Cardinals fans discuss Eric Green

by Matty I on Mar 13, 2009 2:06 PM EDT in News Comment 51 comments

The signing of CB Eric Green has sparked some debate among Dolphin fans. So I decided to go right to SBN's Arizona Cardinals blog - Revenge of the Birds - and see how they feel about Eric Green.

First up is "Andrew602" - one of the site's editors:

Eric Green began his career in Arizona as a solid cornerback and in his first couple years, he was a player you knew you could depend on every Sunday. He has a nice frame for a corner, and is tall enough to defend most wide receivers. He likes to jam receivers and plays his best with a safey over the top. He isn't a ball hawk, and rarely gets any interceptions. He doesn't have the ideal speed to cover the fast receivers and can get burnt often. The main reason things didn't work with Green in Arizona was because he was getting burned for big plays regularly. He was benched halfway through the season for that reason. I don't know the exact amount of deep balls given up, but the Cardinals were the worst with him starting and as soon as DRC came in, they eventually got better. I believe he has upside but needs an aggressive coach to fix some of his issues. If they are fixed, he can surely be a solid cornerback in the league.

And next up is "cgolden" - the site's founder:

Green's time in Arizona was marked by two things: injuries and inconsistent play. He finally broke into the starting lineup in 2007 and his play was good enough for cornerback to be the top need heading into the '08 draft. With DRC coming into the fold, he pretty much saw the writing on the wall but there was some hope that he'd have a career year in hopes of landing a big contract this off season. Instead of a career year though, he fell from starter to completely inactive by season's end. Several people reported that he took the demotion very poorly and that's what led to him dropping from starter to fifth on the depth chart in a matter of weeks.

I still maintain that he's got the athletic ability to play the position but he seriously lacks the ball skills to be an effective cover man. Even if he is in position to make a play, he rarely turns his head and tries to locate the ball (as evidence by just 2 picks in 33 career starts). He also bites on play action and double moves to often. There were also concerns that he'd blame blown coverages on teammates and even one instance where he faked an injury after biting on a pump fake. If you're looking for a bright spot, I'd say that he's a sure tackler. Often times he'd play well off a receiver leading to underneath routes being completed but he was always there to make a tackle after a seven or eight yard gain. He's got the athletic ability to be effective on special teams as well but for whatever reason he was unwilling to accept that role after he lost his starting job.

The best case scenerio for him would probably be to go back to being a nickel or dime corner and try to fully develop his game. He might be more effective in a zone coverage where he won't have to worry about turning his back to the QB. Bottom line though, if you're expecting very much from Eric Green I think you'll end up disapointed and god forbid he has to start for you.

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Thats to be expected...

a lil good…a lil bad…

I havent read much else on this..but in todays Sun Sentinel they mention he had a knee injury….seems ok now i guess.

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 13, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lol "god forbid he has to start for you"

by MauMontaV5 on Mar 13, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If that comment doesn't scare you...

then I’m not sure what will. Er, actually, maybe Jason Allen as full-time starter is equally or close to, as scary.

by Natalya on Mar 13, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep, I dont think they are bringing him in as a long term solution

he is gonna compete for that spot opposite to W.Allen and maybe share some snaps while coming in in 3&long situations. However, all of this should just be to create some competition while we develop the young CB we are going to draft in the first 3 rounds. (hopefully with one of our 2nds). Or the other way to look at it is that Parcells is 100% committed to finish building a strong D-Line and LB corps before even addressing the CB position. This could absolutely work in the long term, however, next season, if we play almost the same kind of secondary we did last year (even a worst one because Goodman played really well at the end of the season and Wilson is a stud for the run but not a ball hawk) we can expect to see some more games like the ones against Houston and the 2nd one against NE at home, meaning that your offense does everything right and you even are able to stop the run but their #1 receiver just tears you apart all game. And thats painful, add to that mix Manning and Drew Brees… However, just look at what happens when (this was just for a game or two) you have a true #1 CB on the field, like @St.Louis where our offense played like crap and our D couldnt stop the run but our Secondary played an excellent game with 3 interceptions or so and single handedly won us the game. So my point is, a true #1 CB will singlehandedly transform our defense.

by MauMontaV5 on Mar 13, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Never been a fan of Will Allen.

I mean he’s had ups and downs but mostly downs.

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by Phinsguy99 on Mar 15, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My favorite quote...

" Often times he’d play well off a receiver leading to underneath routes being completed but he was always there to make a tackle after a seven or eight yard gain."

LOL!

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by AussieKen on Mar 13, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm kind of partial to

his play was good enough for cornerback to be the top need heading into the ’08 draft

guess that kind of carries over to the 09 dolphins then.

by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 13, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm still all for this move

I will wait and see what he does on the field before jumping to any decsions. The Cardinals D sucked and that shouldn’t fall on one guy … I do recall the D Coordinator getting fired after the season.

Systems can sometimes make or break players (example: all running backs in Denver except Clinton Portis) depending on their skills and what they excel at … I think the trifecta feels this player has what it takes to play in this D system. Goodman had a great half season but was terrible in the beginning … who knows if Green might have turned it around if he didn’t get benched. We simply didn’t have a 1st round pick sitting on the bench to put in for him but if we did I’m sure he would have been taken out.

I look forward to seeing him on the field and will let his play speak for him in Miami … who knows a change in scenery might be all the guy needs

by markus_13 on Mar 13, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good points

and you’re a official “Glass Is Half-Full” member

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 13, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it seems that solid coaching could help him

after all if Bowles could teach Will Allen how to use those things with sticks sticking out of them at the end of his arms., .

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When it's me I can't forgive?"

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 13, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My take is that Eric Green is...

a 3-year for 4 million dollar (1 million dollar signing bonus) smokescreen gamble to hide the intent to take Sean Smith at #25 and to prevent a team from moving up to #22-24 and taking stealing him.
I’m just guessing at the contract terms.
Actually, I’m just guessing…

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by DolphDallas on Mar 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting

I would not be surprised in the least.

I kind of hope you are right. Sean Smith is the only prospect at corner I’m real high on..

by meemo on Mar 13, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's a damm good guess!

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by buckeyebill on Mar 13, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good guess,

however, Bill Parcells is our GM (who are we kidding) and the man has a history of selecting LB´s in the first round and has only gone for CB´s 2 times. Now, he is known to “be looking for the next LT” all day long and we have a hole at OLB, which is getting dangerously close to being 2 holes because of Joey´s age. If I had to guess, we are going for a OLB.

by MauMontaV5 on Mar 13, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

smokescreen?

Larry Little and I both wore 66 in our football careers. I think that means something.

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by Tunaflipper on Mar 13, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good Tackler-can't cover

Sounds like Travis Daniels part 2.

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by phatfinfan on Mar 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm still gonna believe

BP’s crew of coaches will get this guy further along than Saban’s boys could get Daniels.

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by phatfinfan on Mar 13, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget, Saban was an excellent DB coach in the NFL before he became a D coordinator...

If Saban knows anything it is how to coach DB’s.

by ct1361 on Mar 13, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dom Capers had his chance at 'fixing' Jason Allen too

but was similarly unsuccessful.

Jason Allen has failed to develop to his billing but I don’t think for a lack of coaching.

by Natalya on Mar 13, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually

J Allen is the type of player that i get the feeling once they leave him alone for a while, he’ll be OK…

i mean the guy is a human yo-yo. 3 coaches in 3 years & 3 different systems couple with the fact that first he’s
a CB then a SS, then a FS in a new system and now a CB…

how much can you expect the kid to develop after that.

by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 13, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

this I agree with

give this coming year in same system and at CB before anyone judges him one way or another

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by Blaze453 on Mar 13, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

W NY........I gotta applaud you

that was well said……..and actually positive. Please tell me you weren’t drunk when you posted. : )

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 13, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually i'm pretty

positive most of the time… as i’ve always said, i’m positive the team can’t win or consitently be good until the QB situation is solved and by that caretaker QB’s are not considered ‘solving the issue’ in my book…

by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 14, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

more like

j. fletcher – if they every could (cough, cough) fix his issues he could be a good player.

by W NY Fins Fan on Mar 13, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not too sure about...

this signing. The Dolphins have been in need of a solid cover corner for some time, and Green doesn’t solve this need. Will Allen is a good #2 corner, but isn’t the solution either.

My guess is that this will be similar to the Chris Crocker signing last year. It was for similar terms, with $1 M guaranteed. Given these terms, I suspect that he was simply signed for depth reasons and possibly special teams, where he’s solid. We have a very good coaching staff, but either you’ve got game or you don’t. Given his record, it appears as if Green doesn’t. And we should note also that Arizona has some solid safeties and their front seven isn’t exactly terrible either. Their CB play was poor, hence why Green was benched in favor Cromartie, who’s a solid talent.

Green got benched for a reason. He got burnt a lot in AZ and the same will happen here in Miami.

by liberty513 on Mar 13, 2009 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If he's a good tackler

he’d be good enough to play in Nickel/Dime Zone packages, letting him play the underneath zone and make the tackle on swing routes or screens etc etc.

I really don’t envision him or Jason Allen as the starting CB. They’ll be the 5th/6th DB’s on the field on 2nd and long, 3rd and long and those situations. I don’t have high hopes or high expectations for Green, and I still believe we have to draft a starter.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 13, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dont really like

the fact that he gets burned often, bites on PA and double moves, and was a little bitch when he got demoted, doesnt sound like the type of player i would want on my team

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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Mar 13, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This guys excites me..

like a bucket of cancer ridden bunnies,,,,,

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by NJDolphan68 on Mar 13, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you're officially a member of the

“Glass Half Empty” Club

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 13, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oooohh Clubs,,, !!!!!!

I love clubs,… do we get patches !!!

I can bake my ass off !!!!

Husker, you are officially in my CKC-NJ Club- Charter Member #1.

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by NJDolphan68 on Mar 13, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol, thanks.........

but I’m a member of the “Glass Half Full Club” can’t we just get along?

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 13, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just thought of something...........

why the hell would i listen to a stinkin Cards fan? 1 lucky year and all the sudden they are experts? These are the same fans that were high on JJ Arrington

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 13, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lol buddy.....pal ........friend of mine.....

just because they are in bad situations, doesn’t make them less “football smart” right? We can only dictate what we see and believe, we’ll go on that. He’s wearing the colors now right? He gets our cheers………..until he fucks up, he’s team.

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 13, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well im just saying...

they havent seen a good corner until the dude they just drafted lol…

im joking of course….

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 13, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i hear ya

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 13, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stop defending our FO

This guy was no good in arizona he’s not gonna be anny good for us, this was a desperate signing because we nissed out on Leigh Bodden. By the way im a new member love this site sorry to be blunt. GO phins!

by Phincent on Mar 14, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 14, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Where is the crystal ball you have? Cuz I'd love to be able to see the future too.

I am perfectly fine with questioning decisions the FO makes- but to just call him a failure right out of the gate is completely unfair. Unless you have access to coaching tape- you have no idea what kind of player he is. How about we see him in the OTAs and then make a judgment on how he might play at the least?

Not to mention- lets see what his contract is. Desperate is tossing too much money to Bodden or McFadden. If he is on a decent deal then it was just a good pickup for a nickel back who can start in a pinch if nothing else works out. Just chill out for a bit until at least some of the facts come in, never mind before he plays a snap.

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by GatorPhan on Mar 14, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll take Parcells opinion over yours..

just preference really…

Desperate? Really? If we were desperate, we would’ve overpaid for Goodman. Green wasn’t brought in to be a savior in our secondary, he was brought in to provide depth and competition for the Nickel/Dime spots.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I remember Andre Goodman

was an inconsistant could of been year after year until the middle of last season when he put his game together and then he finished the year strong and now he’s making, what 5 mil a year? Coaching Coaching Coaching

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by ATS16 on Mar 14, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

As the Pigskin turns...........

I have been confused with the value of ever watching “soaps”…I seem to get my “fill” with reading the posts (naked,,in a thong with nipple clamps..but thats not important right now)
from the “Phinsider”……We have officially evolved into a ..I said..She said..they said..I think..You think….they think……In a world full of glasses…no matter how full they are….Someones drinkin something…..THAT my friend is what makes this site SO fun….
I don’t post that often but read all the time.(for some reason if I am on the computer I feel like I should be downloading porn) :)
This site works because we are all very opinionated people….We are Phin Phans..nuff said.

Even I…. Glass always Half full…with salt around the rim and patron…..I have to believe that there are many reasons for this signing..yes it sorta feels like a “size too small thong” but any player still playing in the NFL has some sort of value or they would be gone..many times we have seen players..under a different coaching system do well and we have seen many times where they are still the same old player with some coach still hanging to hope or pride(they may have brought them over)…GatorPhan has a very valid point…Let’s give this guy support until he proves not worthy…..Have you ever had a fat girlfriend that you broke up with only to see her 3 months later..a size 2…with a tan and a new haircut…all cleaned up…looking hot. Lets hope E.G takes this as a new change and an attack on his personal abilities and cleans up!

by beafea on Mar 14, 2009 1:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

bro honestly

I love when you post lol.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks...

Wish I had more time to do it…. Since I have given up crack…this is my next vice..LOL

by beafea on Mar 14, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well this one is healthier

although you may turn gay if you hang out in the CKC too often lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was....

It was my wifes “crack” I gave up……..LOL
The other day she said to me…
“How come you never call my name in the middle of making love anymore”……

And to that I said…"Hell…I surely don’t want to wake you up…….

Smile…you still have to pay taxes..

by beafea on Mar 14, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hahahaha

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 14, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's not about seeing the future

first off i want to make clear that I utmost respect for our front office, now that thats out of the way , I’ am not calling him a failure out of the gates that would mean he’s a rookie which he is not we have plenty of tape on him none of which is outstanding , agreed. by the way I think Bodden was signed for leage minimum.I want to end this by saying I hope I am dead wrong about Green, didnt mean to upset you GatorPhan I Bleed Aqua and oranga just a little upset I really wanted Bodden.

by Phincent on Mar 14, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Its cool man- I'm not mad or anything-

the point was I think we all need to just chill a bit until we get some more of the facts.

Trust me- I wanted Bodden too- I did a post on him the day he was released. But I don’t think the guy wanted to play anywhere but NE- remember, we spoke to his agent but he didn’t even come in for a visit. That means either we made just a really insulting offer or he just really really wasn’t interested in us – which there isn’t much we can do about.

by GatorPhan on Mar 14, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs