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Mid-week Nuggets: Ronnie Brown & some CB talk

We've reached the midway point of the week.  Here are some nuggets to chew on as we inch closer and closer to the next big NFL event - the NFL Draft.

BRUSCHI GIVES RONNIE SOME LOVE
Patriots LB Tedy Bruschi spent some time on the set of NFL Total Access on Tuesday.  At the end of the show, he was asked which one player from his division does he wish he could "transport" out of the division.  Bruschi responded:

I'm going to say Ronnie Brown.  Ronnie Brown - the amazing things he does for the Dolphins and the way he scored four touchdowns on us in Foxborough last year.  I think he's a player that's very explosive and one of the best in the league.

I can't argue with that.  I guess Tedy is as smart as many people make him out to be - at least at judging talent.

Truth be told, I don't think Brown gets the recognition he deserves.  And part of that is because he doesn't put up huge numbers because he either splits carries with Ricky Williams or he's unlucky and gets hurt.  But the league is going to begin to realize the special player he is.  He had a solid season in 2008 and that's really a testament to his talent and work ethic - considering he was coming back from a torn ACL.  But remember - they say it takes 2 years to fully come back from that knee injury, both physically and mentally.  Being another year removed from his torn ACL - while also playing behind what should be an improved offensive line - should make 2009 an even better season for Ronnie than his 2008 "Pro Bowl" season.

TALKING CORNERBACKS
Let me preface this by saying that I'm not panicking.  And I still trust what Bill Parcells and Jeff Ireland are doing.  But I can't help but wonder what the risk would have been if the Dolphins went after Leigh Bodden.  Bodden, on Tuesday, signed with the Patriots on a 1 year deal worth the veteran minimum of $750,000.  Yes - just $750,000.  So while I'm sure Parcells and Ireland have a plan, I simply can't sit here and fully understand why exactly the Dolphins didn't offer Bodden a 1 year, $1 million deal.

After all, we know that the Fins have at least "kicked the tires" of Cardinals' free agent cornerback Eric Green.  And no offense, but Green isn't as good - at least from what I know - as Bodden.  And if the Dolphins were to sign Green, it's impossible for him to be any cheaper than Bodden (because Bodden signed for the veteran league minimum).  And here's what I know about Green.  I know that Cardinals fans sincerely dislike him.  I know the Cardinals were 22nd in the league in pass defense last year - and allowed 36 touchdowns through the air, which was 9 more than any other team in the NFL.  And I know that Green was falling like a rock on Arizona's depth chart.  He couldn't even crack the starting lineup for one of the worst pass defenses in the league.

So what is Miami's plan at cornerback?  The Palm Beach Post tries to make the case that it might simply be that the Dolphins are high on Jason Allen - who is the projected starter opposite Will Allen at this point in time.  But I'm not buying that theory.  He's shown flashes, but I just don't think he has what it takes to be a legitimate starter in this league.  He's too inconsistent and I simply can't trust him.

More likely, I think their plan is to spend a day one draft pick on a cornerback (and possibly even add a late rounder as well) while also signing a veteran at a later date.  Some veterans still available include Dre Bly, Fernando Bryant, and Chris McAlister.  Samari Rolle is also expected to be cut shortly and Ken Lucas could be on his way out in Carolina.

But even so, none of those players above would come any cheaper than Leigh Bodden would have - and Bodden has far more upside when you consider his success in Cleveland playing man-to-man defense, his age (27), and his size (6'1).

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Tedy Bruschi is a player

Anyone who takes on a stroke then comes back from it to play Pro Football is a man in my book, no matter what team he plays for.

The more free agency strolls along I’m thinking CB is going to the first Fin pick. It just isn’t looking that great right now.

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by DolfinPhan on Mar 11, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent for Ronnie

I didnt know they had signed Boden so cheap, but I think the Tri didnt pick it up for one of these reasons:
1= its obvious he wanted to play for a solid team for just one season while giving strong performances so that next off season he gets a huge long term deal and the trifecta arent interested in bringing in guys for just one season.
2- If we were already a contender, it would be unimaginable to see McFadden and Boden get away so cheap and dont even make a run at them, but we arent, we are getting young and strong so this most mean the trifecta want their next Kendall Langford or Merling or Bess or JL to be a stud young CB.
3- What they mention about Allen, but no thanks

by MauMontaV5 on Mar 11, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice read

Ronnie Brown is just awesome to have on our team. With the line being improved, I can see him having a solid year next year. As far as the CB situation, I read (I’m searching for where) that Parcells likes to use the pass rush instead of relying on the DB’s , so maybe its not a huge concern right now. I’d like to see us take one the first day, and then another late like you said.

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by HuskerDolphin on Mar 11, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is it that makes Bodden seem so good to you guys?

He was out there for a while and there wasn’t a whole lot of activity for him. Maybe Bodden is just not that good. Guys, we have 3 of the top 56 picks in the draft; we will have a couple good cornerbacks that can play the kind of coverage that they’re looking for. I’m not worried about it. Honestly, its possible that they wont take a CB at 25 either. I think we’re in for a surprise there I just can’t wait for the draft.

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by AussieKen on Mar 11, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess it is because Bodden is one of those guys

who was one season away from being a star and then ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time in the wrong scheme, however, he is still young and has nothing but upside, but again, he is not a Brandon London like kind of project, he already showed he can play.

by MauMontaV5 on Mar 11, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, like I said, I think we'll spend a DAY ONE pick on a corner

Not necessarily a 1st rounder (though I’d prefer that)

As far as Bodden, I watched him play a number of times when he was in Cleveland and I really liked what I saw from him. And here’s the bottom line (in my opinion) – there’s no one corner remaining out there that is clearly better than Bodden; and no corner will cost any less than Bodden. So if they are thinking of adding a free agent, I have to say I’m disappointed it wasn’t Bodden.

by Matty I on Mar 11, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too bad

yeah, I wanted Bodden, too. He looks like a real bargain at the price the Pats got him.

by icerob on Mar 11, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Macho Harris and Kenny Britt

Round 2 picks…

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by Mosul_DolFan on Mar 11, 2009 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there is no way Britt makes it to the second round IMO

even many people here believe he wont even make it to our 1st round pick. As for Macho, he has really dropped of the radar big time. We could even get him with our 3rd

by MauMontaV5 on Mar 11, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

a 4.63 40 time has a way to really ruin a cornerbacks stock

by Matty I on Mar 11, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am the worlds biggest R. Brown fan!

He has been a stud, since day 1. He’s averaged over 4 yards per carry in each of his 4 years, which is tremendous considering the teams we had the first 3 years. Even elite RBs dont do that when they are on bad teams,( accept a couple of the all time greats J. Brown, B. Sanders and maybe a couple others) however in 06 running behind a bad line, now let me quote M. Schlareth " to say the M.D.s line was average, would be an insult to all things average everywhere" R. Brown posted just over 1000 yds in TWELVE GAMES! He played in 13 games but gained yds in only 12. Phinomenal performances like that get over looked when your on a bad team. I look forward to this year and R. Brown cementing his statis as an NFL elite!

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by uncle finster on Mar 11, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice write uo Matty.....

We all know Ronnie is special….the way we kill Teddy for being the #9 pick…we NEVER even mention being displeased with taking Ronnie #2 overall. Thats cuz we all know he is a LT waiting to breakout.

1st rd pick HAS tob e a corner. We need to inject allot of young talent into that position. We have the safeties set for the next few years….lets go get the young corners to play in front of them and learn. I would love to see us sign just 1 vet. Bly, McCallister, or Surtain. Just someone who can at least hang with a vet WR until the draft picks learn the ropes.

1st pick – Darius Butler…BONUS-just found out he’s from Coral Springs Charter High School..were my sister goes to school now..and the place used to be a mall where i used the batting cages in high school lol

2nd rd picks….take a WR with 1….take a NT with the other.

3rd rd pick…another corner

I think a sleeper pick could be Brandon Tate the OTHER UNC WR. This guy was a surefire 1st rd pick…then blew out his knee early this season. He is compared to T.O. (skills only)

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 11, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey this just in Matty...

The Boston Globe disputes the NFL.com report that Leigh Bodden’s one-year deal is for the veteran minimum of $750,000.
According to the Globe, the deal calls for $2.25 million with $1 million guaranteed. It’s still a good deal for the Pats as Bodden was undervalued on the market. Bodden remains hopeful of signing a long term deal with the Pats down the road.
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/03/breaking_down_b.html

by YatilGinnJr on Mar 11, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is correct

i read and heard this on the radio today.

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by badjah on Mar 11, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw the Bodden signing on PFT yesterday

and my immediate reaction was….Jason Allen – starting CB – we are in trouble!

There may be some players released or waived around training camp but as it stands now, we are more or less placing all our figurative chips for a CB – on the draft.

You don’t need outstanding corners to be successful and as we’ve seen in the past few years – many of the top guys (Bailey, Asomugha, Revis) have played for average to outright bad teams. I think a player like Bodden would have fit the bill as an experienced guy who would give you solid performance every week.

As for Ronnie Brown – part of the reason his national profile isn’t as high is simply that the dolphins, until last year, had largely been flopping around the bottom of the NFL in irrelevancy. For as well as Ronnie played last year, he was even better the year before – when he was injured – but well, being on a 1-15 team takes the luster off.

by Natalya on Mar 11, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i was hoping the ronnie nugget was going to be about the trifecta working on a contract extention with him,,, :(

by orandegadsden'shands on Mar 11, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't worry

he isn’t gonna go anywhere…and if 2010 is “uncapped” then he is a restricted free agent; not an unrestricted one

by Matty I on Mar 11, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sign a solid vet like McAlister for 1 yr

if he can pass a physical. all indications are that he has been cleared, and the guy is a ball hawk who can help teach the young guys.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am really puzzled by the Bodden situation-

I understand wanting to do a year deal if you don’t think the money for a long term deal will be right- its the smart thing to do and prevents hold outs and hard feelings later.

But for the league minimum? It really seams as if Bodden didn’t want to play for anybody BUT the Patriots because any sensible team would have paid him more than the league minimum based on his last year in Cleveland alone.

I just can’t wait until after Sparano’s 3rd Super Bowl win when players are willing to take ridiculous discounts to play for us ;)

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by GatorPhan on Mar 11, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry- I missed that-

I wonder which report is true though. . . the Boston Globe version makes more sense at least.

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by GatorPhan on Mar 11, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might not be league minimum...

but like you said, it is still a pretty good deal for the pats. 1 yr at $2.25mil for a starting quality CB in this league, I would take that if I were the phins. He could have been that stop gap guy that I was talking about above.

by ct1361 on Mar 11, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Ronnie needs to get the bulk of the carries

Like you said Matty his numbers are not huge because of two years splitting carries and injuries ,but also I did not see if you mentioned this he spent two years under Saban who did not even use this kid even as the starter under Nick Ronnie hardley seen 20 plus carries in a game iI think one year it was only like 4 that is not alot for a starting back,I must say though that the only smart thing that Cam did when he was here was use Ronnie to the fullist and showcased his talent.We all know the talent this guy has.

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by Foy on Mar 11, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ronnie has kind of been labeled since he got to the phins...

Remember coming out of the draft, there was talk whether he could handle being a load RB because he split carries with Cadillac Williams in college. I think Saban thought he had to build him up slowly to the load RB. Then he got hurt, ankle if I remember, which kind of forced him into splitting carries. Then Cam came along and put him on the Tomlinson path, which he excelled at, until Cleo Freaking Lemon threw that pick and Ronnie blew his knee out. Then last year he had to split carries because he was coming back from that injury. Hopefully, now that he is completely healthy and two years removed from the knee, he can get back on the Tomlinson / Westbrook path. A dominant rusher and receiver. A true load RB that has 25 touches a game.

by ct1361 on Mar 11, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

Run Ronnie Run

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by Foy on Mar 11, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or

they will continue to split the carries so both backs are healthy going into the home stretch of games. We would not have won 5 straight late in the season had Ronnie been worn out.

by joel311 on Mar 11, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ronnie is the man

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by Patssuck456 on Mar 11, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cornerback

Apparently, the Trifecta is not as worried about picking up cornerbacks as some of the fans are. They must be comfortable with Jason Allen, Will Billingsley, and the other CBs on the team. They will draft at least one Corner in the first 3 rounds of this draft, and they will let these guys battle it out in Training Camp. We don’t need to panick and dish out money on an overpriced veteran when we can just grab a cheaper alternative in the draft, teach and train him the way we want him, and let him mature or take a starting position this year.

Lets face it, we aren’t the most talented team in the league, and we won’t be for another year or two, so we might as well get younger and talented than getting a stop-gap solution for a year or two.

I like Vic “Macho” Harris in round 2 (later pick) or round 3. I thinkwe could also go for Darius Butler from UConn, D.J. Moore from Vandy (probably with the 1st rounder) or Mike Mickens from Cincinnati in rounds 3 or 4.

I think we will try to get a NT and a pass rusher early in the draft, and a WR early too. I would love to bring in Torry Holt with a cheaper 4 year deal because he is a great leader and he still has a few good years left (a la T.O.). This would cure the need for an immediate starting wide receiver and let other guys learn from him. He is built sort of like Teddy Ginn, and I just really like Torry.

*Also, Bruschi is one of the few Pats that have class, and he definately is one tough son-of-a-gun!

by AuburnPhinFan on Mar 11, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree with you!

I know people panic when we don’t have a “known quantity” at a position, but don’t forget the Scorpio killer… from everything I have heard, they like the potential of this kid. And really, the way to beat the passing game is with a pass rush, so while we need definitely need to pick up a CB in the draft, I would expect there to be a lot of focus on NT/OLB. Maybe Wake can get’r done, but I would be surprised to see the Dolphins come out of the draft without at least some development prospects at NT and OLB.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 11, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reason I'm not worried at all about the Bodden deal

is there were 31 other teams – including us – that could have had him very easily for a similar deal. 31 teams could’ve signed him, and 31 basically just said “nah, not interested.” This isn’t some shrewd New England signing, because if he (and his agent especially) were willing to settle on a small, 1-year deal, with all that CB money flying around, then there obviously wasn’t a market for him AT ALL. And there has to be a reason why the entire league would pass on a guy. I wonder why that is…

I don’t want to bring in a veteran CB either. Will Allen is a veteran CB. Get a rookie and let him compete with Jason Allen for the starting job. Getting another veteran puts us in the same position with the secondary as we were last year. Yeah, we have starters for this season, but there’s no future. Draft a guy like Butler or Smith, start him, and let’s continue with the youth movement. Guys like Chris McAlister don’t help for squat right now.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 11, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he got 2.5 mill

there were def other bidders

by YatilGinnJr on Mar 11, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cmon

Foxworth gets $7mil a year long-term

Bodden signs for one year at $2.25mil

Who were the other bidders? And wtf did they bid to make Bodden sign that deal over the others?

I have a hard time believing that NE’s 1 year, $2.25mil contract was the winning bid out of multiple teams. Not with the way CB money flows. In order for him to accept that deal, there couldn’t have been any realistic market out there for him.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 11, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was just saying

it wasnt the minimum… so there had to be at least 1 other bidder… wasnt sure if u saw my post

by YatilGinnJr on Mar 11, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah I knew it wasn't the minimum

my point was just that it’s still VERY low for Bodden, especially considering the other deals that mediocre CB’s are signing. And for only 1 year, there’s gotta be something we all don’t know about that chased teams away from the long-term deal no?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Mar 11, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here here!

I agree increase the pass rush and bring in a high round(2nd), mid-round, and free agent CB letting them learn on the job. If worse comes to worse it is time to either throw J. Allen out there or forget about him :)

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by Blaze453 on Mar 11, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

look at what happend with Hall last year as well as this one. He got the mega contract from the king of bad deals, Al Davis. Then gets booted after being generally lousy after all of 8 games. So he signs a small deal with the skins for the rest of, then, 2008. He played well enough to earn himself a good contract in 2009 which he got.

I think Bodden is looking at a similar situation or at least he probably hopes it is similar – he takes a small one year deal and then plays well to get a big(er) contract thereafter.

by Natalya on Mar 11, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something tells me

that he really wanted to play for the Patriots if he was willing to sign for that kind of money after Goodman got 5 mil.

by joel311 on Mar 11, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Matty, ur in denial

I think that you are in denial. By the points that have made all signs are that Jason Allen will be giving the job or at least given the opportunity to be the starting CB in place of Goodman. If you look at the rise of Andre Goodman, it is a prime example of what is happening to Jason Allen.

Sparano did nothing but praise Jason all season…“we” saw his skills in 2007 as a starter at FS…and Goodman was just not that good and he put up good numbers by “not giving up on him and working with him until he got it”….

Jason Allen has a “much” higher ceiling and more UPside than Andre Goodman, so it shouldn’t be a surprise that Parcells and Co. want “him” to be the guy instead of Goodman. He is much younger, he was a much bigger investment, which Parcells has seen firsthand is well worth it…and I personally believe that the rookie brought in is actually “Will” Allen’s eventual replacement, not Jason Allen.

by mred on Mar 11, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No no

You’re in denial. I’d love to see Jason Allen earn a starting job – but I’ve seen enough of him to realize he just doesn’t have it. I’ll be hoping and praying he’s as good as you think he is, but I’m not holding my breath.

Oh – and of course Allen has more upside than Goodman. Allen is like 6 years younger. No need to state the obvious here.

by Matty I on Mar 11, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no no

YOU’RE in denial! Jason Allen is going to the Pro Bowl this year!

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 12, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

please stop saying the name Jason Allen...

i’m getting nervous.

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 12, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Mar 12, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just read on PFT

that Bodden turned down the Pats offer of 4 years 16 million on Feb.27th….not a good move….he came crawling back

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by Rzayo24 on Mar 11, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yikes

He needs to fire his agent lol

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