Addressing the CB ... similar to WR'08?

by markus_13 on Apr 17, 2009 5:28 PM EDT

Last season as the draft was approaching we were a team with plenty of holes, most notably at WR. We had just acuired Wilford in FA and still had holdovers in Ginn Jr and the hero Camarillo.

It was thought by many including myself that the position would be addressed in the first 3 rounds but as each round passed another position was addressed. The position later was addressed not with a late pick but with a UDFA and as the season progressed we made a great move in acuiring London.

Our current CB position brings many similar things to the WR position of last year aswell. We added a FA Green (Wilford), we have a former 1st round pick J.Allen (Ginn Jr.) and we also have a unknown in J.Thomas (Camarillo). The only real difference between the two is that we have a solid veteran CB in W.Allen that we didn't have at WR last year.

So my question is simple .... Will we address the CB position similar to the WR position last season?

While I personally think the CB spot will be addressed at some point in the draft I'm not sure if it will be as high as we are thinking.

The trifecta talks about building a team from inside out and if we follow this you can see that we may end up in the same spot with the CB position.

Currently it seems that the OL positions are set, you can also say that the NT spot is a need in the DL(1 - 2nd round pick gone)

Working inside out the next spots are TE and LBS. While I feel the TE spot is secure, if a Brandon Pettigrew drops to #25 I could see that being a possible pick. Their is also a need at LB and with the quality of LBS in the first round this choice could easily be spent on either an ILB or OLB (1st round pick gone)

So if the board falls accordingly we can easily have gone through two of our top three picks without addressing the CB position. This is where I can now see the trifecta moving to the outside and addressing the WR or CB position. I feel that in this part of the draft there is a great number of quality of WR so its more likely that the CB position is left out.

With that being said a 3rd round CB isn't a bad thing but it won't be a Sean Smith or Darius Butler.

How would this make you feel as a fan? Would you be upset if this position wasn't addressed with atleast one of our first three picks?

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Would Not Suprise

at all if the phins don’t draft a CB day 1. IMO, LB’s should be taken in 2 or the first 3 picks.

by ct1361 on Apr 17, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions

yup

don’t know about 2 of the first 3 picks – but LB will be the first pick – unless someone drops far – say a top TE…

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 17, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions

We likely won't draft a WR at all.

Very interesting point about last years hole/unknowns at WR vs. this year’s CB squad. I am one of the minority that think we won’t, nor do we need to, draft a CB or a WR in the first 2 rounds. I did think we’d draft a CB or two in the late rounds, but now you’ve got me wondering about us drafting a CB at all. I can’t imagine Parcells’ opinion of CBs varies much from that of WR.

I think we take Sammie Lee Hill with our 2b pick. I disagree that our O-Line is set. There isn’t enough young depth. We will probably draft an o-lineman with pick 2a unless Parcells believes the guy he wants will be available for us in the 3rd round. I think we are going to trade down our 25th pick come draft day, that’s why Parcells has “scouted” so many WR/CBs. He wants other teams to panic, thus getting us the best value for our pick. I think we’ll get an early 2nd rounder and an early 4th/5th rounder for it. With that first 2nd round pick, I see us possibly grabbing a Center.

by joel311 on Apr 17, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions

i think the O-line is somewhat set because of the young talent in donald Thomas and Murphy .. I could still see the team draft someone like Duke robinson if he last to the 1st pick in the second round.

by markus_13 on Apr 18, 2009 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions

There is no young talent at Right Tackle

and 3 of 5 positions does not begin to constitute depth. The O-line is not out of the woods yet.

by joel311 on Apr 19, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions

we need one backup T

get use to the fact Carey will be the starting RT for atleast the next 3 yrs UNLESS they moved him inside

25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC

by Blaze453 on Apr 19, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

WOW

all of this speculation makes me loco….

I argree with our O-line not being set, i wouldnt mind if one first day picks goes in this direction. Like we have all said before, we have so many holes to fill…..CB is by far our biggest need no questions asked… Hell i feel Crowder needs to be upgraded ….

our OT’s & 3-4 DE’s are the only secure positions on our roster with the youth / talent we need to be dominate for years

So trading down could and would be a welcome option

A feeding frenzy is about to take place in the dirty south

by FinfanT on Apr 17, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions

couldn’t agree more about the speculation but what else is their to talk about haha

I would prefer to trade up and get a really solid player in the first round …….. I like the sounds of Rey

by markus_13 on Apr 18, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions

It wouldn't bother me in the least!

I always refer to History and always look at how Dynasty’s were able to do what they did for extended periods of time and it always comes back to stopping the run on Defense and being able to run the ball on Offense.

Sure there are teams who won the SB w/o a great running game but thats because the opposing teams weren’t able to disrupt the timing of the passing game with pressure,and lots of it.

The Dynastys philosophy on Defense is they had a bad ass front 7,with depth, that stops the run and puts pressure on the QB so the DB’s don’t have to cover for forever and so the Safeties can concentrate on pass support instead of run support which leaves the DB’s on the preverbial Island because that is a recipe for disaster.

On Offense they had great OLs,with depth,that kept the bad ass front 7 of the other teams from getting pressure w/o safety help,if then,which leaves the WR’s one on one and when they pulled them back they would simply run it down their throat so it was a damned if you do and damned if you don’t deal and I honestly think that’s the direction we are headed in but I haven’t worked these boys out and don’t know who the trio really likes on our team now so nothing will surprise me but they know what we truly have and what we really need so we will get what we really need and thats all I want.

I honestly feel we are finally headed “there” and it’s a damn good feeling after 35 years of watching Pitt,San Fran,Dallas,NE and now Pitt again and it’s about time our team had the bullseye on its back because our team is the Miami Fn Dolphins and this Org. deserves it and so do us fans!

by haildanhenningnow on Apr 18, 2009 12:25 AM EDT reply actions

couldn’t agree with you more. I look forward to the draft but I also don’t want to get my hopes up and be upset if we make a move that isn’t FAN friendly or should I say I just don’t want to hear all the crying haha

by markus_13 on Apr 18, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions

/boggle

25th pick - CB Vontae Davis
44th pick - LB Clint Sintim
56th pick - DT Ron Brace

Creator of the "John Philips Bandwagon"

by Heater OsE on Apr 18, 2009 3:11 AM EDT reply actions

Sounds Negative

First off..well written and good points.

Couldn’t disagree more though.

You are forgetting one major thing. They went 11-5. Your argument holds strong if they went 3-13, but not 11-5.

If you are saying they should have gotten a WR last year, comming off a 1-15 season, and they go 4 wins, i would agree.

If they did not get a WR last year and finish 11-5, they did not need a reciver last year.

by Polephin on Apr 18, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions

Not intended to be negative but more of a topic of conversation. I was fine with the way they addressed the WR position last year and I think because of that we are in a much better spot than we would have been if we grab Donnie Avery instead of Philip Merling.

The main point of this is to look back and say exactly that without a WR they finished 11-5 and I feel that they could probably do the same without getting a CB high in this draft … I like who we have. I think most people forget that Goodman isn’t a ProBowl corner and more of an average joe.

by markus_13 on Apr 18, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I got the wrong impression then. I am completely fine without a number 1 WR and as for the CB spot, they do need to address it.

I agree about taking Merling over Donnie Avery as he is not a number 1 WR but Merling showed signs that he has what it takes to get to the QB. Maybe not a Pro Bowler in the next 2-3 yrs but a solid player. Seems we have a ton of number 2 WR and Avery would have been a wasted pick.

I agree about Goodman, he had half a good year and it seems everyone is crying about how we let him go. I beleive that was all coaching with him.

I think CB or OLB with pick 1 and 2. Either order. P/U a WR in round 3 or 4.

by Polephin on Apr 18, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions

The funny thing is

CP10 had very good WR’s during his career… Keyshaun Johnson, Lavereous Coles, Terry Glenn, Santana Moss are just a few off the top of my head…………..

He had a career season with our core of dead beats WR’s? Hmmmm
1+1 still +’s 2 right????

A feeding frenzy is about to take place in the dirty south

by FinfanT on Apr 18, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions

CB is too big of a need to ignore

the thing is the trifecta never lets anything slip out so it makes it difficult to predict what we’re going to do,

You can live with the WRs we have now, but you cant live with a crappy secondary.

"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"

-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic

by Patssuck456 on Apr 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions

Good point

However, I have to disagree with you about comparing a WR with a CB. While there is no question that the Trifecta believes in a good pass rush, when you have excellent corners it really helps the entire defense, especially when you think of Bell and Wilson. Both those guys are strong safeties even though Wilson will be our free safety. We need a corner who is a good cover corner as well as good against the run. That is why I believe the Dolphins will select Vontae Davis, if available. Today on Pro Football Talk, they stated that Davis did not fail his drug test. There are a lot of nickel and dime corners that can be had in later rounds, but a physical speciman like Davis is the type of player Parcells covets. Another option is Sean Smith. I also like Darrius Butler and Alphonso Smith. While Alphonso Smith is not big you cannot argue with his production in college.

Remember, we have to cover Owens and Moss twice a year and right now there is no one on the team that can cover either of those guys. If you recall last year against the Pats, Cassell threw the ball deep to Moss and Moss outdueled Goodman and made him look silly. Not to mention other receivers who we will have to cover in the red zone on fade routes and so forth. You can’t rely on free agents to sign and cover those types of players.

by sundevil11 on Apr 20, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions