Who was the worst draft pick in Dolphins' history?
by Matty I on Mar 17, 2009 12:15 AM EDT
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PrintThe NFL Draft is an inexact science to say the least. And because of that, all organizations can create a list of "misses" in the draft. So what I wanted to do today is to lay out a brief list of misses by the Dolphins and then ask you all which pick was the worst draft pick in Dolphins' history.
But first, two disclaimers. First off, we're only looking at draft picks from the first two rounds of the draft. And second, you'll notice that there are a few players not included on this list. Yatil Green isn't on it because of how his career went downhill. Injuries are something you can't predict. So I'm not going to hold that pick against the Dolphins. Also, players who are still young (Jason Allen, John Beck - to name a few) aren't listed because their careers are far from defined.
Onto the list:
2003 - LB Eddie Moore (2nd round pick, 49th overall)
It's bad enough that Moore hasn't played in an NFL game since 2005 - meaning his career essentially lasted just three seasons. But then to know that the Dolphins could have drafted (and from what we now know, we're very close to drafting) Anquan Boldin - who went just 5 picks later - it's hard to not call this pick a failure of epic proportions. Moore played in 18 games as a Dolphin and totaled 35 tackles. Boldin, meanwhile, has 502 career receptions for 6,496 yards, and 40 touchdowns in his first six career seasons.
2001 - CB Jamar Fletcher (1st round pick, 26th overall)
This pick didn't even make sense at the time. The Dolphins had two outstanding corners already on the team (Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain). They also desperately needed a quarterback and Drew Brees was still on the board. But the Fins took Fletcher, who spent just three seasons in Miami and picked up 2 interceptions and 10 pass defelctions, over Brees. And if the Dolphins really wanted a cornerback badly, Ken Lucas and Fred Smoot were both still available and were drafted a few picks later. Oh - and Reggie Wayne was also still on the board, too.
1998 - RB John Avery (1st round pick, 29th overall)
Yes - the Dolphins needed a running back. But Avery wasn't even considered a 1st round talent coming out of college. Apparently, the Dolphins thought he was - and were wrong. Avery played in just 29 career games in the NFL - 17 for the Dolphins. As a Dolphin, Avery amassed just 503 yards rushing.
1995 - OT Billy Milner (1st round pick, 25th overall)
You may not remember this offensive tackle out of Houston - and that's probably because he only played in the NFL for three seasons. Yes - the Dolphins spent a first round pick on a player who would be out of the NFL in just three years. Oh, and Derrick Brooks was drafted just 3 picks after Milner.
1994 - LB Aubrey Beavers (2nd round, 54th overall)
Perhaps the Dolphins passed on Derrick Brooks because they thought they had their stud outside linebacker in Beavers, an OLB out of Oklahoma. But again, Beavers was another draft pick who was out of football after just three years, playing in 39 career NFL games and starting in Miami just 11 times.
1992 - DT Eddie Blake (2nd round pick, 43rd overall)
Here's a good one - this big defensive tackle out of Auburn never played in an NFL game and was out of football in just two years. Solid investment, huh?
1989 - RB Sammie Smith (1st round pick, 9th overall)
Here's a situation where the Dolphins reached out of need and it backfired. They needed a running back and spent the 9th overall pick on Sammie Smith. Smith played in 41 games as a Dolphin and totaled 1,881 rushing yards and had a 3.5 ypc average for his career. And Smith would be out of football in just four years - a top 10 draft pick out of football in four years.
1988 - DE Eric Kumerow (1st round, 16th overall)
This pass rusher out of Ohio State played just three seasons with the Dolphins, amassed 5 career sacks, and then never played in an NFL game again.
1987 - DE John Bosa (1st round, 16th overall)
I guess the Dolphins felt like they had to take another DE in '88 because their 1st round pick in '87 - John Bosa - was a failure. Bosa played in 31 career games and totaled 7 sacks. And, yes, he was out of football in just 3 years.
So which pick was the worst? Cast your vote and then tell us your thoughts.
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My vote goes to Fletcher-
I’ll never forget. . .“this pick is a Brees”. Only if you have a brain though. . .
Like you said- it didn’t even make sense because it wasn’t a need while QB was a gaping hole on the roster. It still baffles me to this day. This might be one of the worst picks of all time, never mind just for the Dolphins. Even the Chargers have found a true franchise QB after blowing it with Ryan Leaf – who is synonymous with the word bust, so you could definitely make an argument that it is on that kind of level.
"Right now he’s got to be one of the best players in America. He’s got the best first step . . .What he did to prepare for that game is what legends are made of." Urban Meyer on Percy Harvin
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The Fletcher pick
Still haunts my dreams.
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Hey!
It HAS to be John Bosa because the only reason he was drafted was because his name started with the letter “B.” They wanted to restart the Killer B’s LOL! That was pathetic.
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LOL-
its not negativity Mau- its just a reminder of how good we have it now! The old Dolphins draft system is gone (ie put them all in a hat- pick three because you’ll probably lose a couple. . . whichever one you find in your pocket first on draft day is the winner!). We have scouts and talent evaluators with eyes and brains so we can have a nice, relaxing off season instead of getting ulcers worrying we are going to draft an obscure special teams player from North Santa Fe Tech with a 7th round grade at #25.
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by GatorPhan on Mar 17, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember...
…wanting a running back in the 88 draft so badly I could taste it but did we finally give Dan some help? NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! We draft another DE!!
3 Pro Bowl running backs including the Dolphin Killer Thurman Thomas (who we finally did get…in his retirement year, like so many other athletes in other sports that FL teams pick up in the twilight of their career) all were picked after Kumerow….
Then they realized how stupid they were and grabbed Smith the next year….
Top that… oh…the Fletcher pick was a waste too but I thought he had promise…
Wannstache could not figure out this draft thing....
I wonder if he went into the draft room and just pulled names out of a hat.
Seriously?
John Avery??
This had to be the biggest LOSER PICK of all time!! Why, because Jimmah traded down to a later pick in the 1st Round and passed on a chance to pick Randy Moss while Dan Marino was still our QB. Jimmah was determined to build up the Running Game and not use the Candy Store!!
As Bugs used to say – “What a Maroon!!”
Lets Kick Butt Dolphins!!
Exacto
I still cannot for the life of me, figure out why in the fu@k we passed on Randy Moss…
I find this interesting
because when we had the Marx brothers, we never drafted an RB, but when they finally draft an RB, it’s when our receiving corps is hopeless. Not only that, but Ahman Green didn’t even go until the 3rd round.
When Jimmy Traded down I was sure it was going to be Ahman Green...
With the 31st Pick…John Avery!!! LOL!
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Coach Paul Bear Bryant
and guess who was availible...
Randy Moss, Thanks to Jimmy Johnson we can only dream of what could have been the greatest passing duo of all time.
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by Patssuck456 on Mar 17, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
God I wont forget that I was like oh my god we are going to get Moss ehhhhhhhh nope man what a let down
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Thanks Matty....
next time can you at least let me brace myself before you kick me in the nuts? La la la de daaa lets check the Phinsider before I go to bed…..DEPRESSION…..FEELINGS OF WORTHLESSNESS…….DOUBT…..SELF ESTEEM ISSUES…..thanks for that before bed.
jk of course…u dont make the history…u just report it.
This poll is VOID! are you kidding me? Eddie Moore? I am a sophmore at FSU….i work for the team…I KNOW BOLDIN IS A SURE THING….we need a WR….hes still there!! Boldin!! Boldin!! me and 5 Dolphins/Noles fans scream…..
EDDIE MOORE LB TENNESSEE….i remember it scrolling across…and being sick. WHO? WHO!?
then 4 picks went by and i got hope Boldin would fall to the 3rd….theeeeeennnnnn he was gone. and Eddie Moore is most known for getting knocked out at a bar down here by a short white guy cuz he was talking to his girl.
At least Flectcher played
Im gonna take a shower and cry it out like a bitch now
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I voted for Moore I could not believe it when we took this guy I was very pissed Fletch was the runner up
Ahhhh Ta Ta Ta Ta Bye Bye Foy518
Fletcher did play some-
but you have to admit- deactivating homer mode for a sec- missing out on a franchise QB is worse than missing out on a #1 WR. If we got Boldin- who was gonna throw to him?! lol
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Thanks for two decades of stomach churning memories...
I’d prefer to forget. Out of all of them, I voted for Kumerow. For my revenge, here are my recollections…
Eddie Moore, the top pick special teamer as Wannspeil had beamed about…and a glass jaw off the field to boot. I would have voted for him but I went for full awfulness, and he wasn’t a first round pick.
Jamar Fletcher: Way too little, three years too late. Even with Madison and Surtain, the Achilles’ heel of those outstanding defenses was that they could still be spread out (Charlie Weis especially made a name for himself exploting that weakness). Fletcher still wasn’t that lockdown-type of corner out of college. Ironically, he’s still in the league but you can find his picture in the dictionary under the word “journeyman”. Had Jimmy Johnson addressed this issue a couple of seasons earlier, it’s possible that his dimwitted successor wouldn’t feel panicked into spending a first round pick.
This is why Fletcher gives me nightmares not of the past but for today: would the Triad feel pressured into taking a corner in the first round out of fear of spread sets (think: Patriots) especially if there’s a sudden run on defensive backs? (Fletcher was the fifth taken within seven consecutive picks)
John Avery: the undersized runner, ‘draftnik’, and XFL star (800 yards). If only Jimmy Johnson held off from making a trade down with Ron Wolf an hour before the start of the draft thinking he knew who’d be off the board, he’d have staring in his face a wideout, some guy named Moss.
Billy Milner: a prospect with a medical red flag (stenosis) on his scouting report and the Dolphins took him anyway. I’d put second rounder Andrew Greene, the second round pick on this list as well. Don Shula was trying to catch lightning in a bottle with two linemen as he did in 1990 with Richmond Webb and Keith Sims.
Aubrey Beavers: a linebacker with no instincts whatsoever. Additionally, the front office must’ve wondered what they were thinking when Beavers had his father represent him in negotiating his rookie contract.
Eddie Blake: “Earthquake”. Big mistake. A guard for the Tigers, as soon as he was drafted, Don Shula mentioned that he was going to be moved to the defensive side of the ball. A project that was a complete washout.
Sammie Smith: You know it’s bad when you’re a future Hall of Fame head coach and a semi-retired Bill Walsh who’s doing network commentary at the time calls you up insisting he needs to show you how to teach a runner how to carry a football. That’s how bad it got after back to back weeks of critical lost fumbles on the opponent’s goal line in 1991 in consecutive losses to the Chiefs and Oilers. Won’t even go into his career after football in the slammer for drug trafficking.
John Bosa: I remember his second season in 1988. After a sluggish offensive start with the new coordinator Gary Stevens, the Dolphins hit their stride winning three out of four games (stunning the Vikings and getting their first ever road win vs. the Raiders’) on the basis of defense, especially with their defensive line. Vs. San Diego, Bosa suffered a severe knee injury which took him out of all of 1988 (and most of 1989). Without him, Miami’s defense collapsed, going from allowing 17 points a game back to the 28 point pace more typical of that part of the Marino shootout era. Shula and co. placed a lot of hope for a full return for 1990, but from the start of camp his knee blew out again and his career was over. The way he was mocked on Sportscenter the night of his second injury pretty much solidified the kind of bashing he receives to his very day, passing from one ‘generation’ of Dolphins fan to the next. If it turns out that he was an injury-prone red flag out of Boston College then I would consider his pick a snafu in the same manner as Yatil Green, a player with all sorts of known leg problems who would make a fine addition to this poll.
Eric Kumerow: Some time back, the late Joel Buchsbaum of Pro Football Weekly made a list of about a dozen or so scenarios that contribute to a draft pick becoming a bust through every phase of drafting (scouting, testing, drafting, and negotiating a contract) and I swear, Eric Kumerow hit every one of them. It takes dubious talent not to fit into the outside of a 3-4 defense but Kumerow was the penultimate ‘tweener’. Too small to rush, too slow to cover. How bad was the pick? For the ’88 draft, ESPN gave Mel Kiper a large shiny board behind him listing the Top 100 players. They anticipated that they would have all the picks in the first round easily covered. Kumerow was the only name not on the list.
Dishonorable mention: Mike Kadish, Donald Reese, Guy Benjamin, Mike Charles, Rick Graf, Jackie Shipp, Jay Brophy, Randal Hill, Andrew Greene, Yatil Green
by Marc D on Mar 17, 2009 2:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I picked Sammie Smith
because if we land a good running back in that era, or even improve the D, Marino wins a couple Super Bowls. Steve Atwater was picked 20th, he would’ve been nice to pair up with Louis Oliver, who we picked at 25 that year. Maybe we could’ve kept teams from scoring a little more and Marino could’ve won without the running game.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 17, 2009 2:33 AM EDT reply actions
i picked sammie also
for the exact same reason. good thinkin
smoking rally bowls for the phins since 2002! oh and screw the jets
Bad memories
Gotta go with fletcher…..i remember hearing something about that draft on 790 the tix. they said that a few people from the dolphins FO wanted to go with Boldin….but wanstache was convinced they had a real football player in eddie moore. Bad memories=drinks at 8am
A lot of bad decisions but the highlight definately is
drafting the Comedian in 1992. Especially since he had been dead seven years already.
Fletcher, because Brees was ours for the taking.
The Eddie Moore pick when Boldin was sitting there was pretty bad too.
However, the John Avery pick deserves extra consideration, because Jimmy Johnson traded out of the 19th pick the day before the draft. Why would you trade out of a pick the day before the draft? Why not wait and see who is available with that pick before you trade it? Well, we could have had Randy Moss with that 19th pick. Think pairing Randy Moss with Dan Marino would have extended Dan’s career?
Who was the worst draft pick in Dolphins' history?
You didn’t go back far enough.
David Overstreet drafted in 1981 #13 (RB). Went to Canada for 2 years than played 14 games and gained 392 yards for the Dolphins in 1983. He was than killed in a car wreck.
I took him out of consideration because the dude was killed.
Who knows…maybe he becomes a star. That’s why I left him out.
Zactly!
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by uncle finster on Mar 17, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Great
How am I supposed to explain the tears on this report now?
Bad start to the day.
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by Patrick Bateman79 on Mar 17, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
Can we just forget the last two decades of picks
The question is almost did they pick anyone good? With very few exceptions how many top NFL players did the Miami draft system generate in that time.
They trade most of the picks away and when they did have them most were a bust. The draft is more about quantity the quality. But it doesn’t help when you have no quantity and are wrong on every pick at the same time. If they kept picks instead of trading for mediocre players they may have found more hidden gems like Zack or JT.
Long
Ginn
Allen
Brown
Carey
Tahts actually not that bad at all….some teams dont know what town their 1st rd pick lives in anymore.
Make anyone feel better?
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4 out of 5 aint bad
Anyway Fletcher Avery and Moore are all up there.
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
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by Patssuck456 on Mar 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Well I'm going to go back
and say Eric Kumerow – closely, very closely followed by John Bosa.
During the 80’s, I vividly remember how the dolphins were unable to do 2 very specific things:
Play defense
Run the football
Despite being unable to run the ball though, the dolphins had a great offense. Anyone remember those great shoot out games we always had with the jets where the two teams would put up over 80 points.
Our defense was so bad though that we’d make a mediocre QB like Ken O’Brien, look like a world beater. Naturally Marino was a world beater.
So if we had even a marginal defense I have zero doubts that we’d have won a superbowl.
Kumerow was taken in the middle of the first round with the dolphins first pick in ’88. He played for 3 years and recorded all of 5 sacks. Bosa was only marginally better, ha ha, 7 sacks in 3 years. By the way, Bosa was drafted in 87, so we had back to back busts.
The bust brothers were just a prime example of how as good a coach as shula was, the team really struggled to build a defense after the 83’ season and the killer B’s.
My runner up would have to be Sammie Smith – my gosh, I can’t remember a player being so hated by the fanbase. That fumble against the, then Houston Oilers, in the 4th quarter pretty much cemented Sammie Smith as an all-time bust!
Think about that for a second...
in 3 consecutive years we picked: Bosa, Kumerow, and Sammie Smith.
And you thought the Wanny drafts were bad!
I was at the game just before the Houston game
’91 Dolphins at Chiefs. Miami had the ball near the goal line, and it should have been a simple RB play for the endzone……Sammie fumbles, and they Chiefs take it 100 yards back for a TD. In the next home game vs. the Oilers, once he fumbled near the endzone, the chant went up…….“Sammie Sucks…….Sammie Sucks………Sammie Sucks”
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 17, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey........I remember now!
there was a picture of a angry woman holding a “Sammie Sucks” sign…..the caption read “Mad Miami Maiden Miffed At Mishandles” was that you?
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 17, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The score
at the time was 7-0 KC and Miami would have tied it. Instead they got killed after going down 14-0. The fumble vs. Houston was another game winning chance blown.
Wasn’t (isn’t) he in prison for cocaine trafficking?
We're talkin' about PRACTICE....practice!
were you at that KC game hotrod?
My first NFL game, sat between the 20-25 yard line, about 10 rows up, behind the Dolphin bench, everything was great………….except the final score
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 17, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG! what a parade of losers!
Dont these guys belong in the land of misfit football players? It took me two scans and about 20 mins to choose from this pile of “whatyalike”. I’ve already forgot which one of these disasters I just chose! It was boso or kumengo which! You can lump em all together put em in a sack and we can all take turns beating the bag with bats! LOL:>)
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One thing I just noticed
The Dolphins have no luck when they have the 16th overall pick (Bosa, Kumerow, Jason Allen).
so your saying don't trade up to #16? haha
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That could be a possibility. The Chargers have no 2nd round pick...
I had the Chargers for Foy’s mock draft. When I was researching their needs, I saw a report saying that the Chargers were talking to teams with multiple 2nd round draft picks to trade with. The phins fall into that category.
Good job not including Yatil Green
He was a real talent, just had a series of terrible breaks. The worst part about him was that it (apparently) soured the Dolphins on University of Miami players for nearly a decade. I still can’t fathom that, you have the best source of pro football players less than 10 miles away and you can’t be bothered to check these guys out? Then when we finally take a Miami player is Vernon Carey? No offense to Vernon, he’s actually turned out to be a pretty good player but the fact that we were taking O-Lineman from The U just shows how poorly we’ve handled our local resources.
Yeah, Yatil
was JJ’s baby so to speak. He picked him despite all the injuries he already had.
Sorry to say, but JJ really set us back on the offensive side of the ball.
Yatil was really talented on getting injure!
He didnt show anything, how canyou sayhe was talented?
how many passes did he cough?
Please!! he was a bust too!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
It has to be Fletcher...
Most of the other guys on this list were drafted for need. Fletcher wasn’t a need. The phins used a 1st round selection on a CB that was going to be nothing but a Nickle Back at best for up to 3 years. So the phins drafted a guy in the 1st round that would be on the field 35% of the defensive snaps. That’s nuts. 1st round you have to draft starters.
avery
trading down with green bay (so they could draft eventual dolphin vonnie holliday)…but moreso in bypassing randy moss…ugh…Marino could have had at least 8 fewer interceptions that year and 10-12 more td’s…nice job j.j.
I voted
for Fletcher, but it was close…. the Kummerow/Bosa picks crippled us for a long time. If I could have voted for a combo, that would have taken the race by a mile.
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Ouch !!! That hurt looking at all of those BUSTS!!!!
I think there are so many variables that go into picking up players. Even the people who are the best at drafts make bad picks. IMO the picks of Eddie Moore and Jamal Fletcher just don’t make any sense, those weren’t needs and their were other players available with a similar grade at a position of need. I can’t argue about any of the picks at RB … not all RB’s turn into studs in the top 10, Curtis Enis comes to mind. That was a position of need and they took a shot .. albeit a bad one. if I remember correctly V. Carey was a huge reach at the time because it was a need and that one has seemed to workout alright.
Here is to hoping all the picks this year produce like last years crop .. if we get that than we are set for the next couple of seasons IMO
Another Sammie Smith
I just remember there was so much promise that year. Finally a running game to compliment Marino. Not so much!
#13
Not only did he have a notorious case of fumble-itus
but he also dropped the ball in his personal life – he was in jail for being busted with cocaine.
they only white line he really found...........
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 17, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
JJ Johnson
Seems Jimmy only picked good players AFTER the 1st round!
We're talkin' about PRACTICE....practice!
How about Daryl Gardener?
He was pretty good wasn’t he? But JJ did pass on Ray Lewis.
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Gardener
was good
Screw Ray Lewis JJ got us Zach Thomas…
SAMMIE was my pick he takes the cake lol cause pushing cakes got him put away..
flecter sucked but, we never lost games because of him…..he never gave the wrong team the ball.. And I was at the game too SAMMIE SUCKS…SAMMIE SUCKS I asked my father why are we yelling at him he’s a dolphin hes on our side … My dad replied he sucks an is playing for the other team true story
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I dunno
Fletcher not covering his guy gave the wrong team a few TD’s lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 17, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
True
this is true but i think flecter sucked so bad they didnt let him play enough to matter lol
A feeding frenzy is about to take place in the dirty south
*Puts on devil's advocate hat*
In fairness to Sammie Smith, Ricky Williams was a fumble machine his first couple years, but he was allowed to keep playing.
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