Is wide receiver really the Dolphins' "most obvious weakness"?
by Matty I on Apr 22, 2009 12:30 PM EDT
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PrintThat's the question that I've been pondering for months now. And I still can't decide. Generally, though, I see the wide receiver position as a luxury - not a need. After all, the Patriots won three Super Bowls without a great receiver. In fact, in two of their three Championship seasons, they didn't even have a 1,000 yard receiver. But the last four Super Bowls were won by teams that do have at least one true #1 receiver (Steelers, Giants, and Colts). So I guess there are multiple ways to win championships.
But back to the question at hand, KC Joyner made his feelings known last week when he pointed out that WR was not Miami's greatest need. But since then, both Todd McShay and Mel Kiper have come out and said that they feel the Dolphins should take a receiver with their 25th pick. But the one statement I really question was written on Tuesday by the Miami Herald's Greg Cote. He says:
An NFL team might count itself lucky when its most obvious weakness and an upcoming draft's bounteous strength are the same. That is, the intersection of Opportunity & Need, and a team is wise to obey the signs and stop there. It means stars have aligned to assure that team of mortaring a major roster hole with major talent -- even if that team is selecting only (using a totally random number), say, 25th
Into the Dolphins' lap such a situation falls in this NFL Draft, and it means the biggest hazard facing them in Saturday's first round is overthinking their selection. Squinting so hard you don't see what's right in front of you.
This is the team to pick a wide receiver.
This is the time to pick a wide receiver.
The name of the pass-catcher to be chosen certainly is open to debate because Miami figures to have its choice of as many as four guys who are judged first-round in talent. But there shouldn't be much debate that wideout needs to be the position the Bill Parcells brain trust is homing in on come early Saturday evening.
Really? Receiver is this team's "most obvious weakness"? Am I missing something, or is one of our starting cornerbacks currently Eric Green or Jason Allen? How can you call the WR position the team's "most obvious weakness" when you have the same receivers returning that were here last year and contributed on an 11-5 division winning team? Sure - they could use an upgrade. But the Dolphins lost one of their starting corners in free agency - the CB who was arguably the team's best in 2008.
I'm sorry, Mr. Cote, but there's just no freakin' way that wide receiver is the "most obvious weakness" of this team. And there's certainly no way that there "shouldn't be much debate that wideout needs to be the position" that they target with the 25th pick. No, sir. This decision is far from clear-cut. And pretending that it is as cut and dry as you want your readers to believe is just plain wrong.
But after all these months and all this debate, I think I'm just going to enjoy draft day. After all, Jim Mandich said it best:
This much I do know -- unlike some of the idiots in the past that were drafting for us, I have great confidence in the Bill Parcells' team. In Parcells I trust. Look at last year's draft. They hit on nearly every pick. An awesome draft! And sunday afternoon we are going to know this at the end of the day, the Miami Dolphins are going to be a better football team.
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Greg Cote does not know what he is talking about. Parcells and company is going to draft the best player available on their draft board. Hopefully that is a cornerback and if not I think that they will draft a pass rusher first.
I truly believe that
despite the endless talks of which WR we’re going to draft, or if CB x is going to land at our pick or not, we’re still going to take a pass-rushing LB with that 25th pick.
I don’t know. Just a feeling.
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by Dave.Phuller on Apr 22, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
remove the k and add an o in the middle and that is what you are.
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remove the k and add an o in the middle and that is what you are.
it’s newb not noob – and if it is noob its n00b. and that is what you are ;)
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
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hahahaha – that’s great
The rest of you go get the goods on Stan. His mom grounded him once for setting something on fire. Let's find out what that something was and then lie and say it was a puppy.
by J2 on Apr 22, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
well said!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 22, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
dont mess lcff we all know you = the super n00blet nubinator
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Do as I say, not as I do...
…McShay has the Dolphins taking Vontae Davis in the latest version of his Mock Draft.
I think we are going to be very surprised by a pick by the Dolphins in the first 2 or 3 rounds, either with them picking an out of leftfield position, i.e. a RB, or a player will drop and they will go up and get him, i.e. Laurinaitus with the first pick in the 2nd round.
1. Vontae Davis
2a. James Laurinaitis
2b. Brian Robiskie
3. Duke Robinson
No way we take 'Diva Davis' anywhere in the draft
Butler Brace Barwin & Barden: 4Bs or not 4Bs, that is da Q
replace vontae with britt and robiskie with sean smith and lets roll?
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I'm trying to avoid saying that we have to pick...
one player (or position) over another as obviously only Parcells & Co. know how they will select.
Is CB the biggest need? Is receiver? We can argue it all day long.
One thing is for certain though, that having a top corner OR receiver would be a good upgrade for this team.
Ideally, the draft is about improving your team and filling needs so I’m confident that the front office is going to pick some players that will provide said upgrades, whether at corner or receiver or both.
way ta straddle the fence there Nat.
;-)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 22, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i head shes good at that....but not just fences...
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you should change your sig
because you have zero class, whatsoever.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 22, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
lol im not comin to live threads if we pass on britt --> 20 f'bombs= ban lol. so its a no go for me
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hey V5, you know what would be funny?
watch him get all wound up arguing with someone in the draft thread….
and then banning him before he gets a chance to have his say…..
now THAT would be funny.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
o i see how it is lefty...
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im sorry i let you down
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i apologize nat i was just joking.
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obviously, someone needs to explain to you what a "joke" is
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
lol can you do the honors?
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I'd be delighted
Maybe by way of example would work best:
Let’s say someone tells you to page them, but they give you the phone number to a phone sex line… You call it. That’s a joke.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 24, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL dude thats classic now
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LOL
i’m proud of you for being a good sport about it.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 24, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
lol i am now...before haha dude i was SOOOO pissed
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lol cmon guys there have been much more crude jokes here and i was just jokin with no mal-intent
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First off, it was crude.
Secondly, it wasn’t remotely funny. It was the kind of thing a pubescent boy says to a girl that rejected him as a “joke”.
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lol alright guys
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by finsxfactor on Apr 23, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i guess..
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by finsxfactor on Apr 23, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Robiskie
is the exact type of player that Parcells like to have on his team. Smart, fast, runs good routes and comes from a football pedigree. mark my words, this guy is drafted in round two by us for sure. after we take a corner or pass rusher in the first round.
This is worse then politics..
I am seeing the same I KNOW BEST out of everyone. Fact, the 08/09 phins gave up ALLOT of big plays last year. I think that big plays against them made up at least 1/3 or the yards against us if not more. On the other hand, how many BIG PLAYS did we make on offence? I saw a few here and there (noodle arm? cmon, he can make a good chuck once in a while he has shown it) but do you NEED big plays on offence? Obviously its nice to have them, however we went 11-5 without them. I feel if the receiving core is as it was last year then it is in ok shape. Again this is my opinion. I do not pretend to know it all. I know we could use some upgrades as our offence was a bit behind many others, however I still believe a great defence wins in this game.
Getting Defensive!!
I can promise you that Bill & co. will take a defensive player, either DE or LB, with the 25th pick. We had zero pass rush for long stretches in a lot of games last season.
Yeha, I for one, I Parcells think Ron Brace could be an elite NT for the future
I’d take him ASAP. NT is the most important position in this defense. We all saw what happened last year when Ferguson went down for just one game. God forbid it had been 3 or 4. So get one, not only to develop for the future, but in case we need him now.
I hate when somebody brings up the game Ferguson was down,
but fails to mention that Ferguson’s backup, Soliai, was also out of the game due to suspension. That’s a pretty crucial piece of information.
Anyway, I still agree that we need a NT on Day 1. I like Sammie Hill.
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He was drafted by Cam Cam and is not even a true NT
Jason Brown would have had a day in the park with him too
Regardless of your personal feelings of the man,
he was the backup NT and he was out.
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Better value at reciever than corner?
While I would stop short of saying that the WR is the most obvious position of need, I would still say it is a need. Particularly a good red-zone threat.
Yes, corner is probably a bigger need but will get the same value for our pick at 25 if we take a corner versus a receiver. The consensus is that only Jenkins and Davis are first round worthy. Maybe we get better value by taking a corner in round two.
My guess is that we will take the best player available regardless of need with the first round pick.
#13
Very good post.
Its all about value, not need. In Britt’s case when will we have another chance to take a 6’3" 225 lbs beast with his skills, as oppossed to finding a 5’11" corner who is above average?
I’m excited about this draft not because of any particular player but because the talent level on the team overall.
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It is more about value than need and this past off-season has shown that..The FO had a value for all of our free agents and they would not break from there value of the player.. One example is by not franchising Vernon Carey, even though he was the most coveted RT in free agency..The FO felt like his value did not deserve a franchise tag and did not give him one..And the same can be said for Yeremiah Bell.. Great write-up
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Greg Cote literally...
works for the Phinz. Nice smokescreen Greg. On message bro.
Butler Brace Barwin & Barden: 4Bs or not 4Bs, that is da Q
your biggest need
is defense. BPA on that side of he ball will be atleast 6 of the 9 selections
25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC
I thought we established
(long ago) that CB would be the pick. Why, oh why would we be second guessing now?
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hold one second
i read the article by cote, and i took it as we would get a better value with a reciever at 25 then we would a CB. and that there would be better bargains at 44 for a CB. rather than reaching for 2nd round talent at CB with the 25 pick
Nope
Any NFL Draft expert who predicts that the Dolphins are talking a WR at #25 is being naive.
Look, this team needs a #1 WR, if Ireland and Tuna don’t think that Kenny Britt or Hakeem Nicks is that guy, they’ll wait until the later rounds and everything I’ve read says that that’s exactly what’s going to happen.
Don’t tell me this team needs a big, tall homerun threat for 2009, because he won’t be utilized anyway.
People thought WR
was our biggest need last year too, and what happened?
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Uh
I think the concensus opinion was that we’d take either Chris or Jake Long.
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by Patssuck456 on Apr 22, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry a "big" need.
0 receivers drafted. Just like this year.
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well
last year the WR class was very weak
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
I think it had more to do with
our other needs, especially in the trenches, than it did with the talent level of the WR’s. We needed OL and DL more than anything, and we spent 6 picks just there. I also believe that we thought we had our big playmaking WR when we signed Ernest Wilford. We still didn’t know he was gonna drop the biggest egg known to man.
This year we still have needs, but many of them are skill position needs, and I think WR is one of them. We didn’t get one in FA, and we haven’t been players in the supposedly wide open WR trading market, so I think we’ll end up drafting one. Whether it’s a stud at 25 or 44, or a developmental guy on day 2, I’m not sure, but I definitely think we’ll take one.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It's possible we'll take one,
not first obvoiusly, but with all of the supposed talent in this WR class, don’t you think there’s going to be another find like Bess in the late rounds or in UDFA?
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I think with the emergence of Bess and of Welker as of late
I think teams are gonna pay a little more attention at the end of rounds for those types of guys. I think the talent at the WR position is early anyway, with the late-first round guys possibly being the best of the class (Nicks/Britt/Harvin). But there is guys we can find all over the draft, and I don’t think I’d be disappointed adding defense and OL on day 1, then getting a Patrick Turner or Marko Mitchell or guys of that ilk on day 2.
Personally, I’d LOVE to find another Davone Bess UDFA, but I think we’ll have better luck taking one of the early guys and looking for an ILB and some OL depth later in the draft.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
PS.
Thank you for the logical and intelligent response. Lately, I’ve found talking about WRs in the draft usually draws emotionally driven responses.
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I agree.
beside, Parcells has not had a very good track record drafting WRs high. I hope they take a CB. you can hardly pick up a decent one via FA nowadays, without breaking your cap.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
D is the NEED
Dont get me wrong i would love to have Nicks or Britt more Nicks though i just seem him as more of an deep threat and turning a small catch to a big gain he seems so powerfull and never goes down on first contact but i thank CB/CB is the most important need is our O was ok and it will get better our O line is much improved and i thank that London will be much improved and will be a factor for us and could be a red zone threat he is 6’4 and our running backs will be better and CP will have another year in your Offense so thats why i say go D any way
we are actually not too bad of a team put together
we need a corner and some young DL and LB’s to replace the old guys
our offense is set because we have a Qb in the wings, a GOOD receiving corps, a good RB tandem, and an OL that keeps getting better and better
seriously
Am I missing something, or is one of our starting cornerbacks currently Eric Green or Jason Allen?
J allen – is a first round pick and has the physical talent to be a GREAT cb in the league, but he has been seriously misused so far… and lets not blow go crazy here but he was pretty dang good against lee evans and Brandon Marshall or at least good enough that the brain trust left him one on one with randy moss…. well who the heck leaves anyone one on one with r moss…
no i’m not saying that the team should draft a CB or two, since it’s possible i just might be a little gay and rosy eyed about the quality of mssr allen’s play, but to suggest that there is only one obvious need on the team is a little hmmm…. unrealistic…
this team needs serious help for the long term at LB, TE, RB, and the d-line, in addition to the secondary and wr positions…
so while Cote may be the perfect straw man, i think its best to keep things in perspective when BP was telling people last year that he hoped to compete with this team in 2010…. and that sounds about right… 2 more good drafts before the holes created by the prior admins are filled.
well said. I have not counted him out yet, but drafting another corner
would really have us set for the future if JA does come around, ja know?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
We will get at least one corner this draft,
since we need another young one to grow under Will Allen before he’s gone. Whether we take him early or late depends upon the FO’s opinion of Jason Allen, and it appears that they are pretty high on him. Case in point, assigning him to cover Moss one on one. In my opinion (naturally), 56 is the earliest we take a CB unless Jason Allen’s injury has raised concerns about his durability.
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I don't think Jason Allen should restrict us from taking a CB early
because even if he does end up being a quality corner, I’d be excited to pair him up with a guy like Darius Butler or Sean Smith or Macho Harris once Will Allen moves on. Nothing is stopping us from having 2 good CB’s, and I would argue the most success we’ve on defense in the past 20 years has been when we had Surtain and Madison patrolling the secondary. It’s a luxury to have 2 good ones, but it’s also a possibility, especially if Jason Allen can improve and become a solid CB.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 23, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
i think we need to take one early and have a couple of candidates to develop into a solid #1, instead of putting all of our eggs in one basket. If we get lucky and we draft a guy AND JA develops, then we can let W. Allen go next year.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 24, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
didn’t mean to imply that they SHOULDN"T draft a corner, I just feel that there are other needs on the team that are just as important…
ILB – would be a high one on my list.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 24, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
doh!!
have to proof these things before i post….
but that should read “SHOULDN’T”
no i’m not saying that the team should draft a CB or two
and you also said "lets not blow go"
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Hey Now
that kind talk will get you banned round here.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 23, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
lol you said it i was just quoting hahaha
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so you excited for draft day bud?
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he's allowed to say that
don’t you know he’s gay? or haven’t you been paying attention.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 23, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
lol ive been gone too long i guess
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yeah -
some how being merrily in love is an offense around here, but posters calling me every other name in the book is ok because i don’t like the Lame Ducker at QB.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 23, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
no no
beck might be traded – but there is only one QB whose term ends after this year…
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 24, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
well, unless they decide to re-sign him to a multi-year deal
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 24, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hope not unless its for a backup role lol
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after his act in NY
would you really want him underminning backing up a young QB?
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 24, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
lol as long as beck or henne is playing whats the worse cp can do?
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by finsxfactor on Apr 24, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
even then
he’ll still be the lame ducker… it just won’t be as funny.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 24, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
J.Allen
iam with ya i was some wat impressed wit him he had a pick for us in the broncos game also and did good one on ones for the most part and thats hard to do but another year at cb finally for him since he has been moved around so much if we dont get a CB High that could start i thank J.allen will take the other spot over Green JMO though
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