Pass Rush & Pass Defense - Looking at the Numbers
In Matty's Friday article discussing cornerbacks, the first point he addressed was whether it is more important to have a pass rush or great corners. Matty mentioned teams on each side of the debate- and pointed out teams with both great and mediocre pass rushes who had top tier pass defenses. I decided to to take a look at the stats from last year and see if there really is any kind of correlation.
Just a note when you are reading these charts- you are going to see something on them called an R^2 value- for those of you not that familiar with stasitics- always helpful Wikipedia is here to explain it for us:
More simply, R2 is often interpreted as the proportion of response variation "explained" by the regressors in the model. Thus, R2 = 1 indicates that the fitted model explains all variability in y, while R2 = 0 indicates no 'linear' relationship between the response variable and regressors. An interior value such as R2 = 0.7 may be interpreted as follows: "Approximately seventy percent of the variation in the response variable can be explained by the explanatory variable. The remaining thirty percent can be explained by unknown, lurking variables or inherent variability."
A caution that applies to R2, as to other statistical descriptions of correlation and association is that "correlation does not imply causation." In other words, while correlations may provide valuable clues regarding causal relationships among variables, a high correlation between two variables does not represent adequate evidence that changing one variable has resulted, or may result, from changes of other variables.
So that is really a number you want to keep an eye on- a better R^2 value means that sacks correlate better with the pass defense stat. As it points out- correlation does NOT necessarily imply causation. That being said- it wouldn't be hard to come up with some logical links between a pass rush and pass defense so I think it is safe to say that they do at least affect eachother in most cases.
Now with the boring explanation of the charts out of the way- lets get on to the boring charts themselves. I took a look at a few key measures of a pass defense- Interceptions, passing touchdowns allowed, opponents completion percentage, opponents yards per passing attempt, and opponents passing yards per game.
To represent pass rush- I chose pure sacks. It might be more fair to include sacks + QB hurries + QB hits - but two factors came into play. First, QB hurries aren't an official NFL stat- F.O. tracks them in their Prospectus at the end of the season- but I don't believe it is even out yet - either way I don't have a reliable stat for them. As far as hits, they also include hits that result in a pass interference penalty- which I don't think should really count towards a good pass rush.
First up- sacks vs. interceptions. An interception is by far the least likely outcome of a pass play. A completion percentage of 55% is pretty awful- but it still means a majority of a QBs passes are completions. Next up are incompletions. Interceptions are a very small percentage of all pass plays- but they change the game in such a big way- it is a stat that tends to draw the fans eye. So how do sacks and INTs correlate?
Turns out- not very well at all. That is basically no correlation at all. I was really shocked when I saw this- but last year the number of sacks a team was able to get had virtually no bearing on the number of interceptions. I was so taken aback- I went back and looked at the data from the last 5 years- just in case this year was a fluke.
That is a little bit better- it does show some positive correlation- but the variability is immense. Remember this line from our friends at Wikipedia:
The remaining thirty percent can be explained by unknown, lurking variables or inherent variability.
I'd say we have some of those here. A pass rush does influence it- but there are any number of other factors that are coming into play here. I would say that INTs are definitely an item that is affected by the quality of the corners. Other factors probably include scheme, actual passing attempts against the team, and probably even just plain old fashioned luck.
From here on out- I am just going to be posting the 1 year correlations as the 5 year numbers had no significant differences, but as you can see, are a bit harder to read.
Next up- passing TDs. The number one goal of any defense is ultimately not focused on preventing yards, but preventing points and getting off the field. How did the better pass rushers do in this regard?
Much better correlation here- with two very big outliers (if they weren't in there, the R^2 value would more than double to about .15, but unfortunately, you can't just toss out data to fit an argument). There is a clear correlation here, but still a lot of variability. In case you are interested, the big outliers are the Colts on the low end, and the Cardinals on the top end.
Next up, sacks versus yards per game. While stopping TDs is the priority, it is of course much easier to stop passing touchdowns if you keep them as far away from the endzone as possible. How did they match up?
This is an even better correlation. It still isn't anything great- and other variables account for a majority of preventing passing yards per game ( you can have a great pass defense, but if the other team runs 50 pass plays they are still gonna produce some passing yards. . .), but there is a clear decrease in passing yards allowed as sacks go up. That brings me to the next number.
As I said above, you can have a great passing defense but still give up a decent number of passing yards if the other team refuses to stop passing. 4 yards per attempt is an awful passing average, but if you throw the ball 60 times you are still going to put up 240 passing yards. Lets see how sacks match up to YPA:
Once again, a clear correlation shows up. Also once again, there is still tons of other variablity, but you can clearly make an argument that the better the pass rush, the fewer yards per attempt the other team is able to produce.
Last but not least, is how sacks match up with opponents completion percentage. Forcing a team to keep to short passing routes is one thing, but its still not ideal if they keep completing them. If you can limit the ability of your opponent to complete passes, you leave them with no choice but to start running the ball more or you get them off the field faster.
This falls right into line with the previous two measures. A clear pattern has emerged, but there is still a lot of variation in the numbers. Better pass rushing D's force more incompletions, but there are still a LOT of other factors in play.
If you actually read this entire post- my congratulations to you. What do you make of these correlations? Do you think they have any validity at all? Did it reinforce or change any of your opinions?
Me personally- I think that the correlation you see IS valid. A great pass rush definitely influences your ability to successfuly defend the pass. That being said- there are tons of other variables involved.
For myself, I have to assume that the quality of the cornerbacks is one of the bigger affects. After looking at this it really seems like the pass rush will amplify the abilities of your corners; meaning it will make an average corner look good, and a good corner look great. You can help cover for the mistakes of talented rookies, or knowledgable but declining Vets. But are you going to be happy with a terrible corner looking mediocre? You can amplify talent all you want- but if the guy has 0 talent, anything times 0 is still zero.
After looking at all this, you can definitely sign me up for the "draft a corner on the 1st day bandwagon", and after that is completed, put me on the "draft 2 back up corners on the 2nd day" bandwagon that will be behind it.
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Wheewww.
All these regressors are making me sweat…and I studied under Edwin Phelps.
Maybe we should conduct a nonprobablity study by isolating a deviant case to help prove the theory.
Nice work
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LOL- I'm an engineer dude-
PRACTICAL stat applications only – that includes practical to actually perform the analysis :p
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LOL
I have no idea what you just said, but I’m sure it meant something significant. With what they have done so far in the free agency period, I, all for drafting defense-defense-defense.
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Damn dude.
Impressive if I’ve ever had something to praise. No wonder you’re such a stat wiz..gotta be a smart dude to succeed in the field of engineering.
I actually thought about stuff similar to this and figured that we were NOT going to take a corner in the first round, thoug 2a is very possible.
The way I see it, a player like Eric Green is signed because BP knows he has talent and upside even if he didn’t show much of it last season. You have to remember, defensive coordinators and secondary coaches bring a huge impact on a cornerback’s play. But it’s easy for BP to rely upon Green, J Allen, and maybe a 2a/2b CB in the draft because he knows he’s going to draft one of the strong pass rushers in this draft. Even if Allen or Green are subpar, they’re going to look solid if we can disrupt the passing game with more regularity.
Yeah- I don't think a 1st rounder is required or likely-
but I would like to see a 1st day pick- though I don’t necessarily think we will do that either.
If I had to guess I’d say we draft a couple on the second day- maybe a 3rd rounder and a 6th, or maybe 2 of our 7ths even. That is one thing- when Parcells drafts a position- he usually drafts a couple of guys at that position. If anything I think it would be to back up and eventually replace Allen as opposed to the younger Green though as Allen is going to be 31 before the season starts.
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i think you just made us all engineers after reading that
good post, “BP knows he has talent and upside even if he didn’t show much of it last season” those are the comments that bother me a lil. That what ever decision BP make is always the right one. I agree with you that a solid pass rush will def make the corners look good. So it makes sense to get the best pass rusher at the 25th pick as long as we’re not reaching.
This post is another example of...
Gator on Nole crime. You gave me a headache..with ur education and stuff.
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basically, if you have a kick ass pass rush, the QB will be harrassed and less likely to throw with acccuracy, or better yet, he’ll just be on his ass. Thus, making the CB’s look pretty damn good.
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 14, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
But....I......already knew that Husker.
I didnt need to know what y =’d
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LOL
I wonder if GP even watches the games or if he just tries to figure it out on paper! Next post will be a statistical analysis to see if blocking rushers in the kicking game leads to more successful kicks!
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by uncle finster on Mar 15, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hyuck hyuck-
you are HILARIOUS. Especially for someone previously so worried about personal attacks ;). Just sayin’.
Don’t worry- posts like these aren’t meant for the guys who know everything like you- they are for the idiots like me who are too dumb to form an opinion on their own. Feel free to skip over them from now on- you won’t hurt my feelings.
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take a chill pill dude
I wasn’t trying to hurt your feelings, but this is a very long post on something thats very obvious, and in case your memory has failed you, I have given you many props on your posts and even said you were an inspiration! So don’t take it personal it wasn’t meant that way.
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by uncle finster on Mar 16, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry - I don't take anything personal- its the internet.
You say this was a very long post on something obvious. Well maybe it is common sense to the entire planet except me- but I did not know that a team with 20 sacks is as likely as a team with 50 sacks to have twenty plus interceptions. I did not know a team with 59 sacks could be in the bottom third of the league in nearly EVERY major passing defense category including 3rd to last in picks.
Like I said- if you already know this then good for you, because you are smarter than I am. But I’d bet there is at least one other person out there who is as stupid as me, and that is who this post was for.
I guess I’m just tired of the whole “you like numbers so you don’t really like football” theme – that is played out. We’ve been over this too many times already- people appreciate the game in different ways- lets get over it.
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Dude you put more work into your posts than ANYONE!!!
I’ve never said any of those things about you, I read all of your posts because i know how much work you put into them, and i appreciate that greatly. This is the third time I’m writing this YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION, to many people here and I’m truly sorry you took it the wrong way or that i wrote it the wrong way. But theres no intent button and i dont text so i’m the ignorant one, and out of my element because i’m new to this. Many apologies:>)
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by uncle finster on Mar 16, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Very obvious?
The lack of significant correlation between sacks and ints wasn’t what I would call “intuitive”.
LOL- pretty good summary.
The gist of it is- a pass rush will turn your CBs up a notch. That being said, its only a notch; you can’t plug in garbage and expect to have a good pass D even if you have a 1st rate pass rush.
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is it wrong
than when I read these kind of post that I hear Stephen Hawkings voice? : )
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 14, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL-
Husk- for nerds like me that is a compliment so go right ahead :p
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Nice work Gator
When I looked at the charts though, I saw different shotgun patterns, in the 4-8 shot range, using either modified of full choke…..
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LOL- I have a confession to make
this isn’t real data- its just my targets from practice yesterday. . . ran out of skeet :p
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chart 2
looks like you got it right…..guessing….6 shot, full choke on that one….. nice shot btw.
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 14, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Its Confusing!!
This is my first time on this board and have been reading it for a long time and this one has to be the most confusing lol i get it but it took quite some time. I thank we should go pass rush in the first round and CB in the 2nd were proably going to have to groom him anyways so why not get someboday we can start and there are some really good prospects in the 2nd that can learn but only if we pick up Rolle from the ravens i thank he could hold us for the next 2 years till we really know wat we have in our CB spot!
you confuse me.. :)
“been reading the board for a long time”- but “this is the first on on the board” :)
I nominate you for run on sentance of the year..
I say,I say.. boy talks so much, his tounge is gonna git sunburned…
lol..
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I think of him
everytime Jesse Jackson talks
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 14, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I - I say there son...
yer built too low, the fast ones go right over yer head.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 15, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What in the samhell is this!
I mean, you have way to many players on the field. Which ones are offense, which are defense? And how is the line of scrimmage not parallel to the yard lines? And how you’ve aligned players! Sheesh! Is this like a half court field? And I has anyone ever heard a QB call a play “y = 1.062 HIKE” (well maybe peyton)?
Is this Australian football or something!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be honest
The quote box hurt my ego. 75% of the words in that quote box, I couldn’t pronounce or understand lol.
But I actually did (to my surprise) understand the idea behind all the charts. Basically, what it says, is that the more sacks a team had, then the more incompletions their opponents had, the less yards they had, and the lower YPA they had. So a good pass rush has a very real effect on overall pass defense.
One thing that I don’t think is covered in these stats is a team that gets alot of “coverage sacks.” A team with VERY good DB play (think Philly from a few years ago) will be able to cover for 3-4 seconds tightly, allowing a lesser pass rush to rack up more sacks than they would normally. So there’s equal value between pass rush and coverage, IMO. I just think it’s much easier to find guys that can rush the passer consistently, than guys that can lock down WR’s for days.
I think another big factor is the defensive scheme. A guy like Jim Johnson brings almost relentless pressure with the blitz, so individual rushers aren’t as important. But his pass rush still enables his DB’s too look better than normal. Same thing with Pittsburgh Zone Blitz scheme under Coach LeBeau. He doesn’t necessarily need great individual talent on defense, because he can get more pressure with 4 rushers than some defenses get with 5-6, simply by design. He’s able to drop 7 in coverage and still get sacks and hurries, which enhances both areas of the defense.
So while I do agree with the fact (yes fact) that a pass rush is an integral part of the pass defense, I also think that scheme itself can be just as valuable as individual talent.
Or maybe that’s just the coach in me talking :-)
Nice work Gator.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
nice post Nicky
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 14, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Very good point-
I mentioned it in maybe one sentence which is not doing the “scheme” variable enough justice. Good point on the coverage sacks as well- its not an angle I had thought about closely. I wish we could collaborate sometimes- I can find the numbers but you know more of what to make of them- lol. This adds a lot more depth to the post- def. gets a rec.
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lol thanks
man I don’t really know what to make of stats until I see them in a post like this. I can’t look at a bunch of numbers and statistics and know what they mean or what they’re telling me. That’s why I need you to put em all in cool chart/graph format so knuckleheads like me can figure out the information that lies behind the numbers lol. Once there’s some sort of idea behind those numbers, then my brain starts to slowly chug along…
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 16, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
dude you got way too much time on your hands….
NERDS!!!!!!!!

I kid, because I care………He put in the effort, regardless if you like it or not. And if it makes sense or not, or even if it matters or not.
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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 15, 2009 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Klaatu, barada, nikto!
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It is What it is!!!
I am so glad you came up with all those charts and you were able to come up with the logical conclusion that, A GREAT PASS RUSH = CORRELATES = TO A GREAT PASS DEFENSE!!!
Obviously Matty wants our Fins to draft a DB in Round 1 – so he argues balance and gives examples of teams that don’t have a great pass rush can still have a great pass defense. I say that is nonsense – if anyone saw what the NY Giants did to Brady and can’t figure out that with Brady on his ass he can’t throw a pass is a fhwaulking idiot!!
As far as my pick @ number 25 – give me Larry English or Rey Meluga (if he slips that far) so we can kick bonified ASS!! Don’t give me no pussified CB!!
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He also said
a pass rush does not influence interceptions, which are bigger game changers than a sack, but good cornerbacks do. It’s a trade-off.
exactly
you have to have both, or you’re going to suck.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 15, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the reply of someone who didn't read the post-
YES there is a relationship. NO, IF YOU HAVE A GREAT PASS RUSH IT DOESN"T AUTOMATICALLY MEAN YOU HAVE A GREAT PASS DEFENSE. This does not prove that all you need is a pass rush! It proves that a pass rush is an important but ultimately small piece of the pass defense.
Its great that you have one singular example- but how do you explain the Cowboys only getting six picks and allowing a a completion percentage of 60% with 59 sacks- while the Browns had 23 picks with only 17 sacks? Its fine if you only give the QB 2 seconds to throw- but if your CBs can’t cover for 2 seconds I’d still say you’re in trouble aren’t you?
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by GatorPhan on Mar 15, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
my brain hurts, thanks asshole
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I'm actually surprised
at how low the R^2 values were for some of these. Particularly for the yards per attempt vs sacks metric.
I think that may be one of the key statistics in measuring how effective a pass defense really is. No surprise, for example, that last year the best ypa, in terms of pass defense, was recorded by Pittsburgh.
Expanding and introducing other statistic comparisons might be helpful too – one that comes to mind would be comparing or evaluating metrics in the pass defense realm along with say, pro bowl cornerbacks. This way, assuming we had the numbers, then you could evaluate if the presence of pro bowl defensive backs was positively correlated with being a better defense.
you are as bad as he is....
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 16, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i all seriousness though, that really is the missing piece
after looking at the comparisons of the units in general, it would be interesting to know how much one individual impacts the overall pass D.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 16, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I did expect them to be higher- but there are so many variables in football I wasn't toooooo surprised.
I was completely shocked with the INT numbers though- I really thought there would be some relationship- but there is basically no correlation at all.
I really like the idea for a further look- when I get some more time I’ll have to research that.
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Another variable you could look at
I’m not asking for another chart, because you’ve done enough work. But you could look at interceptions, plus pass break-ups combined vs sacks. This can correlate to talent of the cornerbacks and safeties as well. Basically, positive defensive back plays vs sacks. There may be more to show in the first chart that would represent cornerbacks with “bad hands” that could alter your lines.
Very good idea- it is somewhat accounted for
in opponents YPA and Completion percentage, but it would help weed out the ’The Opposing QB is just terrible" portion of the variability present in those two.
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