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Weekend Roundup: Drugs tests, draft talk & more

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I hope everyone enjoyed their holiday weekend, whether you celebrate Easter of Passover.  To me, these holidays represent one thing each year - the approaching of the NFL Draft (yeah - I might be a bit too obsessed with football).

Anyways, here's what you might have missed while from this past weekend.

HOW RUMORS ABOUT DRUGS AND ATTITUDE AFFECT DRAFT
This is something that interests me every year as the draft rolls around - the amazing effects rumors about drug tests and attitudes have on how the NFL Draft plays out.  We saw first hand as Dolphin fans back in 1983 when Dan Marino fell to the Dolphins pick late in the first round amid rumors of cocaine use.  There's even the theory that the Dolphins are the team who started that rumor as they hoped Danny would fall to their pick - the 27th overall.

We've seen it a lot this year.  At various times, we've heard rumors of failed drug tests by top prospects like B.J. Raji, Percy Harvin, Vontae Davis, Brian Cushing, and Clay Matthews.  And the Palm Beach Post's Ben Volin examines this topic in his latest article - specifically focusing on Florida WR Percy Harvin.

Before we focus specifically on Harvin, though, I think that the idea of these rumors as a whole deserves a quick discussion.  Writes Volin:

First there was the reported score of 12 out of 50 on Harvin's Wonderlic test in February, which measures quick thinking and basic problem solving. Then NFLDraftBible.com reported 10 days ago that Harvin and three other players tested positive for marijuana at February's NFL Combine in Indianapolis, though no other outlet has confirmed the report...The reports never will be publicly confirmed by the NFL, but fair or not, the rumors are out there.

Here's the thing about these rumored failed drug tests at the Combine - NFL teams will know the truth by draft day.  We in the public will never learn with 100% reliability whether or not those who were rumored to have failed drug tests really did fail them in February at the Combine.  But the teams will all receive a list of which players did test positive for a banned substance and which particular substance they testes positive for.  So I just don't see how the rumored drug test issues from the Combine really change anything at all in terms of a player's particular draft stock.  By April 25, all 32 NFL teams will know the truth about these rumored tests. 

So those tests really shouldn't be of concern to any of the potential draft picks.  If they know they weren't using any banned substance, then they can rest comfortably because the truth will come out and those who make the decisions will have the facts.

But for Percy Harvin in particular, there have been rumblings for some time now about potential "character issues" that could hurt his draft status.  Ben Volin writes that some believe these rumors are coming out now "following conversations between NFL executives and Florida coach Urban Meyer."  It's pointed out that Meyer hasn't commented publicly on Harvin's rumored failed drug test - unlike the head coaches of Vontae Davis, Brian Cushing, and Clay Matthews, who have spoken out publicly in defense of their players.  Truth be told, it's certainly interesting that Meyer hasn't said anything.  And if, behind closed doors, Meyer is warning NFL execs about Percy's off-the-field behavior, his stock could certainly plummet.

Volin also writes that there's also a theory out there that the agents of opposing players at the same position as Harvin are spreading these rumors as an attempt to get their client graded out better than Percy and, therefore, drafted earlier.  That could be true.  After all, the higher the agent's client is drafted, the more money the agent receives.

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But Harvin has a past that certainly throws up a red flag for teams who are currently considering investing millions into him:

Still, Pro Football Weekly recently polled NFL executives about the riskiest picks in this coming draft and Harvin was selected as the unanimous winner because of "coachability, a posse of hangers-on, his lack of respect for authority and drug usage."

The reports never will be publicly confirmed by the NFL, but fair or not, the rumors are out there. Combine them with Harvin's frequent run-ins with authorities as a high school star in the Virginia Beach area, which resulted in him being removed from high school sports altogether, and suddenly Harvin has gone from a top-10 pick to maybe slipping to the second round.

This highlights the greater ethical question at hand here.  How much should a potential draft pick's past, particularly his days as a high school student, play a role in how NFL teams view them?  Should a prospect's actions as a 17 or 18 year old kid come back to haunt him?

On one hand, potential employers have a right to know as much about a potential employee as possible.  On the other hand, a person is generally much more immature and lacks sound judgment in his decision making when he's a high school kid as opposed to when he is 21 or 22 years old.  How would you feel if you lost out on a higher paying job and were forced to take a lower paying job because of a couple of bad decisions you made when you were in high school? 

It's an interesting dilemma to say the least.  You can easily make valid arguments from both perspectives on this topic.  And it's one topic that is certainly going to become more and more relevant each and every year as the draft approaches - thanks in large part to the internet and how information is circulated in this day and age.

QUICK HITS
-Sports Illustrated's Tony Pauline seems to think that receivers are going to fall in the draft - which is something we've seen occur in the past couple drafts.  Pauline says that Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks, and Kenny Britt could all be shut out of round one.

-Barry Jackson reports that the Dolphins are scouting a lot of small-school draft prospects.  But the most interesting nugget from his article is how the Dolphins, who already have spoken with Georgia Tech DE/OLB Michale Johnson twice this offseason recently called him again to ask Johnson about a speeding ticket he had received years ago.  Now that's some thorough scouting right there!

-Bills' safety Donte Whitner was arrested (and tasered) for his part in a "near riot" in front of the House of Blues in downtown Cleveland this past weekend.  Why was Whitner there?  He was attending a birthday party for his former college teammate and current Miami Dolphin - Ted Ginn.  And for those keeping score, that's three Buffalo Bills arrests this offseason...and still none for the Dolphins.  We win again!

-Zach Thomas signed a one year, $2 million deal with the Chiefs.  Good luck to him.  It's great to see Zach not forced into retirement like many thought he might be.

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I think all the rumors of drug use, character issues, and all that

may hurt a players stock in the media, and will drop him down some analysts’ boards and mock drafts, but the teams themselves know much more about these things than we as fans do. If a kid has “character concerns” each and every team that is considering picking that kid has already decided whether those concerns are warranted. Also, many teams will put out information like this in hopes of dropping a player to their selection. All you have to do is have a team employee “leak” information to the press that a guy like Harvin has “maturity issues” and everybody starts to take a second look at him. Suddenly, something insignificant becomes important because there’s a rumor about “character concerns.” Personally, I won’t be mad if we take any of the kid with red flags, because I know that Parcells and Co. have researched and investigated all that stuff, and if they feel it’s not an issue, than why should I?

I agree with Tony Pauline that WR’s will drop, and I’ve been saying it for a couple weeks. I believe we’ll have a shot at getting Nicks/Harvin/Britt at 44.

by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions  

also..

Matty, do you really need to put an “editor’s note”?? You are the editor, couldn’t you just put that little reminder in the post without the fancy italics and the so-called “editor” interrupting?

lol that’s so newspaper-cliche :-)

by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to believe it too

I’m not entirely sure I’m ready to believe that all three of those fringe receivers (Harvin, Nicks, Britt) will drop to round two. The Michael Johnson bit is interesting to note, because had I not read that, I’d have to guess that one of those three receivers (I just can’t help but feel as though Nicks is that player for nothing other than gut and “fit”) is who they’d be actively pursuing at 44.

But I really can’t gauge where Johnson is going to go at this point, so it’s not out of the question that they target an English/Johnson at 25 and hope Nicks falls to 44.

I was wondering if they’d sacrifice their 5th or 6th to move up a few picks, say to 40, if Nicks falls to that spot..there is so much to consider.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 13, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting..

After reading Michael Johnson’s scouting report on fftoolbox.com, I noticed MJ put up a pick, six broken up passes, and seven defensed passes in his final season with Georgia Tech.

A 4.75-40 is impressive for a guy his size (6’7", 260), and he’d clearly project as an OLB in our system. I’m beginning to wonder if the Triumvirate are scouting him so heavily to compete with/eventually replace Matt Roth on the Strong Side. Makes a ton of sense – this is the side we expect to be able to drop back into coverage, run well enough to cover tight ends, and play coverage well enough to wreak havoc on passing downs without actually rushing the passer every down. Even better, his athleticism gives him the ability to do so when the play calls for it.

I know he’s been dropping..but that appears to be a direct result of him skipping out on the Senior Bowl. I would have loved to see how he did there..but this is a player formerly considered a top-ten pick. Why is his stock dropping? I can’t answer that, as I don’t exactly know, but if he slides to us at 25 that could be a steal and a player who fits exactly what we’re looking for on the other side of Joey.

This all implies that Cam Wake is going to be Porter’s successor and not Roth’s, too. Makes the most sense that way.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 13, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Check that

44 might be a steal. I read up a bit on why his stock is dropping, and don’t know that I want him at 25. My apologies for triple-posting, but when you see Parcells and Co. looking so closely into a player, you have to look into everything you can find.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 13, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Michael Johnson

for all his unbelievable measurables, disappears on the field. He’s been 6’7 for a while, and he’s always been an athletic freak, but he couldn’t get on the field until his senior season. He seems like another Workout Warrior, and I really don’t wanna see us draft him..

by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, I seem to have posted prematurely

After some heavy digging, I don’t really want him either.

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 13, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol don't worry about it

It may not even be a discussion, because Al Davis could shock the world and take him at 7 lol.

Must suck to be a Raiders fan haha

by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 13, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

wouldn’t doubt and would love to see it.

Let’s go Al Davis!

by Dave.Phuller on Apr 13, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

This could just be a smoke screen by our front office, at least I hope it is…

by Phincent on Apr 13, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if Wide Receivers are moving down....

Who is moving up? LB’s, CB’s?

25th pick - CB Vontae Davis
44th pick - LB Clint Sintim
56th pick - DT Ron Brace

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by Heater OsE on Apr 13, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions  

lb/des

they seem to be moving up the most… mathews, english, ayers, ect

25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC

by Blaze453 on Apr 13, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think...

that a players actions in high school will affect his stock much or even at all… the FO knows what kind of character these guys have and that everyone makes mistakes…Davone Bess seems like a great character guy and he served time when he was 18. People can learn from there past mistakes and become better players/people because of it…

by scbrandon on Apr 13, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Johnny Knox, that name sounds familiar

didnt Matty mention him in his small school prospects article?

Anyway Nice to see Zach get away from all the drama in Dallas.

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When it's me I can't forgive?"

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by Patssuck456 on Apr 13, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Okie Dokie.....

when was the last time Percy was arrested?

when was the last time Meyer suspended him?

when was the last time a teamate said he was bad for the lockeroom?

i really dont know these answers…maybe gatorphan can answer them.

other players say what a joke drug testing in the nfl is…i bet 1/3 of the league smokes pot…and Ricky was high his entire career here so im not worried about a lil weed…if you are then dont pick him ill take the weed smokers…u take the str8 edge bad players

these rumors could come from anywhere….and believe that teams will know the truth..so in the end it doesnt effect them if its not true in the end.

seriously here…someone is gonna get a steal in Harvin…if they use him right. i just heard on espn a insider says no way he drops past us at 25…so if ur dreaming he is there at 44 keep dreaming.

Why..other than the fact that we want a tall guy and a few of us here are Rutgers fans…is Britt so high? im not seeing it. to me he is like the 8th wr i would take.

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by Rzayo24 on Apr 13, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Isn't it a shame that we have to ask "when was the last time Percy was arrested?"

I like Harvin as a player and I think that he will be a good pro. He should not be penalized for failing a drug test if what caused him to fail was pot. But with all that said, I still wouldn’t draft him or any other WR at #25. #44 maybe but not #25.

by ct1361 on Apr 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

A couple things

It’s not that the weed affects Percy’s play. It’s the fact that if (and it’s a big if) he did fail the Combine drug test (and we haven’t heard one peep from Harvin’s camp…no denial or anything), it shows bad judgment and questionable decision making. More importantly, it would put him in phase one of the league’s substance abuse program – meaning more tests. And another positive would result in a 4 game suspension. Is that something you want to have to worry about right now? I know I don’t. But, like I said, NFL teams will know by the draft if he did fail at the Combine.

As far as Britt goes, Britt isn’t just rated highly by Rutger fans. A lot of scouts and “draft experts” – and I use that term VERY loosely – like Britt as well. But if you didn’t watch him week in and week out, you wouldn’t really get it. I firmly believe Britt’s going to be a very good to great receiver in this league if he ends up in the right situation. And truth be told, after Crabtree and Maclin, Britt is my next highest rated WR, followed closely by Harvin and Nicks…..and way above Heyward-Bey. I don’t see how you have Britt 8th – but I’m going to guess you were exaggerating some.

by Matty I on Apr 13, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

ding ding ding
it shows bad judgment and questionable decision making. More importantly, it would put him in phase one of the league’s substance abuse program – meaning more tests. And another positive would result in a 4 game suspension. Is that something you want to have to worry about right now? I know I don’t. But, like I said, NFL teams will know by the draft if he did fail at the Combine.

exactly right….

The idea is – if the guy fails a drug test that he knows the date on which he’ll be tested weeks/months in advance can you really trust him with millions and then expect him to mature???

btw: you say the team will know…. but i’m not sure how it works entirely - but IIRC there is only ONE member of each team/Org who is notified of the testing results and i don’t believe he is (cough/cough) allowed to distribute that information?? (someone can correct me here) I’m sure this is just some sort of chinese wall but that is my understanding that the information is controlled even after it is distributed to the teams.

by W NY Fins Fan on Apr 14, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

britt doesnt have drug problems =)

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by finsxfactor on Apr 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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