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Scouting The Draft: Day Two Nose Tackles

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It's widely expected that one of the things Miami's font office is spending time on leading up to the draft is the potential selection of a nose tackle.  According to many, myself included, the nose tackle position is the most important position in a 3-4 defense.  Simply put, you cannot run a 3-4 scheme without a reliable nose tackle.  With Jason Ferguson turning 35 years old in November, it's becoming increasingly important for the Dolphins to find Jason's "heir apparent."

B.J. Raji, the draft's top defensive tackle, can certainly play the nose - but will be long gone by the time Miami picks.  His college teammate, Ron Brace, is a likely second round prospect - and could be on Miami's radar.  But I wanted to focus more on potential second day nose tackle prospects.

One guy who won't be on this list is Temple's Terrance Knighton - who I like a lot as a potential nose.  The reason?  I already included him on a "day two prospects" list a few weeks back - and you can view that by clicking here.

Terrance Taylor, Michigan
6'0 1/8", 306

You'd like your nose tackle to be a little taller, but Taylor is still a solid nose candidate because how stout he plays at the point of attack.  A lot of scouts rave about how Terrance is able to keep his pad level low - which is very important in keeping his leverage.  He has the ability to occupy multiple blockers and he has a terrific initial push.  The biggest knock on him, though, is that he might not be in the best shape and has poor stamina.  But with the patented "Bill Parcells offseason conditioning program," I wouldn't be too worried about Taylor's stamina.  Give him a year in Miami under this regime and he'll be ready to play as a full-time starter in 2010.

Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman
6'3 7/8", 329

Here's a guy whose stock has risen very quickly to the point of possibly sneaking into round three.  He was immensely productive in college, tallying 12 sacks and 29.5 tackles for loss in his last two seasons.  But that was playing against division II talent - not exactly good competition.  But there's a lot to like about him.  He's got terrific size.  He benched 225 pounds 27 times, showing off his strength.  He has very long arms (34").  And he's very agile for his size - something a nose tackle has to be, though people often times forget that.  The biggest knock, according to scouts (other than his experience against subpar competition) is that he doesn't always play with great leverage and that he must improve his pad level.  That's something you can coach up - and guys of his physical stature and talent simply don't come along too often.

You can read more on Sammie Lee Hill in GatorPhan's terrific scouting report.

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Chris Baker, Hampton
6'2, 326

Baker is a typical "boom or bust" player.  He has all the physical talent in the world.  He's strong, explodes off the snap, and will stand up his man at the line of scrimmage.  His long arms (34") also allow him to to really get great leverage against his blocker.  So why was he at Hampton?  Baker transferred to Hampton for his 2008 season after being dismissed from the Penn State team for 2 felony charges that stemmed from 2 separate fights.  He began his college career as a backup at Penn State in 2006 before starting 12 games in 2007 as a redshirt sophomore - when he totaled 37 tackles, 4.5 sacks, and 8 tackles for loss.  In his one season at Hampton, Baker had 8.5 sacks and 16.5 tackles for loss.  It'll be interesting to see where he falls on draft day.  How much of a concern is Baker's character?  Some believe it's a major red flag while others feel he was just a kid at the wrong place at the wrong time.  If the Dolphins' front office is leaning more towards the "wrong place, wrong time" theory, then you have to imagine Chris is on their radar.

Dorell Scott, Clemson
6'3 1/4", 312

If you're talking strictly about measurables, then Dorell Scott is the player in this draft who most closely resembles Jason Ferguson.  They have similar builds - and truth be told - they have similar styles of play.  He's very strong (benched 225 pounds 29 times) but is nimble and quick off the snap.  He's also a smart player who will get in the passing lanes and put his arms up to make it tougher on the quarterback.  He's willing to take on blocks and can hold up at the point of attack.  The biggest knock on him, though, is reportedly his leverage.  He doesn't keep his pads low on a regular basis, which allows blockers to get under him and shove him backwards.  But, again, that's a technique issue that can be worked out.  And one of the things I've read about Scott from various scouting reports is that he has the frame to be able to put on another 10 pounds or so without it really restricting his play.

Marlon Favorite, LSU
6'0 7/8", 314

Right off the bat, the obvious knock on Favorite is his lack of ideal size.  But he knows how to play despite his ideal height - keeping his pads low andp laying with leverage against his blocker.  He holds up well at the point of attack, even against double teams.  And he's not afraid to mix it up with opposing linemen.  He doesn't possess the kind of initial explosion off the line that you'd like, though.  But he has a high motor to make up for that.  He's also a locker room favorite and a guy whose teammates tend to look to as a leader - which is similar to the locker room traits that Jason Ferguson possesses.

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Still think we need to take NT with pick 2b

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by Rytackle on Apr 10, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we have the time to truly develop a young NT

then I say go for him with a late round pick and use the high ones to fill spots that require play makers that will provide immediate impact. In a rebuilding process you need to be able to draft starters not only in day one but also in day two, and that is something the trifecta did successfully last off season. However, if the tri dont think that any of this late round prospects could become a quality starter then I say get one with 2a or 2b, such as Ron Brace if he is still one the board, specially if he is still on the board for 2b. I cant stress enough how important adding a young quality NT would be for our defense. Both for the long term and the short term. For the long term we need a stud at NT that will be able to dominate the run and also take two gaps on the pass rush for us to be successful, and in the short term, this team would take a terrible hit as a whole if Jason Ferguson was to go down again during the season (we all saw what happened last year against Bal for instance) and that could not only ruin any hopes we have to make the playoffs, but could also affect our young players development both mentally and physically. Get a great NT in whatever round but get one.

by MauMontaV5 on Apr 10, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One Problem

Is that the reason our D struggled so much that first bal game when furgy was out also was solia because he was suspended and we had to use a reserve/3 stringer in our nose position and a spot that valubel u need ur best player there dont get me wrong we still would of had problems wit furgy gone but it wouldnt of been that bad if solia was there just wanted to add that

by MF_34 on Apr 10, 2009 4:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great write up Matty-

the only thing that worries me is with all the teams switching to the 3-4 that some of these guys who should go on the second day are going to go earlier, and we are going to have to reach to get our guy.

I wish Terrance Cody had come out this year. . .

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by GatorPhan on Apr 10, 2009 6:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Cody came out, though, I think he would have been a top 10 or so pick

Which means we have no chance at him. Could you imagine him in a Fins uni? Amazing.

by Matty I on Apr 10, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno-

I saw him projected in the 20’s since he was a bit heavy and had an injury at the end of the year. He lost 15 lbs around and is looking great at practice- so yeah he probably will be next year.

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by GatorPhan on Apr 10, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1st three picks should be.....

CB….OLB……NT……

"You are the people you hang out with"

by buckeyebill on Apr 10, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NT can be adressed in the third

"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"

-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic

by Patssuck456 on Apr 10, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice write up Matty

As I have said in comments in other posts, I don’t believe that you draft a NT on the first day of the draft. The first day should be for every down starters and NT is not an every down position. A NT comes out on passing downs and in passing formations. They just don’t rush the passer well and the best NT’s in the league are not on the field in these situations.

Draft a NT on the second day. That is the day for part time players and depth picks.

by ct1361 on Apr 10, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

matty...thoughts on tiquan underwood?

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by finsxfactor on Apr 10, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no. he plays WR

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by finsxfactor on Apr 10, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...? still havent given me your thoughts lols

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by finsxfactor on Apr 10, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Coached up"

I wish the use of this phrase made more sense to me. As Matty I wrote about Sammie Hill, “The biggest knock, according to scouts (other than his experience against subpar competition) is that he doesn’t always play with great leverage and that he must improve his pad level. That’s something you can coach up – and guys of his physical stature and talent simply don’t come along too often.”

I feel sometimes, more often than not, we feel like players can be coached up way too easily. If feel if that was the case, then why does Paul Solai still suck? Hes huge but his leverage is awful. He hasnt been “coached up” to the point that he has shed his bad habits of staying too high. Regardless of his off the field issues, I feel Solai is a perfect example of a player that has the size and strength to succeed but just hasnt been the benefactor of being “coached up”. Is this phrase not overused a little bit?

by picklescapone on Apr 10, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow I am in love with Sammie Hill

Thanks to GatorPhans excellent write-up on him. He sounds like the prototypical team player: he loves the sport and he’s a good person. I hope we get him.

by joel311 on Apr 10, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wouldnt mind seeing a couple of these guys on the roster:>)

And I think we just might

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by uncle finster on Apr 12, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NT

I think a good NT is something we address anytime, this or next draft. With the resigning of jason Ferguson I think that we can draft a NT a little later than 3rd round. Maybe we can use the pick we swapped with Oakland. That puts us in a decent position to draft a good NT. With the measureables he can step in to give Jason a rest and we can develop him thorugh out the year and maybe next. if he does not become a good enough replacement for Jason in the future, drafting a NT would become our #1 priority. i think we have time before we need to chase that position. Even if Jason gets hurt again we can put Paul in there.

by esco6781 on Apr 12, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fergie

has given indications that he’ll retire after this year so either get one to develope for a year or draft one in round 1 next year or wilford becomes a free agent next year too

25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC

by Blaze453 on Apr 13, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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