Video Time: Wide Receiver Prospects
by Matty I on Apr 11, 2009 1:00 AM EDT
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PrintThere's been a ton of debate over these last few weeks on whether or not the Dolphins need to spend a day one draft pick on a wide receiver. And if so, which one and at what pick?
I'm not exactly a fan of taking a receiver with the 25th pick - though there are some circumstances, depending on how the draft plays out, that I would be in favor of it. Regardless of my opinion, though, a lot of you want the Dolphins take spend a high pick - even their first pick - on a play-making wide receiver. And that's why I offer you these four videos. Three of them (Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Percy Harvin) are of players who are worthy of the 25th overall pick, while the final one (Brian Robiskie) is a receiver who I think is underrated and would be a great pick in round two.
All four videos can be seen after the jump...
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and Hakeem nicks would be amazing. I just have a feeling we wont take him or any WR for that matter as our first pick in the draft
by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 11, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions
AND WITH THE 25TH PICK OF THE NFL DRAFT THE MIAMI DOLPHINS SELECT.....
25th WR – HAKEEM NICKS / UNC -------- 44TH NT - RON BRACE / BC
56TH OLB - PAUL KRUGER / UTAH ----- 87TH ILB – DARRY BECKWITH / LSU
4TH OG - LOUIS VASQUEZ – TX TECH --- 5th QB – NATE DAVIS / BALL ST
6TH CB - GREG TOLER / ST PAULS (VA) ---- 7TH SS – OTIS WILEY / MSU
7TH CB - DON CAREY / NORFORK ST
by ATS16 on Apr 11, 2009 1:17 AM EDT reply actions
Kenny Britt
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I would not be disappointed with that bro!
25th WR – HAKEEM NICKS / UNC -------- 44TH NT - RON BRACE / BC
56TH OLB - PAUL KRUGER / UTAH ----- 87TH ILB – DARRY BECKWITH / LSU
4TH OG - LOUIS VASQUEZ – TX TECH --- 5th QB – NATE DAVIS / BALL ST
6TH CB - GREG TOLER / ST PAULS (VA) ---- 7TH SS – OTIS WILEY / MSU
7TH CB - DON CAREY / NORFORK ST
by ATS16 on Apr 11, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
lol i wont be able to see your reaction because id be too busy playin with myself as i streak around my neighborhood
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CREEPY!!!!!
Only cause I think you would do it…
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by Mosul_DolFan on Apr 12, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL MOSUL where've you been bro. i been missin you
lol and yes i would do it
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by finsxfactor on Apr 12, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be devastated...
However, Tuna has Brain + system to Trust…hence Brain-Trust in a plan that don’t include Britt or any of the above.
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BRITT BRITT BRITT BRITT BRITT BRITTT BRITT BRITT
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so now that its a Wr thread...what are your thoughts on tiquan underwood?
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he's fast
but he isn’t consistent catching the ball….i guess he’s worth a flier in the 6th or 7th round
Wow
He when the first video is over of britt and it shows you can pick more hit the one that says Britt on a crack block now thats gotta hurt
LOL he fricken owned that guy
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Question for you Finsx
if the trifecta went and took a LB or CB at 25 then while you are watching the draft they announce that the dolphins have traded ronnie to grab Britt(it would be Nicks but for ur sake i said Britt) would you be happy?
by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 11, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions
depends.
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the trade
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btw jazzy. how pissed do you think we would be collectively if both were on board and they draft like heyward bey
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really pissed because he will be a BUST
by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 11, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
lol i'd be super duper pissed because we just threw away a pick. lol. britt's the big guy and nicks is the mildew on a toilet. but hey ward bey are those rats in the sewers
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PISSED!!!
I would be extremly pissed if we traded ronnie away for a second round pick hes worth more than that right now its not like he has been a bust for us at all and if it wasnt for him we wouldnt be where we are now!!!!
no we get britt 25th overall. =)
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yeah but look at the draft we could get McCoy with our second pick in the 2nd round
by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 11, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
im just not into trading a young. solid probowl. amazing rb. for another draft pick. why make another hole that we could "adequatly fill" when we have that hole filled with an all-pro.
doesnt make sense.
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but really how long will he be a pro bowler
and whose to say this management cant find another ronnie in this draft. The RB from Conn. and that McCoy character could each step in and run the ball with ricky and we would be just fine.
by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 11, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
but why trade an all pro. to draft a rookie running back? doesnt make sense.
maybe end of contract. when it comes to renewing. we could explore options such as franchising then trading
but NO WAY is ronnie brown worth only a 1st or only a 2. or both combined. not buyin it.
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It just depends on the end sum that you come out with-
if we get say, a second rounder for Brown- and Parcells thinks we can get 90-100% of his production from a 4th rounder- I bet he’d pull the trigger because then you are basically swapping a 4th rounder for a 2nd rounder in Bill’s mind and that is value. That statement isn’t as far out as you think since Ronnie’s production was not actually that high last year – less than a thousand yards and 4.3 per carry- he was good but not great. If he was functioning at pre-ACL tear strength I think he’d be untradable but at this point I think they will consider it.
Not that I want to. I, like many of you, just got a sweet Ronnie Brown jersey to commemorate his return.
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good counterpoint. . .
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I agree with you. If you can get similar production, and get another starter with the pick you get for Ronnie, then it’s a good deal. BUT, it’ll be tough to get a similar player, because there are very few backs that are good at all aspects of the position.
You can certainly get by and be successful with two complementary backs (one power, one speed), but I think it limits your offense and makes you more predictable. When the power back is in (i.e. Brandon Jacobs) the defense isn’t worried about him going out for a pass, so they may be more inclined to blitz an extra guy and not account for him in coverage. With a guy like Ronnie, the D has to play completely honest because he can run inside, take a sweep, or go out and catch a swing pass. They have to account for your entire playbook, not just the few things that whichever back is in the game can do. I think that has to count for something in how we deal with Ronnie.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you know what would be fricken insane, yogeeeeeeeeeee?
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STUPID
It wouldnt matter who we picked up in the first and the second it couldnt be worth getting rid of ronnie for a second we would have to get a mid round first for him so we could pick up one of the stud RB in this draft even know i dont thank any ar better than Ronnie is right now he would still be a probowler for a while hes still young and really has almost always shared carries wit another RB through college and the pros he has a long time left on those legs look wat Adrain Peterson has done he has ran the ball over 300x in 2 years thats wat ronnie has ran in his 4 season almost well ronnie is about 450 or so but it shows he still has alot left
i just think we are blessed to be with ronnie. you guys remember the time when we had NO BODY to run the ball with lol except scout team heros...
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Nicks
is the more impressive reciever over Britt… though it makes no difference neither will be the pick at 25
25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC
stop lyin to yourself. everyone knows britt > nicks. end of story.
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That statement
does not signal the end of any story. There are two sides to both receivers which make both strong and weak in certain areas. The ever-growing debate is discerning between which strengths and which weaknesses we’d rather risk a pick on. Which of the strengths we feel would be the most beneficial impact for this team specifically, and for when Henne comes along down the road. Which of the weaknesses the Triumvirate feel they can “coach up” (though that was an interesting point brought up about the idea of coaching up and whether or not it’s over-stated). And, that’s assuming we even spend a pick on a WR early enough to take either player. Something I can’t help but disregard as an option that suits us well enough to be worth our pick there.
That is, if our pick remains at 25.
Sorry bro. I read the same crap over and over. As much as you love the kid, your infatuation doesn’t mean he’s going to be the better receiver, nor does it mean he’s the better pick for our team. Of course, this isn’t to say I believe Nicks is the better pick or the better receiver. That’s clearly left up for debate. But please, before I unintentionally flip out on one of the threads, chill the Britt love down a notch. And I don’t say this maliciously; it’s honestly just going a bit too far, even for a topic of pure speculation and opinion.
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 11, 2009 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
but heres the thing.
as a Ru Fan (theres like 2 of us here. me and k2) we dont have large draft classes. We arent like Florida or Fsu or even the U. our “best players” usually go 6th maybe 7th at best. The fact that we actually have a prospect (who is one of my favorites) going in the first round excites me. Then add that to the fact we might draft him because he fits a need (big tall, possesion reciever) excites me even more. Asking me to “qwell” or “chill down” with my liking for Britt is not an option lol. You have two more weeks lol. relax bro. I am not telling people to convert to Brittism. I am just arguing my point against Jazzy (a ritual Nicks lover/britt buster).
I honestly couldnt careless if noone on Phinsider thinks Britt is amazing…because I do. and for me thats good enough. I believe he should be the 25th overall pick and Im going to continue to repeat that intill draft day is over.
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i think you're forgetting a fan of RU on this blog.....
…..I think his name is “Matty” something……
Anyways, the thing that is getting irritating to many, myself included, is how who makes repetitive comments about him. It gets old in a hurry. We know you like him. You don’t have to remind us in every comment.
you're an RU fan? never would've guessed it
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Trust me man,
I understand exactly what you’re saying. Rutgers, Big East..tends to be a small football conference. I know, because not only am I a fan of the UConn team, but I go there. So it’s extremely fun for me to sit here and say or think, “Hey, wow, I went to the exact school that Darius Butler, Cody Brown, William Beatty and Donald Brown did.” Yes, admittedly it’s much more exciting when you only have one player to focus on, but come on. How many players does UConn produce that heads to the NFL Draft in a top round on a year-to-year basis? We aren’t exactly a power football program. Donald Thomas came to us last season, and looks to be an absolute steal. But we got him in the 6th. So I could very easily complain that our program doesn’t produce the players that everyone covets year after year. But why bother?
You enjoy following your team because of intangibles, innate qualities that attract them more to you than any other team. So what if they’re not dominant every single season? You watch their players develop, you’re happy to see them go to the NFL, and if they make it, great. You can root for them along the way, but there’s a fine line between homerism and a solid argument for a player.
Look. I’m not here to make you feel like I dislike you, or to shut down your optimism. I’m just simply asking you not to saturate any thread relating to WRs or the upcoming draft unless I see valid reasoning behind every mention. Or at least some mentions. No offense intended whatsoever: the post you made that I originally reacted to is the epitome of what I can’t stand seeing. The main reason I did decide to react is that it’s not the only place I’ve seen it.
So once again, I have no problem with you and don’t mean to create an issue out of this. Just offering up my opinion. If you don’t like it, by all means, you have the right to ignore it.
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 11, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
lol kk.
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I really like Nicks, but I doubt they'll pick a WR at 25...
…and it’d take a miracle for him to be around at 44.
Never been a fan of Harvin. I’d like him in the 3rd round, but not before.
Robiskie would be a nice pick-up at the end of round 2. He might even last into the early 3rd round.
Nicks>Robiskie>Britt>Harvin IMHO. Nicks is the only “special” WR in that group. Robiskie and Britt are similar and not in that “special” category. Harvin will need to find a niche team to be good in the NFL.
I agree
with the order you have them in, and not to down harvin because I think he is a special athlete, but as pure recievers’ and not a slash which I think Harvin would be, I totally agree with you… still Harvin will be worth a first or at least a second to someone
what do you think?
25th pick- Vontae Davis -personally i like Butler Better, but Davis’s talent is unquestioned if he’s there at 25 you take him
44th pick- Hakim Niks – it’s unlikely he drops this far ,but after word got out that he gained 20 lbs in two weeks after not being able to workout due to a hamstring injury his stock has dropped some
56th pick- Lawerence Sidbury -This guy at 6’2 1/2 266 lbs had the fastest 40 time at the comebine for defensive line men, which includes DE’s thst are projected as 3-4 outside LB’s. He ran a 4.64 then ran a 4.57 at his proday, to go along with his 11’1/2 sacks he had last season for richmond , granted they 1 AA college. Who knows maybe he turns into a certain other Lawrence that used to play for the Tuna…
This draft is really up in the air.
Its so fluid with where this guy or that guy might go, moreso than most drafts in recent memory. That being said, I have a hunch that both Davis and Butler will be off the board by 25. If Laurinaitis is there, I grab him, even if Davis is on the board. If Davis and Laurinaitis are on the board, I don’t care, I’d be happy with both. Flip a coin. I think the need is greater at CB, but we need a stud ILB too.
If Nicks is available at 44 that would be amazing, and I’d grab him in a second. I think everyone is over-hyping a lot of the WR’s in this draft. Britt to me looks like he’s on par with Robiskie, and they both look to me to be 2nd round talents at best. Again, both are very good WR’s, but i see nothing special about them. With Nicks, you can see the YAC capability the guy has.
Can’t speak much to Sidbury. I need to do some research on him.
I agree again
Other than Nicks and perhaps Harvin I dont see another reciever that we should even consider drafting before the the third round. Which speakes to how good I think Niks will be in the league. He’s got evrything you want in a WR, size, creates seperation, oh yea and catches everything thrown his way, and as you mentioned insane YAC ability…btw Sidbury may be a one or two year project but watch out for this guy
Even if he does,
he has issues creating separation from DBs.
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 12, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I don’t really want him because of that. We don’t need a massive WR that can’t get away from anyone. We have Fasano and David Martin to do that lol.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree,
which was the reason for my comment on Barden. I liked him originally..but I don’t see our fourth round pick being worth a player who has that sort of height if he can’t separate like a top receiver is supposed to.
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 12, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
he really wowed people at the combine
but I just don’t see him being an effective WR in the league, and I don’t think we have a tremendous need for a pass-catching TE. Even if we do want to take a TE later, I’d rather a guy who is experienced at the position and can block some, like maybe Chase Coffman.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I want a big play maker at this spot like just about everyone else but lets be real I just do not see us taking a wide out with the first pick
if there are no corners or olb out there that we like then maybe but I see Vonte slipping to our lap
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he would be the perfect WR for us now and in the future.
Think about it- he is great at taking small screen passes, short slants, etc and turning them into long gains- and he isn’t afraid to go over the middle. Perfect WR for Penne’s skill set.
But he is also a great deep threat so when Henne comes around it will just add an extra dimension to his game.
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Everyone has their own opinion....
but in MINE I think this is a classic case of getting all caught up in somebody thats TALL because thats what we keep getting punded in our head we need. I will take the electric gamebreaking WR over a guy that has proven less but is taller everyday.
Thinking outside the box is what makes a business/team succesfull if you ask me…who says we cant have Ted Gin Jr. and Percy Harvin criss crossing the field at light speed , taking snaps outta the backfield, getting from the 50 to the endzone for deep passes faster than any combo ever…NOT 1 BUT 2 of the top 5 fastest WR’s in the game. We already run a reverse a game to teddy…flea flickers..the wildcat…imagine what Harvin as another option to think about on those plays would do.
Hicks is the only guy that makes me think…he reminds me of Michael Irvin the way he seems so confident and talented…even holds the ball like Irvin did. If we get any of these guys Id be happy….Robiskie im ehhhhh about…at 56 i guess. Britt im not sold on…Harvin and Hicks are game breakers./
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i would rather have harvin then nicks. but i would rather have britt above em all.
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Give me Nicks
then Harvin, then Britt. That’s how I have them ranked. I REALLY like Harvin because of his explosiveness, and the fact that he can line up anywhere and score. Nicks is an all-around beast, and I think he compares favorably to AQ Boldin. Britt is a big target, but doesn’t bring a big play threat along with him. I think drafting Nicks or Harvin gives us 2 guys on the outside that can house it at any given time (Nicks/Harvin and Ginn), while I think Britt balances the offense out, but still only leaves us with 1 legitimate breakaway threat.
I also think that 2 of those 3 could be available at 44, and I think that’s when we should target them.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 11, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe Robiskie Moves into the 1st round
I guess his stock is rising after his pro day. Here is a link to the Risers and Fallers in the draft according to CBSSports.com:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/risersandfallers
Also note how Alphonso Smith and DJ Moore are dropping because of their pro day workouts. Could be available at #56.
That would be nice-
I kind of think that is BS though- if you are a playmaker against top competition, a gym workout shouldn’t affect your stock that much. I would love to get Moore or Smith though.
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I don't want any WR day one.
But I would like Smith or Moore at #56. That and two LB’s at #25 and #44, and that would be a great draft IMO.
A question for Matty
Which of the two…….Britt and Nicks, has the biggest hands? I recently remember reading an article about the size of one of their hands but cant find the article again.
Nicks is reported to have 10 and 1/2in hands
by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 11, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
dont know about britt maybe finsx can help you out with that
he might just say some outrageous number though
by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 11, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
so, me too..
and I can’t catch shit either
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I think that says more about you
than it does about Nicks lol
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
no need for finsx
Britt has 9" hands according to the scouting report matty did on him a week ago
by jazztrumpeter89 on Apr 11, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
at this point
I truly beleive that this FO will take the best player available at 25 as much as i would like them to take a guy like Davis or Sean Smith to help secure the CB spot a great pass rush instantly improves your secondary and that’s the Parcells way. Harvin and Ginn would also make a great duo.
by fins72marino420 on Apr 12, 2009 3:49 AM EDT reply actions
I don't see Alphonso Smith being cut out for the job
He seems more like a nickel back to me
by fins72marino420 on Apr 12, 2009 3:57 AM EDT reply actions
All prima donas...
the league is littered with TO 85s PBs type primas. None of the above will fit Tuna’s scheme. He likes London, Bavaro II, etc. From there will the ‘playmaker’ will come, trades, waivers and post draft deals. They look like B-listers but are gems to the Tuna.
Butler Brace Barwin & Barden: 4Bs or not 4Bs, that is da Q
So we draft a WR on the first day then...
Ginn already getting 1st rnd $, Cam new contract, Bess a great value, Wilford a big salary cap hit to get rid of, making a 1st round wr even more expensive. Do we try to put London on practice squad? Who plays special teams? Do we lose Armstrong? Just wondering.
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exactly
if anything, they’ll cut Wilford in camp and take the cap hit. Ginn, London, Bess, Camarillo, and a drafted player will be our WR corps going into the season.
Whether that drafted player is a First Day pick, like Harvin, Nicks, Britt, or Robiskie, or a late rounder like Marko Mitchell, Johnny Knox, or Mike Wallace depends on, IMO, how the FO views the WR position’s overall importance, and the ability of the guys on the team. I think they like what we have, but they know as well as anyone that we could use an upgrade. There’s nobody on the roster right now that can be a go-to guy in a critical passing situation, and I think that contributed to our poor 3rd down percentage last year as well as some of the other issues. I’d like to see us go after Harvin, Britt, or Nicks, because I think any one of those players can vastly improve our offense in multiple ways.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
could only see Harvin
I watched all those videos, and Harvin is the only one I can remember. He’s got game breakin ability in a variety of roles. He will change someone’s team. I’d rather him play with us, rather than us play against him.
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he showed the ability many times in college to score from anywhere in the formation and anywhere on the field, which is something we just haven’t had in a while. I’m over the “we need size” thing, because I think Harvin or Nicks would help our offense more than a guy like Britt, Robiskie, or Barden.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I also like Harvin and aren't huge on the latter three,
but I think Nicks is precisely the player we need. He has good size but can still separate, doesn’t have elite speed but still has solid game speed, and can catch everything thrown his way (convert 3rd downs).
We don’t NEED receivers..per say..but Nicks would be a great fit for the offense.
by Dave.Phuller on Apr 12, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Nicks > Harvin, but I’m not gonna nitpick over them, because I’ll be ecstatic with either lol.
by Little Nicky 21 on Apr 12, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
whered ohio go? i miss that guy. he's almost as crazy as i am
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by finsxfactor on Apr 13, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
i could tell you the same =)
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by finsxfactor on Apr 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I gotta say after seeing the Percy Harvin vid...
I was amazed. Nicks is good too and my friend coaches at the High School he went to (Oscar Smith) so I should have some buy in with him, but Harvin just stood out among the rest. I understand it’s a different level in the pros, but I loved how he was moving forward and fast. One thing that I can tell is that he’s going to be a threat to whichever team he plays against.
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Didnt need to wtach the Perc Harvin vid
I’ve seen plenty of him kicking ass.
anyway Britt is pretty physical.
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