Grove's deal with Miami worth $29.5 million
by Matty I on Mar 3, 2009 12:52 PM EST
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PrintWell it was reported last night that Jake Grove was close to signing a 5 year deal with the Dolphins - a deal that would clearly define his role as the starting center. And sure enough, Grove's contract does just that.
Grove signed a 5 year, $29.5 million deal with the Dolphins that includes $14 million in guaranteed money, according to Adam Schefter. That's not money you pay to a back-up. Grove is clearly going to be Miami's starting center.
But you can't help but wonder what the Dolphins saw in Grove that made them willing to commit an average of $5.9 million per year to him rather than spend a little extra (an extra $1.6 million to be exact) on a younger, bigger, and probably better center in Jason Brown. Call me crazy here, but I'm skeptical of this move.
Of course, the contract is probably structured so that it's backloaded and Grove can be cut down the road if he doesn't play up to what this regime feels are his capabilities or if he can't hold up physically. But the fact still remains that for just $6 million more in guaranteed money, the Dolphins could have landed a bigger, younger, and better center.
Schefter, though, seems to like the signing - which does ease some of my doubt. Writes Schefter:
Now, in less than 12 months, the Dolphins have given a $57 million contract to offensive tackle Jake Long, a $42 million contract to Vernon Carey, a $25 million contract to Justin Smiley and a $29.5 million contract to Grove. Along with second-year guard Donald Thomas, whom Miami seems to be high on, this well could be the Dolphins’ starting offensive line this season...
...In one year, Miami has built one of football’s top young lines. It was not particularly cheap, but it will be highly effective.
What do you think of it?
(Hat tip to "SwimmingWithTheFishes" for his fanpost)
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Mr.LittleNicky "For the record, I'm straight, way to ugly to be gay"
stop being such debbie downer's lol
Grove seems like a good player from what I hear….i think we just improved bigtime at the center spot.
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I disagree, doesn't mean I am being a "debbie downer"
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I think it is only a let down because
He wasn’t the number one center out there but think about this way, We spent big money on probably the best fa tackle “Carey” and now picked up an upgrade to our center position. He will push satele to get better because he is out right given the position like brown would have been with a 7 mil / yr contract. I like the move, it gives them room to sign more players and they still improve their oline.
Not Cheap But Effective?
Come on! This is very expensive, getting close to 20-25% of the salary cap. For this kind of money, the Phins better be top 3 in rushing and bottom 3 in sacks allowed. They better be dominate. But I don’t see how they can be dominate when they don’t have a Top 5 player at any position. Long might get there eventually, but Smiley, Carey, and Grove are proven. Are they going to get any better? IMO, no.
Long is a top 5 LT
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
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The Pro Bowl is
Full of crap.
The Bills LT went to the Pro-Bowl when Ryan Clady did not.
That is an obvious red flag when comparing the stats/system/performance of above teams.
Take the probowl with a grain of salt.
Above said, Long and Clady both should have gone.
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by DolfinPhan on Mar 3, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you get goo'd for logical thinking lol
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We all know it's pretty much just a popularity contest,
Favre’s election to the game couldn’t have made it anymore obvious. That being said, a rookie making it still means something. He hasn’t been around all that long to win solely on publicity.
true
But Long is probably already a top 5 AFC LT. And he’ll be a top 5 LT in the entire NFL before long. His work ethic is impeccable and he has some damn good coaches helping to mold his tremendous physical talent.
I'm surprised they couldn't get him for cheaper
and why they waited so long to sign him if they really like him so much. Now we will always be asking the question: “If they were willing to spend this much, then why not Brown?”
we won't know unitl we see Grove play this season
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I'm sure they waited to sign him
because if they showed too strong an interest too early, then his agent would have hiked the price.
True, only time will tell.
I was just referring to the present, which I know is a little pointless.
obviously
they saw somehting in this guy that they like and think he will do well in the Fins system. He is big (what they were looking for) and has been looked at as an elite at his position (all-american and won the rimington trophy which goes to the nations best center).
i dont like the negative comments about this signing. the 3 guys in charge know what they are doing so i think we should trust them and be excited that we have an owner willing to spend money and the management to make the right moves.
i am really excited to see the running game next year. long will be better, smiley is back, carey is solid and the guys are high on donald thomas. plus we upgraded at center bc satele, although i like him, just wasnt cutting it against the big nose tackles.
I will wait until two a days
against Ferguson before I give him the thumbs up…..My first question would be what were his injuries? Could it be lack of offseason workouts? Lets get this kid in the weight room, get him in the best shape of his life and then coach em up…….For 30 million with 14 mil guranteed………somebody really liked this kid………
I like this a lot
I personally really like this deal. You can always say we could have had this or that but this will prove to be a great signing with the rest of our line. I am at ease looking ahead to the depth we will have next season .. we are no longer an injury away from cutting our offense in half because we can’t run up the gut.
It will make this draft very interesting … other than CB what would you consider a huge need? Kenny Brit anyone? lol
CB/NT are a must
and we will still need depth at FS/SS, CB, OLB, OT, and we could upgrade at WR (minor need)
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NT is more of a minor need than WO
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
I respectfully disagree
Finding our future NT has got to be a top priority. This defense doesn’t work without a very good nose. And if Ferguson ever went down, we’d be in trouble.
Wide receiver is a luxury. And though I’d love a true #1, I’d be fine going to war with what we got – especially if London is still improving.
i respectfully agree
with your disagreement. i would probably consider it the #1 need at this point, although I could probably be persuaded to go CB. If we could find our NT this year, and have him spell Ferguson, Ferguson would play better and the rookie could get some experience and be ready to start next year.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't see the need
Is Grove an upgrade over Satele? Probably. Is the reason the Phins were average in the run game all Satele’s fault? Doubtful. Nobody on the phins OL stood out as dominant, just like none stood out as awful.
I think a bigger need is CB, ILB, and NT. I would rather have spent the money on Bryant McFadden than on a center.
Depth is where the need is ....
The price for a good FA CB is a huge price to pay … I think this probably means the phins like the draft class coming out at the CB position more than the C position. I still don’t see a huge need at the NT position other than trying to get younger, the only time we had a problem last season was when ferg got hurt and Soliai was well suspended (which we still don’t know the reason why other than speculation)
Injuries happend to the O-Line last year and with someone like thomas and Smiley who have been hurt to address the line with the proper depth and not have a huge drop off that would be great.
Better Than.....
what Washington got out of Jason Taylor. They just released him for not wanting to participate in off-season workouts.
I think the signing will pan out greatly.
Hmmmm.....
The Jury’s out for me. He’s undoubtedly an effective player at his best, but he’s 29 and has a injury history that’s not entirely convincing either. I still reckon that Satele has what it takes (he can certainly play through injuries), so it’ll be interesting to see what plays out through OTAs and training camp.
For me the recent moves have been less convincing – for the money I’d rather have had Goodman back…….
In other Dolphin related news....
the first ever pink albino dolphin was sighted recently….seriously.
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 3, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I know that there is such thing as a pink Amazon River Dolphin but I read this was a Bottle nosed one thats crazy
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by Foy on Mar 3, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yah albino dolphins aren't common by any means
but they have popped up from time and time. I don’t know if it is the camera used to take this picture or the sunlight bouncing off of it, but that is a really, really pink dolphin.
If I recall right they have creepy red eyes, too….
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This Also....
convinces me that LineBacker will be the first pick for the team.
Outside LineBacker to be precise. They will upgrade over Matt Roth instantly.
I was thinking this convinces me that cornerback will be the first pick
So – I think that all this does is eliminate C as an option – but OLB, CB, NT, WR are all still options I suppose.
CB is now the biggest need on the team
They have to address this in either FA or the draft. But I don’t know how they can do it in FA now.
They can pick up a 2nd tier kind of player for cheap … I also see it as a huge need but it doesn’t mean that is what they will use with our first pick if they feel they can get a solid CB with our 2nd or 3rd pick
Agreed
I never thought that the first pick in the draft would be anything other than LB. The phins still need another ILB to play next to Crowder. And in a 3-4, you can never have too many OLB. But I do think that CB has moved way up the list. The quality of starters and depth on the current roster is not very good.
Leigh Bodden would be a great start
You sign him and then draft a corner in round 2.
But I don’t think this front office is going to do that.
I would have disagreed with you a week ago,
but losing Goodman really hurt. He was solid. All we can do is pray that Jason Allen needed 4 years to break out, but how likely is that? Still, I’d like to see a coverage OLB before a CB.
AAARRRRGGGGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(reposting from other Jake Grove thread)
Matty, what the hell?!! Are you bipolar??
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Seriously, you just wrote this big article about how the front office is doing things right, that they know how to build a team, and how they have forgotten more about football than you will ever know. How can you second guess them now, when they have a plan and you only have a partial picture?
C’mon, it can’t be coincidence that every Raiders 1st rounder plays below his ability! It’s not just poor talent evaluation. Only Wanny can accomplish a feat like that! The Raiders are a screwed up team… a complete mess. i would bet that any player who leaves the Raiders to play for a halfway decent team (and i emphasize the word TEAM), will immediately play orders of magnitude better. Grove is atheletic and position flexible. He may not be as big as we were expecting, but he is a definite upgrade to Satele. He has a mean streak, and will fight to the second level… reminds me a bit of Mawae, the way he used to get his hands all over Zach and frustrate him. Mawae is 6-4, 289. Grove is 6-4, 300. He’s big enough. He just needs to play on a line with good coaching and that actually plays well together.
I also think that guys primarily get injured when they are poorly conditioned AND when they get frustrated and try to play outside of their role. There are always things that "just happen", but I view Jake as a guy who is passionate and frustrated with losing, and was trying to take the line problems his shoulders.
I have always liked Jake Grove, and was sorry when we didn’t get him in the draft, and evern sorrier to see him wasting away on the frakin Raiders. I’ll bet the Trifecta actually have done their homework on this one and I think you are going to be surprised.
As always, JMO. That and 3 and a half bux at starbucks will getcha a cup of what they claim is coffee.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
also, in answer to your question about dollars
Two relevant facts:
First, the have a pay scale for each lineman. There is flexibility within each position, but to maintain team chemistry (and where but the o-line is it most important), they couldn’t just bring in a guy like Brown and pay him a bunch more than Smiley. They have the value for Center and Brown was outside of it.
Second, this is a position that can be drafted low and developed. Which, unless I am completely missing the Parcells model, is exactly what they want to do. So they can get by with having Jake play center, and move him to guard if needed, while they are developing a later round guy.
IMO
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
$$$$
The money seems ridiculously high, unless its weighted significantly on the back end. I trust the trifecta to know what they are doing.
Value of Satele?
With the Grove and Berger signings, I wonder what Satele would fetch in a trade?
by Patrick Bateman79 on Mar 3, 2009 2:08 PM EST reply actions
He could be on the market .. I would say maybe a 3rd or fourth … just a guess. I don’t see them getting rid of him for anyless
I would definitely do it for a third. Last draft the Trifecta turned a 3rd into Kendall Langford.
by Patrick Bateman79 on Mar 3, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Ravens and Raiders
Trade him to the Ravens or Raiders. They’re in need and will give us the most value.
i'd take em all to camp
and see who earns the starting G spot.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
6th or 7th if that
The phins are trying to trade a guy coming off an injury that the front office did not think was very good to begin with.
he is a starting C who just doesn’t fit their style of offense … Baltimore comes to mind with a huge whole they have at the C position now … Cam Cam drafted him and a 3rd would be a steal for a starting C who knows the offense
Agreed
But you could probably get Unger in round 3. Everyone on this site thinks that would be an upgrade over Satele and it would be cheaper. If you could get a 3rd, 4th, or 5th round pick for Satele, you have to jump at it. I just don’t see it happening.
I was High on Unger
He played two years as a left tackle and two as a center both spots very well too
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He is a better center than tackle though
I don’t think he has the footspeed to be a good starter in the NFL though
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I seriously doubt Satele will be traded
unless the FO make out like bandits in the deal. We finally have very good depth at the O-line, and Satele will likely be a starter. I think they are happy with our current O-line, and I don’t think we’ll see any changes made to it except the possible drafting of a young right tackle or a trade of Ndukwe/Alleman.
I agree with the move!
Groves might have had some injury issues…but with the New Regime’s attitude for being in the best shape of their lives when being a Fin…injuries occur LESS (Look at the amount of injuries in 2007 vs 2008)!
+ Satele is good enough to start on many teams…we now have quality & depth at that critical position!
I trust the New Regime!!
They obviously did not want to obtain a center through the draft….will address other needs…hopefully a big powerful receiver to compliment Ginn’s speed!
Spurt
Have we shot our wad in FA? Does anyone know where we stand in Salary Cap after these FA signings? I’m jumping on the MauMau bandwagon, no matter what it takes to get us there.
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But Can he????
The ONLY question I want to know is can he keep Vincent Wilfork at bay long enough for the Chads to fire off some rounds? If he can, than I’ll welcome him in with open arms, if not, it’s back to the drawing board.
Do you guys think he has the aggression and strength to last 4 quarters with a beast like Wilfork?
Was Wilfork a problem?
The phins scored a combined 66 points against the pats last year. I don’t remember Wilfork giving them that big a problem. Am I missing something?
I do remember in the 2nd game how our DB’s couldn’t cover their WR’s. I also remember Cassel eating a sandwich when he went back to pass because no one was getting close to pressuring him. CB and rush LB are bigger needs than C.
Well...
48 of those points came from the introduction of the wildcat so that stat is a bit skewed. I agree with you though, but needless to say we have to counter players like Wilfork with our own Mauler.
Right???
I guess
Really good NT are always going to stalemate really good centers. It is just a matter of size. NT generally run 360 lbs plus. C about 300. Plus, few if any run blocking schemes require a C to man up on a NT. A Center usually works with a guard to get to an ILB. It is the NT job to consume as many OL as possible to let the LB run and make tackles.
I don’t think Satele, Grove, or even Brown changes that fact.
I don't know what NT you've been watching that are 360 lbs plus.
Vince Wilfork 325 lbs
Kris Jenkins 349 lbs
Haloti Ngata 340 lbs
Casey Hampton 325 lbs
Jamal Williams 348 lbs
I don’t mean to nit pick, but 360 and up is quite a stretch
by picklescapone on Mar 3, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
The fridge?
Maybe? Nahh, he was 410.261 lbs
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by Patrick Bateman79 on Mar 3, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions
Now this makes me wonder
Yes with the money we gave him there is no doubt that he will be the starte,but I still think Samson may have a shot at being the center in the future,I think with this signing we are giving Samson more time to groom just an opinion.I think if we drafted Mack or Unger then Samson would have to worry about his future with the team,but this is a 5 year deal so who knows.
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Injuries
I don’t like Grove’s injury history. He can be the most talented guy in the world, but not if he’s in the training room on Sundays.
Were you around last year?
We had very few injuries all season, probably the fewest in the league (too lazy to look it up, just take my word for it!… am I turning into Salguero??)
This regime’s conditioning program will keep Grove nice and healthy.
Is it safe to label
…..the Samoan experiment as an utter failure?
I dont know Samson played well his rookie season but,
could it have been that our o-line was really that bad and he was the only one who stood out.He did play with the injury last season too so I really dont know the true effect it had on his playing.
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by Foy on Mar 3, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think you have to label it a failure...
Satele looks like another wasted 2nd round pick. I don’t necessarily believe that, but the trifecta does. I didn’t think Satele was that bad. But this regime has tried to replace him for months now, even back in the season.
I don't just mean Satele
I mean the whole crew that R Mueller had imported from the Pacific. Satele, Mauia, Soliai, and the other off. tackles they picked up then cut.
by picklescapone on Mar 3, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
HORRIBLE signing
Was management hungover from the night before and decided to give out a crap contract?
Why the hell didn’t we just pony up an extra 1.6M and got Brown who’s younger, better, healthier, and a SAFER pick.
I think that to label it horrible
…..is a bit premature. Questionable? possibly. Horrible? Only time will tell. I think once we see the results we can then be able to judge.
by picklescapone on Mar 3, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Horrible might be a strong term...
but I don’t agree with the signing. Signings are based on need and $$. I don’t think a C was a big need, actually way down on the list, it was a luxury. I also don’t think Grove has done anything worthy of that payday. It not like he is a Pro Bowl player. He is an average, injury prone center. If you were to list the top 5 centers in the league, would grove be in that group? He isn’t in my list.
That's because you don't know him.
The raiders FO desperately wanted him to resign. A center can only look so good if the Left and Right guards are attrocious.
grove is a good player. being on the west coast, i have watched more raiders games than is healthy
for one’s sanity. If he is really over the injuries (he sounds pretty confident that this is the case… listen to the radio clip husker posted), he is going to really elevate the play of the entire line.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
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Jake Grove is a hard worker and a very solid performer when healthy.
I would be scared of his microfracture surgery. It is the same thing that plagued Jeremy Newberry for years.
I have always been a fan of Grove’s and your backs will love his blocking skills.
It seems like a bit much, then again, Al Davis may have been trying to make the him the highest paid Center of All-Time to keep him, so you had to step up.
Was Satele that bad?
But when they start scheming us the way these guys did, and we weren't particularly ready for it, anything can happen."
by Raymond St. Martin (Saint) on Mar 3, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions
What's up Saint
No Satele was not bad at all – I would say that he was somewhat ordinary and Sparano wants a more aggressive guy to spike our running game. We had a few injury problems with our guard that basically hurt some production potenial but I think they still wanted more agression.
Plus I think the writing is on the wall that Satele will be traded for a nice pick, probably anywhere from a 2nd to a 4th.
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i hear good things…and thank u for the scouting report thats cool. Satelle was ok at times…he played injured all last season we found out, but i can see him as a real nice guard with mobility.
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obviously
the trifecta knows something we dont. thats why they get paid the big bucks. apparently they see something in Grove they like that no one else does. its a lot of money but who cares. we got other things to worry about…CB, WR, OLB. those are IMPACT positions that we need serious help on.
Why are people so down on WR?
We have a ton of young talent, with even a little bit of depth.
Ginn, Camarillo, Bess, and now London will be thrown in… an early pick on WR is a wasted pick.
Hmmm maybe we should try moving Jason Allen to wideout if we draft a corner? He is already great at separation LOL
The only reason I'm down on WR talent
is that there is no leadership among them.
Chad P is a general, but he isn’t a lieutenant of WR. We have no leaders who can show the young guys what to do or how to do it.
Maybe I’m not giving enough credit to the WR coach. Anyway you look at it you want a player who can look up to another player whose been there, and whose done that .
That is why I wanted Housh.
I know Penny can use Ginn, Rillo, and Bess to the best of his ability, but if he goes down can Henne? That’s tough to decide.
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You make some interesting points.
Maybe Wilford will actually step up after spending a year on the bench. I read that he and Jason Allen have been working hard so far this offseason.
It's no surprise
For most of us, this isn’t the favorite signing of our offseason. Let’s face it, Carey, Crowder and the bash brothers at Safety can be seen as a key part to our future. I knew very little of Grove in the past, and there is the concerns with him, especially the large contract and his size and injury being kept in mind. However there are a couple of things we can learn from this and to keep in mind when evaluating this transaction ..
1. The trifecta obviously thought this was a safer pick than Mack and Unger in the Draft. Perhaps the fact that for example if Unger had trouble with Raji in the Senior bowl then he obv. would not be ready to step in and handle the NT’s of the AFC East. Mack may be a safer pick, and available but perhaps the trifecta had different plans with our round 1 pick. Rather than put all the eggs in one basket they decided to get the best guy available.
2. Him and Satele are interchangable. This allows both players to prove there best for a starting position. This may in turn allow us to see 2 excellent Center’s which will help our depth or perhaps move them along the line.
3. They were worried about Jason Brown or just missed out on him. Maybe they saw something they didn’t like. Maybe they just couldn’t afford him. Parcells is a god but there are also 31 other teams, he can’t always get the guy he wants.
This could be a bad decision or a great one… like our other signings as well… only time will tell.
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Grove's size should not be an issue
Jake Grove 6-4, 300lbs
Pro Bowl Center Shaun O’Hara
6-3, 303lbs
Pro Bowl Center Kevin Mawae
6-4, 289lbs
Pro Bowl Center Nick Mangold
6-4, 300lbs
Just for Reference.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
This signing
reminds me a bit of the Ernest Wilford signing on steriods…. I was one of the few who dissaproved that signing, stating that hes simply a scrub and we only overpaid for him because he was the only guy left that fit their description of the position.
Similar situation here, but this is slightly different because Grove is a former 2nd round pick and #1 overall center taken, so his talent is probably top notch. Sparano will have his hands full to turn this guy and his innate talent into a stud. I like those odds.
just a heads up....
I just put up a Jake Grove Audio Interview on WQAM fanshot…….maybe take a few minutes, go listen to it and then decide. If you don’t want to jump the links, just go to fanshots.
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nice!
i liked him before and i like him now. classy of him not to diss the Raiders, even though the suck butt nuggets.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Draft
I think we should go CB, I say if a guy like Vontae Davis falls to us we jump on it because Roth had 5 sacks and 2 FF last year, no horrible numbers not to mention our LBs are more solid than CB with Porter, and Crowder, plus Aydele isn’t bad and we just signed Wake so I think we should give him a chance to see what he can do. We really don’t have another CB and Allen isn’t getting any younger.
I still have my doubts
why pass on a better younger Center if you’re gonna give a guy a big payday
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
doubt away thomas.
we will just have to wait a few months to find out.
;)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 3, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno, guys.
It’s not Grove per se I object to. It’s the money. That’s a lot of money for a player like Grove (injury history, etc.). I mean, I don’t think we were exactly in a bidding war for the guy. Was anybody else even after him?
OTOH, maybe the Trifecta knows something about Smiley’s health that I don’t, and they’re hedging their bets — get another center, move Samson to Smiley’s spot if needed.
here's the thing...
because of the cap situation, all prorated money must be accounted for by the end of the 2012 season. That means that in reality, this might be a three year deal. the trifecta seem to be bringing in a mix of guys that can solidify the team for the short term while they draft guys to develop for the long term.
Grove is probably not really a “long term” answer at C. That guy will probably come in this or next year’s draft.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 4, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
If you want to know something about Jake G
you gotta listen to this… it’s reminds me a bit of listening to the Smiley interview last year, except a bit more serious. :)
oh, and rec the post if you like it.
-LCFF
could have been Matt Birk for much less...
Grove signed a 5 year, $29.5 million deal
Matt Birk’s contract is worth $12 million over four years
Birk earned Pro Bowl berths in 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2007.
Grove’s no Matt Birk.
Yeah
but Birk is way over the hill- how many years can he really play at a high level? He will be 33 by next season- so maybe he has 2-3 years left?
"Right now he’s got to be one of the best players in America. He’s got the best first step . . .What he did to prepare for that game is what legends are made of." Urban Meyer on Percy Harvin
Lonely Leader of the Percy Harvin Bandwagon.
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