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The Phinsider Mock Draft 2.0

This time of year, everybody seems to love a good mock draft.  I created my first 2009 mock draft over a month ago.  But since then, free agency kicked off and potential draft picks took part in the Scouting Combine.  So now it's time update my mock draft.  So check it out below and then leave your comments.

And don't forget to check out our Dolphins mock draft database - which was updated today.

1. Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
I previously thought the Lions would go with a tackle with their first pick.  But it might make more sense to take Stafford, who has a ton of potential, and then spend their 2nd first round pick on a tackle.  This is a deep draft at tackle and no one particular tackle has set themselves apart as the clear choice as best of the class.

2. St. Louis Rams - Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
The Rams took their first step towards improving their offensive line by signing center Jason Brown.  They can take that next step by getting their stud left tackle to replace the aging Orlando Pace.  Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe are the top 2 tackles in the draft.  But there are some reports that Monroe is being "red-flagged" with potential injury concerns.  Of course, the Rams could surprise everyone and take Michael Crabtree to replace Torry Holt since Holt has asked out of St. Louis.

3. Kansas City Chiefs - Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
Now that the Chiefs traded for Matt Cassel, they could go a couple different directions here.  But I think that getting the draft's top defensive player in the draft would be a great way for Scott Pioli to begin KC's rebuilding process.

4. Seattle Seahawks - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
With the signing of T.J. Houshmandzadeh, I don't see Seattle taking Crabtree here as I once thought.  Instead, they'll probably decide between either a tackle or BC DT B.J. Raji.  But I think Seattle's need to improve their offensive line will dictate their selection of Monroe.

5. Cleveland Browns - Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
I previously thought that Malcolm Jenkins could go here because Cleveland's secondary is terrible.  But his stock is falling.  Meanwhile, a top pass rusher is still a need.  Orakpo needs to prove at his pro day that he can play outside linebacker.  And if he does, he will probably be Cleveland's selection.

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6. Cincinnati Bengals - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Leave it to the Bengals to make the controversial pick in the top 10.  Smith might have the most physical talent of all the tackles in the draft.  But his off-the-field issues have raised some red flags.  However, he can still recover with solid workouts between now and draft day.  While the Bengals could look at taking Crabtree, I think the signing of Laveranues Coles makes WR less of a need.

7. Oakland Raiders - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
This would be a shame, really, for a guy like Crabtree to land in Oakland - where great potential seems to be wasted on a regular basis.  But Crabtree is the kind of talent Al Davis loves - and for good reason.  I think he's going to be something special.  Hopefully for him, the fact that he'll have to play in the silver and black will not kill his career.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
The Jaguars need a left tackle, but the top three are already off the board.  They could also use a corner, but I just don't think that the top corners deserve to be taken this high.  The Jaguars have lacked a play-making receiver for a long time, too, and Maclin fills that role perfectly.  He's a threat to score every time he touches the ball.

9. Green Bay Packers - B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College
The Packers are switching to a 3-4 defensive scheme this offseason and Raji would give Green Bay the dominant nose tackle they need.  While they could also take a pass-rushing OLB here, Raji provides more value with the 9th overall pick - and less of a risk.

10. San Francisco 49ers - Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State
While many will make a case for Mark Sanchez landing in San Francisco, I just don't think he deserves to be picked this high.  And I think Mike Singletary will push for a defensive play-maker with his first ever draft choice as head coach.  Brown will provide SF with that much needed pass-rush specialist.

11. Buffalo Bills - Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
12. Denver Broncos - Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
13. Washington Redskins - Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
14. New Orleans Saints - Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
15. Houston Texans - Brian Cushing, LB, USC
16. San Diego Chargers - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
17. New York Jets - Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
18. Chicago Bears - Darius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
19. Tampa Bay Bucs - Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
20. Detroit Lions - Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
23. New England Patriots - Clay Matthews, LB, USC
24. Atlanta Falcons - Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
25. Miami Dolphins - Larry English, OLB, Northern Illinois
I'll admit it - this is the first year in a while where I'm completely stumped on what the Dolphins will do with their first round pick.  It's that wide open - and Bill Parcells never lets any info leak out.  Theoretically, they could go with an OLB, WR, or CB at this spot.  And truth be told, this isn't the pick I would make myself.  But what does that matter - I'll trust Parcells and Jeff Ireland over myself.

So until it gets closer, I'm just going to stick with the most likely scenario - and that's the Dolphins taking an outside linebacker that could provide some pressure on the quarterback and eventually replace Joey Porter as the team's premier pass rusher.  English is more of a risk than Clint Sintim, who has spent his college career playing OLB in a 3-4, but he has more upside and his stock is going to rise as we get closer to the draft.  As much as I'd like to see a corner taken here, I think the safe bet is on a linebacker - with a WR like Brian Robiskie on Miami's radar in round 2.

26. Baltimore Ravens - D.J. Moore, CB, Vanderbilt
27. Indianapolis Colts - Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
29. New York Giants - Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
30. Tennessee Titans - Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
31. Arizona Cardinals - Michael Johnson, DE/OLB, Georgia Tech
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Alex Mack, C, Cal

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Can't argue with many of these picks-

the only thing- I think Undead Al may fall in love with Heyward-Bey due to his 40 time, and reach take him over a guy like Crabtree.

"Right now he’s got to be one of the best players in America. He’s got the best first step . . .What he did to prepare for that game is what legends are made of." Urban Meyer on Percy Harvin
Lonely Leader of the Percy Harvin Bandwagon.

by GatorPhan on Mar 6, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice pick at #25......

I’ve got room in the Conestoga Mk IV bandwagon for English………anyone care to jump on?

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 6, 2009 12:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

lol-

dude- its a bandwagon for the 2009 draft, not the back up QB most likely to succeed.

"Right now he’s got to be one of the best players in America. He’s got the best first step . . .What he did to prepare for that game is what legends are made of." Urban Meyer on Percy Harvin
Lonely Leader of the Percy Harvin Bandwagon.

by GatorPhan on Mar 6, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in on that bandwagon.

Nice mock, Matty. I’ve got the Fins taking Larry E. too. Dude’s a stud.

by FinsNation on Mar 6, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

It’s hard to dislike that pick. I’d prefer a corner being taken – but that’s probably less likely.

by Matty I on Mar 6, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

welcome aboard!

there’s beer in the cooler and runzas in the picnic basket.

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 6, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's unlikely, but I wouldn't completely rule out drafting a DT (i.e. Brace) in the first round.

His stock may go up a bit between now and draft time, and if the regime is really high on him (much more so than the remaining DTs in the draft and more than any of the players left at 25) then the Dolphins may draft him in the first round.

by kcorona4 on Mar 6, 2009 12:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe. . .

but I don’t think he did enough at the combine to get into the 1st round.- too many other, more versatile DTs in front of him (Raji, Peria Jerry, & Ziggy Hood spring to mind). He basically showed he is only a 3-4 NT so that is a good thing for us as it limits teams that will take him. The only team that worries me is Denver in front of us because they will be desperate for a NT- but I think there are enough guys available later still that it isn’t worth reaching for him.

"Right now he’s got to be one of the best players in America. He’s got the best first step . . .What he did to prepare for that game is what legends are made of." Urban Meyer on Percy Harvin
Lonely Leader of the Percy Harvin Bandwagon.

by GatorPhan on Mar 6, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Mock...

The only thing I think about is that who ever New England takes, Miami will take the other. So this could actually the Patriots taking English and Miami Clay Matthews. But I agree fully that Miami will go Linebacker (specifically outside). It’s safer and a great need.

by Alpha6 on Mar 6, 2009 12:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like a lot of your picks but...

In my opinion:

Aaron Maybin shouldnt be a first rounder. I honestly do not like what I have seen from him. I watched him closely at the combine and he just didnt look smooth. He needs to add some weight if he is going to play DE and even OLB in a 3-4. Running a 4.88 40 yard dash and being undersized is not a good combo. Also he only has 1 season of college ball under his belt.

Originally I had Josh Freeman as a 1st rounder going to the Vikings. However Im not sure he is still worth a 1st. He didnt have a great combine and that may have hurt him. His pro day will be a big day for him if he wants to possibly go in the 1st round. Although many felt that Joe Flacco wouldnt be a 1st rounder and he snuck in.

I do like the Larry English pick a lot. He has amazing pass rush skills and will definatley make an instant impact for our pass rush. The only thing thats bothers me is that I dont see him being an every down player for us (as a rookie). He will have to learn how to transition to the 3-4 and work on dropping back into coverage.

Its always interesting to see where Michael Johnson goes lol. I have seen him top 10 and then I have seen him in round 3.

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by Madman29 on Mar 6, 2009 12:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

tough call

English,Matthews, I can see them going after. Cushing to me is the most risk-reward player at that spot. His injury past questions his ability to play at the pro level and elite at that. If it’s not one of these type of players it’ll def be CB.

by drey34 on Mar 6, 2009 1:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

don't forget Clint Sintim...

already played 4 years in a 3-4 defense and has flexibility to move from OLB to ILB. I think he would be a better pick than English.

25th pick - C Alex Mack
44th pick - CB Sean Smith
56th pick - WR Derrick Williams

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by Heater OsE on Mar 6, 2009 4:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#27

Harvin falls to 27th to the colts? I highly doubt Heyward-Bey is taken before Percy Harvin, let alone 9 picks before him.

Joined the Draft Percy Harvin Bandwagon!

by tdoublem23 on Mar 6, 2009 9:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

ih he does that proves the stupid combine means more than Harvins career

and i think harvin scored in like 14 games straight

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 6, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

also

more tds per touch than reggie bush in his carrer.

seriously, if he falls to 25, we have to take him.

Joined the Draft Percy Harvin Bandwagon!

by tdoublem23 on Mar 6, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct sir- 14 games with at least a TD

its an NCAA record.

"Right now he’s got to be one of the best players in America. He’s got the best first step . . .What he did to prepare for that game is what legends are made of." Urban Meyer on Percy Harvin
Lonely Leader of the Percy Harvin Bandwagon.

by GatorPhan on Mar 6, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

see i dont hate the guy

i think Harvin will be good….real good. i was just pushing your “gator wrs flop” button before lol

Harvin is gonna be Reggie Bush if he can be healthy…oh wait that makes no sense since Bush is always hurt.

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 6, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It comes down to team need

I think the Bears would prefer DHB over Harvin because he’s bigger and Harvin might have durability concerns.

by Matty I on Mar 6, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

isnt it a funny messed up world

when a team would rather have a WR that had 1/10th the college career of some other guys just cuz he is a few inches taller?

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 6, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mau holding up the works cuz'

he’s trying to snag TO!

Larry Little and I both wore 66 in our football careers. I think that means something.

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by Tunaflipper on Mar 6, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not Bad

I do think that KC should consider getting some o-line help but I can see them taking Curry,Dont know about Havin and the Colts I think they need a DT or a LB Love the Larry English pick

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by Foy on Mar 6, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

There's Also...

James Laurenaitis, ILB, Ohio State. He could be an option for New England OR Miami. It would sure go a long way to our run stopping abilities. And they could still get a DE or OLB in the second round.

by Alpha6 on Mar 6, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

True we could use another ilb as well

Ahhhh Ta Ta Ta Ta Bye Bye Foy518

by Foy on Mar 6, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

English has Bust written all over him!

I would be severely disappointed if we drafted Larry English. He is way too slow for a rush linebacker. Despite weighing in at 255 (not the listed 274) he still ran a 4.87. That is AWFULL!!!

If anything, the only 1st rd. linebackers I’d have any interest in are the USC Trio. If none of those three are there, then I want Hakeem Nicks, then Darius Butler.

In with 2a, if took :
a) Nicks, then look at Stinim, Jairus Byrd, Coye Francies.
b) Butler, then look at Britt, Brace, Robiskie, Stinim.

2b take whatever BPA among CB, WR, NT, OLB that has not been addressed.

3rd Same as above

4th rd – Pat White, Scott McKillop, Jasper Brinkley

5th rd – AQ Shipley, Andre Caldwell, Tony Fiammetta

7a – Trimane Goddard, Tackle, DE

by SwimmingWithTheFishes on Mar 6, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

English is a Stud.

This guy is an stud LB. He is fast and powerful which is a great combo for someone who rushes the passer. Parcells and Co covet players who can protect the quarterback and rush the quarterback so it would make sense for us to take a pass rusher in the first round after solidifying our O-line with free agency. With that being said it is still very much up in the air. Other pressing needs are in the secondary, nose tackle and wide receiver. I don’t see the Phins taking a WR due to the depth at wideout in the draft and the possibility of getting a number one receiver in the second round. So that leaves our defensive needs. I don’t see us reaching for someone like Brace who will probably be available in the 2nd round. Also in the secondary Parcells is notorious for taking corners in the later rounds which leaves us with LB. So I feel very comfortable saying that we will take a LB with our pick in the first round. Their will be guys available that will be able to make an instant impact. The guys that I think will be a possibility at 25 are Larry English and Clay Matthews Jr. I personally feel that we will take Clay Matthews over Larry English, if they are both available, because Clay is more versatile within the LB position. This is a guy who could line up at either OLB or MLB. He can blitz from the edges or right up the gut. Either way I would be happy with us drafting either one of these guys.

by FinsFanForever on Mar 6, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

CHEAP SHOT!!!!!!!!!!!

today i woke up and thought about changing my Bandwagon because we already had signed a center. Then I started thinking about choosing Laurenatis but then said, you know what? choose the best pass rusher LB.

LARRY ENGLISH

DAMN IT

by MauMontaV5 on Mar 6, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No way on English

I think everyone will agree that Parcells is always looking for the next LT. He got pretty close with Demarcus Ware and he ran a 4.56 40. He may have a quick first step but he will struggle against the bigger/longer Left Tackles in the game with that slow of long speed.

Also, if you look at BP’s draft history, rarely, if ever (Ware being the only exception) does he use a top pick on a small school player. They are almost always from a big time football program.

by SwimmingWithTheFishes on Mar 6, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know abnout OLB at 1

I’m alot more content with Roth, Wake and Porter than I am of Will Allen and Jason Allen at corner. You know i think Mauluga will slip and MIA will consider a jump to get him but if not, we can get a top 3 CB.

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by BSerious72 on Mar 6, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I’d prefer they go corner at 25 – but I don’t think they will at this point.

by Matty I on Mar 6, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Allen as starting corner?

This team needs DB’s! Jason Allen as a starting corner AND Will Allen on last year of his contract ! Just as last year 2 of the first 3 picks went to the Dline, 2 of the first 3 picks in this draft should go to DB’s. Darius Butler with first pick and if Alphonso Smith is still on the board at 44 he should be pick #2. If Smith is gone, Connor Barwin would be just as good a pick at 44 then would be English in rd. 1.

by finsfix on Mar 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

if not 1st then 2nd pick

Have to agree … I think we will probably spend our first pick on a CB but who knows. I’m not sold on English but the truth is I don’t know much about him. I know w.e. they take I will be like a lemming and follow

by markus_13 on Mar 6, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

If I was picking at 25, I’d take a corner because that’s desperately what this team needs. But I just don’t think that is what Parcells and Ireland will do…at least right now.

As far as which corner, Sean Smith is still my favorite in the entire draft – he has the most upside. But my #2 option would be Darius Butler. The kid can run and is a play-maker.

by Matty I on Mar 6, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matty

Sean Smith is a nice player, but at his size he may be best suited to safety. This team desperately needs true corners. That’s why I think Butler in rd. 1 and a second true corner (like Alphonso Smith) in rd. 2 would be ideal. If they could grab 2, and if they both pan out, the secondary should be set for years.The corner situation on this team right now is frightening.

by finsfix on Mar 6, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Why would to Colts take percy harvin when Knowshon Moreno and Hakeem Nicks are still on the board? I would be so mad at my Colts if they did that.

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by Colts18 on Mar 6, 2009 5:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Moreno I can answer for you-

Harvin- 11.9 Yards per Play, Moreno- 6.3 yards per Play. Plus- you guys already have Addai- why waste a 1st round pick on a RB?

Nicks- he is good but do the Colts really need a possession receiver? Thats what Nicks is, tough, good hands, but slooowwwwww- Harvin is has big football speed- he’d be more of a weapon who could go over the top or take catches underneath for good YAC- not to mention the versatility of being able to take the ball out of the backfield.

"Right now he’s got to be one of the best players in America. He’s got the best first step . . .What he did to prepare for that game is what legends are made of." Urban Meyer on Percy Harvin
Lonely Leader of the Percy Harvin Bandwagon.

by GatorPhan on Mar 6, 2009 6:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Side note...

if we do pick a LB Parcells has hit on Hall of Famers and future Hall of Famers about 99% of the time.

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 6, 2009 8:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

true story

"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"

-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic

by Patssuck456 on Mar 6, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like English but wouldn't draft with the 25th pick

Those of you that keep mentioning that OLB is not a need and should not be a position we take in first round might be missing something here. First even though we have Porter and Roth that are quality starters, porter will need to be replaced(if his play continues at this level resigning him will be steep) and Roth doesn’t get the pass rush team wants on 3rd down(passing downs). Maybe Roth can be moved inside maybe not in the least he is a “run-down” OLB and/or a DE rotator. We need atleast a pass rusher PLUS Porter’s replacement. Remember Parcells believes we will make playoffs every year and thus draft in the mid-20s or hopefully in the 30s for the foreseeable future what this means it is rare that drafting in this position you have the oppertunity to draft a true potential “game changer”. Also parcell looks for his “game changer” on defense though it is true they can be WRs or even RBs, defensive game changers are DL or LBers. This is one of those rare years where it MIGHT be possible to draft one of these “GCers” How? Because of the depth at DE/LB position AND depth at the Tackle position which is always a priority on draft day. First, hopefully 3 QBs get drafted before our pick(I am hoping Detroit drafts a non QB with #1 pick thus MAYBE forcing them to draft Freeman at 20 assumming both Stafford and Sanchez are off the board), the potential to have as many as 6 tackles in the first round(Monroe, Smith, Smith, Oher, Beatty, and Britten), 2 maybe 3 rbs(Wells, Moreno, and either McCoy or Davis), a TE, 3 CBs(Smith, Davis, and Jenkins), 4 WRS, 2 or maybe 3 DTs(Raji, Jerry, and maybe even Hood), 2 DEs or possibally as many as 5(Orakpo, Ayers and possables Johnson, Gilbert, and Jackson) so if things go well for us that means 23 to 31 players that are not DE/OB could be drafted before our pick obviously not all will be or could even be BUT this leaves 6 de/lbers with “game change” potential(Curry, Cushing, Mathews, Maualuga, Brown, and Laurinaitis) this is LEAVING OUT English and Barwin) So what position is most likely to have a potential “game changer” left for us to choose from? At wr I see 2 “GCers” and some maybe’s both Maclin and Crabtree will be gone then a slew of potential busts in Bey, Nicks, Harvin, Britt, Iglesias, and Williams, one or more will be available come the 56th pick of draft. At CB I see only 2 cbs I would draft at 25 Jenkins and Davis and both will be gone by then and then a slew of late 1st rounder/2nd rounders Smith, Smith, Moore, Allen, Butler, Byrd, Francies and 3 or 4 will be avalable to choose from at pick 44. So unless all 6 DE/LB(Curry, Cushing, Mathews, Maualuga, Brown, and Laurinaitis) are gone expect one of them to be our guy. Personally I want Maualuga, Cushing, Mathews, or Laurinaitis in that order with the 25th pick. With the 44th I want either D.J. Moore, Gilbert, Hood, S.Smith, A.Smith, Butler, Brace, or Britt(and even IF we get one of the 6 LBers and especially if Maualuga I’ll take either English or Barwin before all other choices. With the 56th pick I want any of the above mentioned CBs or Sintim unless we draft 2 LBers with first 2 choices. Don’t be surprised if we DO draft 2 LBers with the first 3 picks. We need a situational pass rusher(if Roth continues to start at OLB on run downs) PLUS a replacement for Porter after 2009 season.

top 3 picks(hopes)

25th – Maualuga, Cushing, Mathews(most likely)

44th – English, Barwin, D.J. Moore, A.Smith, Butler(best chance)

56th – Butler, Francies, Sintim(most likely IF only 1 LB drafted before this pick)

Parcells will draft what he believes is a potential game changer with the 25th pick for no other reason then you get few chances at them drafting in the mid-20s and later irregardless if we are loaded at that position or not :)

Blaze

by Blaze453 on Mar 7, 2009 12:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree wholeheartedly

LB’s need to be game changes in a 3-4 and the Phins have one (Porter) and he is getting older. It wouldn’t bother me if our first 3 picks were at LB. I think it is that important. Great LB’s make everyone else on defense better.

by ct1361 on Mar 7, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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