Weekend Roundup: Talking Anquan Boldin, Ronnie Brown & the draft
It's hard to believe because it feels like draft day will never come - but by this time next week, we will all know the Miami Dolphins 2009 draft class. But being within a week of the NFL Draft means that this next week will probably go by at a snail's pace.
Anyways, here's some of the news from this past weekend.
SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 'PARCELLS METHOD'
You would think that - by now - more people would understand how Bill Parcells does business. But even those who get paid to cover the team just don't fully get it. My example? The Palm Beach Post's Dave George and his latest column. In it, he writes that the Dolphins need to be "bold" and go after Cardinals' wide receiver Anquan Boldin. But that's not what I want to call into question. After all, the "AQ debate" is something we've talked about a lot here. Instead, it's his reasoning that just doesn't make any sense. Writes George:
OK, South Florida football nuts, this is exactly what you wanted. It's first-and-10 again in the fully refreshed story of the Miami Dolphins, defending AFC East champions. But, wait, that schedule they put out the other day is the toughest in the league. That's sure to set the Fish back a bit in 2009. Better call it first-and-15 instead.
There's a small problem, too, with all that exciting speculation about Chad Henne finally getting a chance to play some this season. The kid's got a great arm and the toughness to lead, but who is he going to partner with downfield? Not to be an alarmist, but it's starting to look a little too much like third-and-long around here again, at least in the short term. And what does any team need on third-and long? A proven Pro Bowl receiver. So let me get this straight. This guy is actually suggesting that Bill Parcells should go make a play and trade what will likely be at least a 1st and 3rd round pick for a wide receiver because the Dolphins have a tough schedule in 2009? One of the game's best team builders is supposed to deviate from his plan because the Dolphins play the AFC and NFC South divisions in 2009? What if the Dolphins an easier schedule? I guess they wouldn't need Boldin, right? George also points out that Boldin would provide Chad Henne with a "partner" down the field. Call me crazy, but isn't that what Ted Ginn is here to do? Boldin isn't even a "downfield" threat as much as he is an "underneath, move the chains" kind of player. But to the writer's credit, I think he hits on the main reason reason why so many Dolphin fans are probably in favor of trading for the star receiver:
Bottom line, the AFC East is in for some big changes in 2009. Tom Brady is back in New England, with Fred Taylor at the ready. Terrell Owens is in Buffalo and, for the moment, ready to work. The Jets missed out on Jay Cutler, but new coach Rex Ryan brought along Bart Scott, a defensive monster, from Baltimore. Makes me itchy for a big splash in Miami, and eager to see a happy ending for one of the greatest athletes ever to come out of Palm Beach County. Sure - the Dolphins haven't made any big splashes this offseason. But we all should have expected that. This is just how Parcells builds his teams. And adding a soon-to-be 29 year old receiver who has missed 16 games in his 6 year career - including 8 games over the past 2 years - and who may have a "chronic hip condition" just was never in Bill's plans. And trading away at least a 1st round pick and 3rd round pick for a player who plays a position that Bill calls "a dime a dozen" just isn't likely.
TRADE RONNIE BROWN? NOT A CHANCE
I know it's being talked about in this fanpost, but I still wanted to quickly highlight it.
All of this "Ronnie Brown trade talk" is stemming from a post by Michael Lombardi, who writes:
For the right price, I hear (and I emphasize hear) the Dolphins might be interested in discussing a trade involving starting running back Ronnie Brown if a team calls and expresses an interest.
Immediately, two things jump out here. First off - this should not come as a shock. Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland believe that everybody is available "for the right price." If I recall correctly, I think Ireland has even said that publicly in the past. So this really isn't a surprise, people. Lombardi is just stating a fact that most Dolphin fans already know - every player on their roster is available if the price is right.
Secondly, what exactly is the "right price"? That's the question that you logicially ask yourself. And please don't compare this situation to those of Edgerrin James and Shaun Alexander. Those were backs who were over the hill and had an exceptionally high number of carries. Brown, on the other hand, is just entering his prime now (he's only 27) and doesn't even have 800 carries on his body.
To answer my question, I'd take nothing less than a first round pick for Ronnie. Sure, it seems like good running backs are easily uncovered. But not great all-around backs - which is what Ronnie is. Yes, I said he's great. Deal with it.
I think Football Outsider's Bill Barnwell said it best. He believes that "Ronnie Brown on the Vikings would win NFL MVP." What does that mean? It means get an offensive line that can block like beasts and feed Ronnie the ball. Oh - and by the way - the Dolphins now might have a line that can just maul people in the running game.
Also, as far as that idea that good backs are easily found, I'd suggest asking a Lions fan about that. Their team has had a 1,000 yard back just once in the past 6 years. Or ask a Cardinals fan - whose team went 7 years without a 1,000 yard back before Edgerrin James topped the mark in 2006. Of course, James needed 337 carries and averaged only 3.4 yards per carry.
I also seem to recall a certain South Florida franchise that went what seemed like forever without any kind of marginally decent running back and failed to win a Super Bowl during that time despite having the greatest quarterback of all time under center.
So no - you can't just easily find a running back. And, personally, it would be hard to find a back who has more physical talent than Ronnie Brown. He just needs a good offensive line and to be fed the ball play after play.
QUICK HITS
-Some national "draft experts" just don't have a clue. Pat Kirwan's latest mock has the Dolphins drafting Hakeem Nicks, Ron Brace, and Fili Moala in the first two rounds. Let me tell you something - if the Dolphins don't end day one with at least one linebacker or cornerback, you will never hear from me and my big mouth again.
-Finally something I agree on with Armando Salguero. He writes that he thinks the Dolphins will go defense in round one.
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that and the sun article
from Omar???
about players on the phins trade list and RB was at the top IIRC.
dang i forgot to add in my the quote box (which i'll do here)
All of this “Ronnie Brown trade talk” is stemming from a post by Michael Lombardi who writes:
that everyone always says that makes me such a gay and cheery poster.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 20, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, we have been discussing it around here before i saw any articles about it.
maybe omar copied the idea from us?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i know
we’ve been discussing it since last year before the draft….
everyone knows RB’s and pretty good ones can be had on the open market pretty cheap and BP has a strong fondness for vets who are trying to make that one last push….
so i do think there is some validity that they would like to get cheaper at RB… but i also think they like RB to an extent.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 20, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he is a happy
chap, now isn’t he?
maybe omar copied the idea from us?
him and all his mancrushes…..
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 20, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
huh?
whachu talkin bout willis?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 21, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not allowed to say
i’d LOVE to let you know
but making a joke about mancrushes is just a little too edgy for some people round here and you can get banned….
so i’m just going to mind my p’s and q’s and live happily in a GAY state of bliss until saturday night around 8:30 when i’ll get home from a nice dinner party and see what the talking heads are blathering.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 21, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
u cant win what u dont put in.....
like others teams garbage and and washed up verterns wr’s is what we need is bs…. well never have the guts to pull the trigger on a big name wr in miami…wut a shame….
Actually....
It seems that this franchise has never had the guts to just keep their draft picks and groom their own players. It’s always seemed that the front office felt drafting players took to long and went after everyone elses players. AJ Feely, Daunte Culpepper, Lamar Gordon, Marty Booker, Ricky Williams, etc…
its all opinion...
if u think wr’s like london or hixon from the giants will win you a super bowl than thats fine. I think both those players are garbage.
every other team in the afc east got better this offseason…….did we?
by CaliPhinsFan on Apr 20, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Please
I don’t want to get better for just next year, I want to be better for the next 10 years and you don’t do that by giving away two draft picks for one player. We did that all through the early 2000’s and it got us NOWHERE! Do the Pats do these types of deals? Do the Steelers do these types of deals? Do the colts do these types of deals? Do the Chargers do these types of deals? Do the Giants do these types of deals?
London is garbage?
You’re part of the minority there buddy. Besides, garbage is an undefined term. Is he garbage because of the stats he put up last season? Is he garbage because you’ve yet to see his potential? I don’t think, what was it, ten? NFL teams missing out on the chance to grab him because our waiver priority was higher translates to this kid being garbage.
And by the way, the Jets got better? They won’t be “better” until they have a plan in place for quarterback. The Bills with TO and a couple of first round draft picks are still the Bills, and to answer your question, yes, we’ve already gotten a lot better.
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah cali, b-london is not garbage or anything close to that
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by el presidente 00 on Apr 20, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
keep the picks
Parcells and Ireland knows what they’re doing
even the questionable call of signing Jake Grove is seeming to make more sense
and Anquan is a whiner, he’ll want us to pay him 20 mil a year or else he’ll moan and pout
Just another example
of the Trifecta, maybe talking about an issue…….in this case Ronnie Brown, to stir up any possible scenarios where a trade might work in our benefit. Maybe the whole point of this is to gauge interest in Ricky Williams. The masterminds are at work for us gentlemen…..just have faith!
I would be perfectly happy with Kirwan's mock
that is a great first 3 picks especially the DE from USC. I really hope we somehow get macho harris though it would just make our defense stronger in my opinion
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by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 20, 2009 1:15 AM EDT reply actions
and i disagree with the characterization that Q is a "move the chains" guy...
he is not a speed threat, but the guy scores TDs. however the point is taken that he is the not necessarily the “stretch the field” guy for Henne. I also don’t think you can say he would “cost a 1st and 3rd” with any sort of authority. Yes, Roy Williams, Roy williams, heard it. But as I have pointed out many times, Q comes with a contract dispute, Az could keep him and not pay him, but that would be a distraction for a SB contender that they are not likely to want to deal with. And they seem comfortable with the other WRs on the roster, like Breaston, so the fact it that Az will almost certainly be in the position of needing to let him go somewhere. And any team that trades for him will have to work out a contract first in principle. That and his age, and if you want to throw in the injury argument that was just made above, well it is entirely possible that they will let him go for something much less than the Roy Williams trade.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions
Agree with your description of AQ
He may catch a lot of passes that are less than 20 yards from the line of scrimmage, but he takes an awful lot of those to the house – as in, all the way. He’s not a strict move the chains kind of guy, ala TJ Housh…
THe contract part you bring up is also relevant and a team has to be willing to pay a good sized salary to land him. Well that and the draft picks needed to get him in the first place, which I think for Miami, is a bit too steep.
I agree with you and LCFF
Boldin is the perfect complement to Ginn. Boldin runs the tough routes and has the ability, like you said above, to take those short and intermediate passes to the house. Ginn, with his speed, can stretch the field and be a home run threat.
I know that this isn’t an apples to apples comparison, but Boldin / Ginn together would be a watered down version of Rice / Taylor from the great 49er teams. (I am not saying that Boldin and Ginn are as good as Rice and Taylor, I am just suggesting that the roles would be the same) Boldin / Rice makes the tough catches, can run any route, and can turn any play into a TD even though both are considered “slow”, Ginn / Taylor can stretch the field with their speed, making it easier for the other WR to work the short and intermediate routes.
i agree that, in the end, the price is too steep for us
but for a team with some cap room and are a player or two away, i think they can probably get Az to go for less than a 1st and 3rd.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
makes no sense
Nicks ur ok with at #1…..because he “might” be the next Boldin.
but for the real thing proven…tough….hometown stud….u wont give up another 3rd?
immitation……or real thing?
i take the sure thing.
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what are you talking about?
who said I was okay with Nicks as a #1? that’s just incorrect.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
i think we should draft a CB at #1.
i would be disappointed if we chose any WR at #1.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
How about that 1998 Draft...
….when we (should) could have had Randy Moss in round 1 and we picked Patrick Surtain in round 2, at #44 coincidentally. :)
That would make me happy.
ding ding ding
and to bring it cull circle….WE SIGN SURTAIN!!
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Good write up Matty
Completly Agree about the Ronnie Minisota argument
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
Easy-to-tough Schedule
One of the game’s best team builders is supposed to deviate from his plan because the Dolphins play the AFC and NFC South divisions in 2009?
It’s easy to say this is grounds for the writer being wrong, as you do. I don’t. He has a very valid point that upgrades would help keep the momentum from last season. Most likely we will not reach the 11 game win total but nearing it by 2-3 games is a big deal for a team that played weak talent 1 years ago to strong talent this year. If they think AQ can help us get one or 2 extra wins then that’s fine. I’d prefer it if he were talking about a CB though which is the most pressing, obvious position when it comes to the stronger WR positions of the teams we play this year.
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Sure,
but refer back to Matty’s point: do we sit there and NOT make a big splash if the schedule is similar to last year’s, solely because it’s a weaker schedule than the one we have this year? That’s a terrible argument to make; how do you just give up valuable Parcells picks like that on the mere basis of our having a tough schedule THIS year?
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 20, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
iyt wouldnt make sense to trade Ronnie Brown
when we spent all that money on O Lineman.
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
Ricky Williams.
Patrick Cobbs. Lex Hilliard.
It actually makes a lot of sense if they can get two early draft picks for him, but I’d prefer to keep him.
I think everyone...including I....get bored as shit around this time....
so people start talking crazy…..I for one cant take it. So i wont talk about the dumbest thing we could do right now….trade Ronnie Brown. We arent the Browns…we dont need to trade a #2 overall pic just cuz.
I disagree with you on Boldin Matty…..he is well worth a 1st and 3rd…and some garbage pick at the end of 2010. Youll have ur #1 WR for the next 5-7 years easy….and he’ll hit the ground running unlike most of these rookies. If you would be ok with taking Nicks or any of these other guys with ur 1st rd pick…then your telling me upgrading to Boldin isnt worth a 3rd round pick….and if thats how you or anyon else values Boldin compared to a rookie we disagree. People are worried about his hip now? He broke his face and missed just a few games.
We have 2 2nd’s…ur telling me in the 1st 3 rounds if you profit Anquan and 2 2nd round corners ur not happy? LB can wait we all know that…i think thats a BS need.
We WILL NEVER trade for him….and its a mistake if thats the asking price.
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Well Said Rzayo!!
If you are committed to a day one draft pick for a WR, you would be foolish not to give up a #1 and a #3 for Boldin, IMO. The hit / miss rate for a drafted WR is huge on the side of miss. Also, for those who think he can’t be a number one and that his success is the result of Fitzgerald on the other side, here is his rookie stat line w/o Fitzgerald and Jeff Blake as his main QB: 101 rec, 1377 yds, 8 td. Those are #1 receiver numbers.
thanks....
people can disagree….but if i run a team I take Boldin and u can have the 2 rookies..
as a side note Boldin EVEN STARTED a few games at QB while at FSU…so if u want Pat White QB Wildcat …..u got that
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the asking price can likely be talked down a bit
I also like Q, but i am not sure 5-7 years is fair. 7 years would make him, what?, like 35? I think if you trade for him you count on him for about 4 yrs, and you start looking for his future replacement in about 2. I also agree with you about the injury concern. He is one tough SOB.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
4 years?
I dunno bout gestimating his career length….but he is young still…..and his best football is ahead of him ill tell you that.
35 is very realistic by the way…how old is Holt? Harrison? id say when he gets to that age hell be like them….needing that last year contract..but thats a while away.
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holt is 32
Harrison is 36 and sucked last year. His past two years sucked. Add them together and he has 80 catches for 983 yds and 6 TDs. He started to suck at age 34.
4 yrs, maybe 5 for Q is about right.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
ok....lets say the 5
i believe 6 or 7 years for Boldin in the NFL is more realistic..but we will say 5.
thats 5 years…no developing..no “3rd year breakout”..thats 5 years of pro bowl shit…not 1 ok rookie season…ewwwww hes gonna be a good one….then we wait and wait for that “maybe” pro bowl wr to get to that level…
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i am not disagreeing with you
but if i was negotiating a trade to acquire him, i would make it a point to bring up his age.
I also think that the next 4 years would be where we would need him the most. it would:
1) help the rest of the offense develop (running game, other WRs)
2) help in the transition from CP to CH
3) and give us some breathing room to “grow our own” – i mean we can keep using lower draft picks on “project WRs” and see what we can find.
Now all of this is a moot point is one of the guys already on our squad is ready to step up. London could be a very physical WR. Armstrong has speed, but is scrawnier than Ginn. And I am not expecting much from Wilford. I still expect us to draft a WR in rds 2 or 3.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Anquan Boldin
will not be much better than our corps of receivers. He’s going to catch the floaters and get creamed at the point of reception just like everybody who caught the ball last year. We have a phenomenal receiving corps that isn’t flashy, and considering “noodle boy” is throwing to them, they aren’t going to be able to put up the numbers that they are capable of.
dear god....
we have a phenomenal reciving corps
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have u lost ur marbles?
Boldin is Ginn + Camarillo + Bess combined….maybe you missed the Cards game last year. Boldin cockslapped us. He aint no average Joe buddy….
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The Cards game?
Are you really looking at the game 2 of the initial rebuilding season, where our secondary performed like retarded kittens, as proof that Anquan is a necessary commodity? How does that even remotely disparage our own receiving corps considering Kurt Warner has a cannon and the Cards had a better secondary than we did at that point?
My point is...............
ur WRONG when you say Boldin isnt much better than what we got…UR DEAD WRONG. if you disagree thats fine…as long as I know im right lol..
if u DO DISAGREE
go pull up the number of our entire recieving corps combined….then gimme Boldins alone.
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Boldin had KURT WARNER
throwing to him. Look at Davone Bess’ ROOKIE NUMBERS compared to Boldin’s. Don’t forget, Davone Bess only started 6 games.
Ted Ginn will be killing it when he has a QB that doesn’t have to float the ball. Greg Camarillo will be getting more YAC when the ball comes like a bullet. They will have more red zone TDs when the QBs passes don’t take so long to reach their target. I know it’s a hard pill to swallow, but Chad Pennington is the weak link in our receiving corps, not the receivers.
lol do YOU REALLY
want me to go back and look at Boldin’s # compared to Bess?
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his point is valid
Ginn’s value is decreased with CP throwing the ball. Also, guys like Bess who have quick moves can take advantage of quick outs because the ball is late getting there. Our WRs will be better with a strong running game, and a QB who can make those throws.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
k u guys are serious homers thats all........
but thats ok….
all i was initally saying is…
IF U LIKE NICKS OR FRIGGIN KENNY BRITT AT #25….THEN WHY THE EFF WOULDNT YOU GIVE UP THE 3RD ROUND PICK EXTRA FOR ANQUAN BOLDIN?
if you think ur right when u say our wrs are fantastic….then we are done talking and disagree.
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and like *I* said before, I *DON'T* like *ANY* WR at #25.
so why do you keep saying that? It makes no sense.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry i didnt check ur bio.....
didnt know u felt that way. lol
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But I don't want a WR in round 1
I want defense. Give me corners and linebackers. I don’t think we NEED a reciver – whether it’s Boldin or a rookie.
And I don’t want to surrender any picks for a receiver. We need defensive help.
Matty, just to create the hypothetical situation...
if you HAD to choose between a rookie WR at #25 OR Boldin for that #1 + a #3, which would you take?
neither
Defense wins Championships. Not flashy receivers.
Think about Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Steve Smith, and guys like them. How many titles do they have?
one more thing
I’m not saying Boldin isn’t a GREAT receiver. He is. And if the Dolphins traded for him, I’d go buy his jersey this second.
But I just don’t think we NEED a WR that bad.
Not to mention how much cap space he would eat up.
Not biting eh? :)
Well the consensus seems to be that we’ll go defense in round 1, although obviously that remains to be seen.
More importantly, I think we’d agree that this regime isn’t likely to make that sort of trade for the WR position.
And yes, #81 Boldin in aqua and orange would look good. Something tells me though he’ll be in different colors next year, like maybe Blue…
I think.......
Edwards goes to the Giants…on draft day or late this week.
and Boldin eventually goes to the Eagles. They have a zillion dollars and have already started using it in trades. McNabb pees his pants with a Boldin…and sign a new contract asap.
Harrison is gonna retire i heard….Holt to the Jags
this has been a RIZZFLASH!
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AKA FUTURE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUTURE MAN IN THE OFFSEASON PEOPLE!!!
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got to admit i agree with future man here
Edwards to Giants and Boldin to Eagles…..i’m buying that theory.
yea itll happen
and it makes sense….
only problem is do the Eagles trade away BOTH 1st rd picks? thats tough to do….especially when u just wasted one on a bad LT
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We might not "NEED" a WR...
but if we can get a surefire ProBowl #1 WR for our 1st rd pick….thats a no lose.
the key to me is we have 2 2nd’s………that gets u two of the top 56 players….or 2 of the top 15 corners easy.
we signed Wake…thats a 3rd rd pick talent.
Anquan
2 CB’S
Wake
rest of your draft….
dont see how that is a bad draft if u look at it like that
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I agree.
The phins need impact players regardless of position. It is a hard argument to make, IMO, that a rookie CB taken at #25 will have a bigger impact on the phins than trading for Boldin. Especially since there is no guarantee that the 25th pick will be a solid pro let alone an impact player. And the 25th pick will get about $10 mil contract.
By the way this is hilarious to me..........
Percy Harvin is a “distraction” red flag….
he’s such a distraction he scored in every game and his team won 2 championship while he was there….retarded
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I don't get that "distraction" thing, either.
The only thing that would make sense is if he failed for weed at the Combine. If that’s true, then he’s a HUGE dumbass and I’d instantly remove him from my draft board.
you would take him completely off your board just for failing a weed test?
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 20, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, because if you are looking at losing millions of dollars...
…because you can’t stop smoking weed for the duration of your NFL career, let along knowing you will be tested for the draft, you obviously have a brain malfunction.
I’m not opposed to what one does in their spare time…except when it will cost you $$, especially the possibility of millions of dollars. Quit smoking weed for a few years, make your millions, even 10’s of millions, and then smoke all the weed you want AFTER your career. Its that simple.
Ditto
Look what happened with Ricky haha
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 20, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't want to go through what we have with Ricky
If not for the Ricky saga, I would be fine with taking Harvin. But now, right off the bat, Harvin is in the league’s substance abuse program and one more failed test gives him a 4 game suspension.
I just don’t want to have to worry every day about our new star receiver possibly failing a weed test. It just doesn’t seem worth it to me.
But if Parcells and company do draft him, I’ll trust them that they are confident that they can keep Percy clean.
Weed...
(so i hear cough:happy420:cough) takes the longest to get out ur system…my buddy stopped for 45 days and still came up positive during a job interview. weed doesnt make me pass on anyone.
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so if you had MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars at stake...
….wouldn’t you not smoke weed for like 90 days or so before the test – which you know is coming?
I know I would. If Harvin is that addicted or that dumb, it says a lot about him.
anyone with common sense and an ounce of self discipline
would have to answer yes. The corollary here is obvious.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
no ur right
on this….i have no idea why someone would be so dumb.
but his loss could be our gain is what im saying….he was stupid….he loses allot of money….but we get him at 44 and MAKE SURE he doesnt smoke again/
listen im telling ya….weed can be quit….there arent like shakes or throwing up lol.
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I agree with Matty on this
A player who fails a drug test is off my board. Any drug, whether it be steroids or weed. Too much money is at stake to invest in a guy that you can’t depend on.
Coke, Herion, Meth....all that crap........
im on ur boat…WEED? naww.
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I don't see the difference here.
It doesn’t matter what the drug is. A failed test is a failed test and result in the same suspensions.
i disagree....
a drug is not a drug.
you got homeboy who smoked a joint.
and you got Tony Mandarich who says he was shooting 60-70 pills a week directly into his veins.
if those are the same to you then we agree to disagree.
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You're missing my point here.
In terms of NFL suspensions, they are the same thing. And that’s all I care about from my football team. I don’t care about the effects of the drugs or how they make people act. They aren’t my friends or family. All I care about is having the players on my football team on the field. And in the NFL’s eyes, a drug is a drug. The suspensions are the same.
So I dont care if it’s weed or if the player is taking opium rectally. I want the players on my team on the field – not suspended.
so what about ricky?
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by el presidente 00 on Apr 20, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ricky's an idiot
but he is making an effort to grow up, and i think he is doing a good job. and he is cheap now, but, knowing what you know now, would you have done the deal for him originally? I wouldn’t have.
And i like ricky…. alot, so don’t take this as anything other than an objective opinion regarding the weed chronicles. I admire anyone that can recognize that they have made some stupid choices in life, and has the desire to improve themselves.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
oh i agree
but I’m not willing to wait on Harvin to “grow up.” His Wonderlic score shows that the guy is barely literate to begin with. This is just too much more of an additional risk.
Dan Marino = my answer to every wonderduffus score i ever hear
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That's fine for you.
But I get the feeling Harvin’s case is more than a case of being a “bad test taker” or just not caring. Yes – I have no proof to back it up. But I do have this feeling in my gut that tells me Harvin might not be all that bright – and that coupled with a clear bad sense of judgment (if he did fail his drug test at the Combine) is reason to worry.
Dude...
I have a newsflash for you. You dont have to be even semi-bright to play football. and i think we all make football out to be something its not.
ted ginn has a speech problem….doesnt seem bright at all when he speaks really….i couldnt tell you his wonderlic score….but i can tell you he can run like the wind…catch a big time pass in a big time ga,e..and house a punt in notime.
i guess its hard to make points against what you say is “ur gut” so thats cool.
i honestly am making this arguement for the kid…because of MY GUT. the last time people talked down a great college wr from a florida college…his last name was Boldin. its a late 1st rd pick….Mel Kiper is saying all the same shit im saying….he wont make it past #30 and Tennessee they say. Lemme tell you if Harvin goes to the Titans…we will all pay because him and that RB will light people up in .5 sec flat
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Chris Johnson from ECU.
Who isn’t particularly bright either, but he can play football.
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oddly enought there
are positions on the field for ‘smarter’ people and there are positions where anyone can play….
RB is one of those positions where natural ability seems to get you by for a while…
but safety…. is another story… have you ever heard a hall of fame safety who wasn’t sharp….
and rumor has it that is one of the reasons J Allen is back at CB.
by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 21, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Dan Marino came into the league
good enough to play the position. Low Wonderlic scores equate to a lack of coachability, especially if the guy is already stupid enough to fail his initial drug test.
rofl
His Wonderlic score shows that the guy is barely literate to begin with.
I love how easy it is to make fun of at least a handful of pro athletes.
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 20, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why you think we have a mauler front line
when our Center is coming in to play under a new system, Donald Thomas is a complete unknown, and Vernon Carey is old.
I’ll say it again, we are going to draft an OT and possibly a C in the first day.
i would be surprised if you are right.
but it would not be the first time I was left scratching my head in confusion on draft day.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahaha
Carey isnt old….and Boldin is better than our WR’s….go get ur coffee man ur outta it today
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Maybe I'm wrong,
maybe I’m not. This is how I see it: we have a killer RB squad that NEEDS a monster O-line and a bit of young depth. Henne will be playing some games this year, and he will NEED a monster O-line to keep him from getting rattled too quickly. The O-line is the most important facet of this team right now IMO, and the front office will make sure that we get the talent we need. The front 7 on defense will also be given a bit of an upgrade in the draft as that’s the next most important thing. We are still in Year 2 of rebuild mode under Bill Parcells, so we will once again be concentrating on the lines.
Building from the inside out through the draft and not overpaying for FAs is a proven method, yet people still get starry eyed when they see names like “Cutler” or “Boldin” on the trading block. It’s amusing.
I think they will draft some guys on the 2nd day
but i think we are in pretty good shape with the starters, barring some undisclosed setback to the injured. Don’t count our Shawn Murphy. I read that he reported overweight last year and spent the whole season getting into “Sparano shape” and learning the play book. I also read that he looks like he will contend for a spot this year.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so.
He is definitely a question mark, and even though I have high hopes for him, so is Donald Thomas. We did pick up some depth during the offseason, which makes me feel good about the team, but trading Satele before Grove had a chance to learn the system has me a little worried. All I know is that if we don’t draft O-line in the 1st round, then the FO has confidence in the line (just like they had with our WRs last year) and I won’t have to worry. I just want next week to get here.
I do think we need to look into a QB at some point in the draft as well. We need somebody ready to immediately step up in 2011 in case Henne fails in 2010.
grove will be good. i've seen him play a bit.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I have confidence that he will be as well,
but I expect him to take a few games to really get it. Still, our system is easier to play in than Oakland’s, so there’s a good chance he will just come in and perform.
I’m looking forward to watching Cameron Wake myself.
I agree with you to a point.
I agree that you build the OL and a defense through the draft. But skill positions are very hard to build through the draft. Not impossible, but very hard. The hit / miss ratio on skill positions is very heavily tilted to miss. So, IMO, build the core through the draft (OL & defense), and sign skill position (WR, QB, RB, DE / OLB – pass rush specialists) via FA. That is the quickest and arguably cheapest way to turn a franchise around.
lol.
Plain and simple, our offensive line is going to be disgusting this year. I’m almost willing to put anything down on that being a fact.
No Boldin for me. I’ve read every post, considered every point, but for the cost of acquiring him and the age he’ll be when we’re ready to truly compete for our next Super Bowl, not to mention the completely under-valued nature of our corps considering Pennington’s weaknesses rubbing against their strengths (minus GamCam)..I’m prepared to argue the point all day. But sometimes it’s ridiculous to argue something that has everything to do with subjectivity because strong personalities take it too far and a lot of view points get ignored.
Crap! you know what? I have an easy solution for you RZ
you say Q is worth a 1st and 3rd. And that is about what every says is the least they would take for Ronnie.
Just trade ronnie for Q. There ya go! Ronnie salary can go to pay Q, AZ needs a RB. We get a WR. everyone’s happy!
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions
not a bad idea really....but I'd still rather have the beast that is Mr. Brown
I would ask for Q and a 3rd rounder in return….because IMO Ronnie is a top 5 RB…..Q not so much a top 5 WR.
that works
but honestly, at least for this next up coming season (especially if CP is still in at QB), i would rather have Ronnie.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Apr 20, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet John Beck had a terrific Wonderlic score.......
but he cant hold onto a football for more than 5 sec.
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yeah lol really it is
im sure a 6’4" 325 lb. lineman comin outta college could care less about a test, it prolly would be his only test he took since senior year of high school.. he just wants his $$ and a jersey
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by el presidente 00 on Apr 20, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Continuing on with the Wonderlic hatred
which I agree with.
Just because you are smart doesn’t mean you will be good. Just because you aren’t naturally smart doesn’t mean you will be bad. The difference is whether or not you take the time to learn. Which isn’t what the wonderlic measures. When coaches are sitting down with a player to test his football IQ they don’t ask him word questions or dissect a mechanical graph they want to know if can read coverages, learn a playbook, or run a route accordingly.
I want to hear about Coaches quizzing them on football more than I do about a high wonderlic score.
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try again
ricky williams & a third round pick for Q.a bit better!!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Apr 20, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions
Ricky is not getting traded.
Nobody would give us the draft picks that his value would require. He is cheap and effective—a potent combination.
Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
All these people list teams that "could use Brown"
They say this teem or that team could really use Brown then in the next sentance they say that the Phins can find a RB in the draft in 2nd or 3rd round who will do just as good.. well if the phins can find a guy in the 2nd or 3rd who is just as good as Brown then why cant all these other teams? Why would they trade away a pick or whatnot for brown in the 2nd or 1st round if there are BETTER backs then Brown in the 1st n 2nd round? There are backs that are in the draft that MAY BE as good or better then Brown. The key word here is MAYBE. And if it is so easy to snag a back out of the draft for little money who is going to be SOOOOOOO FREEEEEKING GOOOOOD then why in hell would another team trade away their picks which promise a top notch back at low cost for Brown? WTF are you all smoking? Trading Brown would be a supid move and I hope the FO realizes this.

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