Weekend Roundup
Well the NFL season is now officially over - with the Pro Bowl (which I'll get to in a second) being played on Sunday in Hawaii. Now all of our focus shifts to free agency, which begins in less than 3 weeks, and to the scouting combine, which begins in a week and a half.
So let's talk about some of the news you might have missed this weekend.
And don't forget to cast your vote for the first 3 categories of the first annual Matty Awards.
JAKE LONG HURTS ANKLE, BUT IS 'FINE'
This is why I absolutely hate the Pro Bowl. It's a completely worthless game in which the game's best players - those players most valuable to their teams - could suffer an injury. And, for a little while, Dolphin fans had to go through that scare.
Jake Long injured his right ankle on Sunday during the 4th quarter of the Pro Bowl. It really didn't look too good upon first viewing. But he did leave the field on his own power and, two series later, lined up for the game's final snap - a QB kneel down. But the best news Dolphin fans got was courtesy of Jake Long's postcards on MD.com. In his postcard following the game, Jake writes:
"Toward the end of the game, I got my ankle rolled up, but it is nothing. I feel fine."
Jake went on to talk about how he planned on spending the rest of his Sunday in Hawaii, hanging by the pool, checking out the beach, and attending a luau with fireworks. So he doesn't seem to concerned about his ankle.
But that doesn't change the fact that this "all-star" game is completely pointless and needs to be changed. You can't risk a star player being hurt in an exhibition game that is played after the season. Some of these guys might not have eveb had pads on in over a month. Why subject them to the potential risk of injury? And yes, I know you can just point out how other sports have all-star games as well - and those are mid-season. But none of those sports feature as much contact as football. And the risk of injury in football is higher than in other sports.
Unfortunately, things won't change until a star player blows out a knee in this pointless exhibition game. I just hope that player isn't a Dolphin.
As for the game itself, I really didn't watch too much of it. I did see some of Ronnie's runs, though, and he looked good. He looked fresh. And I can't wait to see how well he might play next year, being further removed from his '07 knee surgery.
TALKING CAREY AND HOLLIDAY
It's rare that I ever say this, but the Herald's Armando Salguero actually wrote a good article on Sunday that talks about two key offseason decisions that the Dolphins will have to make. And they involve the futures of Vernon Carey and Vonnie Holliday.
Carey, as we all know, is an unrestricted free agent. And while he played decently at right tackle - especially as a run blocker - he wasn't as good as many thought he might be in his return to RT. So that leaves the Dolphins in a dilemma. If Carey is unsigned come February 27, the first day of free agency, other teams - especially teams that need a left tackle - will begin throwing money at Vernon, making it even tougher for the Dolphins to bring him back.
But as Armando says, letting Carey walk would really undo all the improvement that was made along the offensive line last offseason. The Dolphins would be right back to square one - with a hole at tackle and improvements needed along the interior.
One option that Barry Jackson writes would be to place the franchise tag on Carey. Says Jackson in his article:
The Dolphins told one person they would consider placing the franchise tag on Vernon Carey if needed, but that would be costly (reportedly $8.45 million for 2009).
Of course, considering how tight-lipped Bill Parcells and compaany are, I find it hard to imagine that the Dolphins are running around telling people what they are thinking about. But it does raise the question: is Vernon Carey worth "franchising"? His '09 salary - completely guaranteed, would be just under eight and a half million dollars. Is Carey - or any right tackle, worth that kind of money?
The Dolphins have until 4 pm eastern on February 19 to decide. That's the deadline for teams to use their tags. So I'd imagine contract talks between Carey and the Dolphins should heat up this week.
The Vonnie Holliday situation is a little different. Holliday, you see, carries a $5.75 million cap charge in 2009. Of that, $2.8 million is salary and $1.5 million is a roster bonus that is dued to be paid on March 3, with $200,000 more in bonuses due. Factoring in Holliday's guaranteed amortized bonuses, cutting Vonnie before March 3 would save the Dolphins $3.25 million in cap room in '09. So the question then becomes if Holliday is worth that $3.25 million.
Armando Salguero, for once, explains the Dolphins' dilemma well, writing:
Along with nose tackle Jason Ferguson, Holliday invested valuable personal time to help immature Paul Soliai learn to be a professional. Holliday also helped Merling and Langford learn the NFL game.
And although he was helping the rookies, Holliday also served as an example how veterans should act while the team was rebuilding and retooling with youngsters.
Holliday, a team captain, never complained, never second-guessed and never asked out of Miami, as another notable veteran lineman did. Holliday was exemplary in how he worked for the Dolphins. Now the Dolphins must avoid making an example of him.
I think that's the issue at hand here. Can a front office justify simply cutting a team leader, a team captain, who has been the ideal veteran teammate in that lockerroom simply because of 3.25 million dollars? I don't think so. And I wouldn't, if I was them. I just think it sends a questionable message to the rest of the team - especially to the young guys.
What do you think?
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You can't cut Holliday
I agree that it sends the wrong message to the rest of the team. His loyalty should be repaid with loyalty, and 3mil and change isn’t gonna kill us, we have plenty of cap room to afford that. I wonder if we can renegotiate with him though, maybe convert that money into signing bonus and extend his deal…
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 9, 2009 12:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You were telling me to get a clue?!
You want them to spend over 5 million on Holliday, add that to Goodman at I would have to imagine would be at least 3 million per year on a multi-year deal. So, you want to them to commit 8 million or more on Holliday and Goodman but not Channing Crowder! Come on!
Yes you can cut Holliday. Last year was last year. Like some of us say, this regime is mean, tough, and nasty…And we LIKE IT! Holliday is a good man. He’s respectful and he did his job to the fullest, but we have Merling who is ready to take over, as well as a couple hungry guys behind him. I’d like to see us fill out the defense a little more starting with signing Channing and Bell and going on from there. At least one more top tier player then we can move to the draft. Surely you wouldn’t disaggree with that right Nicky? I’m sure you’d like to reconsider your thoughts before talking about keeping these guys when we can bring in more good young players in the draft and free agency with some emerging prospects.
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by AussieKen on Feb 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're still on that?
You said Goodman sucks. I said get a clue. Get over it bro.
And we’re talking about ONE season for Holliday, against 4 or more for Crowder. $5mil next year really doesn’t kill us, but 6 or 7 tied up over the course of the next 4-5 years for a guy who I don’t believe is worth that kind of money does hurt us, IMO. I’d love to see us re-sign Bell and Crowder, but I dont’ think we need to be paying Crowder top tier ILB money when he isn’t a top tier ILB. Surely you would agree that overpaying someone is a bad idea right?
I’m sorry, but I think the situation is much more complicated than just dollars and cents. You don’t make an example of a guy like Holliday. Cutting him says to the rest of the team that your loyalty won’t be reciprocated, and I don’t agree with that approach.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 9, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I tend to remember things people say like that. Nicky, first of all its Mr. Ross’ money and I don’t care how much of it he spends because he’ll still be a Billionare. 6-7 million over 4-5 years is not completely out of line for Channing becuase he had solid production in terms of tackles and he did a good job of being a leader with a new regime coming in. Secondly, Parcells is 67 years old! He has talked about each year becoming more precious! LOL! Bill Parcells using language like that leads me to believe he’s not exactly worried about 5 years from now, though we know that he won’t do something completely stupid. Lastly, it is about dollars and cents. That’s how we bring some really good football players in to get us into the SuperBowl. You don’t get there by being nice to the old guys. Cutting Holliday will free up money to make the team better and I think that they should do just that.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Feb 9, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The word 'solid production' is key-
Hey- I am a Gator, and I love Channing more than most Phin fans, but he isn’t worth breaking the bank for. He had good tackle production but thats it. And ILB in a 3-4 isn’t exactly tough to pick up via the draft or FA for someone who can just tackle.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 9, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right when I saw franchise Carey
I thought that’s too much money. We can always address RT in the draft of in FA, so we don’t need to keep him for that much money if his asking price is that high.
Keep Holiday. Like Nicky said 3 mil is a drop in the bucket when he can provide the mentoring to Merling and Langford while also still producing on the field.
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by DolfinPhan on Feb 9, 2009 12:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not to say "I told you so."
JAKE LONG HURTS ANKLE, BUT IS ‘FINE’
This is why I absolutely hate the Pro Bowl. It’s a completely worthless game in which the game’s best players – those players most valuable to their teams – could suffer an injury. And, for a little while, Dolphin fans had to go through that scare.
Think next year’s pre SB Pro Bowl…
"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."
by Tunaflipper on Feb 9, 2009 1:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pro Bowl..
What’s wrong with it being before the SuperBowl???
It's better to keep your mouth shut and make people think your dumb, then to open it and remove all doubt..
by BamaPhinzFan on Feb 9, 2009 3:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't make any sense
for players in the Super Bowl to participate in the Pro Bowl next year. I’m sure they and their teams would not allow them due to the risk of injury. Being in the Super Bowl would also necessitate spending less time with their own team preparing for the Super Bowl. Not exactly the brightest idea to have the Pro Bowl before the Super Bowl. Does anyone know why they are changing it?
by kcorona4 on Feb 9, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine but
The players that are on the AFC and NFC championship teams will not play in the Pro Bowl…
It's better to keep your mouth shut and make people think your dumb, then to open it and remove all doubt..
by BamaPhinzFan on Feb 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I say resign Carey to a long term deal
No need to create another hole. Also resign Bell, then draft Sean Smith in the first round, followed by Max Unger with 2A. Followed that up with Kenny Britt with 2B.
by JakeLong77 on Feb 9, 2009 2:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
$8.45mil is a cheap price...
…to buy one more year with Carey, barring re-signing him to a cap-friendly deal. Even if they re-sign him this offseason, its going to cost them a lot more than that for a signing bonus. In fact, if you double that, I wouldn’t even be surprised that someone offers him $15mil+ in upfront money. So, for $8.45mil you hold onto him and figure out where this line is going. At least, we won’t be rebuilding the entire line again this offseason.
If a good RT falls to us during the draft, and the opportunity arises to move Carey to RG, then great. If Carey hits the open market, I believe he is gone. Someone will throw a lot of money at him and move him to LT. This team needs 2 more solid OL even with Carey staying. Lets not go that route.
by dab415217 on Feb 9, 2009 9:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
but that's not how it works as far as the cap goes
a $15 million signing bonus is spread over the life of the contract – generally speaking. And it would be shocking if Carey’s 2009 cap number (if he isn’t franchised) is higher than $8.45 million.
by Matty I on Feb 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know exactly how the cap works. However,...
…most bonuses are paid upfront. So in real cost to the franchise is more if they sign him to a longterm deal now.
Make no mistake about it, in my mind, I’m ready to give him that bigtime contract now. However, I was just referring to the fact that IF the Dolphins are reticent about giving him that big deal this year, and maintaining some flexibility with him to see how he does for another year before giving him a big contract, that $8.45mil is a small price to pay.
In no way am I saying this is the route I’d prefer. I’d prefer to sign him now and get it over with.
by dab415217 on Feb 9, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But it doesn't matter the "real cost"
All that matters, to us fans, is his cap number. And a cap number of $8.45 million is rather ridiculous for Carey. That would chew up over 25% of Miami’s reported cap space this offseason.
by Matty I on Feb 9, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I’m not worried at all with how much comes out of Ross’ pockets, only how it affects our cap situation. I’d rather get the situation solved this year, whether that means locking him up long-term or having him leave and drafting a replacement. Ideally, we re-sign him, and draft for depth on Day 2, but things don’t always work out in the Ideal way.
But I’d rather know one or another whether Carey is here long-term or not going into the draft, instead of franchising him, paying that $8+ million, and be sitting in the same situation next season wondering if we need a starting RT or not.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 9, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind...we're obviously not connecting on my meaning.
You can either commit longterm right now, which is my preference. Or, you can tie him up for a year by Franchising him, retaining some flexibility to sign him longterm later in the offseason, trade him later in the offseason, or let him play the year and put off the decision til next year.
The one option I, and I stress “I”, don’t like is just letting him hit the market.
by dab415217 on Feb 9, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Best solution in my opinion is...
Super Bowl week…everyone is sitting around for 2 weeks…why not do a Stars Skills competition like they used to? QB’s hitting moving targets…..Fastest man competition (wtf happened to that?)….Jug guns shooting footballs at WRs in a hands contest….all that crap.
Make it worth it by making the prizes nice and give the contestants some super bowl tickets….
if ur in the Super Bowl…oh well too bad for you…u have better things to do than try to win 10,000 bucks..
the game/event is menat to celebrate the game…but football cant be played at 50% with all these rules…everyone knows when ur trying not to get hurt and playing diffrent thats when you get banged up
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by Rzayo24 on Feb 9, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Amen!
"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."
by Tunaflipper on Feb 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah what happened to the Skills competition?
Anyway why not have the Probowl in the middle of the year like all the other sports, just have the game played in week 8 and have a bye after to give these guys a rest before the season starts again.
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
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by Patssuck456 on Feb 9, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think getting rid of Holliday would be a big mistake- even outside of the team captain aspect-
a.) even though he is older he is still productive b.) he is a valuable mentor, and if we cut him we wouldn’t have any veteran DEs c.) $3.25 mill really isn’t going to make or break the roster, and we’d still have a significant portion of his contract come back as ‘dead money’ in the cap for which we get no return.
"They say statistics are for losers, but losers are usually the ones thinking that. . . . Everything we do is analyzed. Is that the bottom line? No. You can't analyze the heart of Tim Tebow." - Urban Meyer
by GatorPhan on Feb 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Vonnie Holliday
We’re only talking 1.7 Million dollars in cash. The 3.25 is cap money which most has already been paid.
by sdelinois on Feb 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No...i think I'm not explaining myself well enough.
Allow me to try again:
Holliday’s ‘09 cap number is $5.75 million. Of that, $2.8 million is salary, $1.5 million is a roster bonus due March 3, $200,000 is other bonus money. That’s $4.5 million. The remaining $1.25 million is prorated bonuses that must be paid out to him. So cutting Holliday before March 3 saves the Dolphins from paying the $1.5 million roster bonus, his $2.8 million salary, and (I belive) the $200,000 in other bonus money. However, Holliday is signed through 2010. So the Dolphins would have to take the hit for his 2010 prorated bonus money (another $1.25 million). So that means the Fins would have $2.5 million in dead money for releasing Holliday.
So the Dolphins could keep Holliday on the roster and take a cap hit of $5.75 million or they could cut him and take a cap hit of $2.5 million. Therefore, the difference between keeping Vonnie and cutting Vonnie is $3.25 million.
by Matty I on Feb 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can u explain that again...only this time in Spanish?
"Worst 2 First"...Your 2008 AFC East Champion Miami Dolphins
by Rzayo24 on Feb 9, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL- poor Matty
you know we can’t all be math whizzes like you ;)
"They say statistics are for losers, but losers are usually the ones thinking that. . . . Everything we do is analyzed. Is that the bottom line? No. You can't analyze the heart of Tim Tebow." - Urban Meyer
by GatorPhan on Feb 9, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
Carey will not be franchised and will be signed to a long term deal or we will go in another direction. If he thinks he can get LT money we will have to look elswhere. Paying him 8 mil a yr is out of the question IMO, The only way I could see them franchising him is if they don’t have a good plan B, because we have the cap space and it will be off the cap the following yr.
Holliday will be signed for an addition two yrs to help lower his cap value and keep him in that part time position for the next 3 years. I think the way he caries himself and takes care of his body will make the FO want to keep him around until he retires and then bring him back as a coach(mentor) during the summer camps. I think the Tuna really likes him.
by jvw on Feb 9, 2009 4:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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