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Good post at the Sun-Sentinel today. Here are some numbers on Jake Grove courtesy of ESPN's KC Joyner:

Grove's Point-of-attack winning percentage: 90.6%
Yards per rush behind Grove: 6.2
Went one-on-one with defender: 67.5% of the time - more than Matt Birk (39.9%) and Jason Brown (60.3%).

That gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling!

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This smells like a nice big I told you so :D

by joel311 on Mar 27, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Those are nice

That 6.2 per rush is great. Couple that with 2 solid OG’s, and we may have found the missing link to our power running offense

by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 27, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If this were high school,

I’d have a notebook covering my crotch.

by joel311 on Mar 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I think people are forgetting

The trifecta is very big on the weight room and conditioning. Last year we lost very few many games due to injury, and this is a direct result of their work in the weight room. One of the biggest knocks on Grove is his innability to stay healthy, so hopefully with a few months with the staff, he can be in his finest physical shape yet.

by JakeLong77 on Mar 27, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i am not surprised

i said from the beginning that i liked this kid, and that he was an upgrade over satele. he’s a good player.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 27, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting and impressive

"We're paratroopers Lieutenant, we're supposed to be surrounded." -Major Richard Winters-
"Creator of the(pie in the sky) trade our 1st one of our 2nds and two of our 7th rounders and "draft B. J. Raji" bandwagon On board Matty I's Besswagon On board L Nicky 21s Brandwagon

by uncle finster on Mar 27, 2009 12:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ditto!

25th pick - Clay Mathews LB USC
44th pick - Alphonso Smith cb Wake Forest
56th pick - Clint Sintim LB Virginia
86th pick - Fili Moala DT USC

by Blaze453 on Mar 27, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good post

I’ve trashed Jake Grove as much as anyone, but those numbers do look nice.

Of course, I will just say that those were put up in a zone blocking system which he only played in for one year and will not be playing in when he comes here.

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by PhinPhan in MA on Mar 27, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I'd like to say

“I told you so”, I’m not going to. Because..

As amazing as these numbers seem, and as big an upgrade he now appears to be (when healthy), we still have to take extreme note of that last bit I placed in parentheses: dude has to stay healthy for us. That was the only knock I couldn’t find a way to fully argue when we brought him in while deliberating whether or not I believed this to be a good signing. Now having said that, it’s fairly well documented how strong our offseason training and conditioning program is. Freak accidents do occur to linemen, but we have a great line coach and a head coach with a history coaching lines. Coaching Grove on technique that allows him to minimize his injury risk should help alleviate some of those concerns. So, while it’s not safe to put the injury concerns to bed, it’s time to be more optimistic about the signing. I for one already was, and now I’m even more so after having read the “measurables” of his play. I’m glad to see some of you are coming around as well.

Man, can’t even imagine how good a healthy Grove would be with a healthy Smiley and a healthy, improved, more experienced Thomas by his sides..

Just a bit unfortunate that such an occurrence would likely inflate Parcells’ ego even further! Haha, I for one don’t want to see Bill justify letting Brown go because he thinks he can pluck a running back and make him fit the system successfully because of the line the trifecta have built. But that’s just me, and that’s all for another day.

by Dave.Phuller on Mar 27, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well said

it’s all paper potential at this point. i must revert to the same argument i had for the nay-birds…. “We don’t know, we must wait and see”.

=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post!

Somebody said about being in a zone blocking scheme even so they said how he was on his own 67.5% of the time so that proves he can beat one on one blocks for the most part and that he wins 90% of his battles he played against all of our AFC east NT which are huge and there the ones that gave satele so much problem if someone could fine out about how he did completly against afc east NT that would be awesome and also thank about how bad we got dominated by the ravens NT hopefully he will stay healthy and does for this team like sparano and CO. thanks he can do also does anyone know what CC contract is for i know its for 3 yrs but cant find out anything else!

by MF_34 on Mar 27, 2009 4:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

doesnt

this conflict w/ the football outsiders info that you posted that the raiders were very poor rushing up the middle when he was in there?

by YatilGinnJr on Mar 27, 2009 5:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no, because that measure the entire interior line.

grove may have played well individually, and as a group they stil sucked.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

and I didn’t post it – another “naysayer did”

those OL stats on Football Outsiders aren’t a good way to measure individual linemen, but rather is a way to measure the unit as a whole.

by Matty I on Mar 27, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great post

"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"

-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic

by Patssuck456 on Mar 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah this looks good I seen this in the espn mag the other day

makes me feel alot better now

Ahhhh Ta Ta Ta Ta Bye Bye Foy518

by Foy on Mar 27, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

awesome

maybe the trifecta KNEW this all along?

smoking rally bowls for the phins since 2002! oh and screw the jets

by badjah on Mar 27, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

noooooooooooooo

you really think Parcells and Ireland knew this when they made their decision? that’s crazy. only ESPN had this info.

by Matty I on Mar 27, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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