I just think Satele is so vaulable as their 6th OLman shrugs

yea, hope we got a first day pick for him

Didn’t see that coming. I think this brings us back to drafting a C so we can add depth. Also solidifies that Grove is starting.

I thought Samson would have made a great Guard for us. Able to pull, able to take on the blocks. And, like you said Matty, he would have been able to serve as insurance for Grove.

Hopefully we got a good pick for him. I would have to think we did, because there really wasn’t any reason to trade him.

I just posted a fan post with trade ideas. The Satele rumors got me thinking.

I’d be happy with the Raider’s fourth. Anything lesser would seem like they got a good deal. Anything more would be incredible for us.

iam really dissapointed in this i thought we would keep him as insurance for the C spot and G spot we had mad injurys here and he could of really help us out the trifecta said you can never have to many o line men and he was costing us pretty much nothing wat the hell we better of got a 3rd for this but knowing davis we could of pulled of a 2nd but i doubt it it will proably be a 3rd or 4th “hopefully”

I know Parcells and company pick well, but Samson was already a proven commodity. It really really irks me how they won’t use anyone they didn’t pick themselves. Talk about glory hogs. These guys would trade away Ronnie Brown if they could.

there has to be some truth to that….but he is a finesse player……all the guys we have on line are big beefy smashmouthers…..is that a word…….. and satele is not….

i thought satele was going to be a great center….he still may be….apparently not with the phins though

Maybe they could grab Duke Robinson. We’d have the biggest, baddest O/line in the league at that point. Then, still fill all the other holes.

….nobody here has been talkin’ about drafting offensive linemen with the first few picks but i think it’s outta the question………

I am not against this move and thought this would be happening the moment the Grove signing happend. During the season last year I read many things and watched interviews of Samson that seemed like he didn’t fit in well … I don’t think he was a Parcells type of player.

This does hurt our depth a bit but maybe they like what they got in Berger. It will be interesting to see how high the pick is because if its their 3rd round pick I will be stoked.

I’m a little shocked. I figured Satele would be around as a back-up. We have a lot of holes, we need picks. Also I hate to lose Satele because he had cool hair.

I figgered they’d keep Satele too, at last for another season.

more of a package deal, maybe trade our 4th and Satele and move up to their 2nd(#40) That would be awesome, maybe still able to get Mack or Unger at that pick.

Satele didnt play well(and i said well, not good) last year. Most of us where saying this all year long. The inclution of the Wildcat was impart because of him and his inhability to open holes for the running game. Maybe the trifecta has another Donald Thomas in the brewing. Lets see what is gona happen in Draft day.

Maybe they saw that Satale would never overcome his injury, or he flat out didn’t fit the scheme of things. If they get a 3rd or 4th round pick this will give us a good shot at a high quality lineman, while still having the picks to get a CB, DT, and WR if we wanted to. I don’t know who had the John Mack, or Max Unger bandwagons but they are picking up steam!!!

He’s got the athleticism and tthe mobility to be one, he’d be a solid fit in an zone blocking scheme, poor Sampson now his talent will be wasted there, I hope he’s got a good backup plan for his next career.

Now our OL depth is shot to shit, this means we’’l take a few interior OL I guess.

I hope we got at least a 3rd rounder out of him.

I’m a blogger over at Silver & Black Pride and would pleased if any of you folks could provide an objective opinion of Satele. I’ve read here so far a lot of varying opinions from he stinks to a highly valuable player.

The Raiders are running the ZBS and require a quick, smart and agile center. Some of the reasons the Raiders let Grove was because of the money he was asking, durability concerns and the constant domination from Jamal Williams of the Chargers.

It would be good to know how well Satele did against the leagues defensive lines other than New England and the Jets.

Thanks and appreciate any insight.

Satele is a solid center. Not particularly quick or strong but rather adequate. I think our side wanted a little more aggression in the running game and that’s why they made the change.

Alex Mack, C, California

he doesnt fit what they do….4th rd or better is gonna be a nice player for him.

Grove and a mid rd pick 4 Satelle…..thats how this regime works. thatll end up being a steal

The Raiders get a consistent solid starter for a ‘pick’ and we overpay for Grove, seems like a pretty bone headed exchange to me.

Sounds like a girl I once knew ;-)

but
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/23/ross-stays-in-miami/

Ross is sick and missing meetings….what if he died? that wouldnt be good.

and the Phins take Dallas Reynolds 6-4 309 5.28 BYU to replace Satele
Basically its a trade of Jake Grove and cap space for Satele and Dallas Reynolds, if so I’ll take it!

as DolphDallas mentioned: Satele for a 6th rounder.

On paper – key phrase guys – this sounds like we practically gave Satele away.

I had no illusions about him returning a 2nd round pick or whatever.

However a 4th round pick seemed like a fair return on our investment.

Trading away a 2nd round pick from a mere 2 years ago for a 6th rounder sounds a bit, well, disappointing. Not to mention the guy we signed, Grove, has had an unfortunate history of injury problems.

This may be a brilliant move actually but right now it leaves me scratching my head :(

and no one else is. Y’all are setting yourselves up for dissapointment.

wes welker turns into a 2nd round pick (satele), which turns into the raiders 6th rounder? ouch

anything below a fourth would have made no sense,,, but fourth sounds ideal.

Oakland will receive a sixth-round pick and the two sides will swap selections in an undisclosed round, a source close to the situation told ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson.

Maybe, just maybe the FO has little faith in his recovery.
I havn’t heard that he even had surgery… but I know a torn Labrum when rehabbing correctly, could take 5 months. Maybe he has poor flexibility to begin with and there is little hope he’ll ever get back to 100%.

Does anyone have an injury update on him….

On the flip, I sure hope GRove Wowed the doctors with his physical.

Satele wasn’t that bad. Is Grove any better? Seems like we traded for an old guy at millions and a young guy for pennies on the dollar.

Center has to be a priority in the draft. Possible 2nd round, but WR and CB are really big needs.

What does Brandon London think about this???

I’ve never seen so many people this distraught over losing a back up offensive lineman.

I did a bit of looking around after this and I just think he has some physical limitations that the triad thought he wouldn’t be able to overcome. Even if he were to bulk up- his arms aren’t going to grow any longer. His 30.75" arms are something I think that are a big hinderance- look at the measurements for DTs from this years combine- he is giving up 2-3" of reach to most of those guys. He just doesn’t cut it for what we are asking him to do even at guard. I always heard he had short arms but that is Matt Roth/T-Rex-ish.

It just seems like a sign they would rather groom a higher upside- less physically limited guy they pick up later in the draft or even as an UDFA than use a roster spot on a guy where they already know (and aren’t impressed with) his ceiling.

That being said- I think he was worth more than a 6th rounder- I hope we swapped picks with them at least in a decent round if RZ’s update is true.

my friends, Is there more action to come….?

Who’s next? Beck, Porter, Roth?

so we basically turned a almost 5th rd pick into the 8th pick of the 4th….thats no small deal.

we have a pick in every rd now.

we have 2 in the 2nd and 7th rds

in the 4th rd pick we pick 18 spots early

if you feel bad about what we have done i must be missing something…Satelle is decent, for a team that plays to his strenghts….we play to his weakness. Bravo to how they have built this draft since they got here

would be a good pick up now. #56? Versatile OL player.

in a yr or two ur gonna look around and the entire roster will be over 6’4 and kicking peoples asses….if u arent what they want they will get what they want in the draft.

BUILDING THROUGH THE DRAFT….cant just say it you gotta do it. a high 4th rd pick center from these guys will kick Satelles ass i bet…watch

though I think Satele gets the short stick on the evaualtion of his play. He started both yrs in league, is young, and he played through a torn labrim and had back up guards on both sides of him all year. I thought he was valuable as the 6th OLman but a 6th and the trade up helps our draft situation shrugs

and DAMMIT… I gotta change my sig

and DAMMIT… I gotta change my sig

After thinking hard about this a 6th and a swap isn’t all that bad. Is it the best probably not but he was going to be a backup and maybe the trifecta likes Berger, Murphy as a backup better than Satele in that type of role. Either way it wasn’t a great return on our 2nd round pick but moves like this will happen … here is to Jake Grove our new starting C

Parcells Inc. didn’t feel like Satele fit their scheme or their blueprint at all. It makes very little sense to have a backup center who can’t execute what you’re trying to do. So there was really 2 options with Satele.
A) cut him.
B) trade him.

Let’s not have illusions that he’s worth a first day pick, because he hasn’t played well enough for that value. So to jump up 18 spots in the 4th, and add a 6th, while only giving up a guy who the FO and coaches don’t want on the field is solid.

And we don’t need to suddenly look at our roster and freak out about depth at center, because I’m pretty sure we’ll be taking more OL on day 2 of the draft, and possibly even taking a Mack or Unger or Wood on day 1. But the center/guard class is DEEP this year, and you can find a quality backup with a pretty high ceiling late in the draft.

The guy we seem to be forgetting about is Andy Alleman. He’s a center/guard, and logged some starts last season. He wasn’t a world beater, but he was decent, especially for a guy thrust into the lineup because of injuries. So who knows how the draft will shake out. We could take a 1st Day guard like Duke Robinson or Herman Johnson, slide Alleman over to backup C, and the depth improves. We could keep Alleman at guard, draft Antoine Caldwell with our 4th rounder, and the depth instantly improves. Shawn Murphy, who was drafted as a project player, not an immediate starter, could be a year improved and add some depth to the guard position. We have some young peices, and I believe we’ll be adding more soon. The bottom line is that everyone we have fits the blueprint that Parcells/Ireland/Sparano put together. Maybe Satele is better overall than (insert draft pick here), but if (insert draft pick here) is better fit for what we’re doing, then he’s the guy I want.

Ew to Duke Robinson..otherwise, Amen. Especially to the ‘Antoine Caldwell with the fourth’ idea.

fair trade, I was expecting a third though.

That fourth round pick will be lower than 104th due to compensatory picks at the end of round 3.

Jeff Ireland spoke.

adda boy Jeff.

I dunno. Seeing a young lineman get traded is just weird to me. He just wasn’t big enough. Hope Grove proves to be an upgrade

Samson may have been a dissenting voice in the locker. I doubt it but I don’t know the guy. They may have just figured he’s not powerful enough to get a push at center or guard so move him. It was pretty clear he was gone when they brought in Berger to back up Center.

I bet this isn’t the last draft pick we add this year, any guesses on the next to be dealt?

why wouldn’t he go before the draft though? Porter would probably net the highest pick but I highly doubt a 1st rounder.
They already stated Pennington is the starter so he won’t be traded.
Oh and I like your draft though as a typical fan I’d love to see a playmaking WR

Yah, I’d say LB is about the only 1st day lock in this draft and judging from Cameron Wake’s contract he’s at least competing for the starting job with the 1st LB taking in the draft. So that leaves Roth or Porter as expendable.
I have mix feeling at QB, I’d really like to see Henne get some playing time this year and Pennington’s value probably hasn’t been higher in the last 5 years, but he did right by us last year and is clearly the leader on offense so him being traded seem highly unlikely to me.
I was really hoping we’d get a higher pick for Samson and still hope another 2nd or 3rd fall into our laps – as you said trade down my be the best way to do that.

so if we see him playing well next year, I really don’t want to hear people talk about how it was such a bad move. Satele is built for the Zone scheme that they run out there, and his quickness and ability to get down to the second level will help him to play well in that offense. But the big thing is that, while he’s great for the zone scheme, he’s not very good in the power scheme. Just trying to make sure everyone understands this before we get “Bad move trading Satele, look at how good he is!” comments halfway through next year.

right. Who is your starting center because i heard that Satele will end up like Kawme Harris did with us last year

but I can’t help feeling sorry for him. It’s sad to see him go after he played through an injury last year. I was looking forward to seeing our offensive line of Long, Satele, Grove, Thomas, Carey. Ah well.

help us get our offensive line up, good to hear that he played through an injury i like toughness

is a good coach, made us win two games in a row when the season for us was over so imagne us with a new season fresh,young ,talented players coming in to take over.