Dolphins Day One Draft Wrap
I have to say that I'm very happy with how day one of the NFL Draft played our for the Dolphins. I know all of you who felt we neeed a true wide receiver at some point on day one might be disappointed. But like I've said, I didn't see wide receiver as a big need. And I'm glad the Dolphins addressed their secondary in a big way on Saturday. The additions of Vontae Davis and Sean Smith really help sure up a secondary that was looking pretty questionable heading into this weekend. And I know it's early to say this - but I couldn't help but think of "Pat Surtain/Sam Madison, version 2.0" when the Dolphins drafted both Davis and Smith. Davis will probably have the more immediate impact - especially since Smith isn't nearly as experienced at the corner position - but both are going to be, at the very least, very solid players.
So first let me highlight those two cornerback picks before we get into Pat White.
Davis, as we know, is a very talented player. Based on talent alone, he's easily a top 10 pick. But "character concerns" dropped his draft stock a bit. But Vontae doesn't see himself as a bad person:
"That is what people keep talking about. But everybody who knows Vontae, knows that I am a great person, a great player and Bill Parcells speaks louder than words and for him to draft me he knows what type of person I am."
Sure, he speaks in third person sometimes. But that's fine. I love his swagger. I love his confidence. Asked about the expectations for his rookie season, Vontae responded, "My expectation is to be the defensive player of the year in the National Football League."
General Manager Jeff Ireland had this to say following the selection of Davis:
"We got Vontae Davis from Illinois. A big corner. Explosive athlete. We feel real good about him. He fits the mold of what we like in corners. He's big. He's physical. He's fast. He can play either man or zone. He can play man off. He plays the run really well, and he's a good kid. We like the player very much. We feel like he can compete for a position right away."
But is he concerned with Vontae's "character questions"?
"I talked to a lot of people that know Vontae, specifically Ron Zook. Coach Zook and I were together with the Kansas City Chiefs. I know him pretty well and called coach Zook himself. He spoke very highly of the young man. Some of the things that he got in trouble with early in his career were not things that really bothered me. And they were when he was younger. He's a competitive kid. He's a gym rat and a good kid. I don't think we have to worry about any integrity problems there, so I felt very comfortable with it talking to the coaches there, and talking to the kid himself. I worked him out and had a nice visit with him. I feel like I know the kid pretty well. I don't have any problems with the kids character....For the 25th pick in the draft I feel like we're drafting a pretty good player. Again, I think you guys are making much to do about nothing."
Let's understand something. Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland did their homework on Vontae. And, clearly, they like him a lot. They had to in order to pass on players who were slightly less talented than Davis but who were probably "safer" picks in terms of character.
In terms of Sean Smith, Ireland said that while he isn't as experienced as Davis, he's still going to play early on:
“I wouldn’t say he’s more of a project, I would say he hasn’t played the position as long compared to (Vontae) Davis. His skill set is rare for his size. We have to do a good job of continuing to develop those skill sets. I think he will play, and I think he will play pretty early. He was picked a little later in the draft compared to Davis, so he has a little ways to go, but I think he will play pretty early.”
Ireland also made it a point to say that Smith will be a cornerback - not a safety, as some thought he might be in the NFL.
As far as Pat White, this selection created a big stir among Dolphin fans. But I think we all need to reserve judgment on the pick until we see how he's going to be used. I love the pick - honestly. I think he brings some amazing versatility and adds an element of surprise to Miami's offense.
Many wonder how White will be used right out of the gate. We know that Pat has said he wants to play quarterback. But he said he's willing to do whatever the coaches ask:
“I fit fairly well in the Wildcat. That might be my quickest way on the field.”
“I just want the opportunity to play. Do what coaches ask me to do.”
Meanwhile, Ireland said that he does envision White as a quarterback. But he'll also be used in other ways:
"Pat White has an unusual set of skills that can help us. He enhances our offense, and enhances how we'll play [on] offense. He has an unusual skill-set, whether he'll play quarterback, or whether he'll play another position. There will be a lot said about how we'll utilize him. I think we're creative enough as a coaching staff that he'll be able to enhance our offense in a multitude of ways. We're excited to have him and I'm excited to see what this young man can do not only as a quarterback, but in other ways."
Of course, we will talk much more about all of Miami's draft picks in the coming days and weeks.
One last thing. Let's end the Ronnie Broen trade talk. Said Ireland on Saturday about those Ronnie trade rumors:
“We can put them to bed. It’s funny, before the draft, you have a lot of people calling you, a lot of people calling you, and somehow those things take on a life of their own. I’ll give you an example: someone calls me and says ‘any players available by trade?,’ and I say ‘yeah, they are all available for a price.” Someone might have said ‘does that include Ronnie?,’ and I said ‘like I said, they are all available.’ I don’t know if someone took that and ran with it, but we are not looking to trade Ronnie Brown - you can write that.”
Good to hear!
Join us tomorrow beginning at 10 am eastern as round three gets underway.
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great day one. bittersweet.
I believe in John Beck and that Cbdolphin is the man. I'll make you proud LCFF
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by finsxfactor on Apr 26, 2009 2:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am happy with the draft
the only thing that stings in what we passed on to get Pat White. Clint Sintim and Connor Barwin were both next on my draft board. They went the next 2 picks at 45 and 46. I think drafting one of these two guys, or at least a guy at that position, would have been the best possible scenario. We would have solidified the corner postion for years and got a pass rusher of the future. If we believe that Henne is our guy of the future, like we have said in the media recently, I have a hard time drafting someone in the early second who is not going to be on the field but for a minimal amount of offensive plays.
by JakeLong77 on Apr 26, 2009 2:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im not sure. hes going to be that guy that is going to bring excitement, game-changing ability to the field...he is a special type of player that you want the ball in his hands...plus he can do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZuO4LgvMdk&NR=1
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by finsxfactor on Apr 26, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really LOL....
all the way to bed. You crack me up…. so does White for that matter.
by Alpha6 on Apr 26, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Pat White rocks. He must have been practicing for the wildcat.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
by SunDolphin on Apr 26, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how to feel about this draft.
I’m not happy or sad about it. Davis is solid and I trust the homework was done on his “character issues.” Pat White…I don’t know about that one. I’m still on the optimistic side.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Apr 26, 2009 3:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the Davis and Smith picks a lot.
Gonna have to take a wait-and-see on White.
Of course, with the Trifecta, the really interesting drafting takes place tomorrow.
by urbino on Apr 26, 2009 3:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I cant wait too see
Pat White on the field……..I will admit I was stunned and disappointed we picked him with the early 2nd pick but if this kid can play and gives us another option on Offense that may be explosive this could be fun……..I love the CB’s we picked up……big physical and fast and I cant wait to see Von blowing up WR and running backs in run support……I think we are not done at the positon of CB. Our secondary as it stands today will be a big mean fast bunch of hard hitting, punishing football players……I dont see anyone running on us and we have the size and speed to cover the randy moss’s and TO’s……..Were loading up to defend our division title………and i’m loving it…….
by jvw on Apr 26, 2009 3:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thoughts
I think that the dolphins did really well today. Gettiing Sean Smith will really help against Randy Moss & T.O…. we needed a taller corner to battle w/ those guys.
Also, Vontae should be a solid foundation of the secondary for years to come.
As far as Pat White, it wasnt my first choice at #44, but most of the guys I wanted were gone, and I saw him still available and said.. u know I wouldnt be too upset if they took him. He could really be a game changer in the wildcat. If they get him to play a little WR, they could put him on the field all the time and wont make the wildcat package obvious.
by YatilGinnJr on Apr 26, 2009 4:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I got almost what I wanted.
The pair of corners was fantastic – Smith at 61 is damn good…
When Laurinaitis and Ray Mau were available so close to our second pick, It would have loved to have seen us trade up to the mid thirties to get one of them.
Pat White feels Ted Ginn like to me. A big reach for a fancy spare-part of sorts.
by Braun Holio on Apr 26, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Certanally can't complain about the 2 cbs
with 3 fas next year and having only one 31 yr old starter at the position we solidified the position though I could see another being taken. As already stated considering what was still left on board White seems to have gone avout 30 to 35 places early BUT will reserve judgement. Day wasn’t a party for J. Allen and Beck that is for sure
25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC
by Blaze453 on Apr 26, 2009 6:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure it was a party for Allen and Beck...
er, a ‘going-away’ one that is!
by Natalya on Apr 26, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one talent evaluator I trust most
that isn’t working for some team is Mayock. After seeing how excited he and even Gruden were with the White pick I am much more relieved then when the pick was announced. If mayock’s excitement about White turns out to be justified day 1 could be a great day one
25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC
by Blaze453 on Apr 26, 2009 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More Ireland on Pat White
Do you envision Pat White as a potential NFL starter?
“Yes.”
Do you see him as a No. 1 or 2 receiver?
“I don’t think I’ve seen that yet. No”
Why take him in the second round?
“Again, we had him on our board where we’d select him. Again, he has an unusual set of skills that can help us. It’s going to open up our offense and we do feel very convicted about that. That’s where we had him on the board and that’s where we selected him.”
Winner of the 2009 Bill Parcells Award.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 26, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pieces of the puzzle
I don’t think we found any game changers on day one but we did pick up some solid pieces of the Parcell’s puzzle.
by bradleycsocal on Apr 26, 2009 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will probably be in the minority here...
but I think the phins missed a couple of opportunities. The last two superbowl champions should be providing a road map to success. That success is based on rushing the passer. Name the starting CB’s for the NY Giants in the 2008 Superbowl? How about the startering CB’s for Pittsburgh? But I bet everyone can name the pass rushers for both teams. I think Davis and Smith are solid picks if you have the pass rush figured out, but the phins don’t IMO. Their best pass rusher is old (Porter) and his back-up is unknown (Wake). The phins could have addressed this position with both the #25 and #44 picks and still got Smith at #61.
But I have a problem with another aspect of this draft. In a 3-4 defense, LB’s are the most important position. Look at the Steelers. Those 4 guys who start for them are all studs and so are the guys in Baltimore. Again, this is a copycat league and those are the teams we should be copying. Name one of the Phins LB’s that would start for either Baltimore or Pittsburgh? IMO, none would.
And now the phins have not drafted any LB’s with their top 6 picks in the last 2 drafts. This regime has yet to draft a LB. Hell, the miami dophins have not drafted a LB that has stayed with the team since Crowder (maybe Roth, but he was drafted as a DE). Maybe they will draft a couple today. Maybe the next JT is out there again in the 3rd round. If that is the case and they find the next JT, then I will shut up.
But the FO had an opportunity to draft LB’s with their 1st 2 picks that many of us did not believe that would be there for those picks. In a draft where all the experts say that there was a lot of depth at the rush LB position. Here is a what if, but the phins draft could have looked like this, all guys that many of us on this site have wished for: #25 Matthews, #44 Sintim, #61 Smith. IMO, that would have been the best of both worlds. It would address the LB situation and it would have landed a top flight CB.
by ct1361 on Apr 26, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This just shows that the FO is high on Wake and is thinking about bringing Taylor back
PLUS Parcells is very good at evaluating which three positions? O-Line, D-Line, and LBs. I guarentee we find a gem of a LB later today
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
by Rytackle on Apr 26, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope that Wake is the solution.
But you have to agree with me that he is a relative unknown at this time.
by ct1361 on Apr 26, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand your concerns over the picks....
And the selection of 2 cb’s + 1, um, multi-position player :) , leads me to think certain things…
1 – they must have a certain amount of confidence that cameron wake is going to be good
2 – they think they can get a good pass rusher here in day 2
3 – they think they have guys on the roster already who will improve and make our pass rush better
4 – they see the secondary as a much, MUCH bigger problem than the pass rush
What you mentioned about Porter particularly is of concern given his age and tailing off in the latter half of the season.
Still, we have what we have and if nothing else, our secondary should possess a great deal of upside.
by Natalya on Apr 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes nat
but where is the playmaker in the middle???
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 26, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you :)
However, I see Jason Allen as a much bigger worry than AA. Not that we can’t upgrade at ILB, but our corners – aside from Will Allen – are downright worrisome.
by Natalya on Apr 26, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comepletely agree
just for the record, the Fins currently have 11 LBs on their roster. I would think that maybe there are a couple of guys that they expect can be developed.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll take quality over
quantity… and of the 11 LB which ones really are projects… moses looks to be flaming out… anderson well he has a long way to go? CC maybe has maxed out as average and the rest? can you classify them as IILB projects?
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 26, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with everything
my friend…. although i would have gone ilb with#25….
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 26, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But who are you gonna take?
Laurinaitis and Maualuga are not any more of a playmaker than Channing Crowder- that guy just wasn’t there.
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by GatorPhan on Apr 26, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right about Rey
But all I know is that everytime I watched USC play last year, Maualuga was the best player on the field. And he might not be an every down ILB now, I think he could be in a couple of years.
by ct1361 on Apr 26, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't doubt he can be good-
but if Vontae Davis can start for us in September AND be good for years to come, and Rey Rey can be good in a few years, didn’t they make the right pick then?
Winner of the 2009 Bill Parcells Award.
Less Lonely Leader of the Percy Harvin Bandwagon.
by GatorPhan on Apr 26, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree with this
and he is/was a run stopping playmaker – something the fins don’t have … at least by anone not named roth…
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 26, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
i’m going to skip the whole could they have gotten them later issue and just say that i’m seriously geeked up about the pat white addition. the kid is a serious playmaker and likely will leap frog henne for playing time THIS year. the big play option will return to the wildcat and i suspect it will be used more frequently and white may even take PT away from the lame ducker too.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with rytackle....
I think they feel good about Wake, and this is a good sign for JT coming back.
One thing all three guys have in common coming into the league, is that they have a need to rpove themselves this season. All 3 seem to be good football players with a chip on their shoulder as they enter the NFL.
P.S. One starting corner for the Giants was Sam Madison.
P.S.S One starting corner for the Steelers was McFadden, who we wanted really bad.
P.S.S.S. The starting safety for the Giants was Gibril Wilson, who we wanted really bad and got.
by JGray on Apr 26, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome Draft
I’ve been reading this site for a while and have just got the chance to join and it really is the best fins site anywhere. You do a great job Matty.
I was very surprised with the Pat White pick, but the more I thought about the way he can be utilized then I got extremely excited. He has so much versatility and really brings a whole new dimension to not only the wildcat, but to our entire offense. It seems like we are set at the QB position for a long time. There is always the chance that he beats out Henne too. He’s a true athlete and a real class act. Every defensive coordinator that plays up this year is gonna be up late many a night.
With Davis and Smith, I love the picks. Not only will they be able to cover the receivers in our division, but if they end up excelling then we are set a CB for a long time as well. Our defense is immediately upgraded. I think if anyone is concerned about Davis’s character he went to the right team to keep him in check. Davis is probably the most talented corner in the draft and we got lucky that the saints ended up taking Jenkins. Todd Bowles certainly got some amazing pieces to work with and really make our pass defense elite.
Now if JT comes back then we will at least be set at OLB for a year and then take one in the first round next year. I could also see one being drafted later today. Even though I would have loved to have seen a pass rusher at 44, I think that Pat White will end up being an amazing player for us. I think the coaching staff really like what they have in Wake. I mean almost the entire NFL was trying to sign the guy so hopefully good things will come.
The position I am most worried about now is NT. If Ferguson goes down, then Soliai better step up. I think OLB and NT are our positions of focus in next year’s draft. I’m in the camp who thinks we aren’t in great need of a receiver at the moment. I think our receivers are going to surprise people this year. They are all young and they only should get better.
All in all, I think it was a very good draft, not as good as last year but I didn’t expect it to be. We shored up our biggest need and added a playmaker and a whole other dimension to our offense.
by lizard_king on Apr 26, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome Aboard...
Interesting comments – most of us agree that we need a (younger) upgrade/replacement for Ferguson. Oftentimes you can find nose tackles late, so let’s hope the FO uncovers one.
JT coming back? Hmmm, it could happen and that would, as you suggest, give us something at OLB. Not to mention the whole Cameron Wake angle. ANd maybe the FO views the Wake signing as almost equivalent to having drafted a pass rusher.
by Natalya on Apr 26, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty... JUST FOR THE RECORD
Pat White is listed as a QB/WR on the Fins official web site!!!
in spite of what Mr. Ireland says……
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cus he's going to be both
makes sense
by Matty I on Apr 26, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat White is the typical Boom or Bust draftee
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
by Patssuck456 on Apr 26, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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