disagree, your playing GM, and accusing people of playing GM on any sports team blog site, is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500, this is what the site is designed for.
a classic tactic of someone with a point but no proofYour gonna quote other guys OPINIONS and call it proof and evidence lol
3.) Make up my mind? Again, sounds nice and smug but you are inferring something that isn’t a logical deduction.well lets see
If you think the Wildcat is a ‘gimmick’, you don’t know footballthats how you started the paragraph, inferring YOU know its going to be around a long time.
it may fizzle and die but at least they were willing to take a chance and explore the possibilities of a Wildcat with a threat to throw the balland thats how you ended the paragraph, inferring that it may be a gimmick.
dude please:>)
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by uncle finster on Apr 28, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're clearly incapable of logic so this is pointless.
For the last time-
Yes this site is for discussion- my problem is that you are baselessly bashing the pick without providing any sound reasoning for WHY it would be a negative pick besides a series of cliches like “college don’t work here in the pros lol” which has proven repeatedly to be untrue. When you are called out on those cliches you offer no backup for them, but keep spouting them and then try to get bogged down in petty details. Where is your explanation for why the I formation can cross over from college, but not a spread attack? Oh, you’d rather harp on the details of a statement that may come across as contradictory- is that because you have no explanation?
Your gonna quote other guys OPINIONS and call it proof and evidence lol
yeah- a professional scouts opinion, an NFL expert with a track record, and an ex QB – not somebody who doesn’t even sound like they watch college football – ie you. Even if you deny it is evidence, its better than anything you provided- which would be NOTHING – so you can ‘lol’ all you want.
I could also go on and on about the best predictors of success in the NFL being college starts and completion percentage, – or intangibles like leadership, character, etc. Your only point so far has been “he is too smallz lulz shrimp patty”.
And
thats how you started the paragraph, inferring YOU know its going to be around a long time.
No- YOU infer that means it is going to be around a long time – like I said, you inferred something that is not a logical deduction of my statement. Just because something is sound in principle doesn’t necessarily mean it will adopted, continued, or used. I already stated several examples of offensive systems changing for reasons OTHER than losing effectiveness which you conveniently ignored- so don’t dude please me, you have no argument.
Once again, great job at being snarky yet pointless. Instead of providing even a shred of evidence you resort to arguments about semantics and other petty tactics of people who don’t know how to debate properly. I’m choosing to end this conversation here, because as I stated above you’re clearly incapable of absorbing and processing a logical statement, and then responding in kind- making this a pointless exercise.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 28, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"the world Chico, and everything in it" -Tony Montana-
creator of cute little bust name "shrimp Patty" for Pat White
by uncle finster on Apr 28, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow dude
great write up and i rec’d it…i agree i believe the Wildcat will be here to stay as well and Pat White will make it a helluva a lot more effective and explosive…
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Apr 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding Write Up
and I couldn’t agree more. Almost everything in the NFL has its origins in college football, because like you stated above, the different philosophies and systems are needed to give small programs the opportunity to compete against the bigger programs. These small programs know that man for man they are not as talented, so they out scheme their opponents. They put their guys in a position where they can utilize their strengths and minimize their weeknesses. It gives them a better chance to win.
This is one of the best write-ups that I have seen on this site. WELL DONE. This is also the first REC that I have given on a comment.
by ct1361 on Apr 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about....
We worry about 2 years down the road when it comes, we have no clue what will happen next year. In the NFL you cant just predict even 2 years down the road what will happen.
White will likely be the #2 next season, we will see what happens with Pennington and Henne, but I love the pick.
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by Jtpdolphins2009 on Apr 28, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love it for the simple fact that
our competent and experienced FO, or someone on their staff, went coast to coast and border to border and spent countless hours and resources looking for the type of players they need to make their system work the best in an effort to make the team I pull for and support the absolute best in the NFL so I can sit on my ass and watch people piss&moan about what guys who do this for a living should or shouldn’t have done.
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by haildanhenningnow on Apr 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I love it for the simple fact that
there are people who are blind followers of whoever is in charge. That there are people who can sit on there ass and say “these people do this for a living, so they must be right”. What a great world it is to live in when all you have to do is follow others.
Just like in ‘07 when Cam was an offensive genius and the draft of Ginn, Beck, Satele. I bet you were one of the ones who said what a great draft that one was. Matty was in that group. But some of us critical thinkers said at the time had problems with it. Looking back some of us were right (I didn’t like the picks of Ginn and Beck, but I liked Satele) and can, some were wrong, and some didn’t have an opinion.
As I have said in other comments in other posts, just because the guy’s name is Bill Parcells doesn’t make him automatically right. He has had great drafts in the past and he has had awful drafts. And until a team that he is running in the FO wins a playoff game, (which hasn’t happened since ’98) everyone has every right to be critical of the decisions that have been made.
by ct1361 on Apr 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I love it for the simple fact that
there are people who are so eat up with themselves that they twist things others say or imply so they flatter themselves EVEN MORE..hard to believe thats possible in your case.
You assuming I was one of the ones who loved the 07’ draft further proves it.
Some of us REAL “critical thinkers” actually know you have to wait until ALL the evidence is in before an end result can be determined while wannabes talk about how moronic something is or how it’s a failure from the beginning.
BP is human and has had horrible drafts like every other GM but saying a pick is good or bad in your opinion without any proof other than a feeling you have is much more laughable than anyone else trusting someone who is right more than wrong.
If my car develops a miss and/or starts making a knocking noise etc. and you say “My cousin had a car one time and it started missing and he had to put another motor in it” I’ll be damned if I start jerking the motor out or just junk it without first taking it to an experienced mechanic who will say “Well..it could just be your Torque Convertor,Carbon deposits on a piston,valves need adjusting,a basic tune-up,fuel filter clogged,water in the gas” etc.etc.etc. because people who do certain things for a living have “seen it all” therefore their opinions,assumptions and conclusions have a lot more probability of being correct.
by haildanhenningnow on Apr 28, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny to me
to see people immediately pile off the Chad Henne Bandwagon and chase down the Pat White Bandwagon. 3 days ago, we were arguing about how we need more weapons for Henne, whether or not he should start, how good our WR’s will be once he’s in the lineup, and if the OL is good enough to get him some playing time.
Now, Pat White shows up, and who need Chad Henne? We have the great PAT WHITE!! It’s like last year, the minute Henne was chosen, everyone piled off the Beck Bandwagon.
It’s so short-sighted to immediately claim that White is the future QB and he’s so great, when Henne is light years ahead of him as far as being an NFL QB. He’s spent an entire year with our coaches learning the position and the offense. He spent 4 years in college running a dropback style offense and preparing to play in a pro offense. Why are we all the sudden casting him aside for an option running QB who is small (6’1, under 200lbs) and played in one of the most gimmicky college offenses going (Rich Rod’s spread option).
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea i feel like i am the only one
who DOESN’T want White starting…i really think the coaching staff has zero intentions of making him the starting QB…yea so they may list him as our 3rd QB but that maybe just because they need a 3rd QB on the depth chart and have too many receivers to list…
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Apr 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I don’t see how White is in a better position to lead this team over Henne. But I am open to a QB competition and let the best guy win, because I am not convinced Henne is that guy (I just know that Penne isn’t).
To address another point, the selection White in the 2nd round tells me he better be in competition for QB. Because if this FO used a 2nd round pick to only play in the Wildcat formation (7-12 snaps per game), it was a wasted pick. You don’t draft a guy that early to be a gimmick or part time player. 2nd round picks should be everydown starters IMO.
by ct1361 on Apr 28, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget-
he was taken with a higher pick than Henne as well (44 vs 57)- he definitely needs to compete for the QB spot, and keep it close even if he doesn’t ultimately win.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 28, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I don’t know if White can play QB in the NFL. I also don’t know if Henne can play QB in the NFL. Let them compete and see who is the better player. The 2nd round pick in this case warrants that competition IMO.
I will say this though, if I am Chad Henne, I wouldn’t like the pick of White in this draft. Henne just went from the heir apparent to competing for the spot.
by ct1361 on Apr 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree to an extent
but since he hasn’t really proven anything he really has no right to be upset or anything.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 28, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does he just have to be a gimmick player?
why can’t he be a full-time WR, like I expect to happen?
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 28, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think its a given he is going to beat Henne-
I just see it as ridiculous to dismiss him from the QB competition. Henne has the time in the offense but if White is more talented he should play. Whether that is true or not I’d like to see instead of writing him off as a punt returner and slot receiver.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 28, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't think i ever got off the henne bandwagon
although i’m a little concerned about a QB controversy once the lame duck is out of the picture now… but a couple points to make.
well henne likely has a stronger arm, but white is by far the more dynamic player and unless henne beats out the lame duck at camp he’ll most likely spend game day as the #3 to white as the #2 as white will take the field.
also, white is the more accomplished and dynamic college player, having rushed and thrown for more than 10,000 yards, so to dismiss white as a serious challenge to henne’s position as the future QB of the dolphins is just plain wrong and short sighted.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 28, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.....idk how you did it lol...but you perfectly conveyed my thoughts and feelings
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by finsxfactor on Apr 28, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to agree
now i can’t say anyone around here would challenge my opinion that Henne, up until saturday, should be the starting QB for game 1 this year, but I have to say i haven’t been this geeked up about a dolphin qb since um, um, hmm, dare i say that qb if you go back 13 crappy ones.
and to all those people who say white can’t play at 200lbs, heck… people have been trying to kill welker for 5 years now and i think i’ve seen one direct hit on him. you can’t hit what you can’t catch.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 28, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol hes so elusive im not worried about him getting hurt....despite what people are saying on how hes just a wildcat type of guy
i completely disagree. he has the skills and those intangibles to be great. hes versatile and gives our offense more explosion. i cant even remember the last time we had a qb that could outrun practically the whole defense lol
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by finsxfactor on Apr 28, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I look at it like this
White may be a better overall athlete than Henne, but I’m sorry from what I’ve watched in videos and highlights of both players, Henne is far more ready to be a QB in the NFL and let alone his body frame can absorb a hit, I’m afraid White could get killed with his puney body frame. 6’ and like 195 lbs just isn’t gonna cut it, it never has and never will. Dree Brees is about 6’1 like 215, Brees has a totally different mentality he has the classic drop back QB style that has always won championships. Like someone mentioned earlier about Whites happy feet, he will never learn to be a dropback QB, its not his mentality you can’t change that. If you want to look at a particular stat you can figure your ideal QB size would be 6-2/6-5 215-240 somewhere in that range. Brees is an exception to that rule and their always is, but he is 1 out of 32 starters, I cant think of any other starters in the league who are the same as Brees or even smaller like White. Who cares if I’m not Parcells he isnt 100% right all the time and as a fan who pays for merchendise and things like that I can say my opinion all I want Parcells is a genius but he’s been wrong plenty of times. I hope to God Pat White ends up being great for us but as far as full time QB not gonna happen.
by TheG13 on Apr 28, 2009 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See- this is the problem I have
-you have ventured from stating an opinion to trying to pass something off as fact :
but as far as full time QB not gonna happen.
That is not an opinion, (i.e. I think pizza tastes good) – that is how you state a fact (i.e. Dan Marino is the best QB of all time).
The worst part is you are – either inadvertently or willfully – ignoring or distorting actual facts and history to suit your argument.
I mean this statement:
Brees has a totally different mentality he has the classic drop back QB style that has always won championships.
Do you not realize that Brees came from Purdue- one of the originators of the Shotgun spread passing offense and took virtually NO snaps from under center in college? Do you not remember that one of the pros in his scouting report was his scrambling ability? Do you not remember some of his initial struggles to adjusting under center which contributed to a 29 to 32 TD to INT ratio and mediocre YPA average until his 3rd year? He seemed to change his mentality pretty well.
By saying he could never learn to be a dropback QB you are basically saying he is either uncoachable or our coaches suck. Learning things like how to take snaps from under center or solid footwork is pretty basic and with White’s athleticism and coordination he should have no issues adjusting – just like Brees had to. Even if he doesn’t become the best pure dropback passer in the history of the NFL- Roger Staubach and Steve Young both had record setting career QB efficiency ratings when they retired as scrambling QBs.
As far as your size argument- besides ignoring some pretty darn good smaller QBs who played in the league like Jeff Garcia (6’1" 205 lbs) – do you really think he will still weigh 195 pounds after spending time in an NFL strength and conditioning program – one of the best in the league at that? Who is to say he can’t put on 5, 10, or even 15 lbs without sacrificing his athleticism? The real goal isn’t even some target, ideal weight anyways- but an ideal height to weight ratio that is the maximization of the tradeoff between athleticism and injury.
I’m not trying to say he WILL play QB, he WILL beat out Henne, or that he will be any good at all – but to make the argument you are making, and in the fashion you are making it is just wrong. There is not just a chance but a good chance he takes the starting QB spot from Henne, just like there is a chance he never throws a pass outside of the Wildcat, and just like there is a chance he never throws a pass at all. I don’t care if Henne wins out or White wins out- just like I don’t care if we run 80 plays from the I formation or if we are a 4 wide spread attack offense, I just want to win and I don’t want prejudices, traditions, prototypes, or any other impediments to progress to get in the way.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
careful bucko
you are kinda-sorta startin to sound like me ona rant.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 29, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol i was starting to kinda think the same
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by el presidente 00 on Apr 29, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know gator
but if you asked me there is a ton of difference between the NFL and NCCA… and a guy who was say 5-10 and 200 lbs
could never play running back in the NFL for the last 8 years in philly …. it just isn’t going to happen because 25 lbs lighter means that the player will break upon impact. so i don’t see any way that white can finish a season in miami let alone live to tell about it.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 29, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL-
you’re right- you’ve convinced me. That guy would have an especially terrible career in Philly if he came from a less than tier one school like Villanova or something too- you forgot that.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 29, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
westbrook is 203.
those extra 3 lbs make a huge difference.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on May 1, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was posting this in the who's got what number post...
but what people seem to say to knock Wildpat is that he is too talented to use as a QB and that the option offense won’t work in the NFL.
by phranchise on Apr 28, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but really
Don’t you guys think that the triumverate has some KILLER plans for this guy since they picked him so early?
I think BP is onto the idea of having a new breed QB since he was the one who personally picked Jayson Foster last year.
by phranchise on Apr 28, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Doug Flutie 5'9"
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by phranchise on Apr 28, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE MIAMI
I’ve been a dolphins fan since reggie robie was around it’s great to see pat white in miami i think he will beat out henne for the job think about the scrambling and strong arm reminds me of mike vick GO PHINNS………..
by biggphinn4eva on Apr 29, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LIVE AND DIE MIAMI
HENNE DON’T HAVE SCRAMBLIN ABILITY LIKE PAT ALSO HAVE A GREAT ARM AND THAT’S WHAT WE NEED I THINK PARCELLS AND HIS STAFF MADE A GREAT PICK THAT WILL PAY OFF BIG CAN’T WAIT ……
by biggphinn4eva on Apr 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I AGREE with this second coming of ohio
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by finsxfactor on Apr 29, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense.
Henne was suppost to win 1st stringer in two years. Now Pat White is? I dunno.
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by Phinsguy99 on Apr 30, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If White is better
he deserves the job, but I just dont see it:>)
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by uncle finster on Apr 30, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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