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My Case For Karlos Dansby

Over the next 3 weeks, I plan on doing a few of these kinds of posts.  Basically, I'm going to make my case for why I feel the Dolphins should sign certain free agents.

An I'm starting off with the guy who I most want to see in Miami - well, outside of CB Nnamdi Asomugha, but it's highly unlikely the Raiders let him test the open market.

It was last week when I made my case for how much I think Dolphin free agent LB Channing Crowder should look to get paid.  But he's probably going to want more than $4 to $5 million per year - and I just don't think he's worth it.  Enter Karlos Dansby.

Standing at 6'4, 250, Dansby certainly passes the Bill Parcells "eyeball test."  And he also has the three key attributes that Bill looks for in his players - big, smart, and fast.  Like Crowder, Dansby was a 3-down linebacker in Arizona and was the defensive signal caller.  Unlike Channing, Dansby makes plays.  Below are his career stats.  Notice the tackles for a loss, sacks, pass deflections, and interceptions.

Year Team Tks Solo Sck TFL FF FR Int PD
2004 Ari 54 38 5 2.5 1 3 1 5
2005 Ari 86 68 4 7 2 2 3 5
2006 Ari 82 69 8 4 2 1 0 3
2007 Ari 91 78 3.5 3.5 4 0 3 8
2008 Ari 119 95 4 8.5 2 3 2 5

You can clearly see that not only is Dansby a game changer and a play maker - something Crowder has never proven to be - he's also improving each and every season.  And at the age of 27, he is just now entering the prime of his career.

I think the biggest reason why the Dolphins really should go hard after Karlos is because of his versatility and how adding a player like Dansby can completely change the complexion of a defense - especially the defense that Paul Pasqualoni is running here in Miami.

Karlos can play both inside and outside.  But I think his skill set suits him more for inside linebacker.  He's a very good coverage linebacker - as shown in the Super Bowl when Dansby dropped back some plays to safety depth.  But he's also a terrific blitzer - and that's what would add tremendous unpredictability to Miami's 3-4 defense.  Imagine having Joey Porter and another pass-rusher outside with Dansby and (probably) Akin Ayodele inside.  Realistically, you would have 3 linebackers who could blitz on any particular play.  It would make Miami's defense far more unpredictable and more complex to gameplan for.  And it would give offensive linemen headaches, as they try to recognize where the pressure will be coming from on each play.

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So why would the Cardinals let a young stud linebacker like Dansby hit the open market?  After all, they have $40 million in cap room and could simply slap the franchise tag on Dansby.  Truth be told, I don't know why Arizona would let Dansby test the market, either.  But what I do know is that Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic believes the Cards will allow Dansby to look around, writing:

ILB Karlos Dansby mellowed a bit from last week when he said he should be first up for a new deal this off-season. Dansby said he's confident he'll be returning. I'm not so sure. Free agency starts Feb. 27. At this late date, I'll be surprised if Dansby re-signs before entering the market. He'll want to see what he's worth to other teams.

And remember, it was last week when Dansby said this:

"[The Dolphins] definitely need a linebacker. My respect for Parcells is huge, man. Parcells came to me, I think it was my second year in the league, we're playing in Dallas and he told me I'm a heck of a player. That meant a lot for me coming from a legend like that. Definitely, I like South Beach."

The question then becomes what Karlos is looking for, financially speaking.  Odds are he'll seek a contract similar to what the Jets gave Dansby's former teammate, Calvin Pace, last offseason - 6 years, $42 million ($21 mil guaranteed).  Truth be told, Dansby is far more deserving of that kind of deal than Pace is.  And if the rumors are right and the Dolphins were heavily involved in the Pace race, then there's no reason why the Dolphins shouldn't offer Dansby $7 million per year.

But is that even enough for Dansby?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  But I wouldn't go too much higher and I think that $7.5 million per year should probably be Miami's ceiling.  After all, this regime doesn't believe in breaking the bank for one free agent.  But Dansby is special because he'd be a dynamic player in Miami's 3-4 defense and is a player whose best days are still ahead of him.

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Go get him

I would think that he’s someone that the trifecta is keeping a close eye on getting him eliminates a position of need for us in the draft and we can go get another position secured up and especially with crowder leaving there will be a hole in the LB spot waiting for Dansby to come snatch it up

by Miamiboi84 on Feb 4, 2009 12:29 AM EST reply actions  

let crowder go...

He’s a nice athlete but he can’t get the big play because he’s a moron. I don’t think that Florida education is serving him too well. Remember this gem:

"I couldn’t find London on a map if they didn’t have the names of the countries…I know Italy looks like a boot. I learned that. I know London Fletcher…He’s black, so I’m sure he’s not from London."

He’s just not smart enough to anticipate where the play is going but still does well because he’s intense and fast. Go get Dansby for 7mill/yr and not Crowder for 5 mill/yr.

by nriehl on Feb 4, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

please don't judge him based on that quote

he was joking. He says shit like that for the press. And not knowing where London is on a map has no correllation with recognizing a play on the field. It’s stupid to say that because of that quote he stinks at linebacker.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

lol idc i'd pay him 4.5-5m a year. I love the guy. the fire and intensity he brings is unparralleld to anyone we have.

lol he also has the best sayings

—> on if the high altitude in denver may affect his play
—> his answer: No. I went on my roof and did some pushups. I’ll be fine

lol something like that crowder = worth that 5m a year. why create unneccesary holes huh? so what if he doesnt have a pic or a fumble. hes a tackling machine that rallies the people around him.

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by finsxfactor on Feb 5, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the problem is

for 5mil, you want a guy creating turnovers. The defense is designed for him to make tackles, so any decent ILB will be able to rack them up. But to pay 5mil+ a year for an ILB, he better make plays. I think that’s why people want Dansby over Crowder, even if it costs a little more. If Crowder takes 3.5 a year, I’m doing that all day.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 5, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

i just think the need for having Impact plays doesnt neccessarily mean we have to get rid of crowder

we have what 30-35 in cap? we dont have a huge draft pick to sign. im all for alloting 5m to crowder (idk how cap works but i think i have the general idea)

thatlly leave bout 25-30m for draft and ohters lol. and plus we can still cut wilford which im sure will pretty much nullify crowders contract money (because of room we save)

but idk. maybe phinatic can clear this up for me one more time lol

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by finsxfactor on Feb 5, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem wouldn't be with this year's cap number

because just about every contract isn’t clear cut and dry $whatever million a year, every year. It’s backloaded.

So, say a guy is given a 5 year, $10mil deal, with a $5mil signing bonus. The bonus is split up evenly over the length of the deal for cap purposes, but the salary can be broken up in any way.
So year 1, he may only get $500k in salary, making his total cap number (what’s charged against the salary cap) only $1.5mil including the bonus.
But by year 4 and 5 of that deal, the salary will be up near $4mil or $5mil to cover the total cost of the contract.

I’m not saying Crowder isn’t worth, say, 4 years at $20mil, but he’s gonna want bonus money, which drives the cap number up, and the final couple years of that deal will be huge. I’d like to keep him for maybe a 4 year $14mil deal, with a smaller bonus and performance bonuses built in for INT’s, FF’s, and a Pro Bowl entry. This way, if he makes the big plays, he gets paid for them, but if he continues to be a tackling machine and that’s it, he doesn’t cost us more than he’s worth.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 5, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Would love to see...

… Miami sign Dansby/Peppers and Asamougha. I think that we can take care of everything else from the draft (Assuming we resign Carey, Bell, and Goodman)

by StinkyMojo on Feb 4, 2009 1:20 AM EST reply actions  

there's no way this team signs BOTH Dansby and Asomugha.

Asomugha, if he does hit the open market (unlikely) will cost 11 or 12 mil per year.

by Matty I on Feb 4, 2009 7:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably more than that.

There will be something like 20 teams making offers, and the bidding war I think will take him over 14 a year. I’m not willing to pay that much for anybody unless I’m getting Peyton Manning at 24 years old…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd be willing to pay Dansby

more than Crowder. He’s a much more dynamic player, and he brings more to the table. I think we should address the ILB position in FA anyway because I don’t think it’s a position of strength in the draft. Dansby is a stud, and he’d fit very nicely into Paul P’s 34 defense.

And I agree 100% on Dansby > Pace. Pace got paid because of potential, Dansby will get paid based on production and skills.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 1:33 AM EST reply actions  

I dont think this is happening

During the SB John Madden and Al Michaels repeated over and over again how much of a key Karlos Dansby was to that defense, and the team as a whole. The Cardinals have lots of cap space so they dont have to let him go. The only real possibility is if he wants out of Arizona. The good thing is that he commented about Parcells and Miami and was really positive. But still, I dont see this happening, unless Arizona is not willing to overpayhim and we are, which wont happen either.

by MauMontaV5 on Feb 4, 2009 2:31 AM EST reply actions  

Arizona is one of the teams with the MOST cap space

they’d be fools not to resign what they have……I mean, they just went to the Super Bowl with these guys.

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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 4, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we can switch

we get Dansby and they sign Crowder.

by Coolbean04 on Feb 4, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Well the thing is..

the only way they can guarantee keeping him is by franchising him. Just because they have a ton of capspace doesn’t mean they’re going to give him 10mil to stay there. I think he’ll hit the market because, whether he wants to stay in Arizona or not, multiple teams bidding on him will drive his worth up. And if Arizona wants to keep him, they’ll have to pony up and re-sign him as a free agent. I really think he’s gonna go to the open market and test the waters, there’s always the possibiliity to go back.

And if Parcells calls him up with a reasonable offer, I think he’ll take it.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Shore up the middle

by getting Dansby, Raji (move up ) and then drafting 2 DBs studs in the second round would be great.

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by Phintastic on Feb 4, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

How are we moving up for Raji,

AND drafting 2 DB’s in the second round? In order to move up high enough to get BJ, we’ll have to give up one or both of the 2nds.

What do you think about standing pat with our picks and getting Ron Brace or Fili Moala with one of our first 2 picks? Brace may fall to 44, giving us the opportunity to take a guy like Alex Mack or Duke Robinson, Louis Delmas or Macho Harris, or a WR like Kenny Britt or Darrius Heyward-Bey.

It’s a pretty deep draft, so I think there’s better options than trading up for one guy…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

that's the question

I guess it all depends on who they make the trade with, i’m assuming picks 9-11 to get Raji. A good center wouldnt be a bad deal, I could see Mack(1st), (Victor Harris, Johnson,Delmas or Macho Harris 2nd) and Brace as the first 3 picks and maybe Nic Harris in the 3rd. Hell lets just draft all the Harris(s).

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by Phintastic on Feb 4, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

right

lol Victor Harris IS Macho Harris.

Nic Harris is most likely going to be a 4-3 OLB at the NFL level. He really doesn’t have the speed to play safety, but he could be a Derrick Brooks-type OLB.

And Raji is most likely in that 9-12 range, you’re right, and I think that would cost waaay too much to get him, both with draft picks to get up there, then the contract for another top 10 pick. If we can land Mack, one of the DB’s, and Brace on day 1, it’ll be a great day.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

hehe that was funny

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by finsxfactor on Feb 4, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

britt

what’s the farthest Britt is expected to be picked at (early – mid 2nd round)?

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by Phintastic on Feb 4, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I've seen him picked as high as the teens

and as late as the 50’s, so it’s tough to really figure out where he’s projected. I got him in the 20-40 range, meaning we may be able to steal him with pick 44.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

defense

I think i would still stick with defense for at least 2 of the first 3 picks, hopefully a picking up Free agent LB and Wake firm up the Linebacking, then the draft solidfies the rest of the D.

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by Phintastic on Feb 4, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

there’s WR’s we can get on day 2 that could help anyway, whether it be Ramses Barden, Patrick Turner, or even the other Rutgers kid Underwood.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

lol the other rutgers kid...idk bout that haha

i kinda lost a little faith in him this year. but he has a shot

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by finsxfactor on Feb 4, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

As a late round prospect though

he’s got great measureables, and I have faith that our coaching staff can get whatever potential out of him that he has. For one of our 7th rounders, I’d take a shot at him.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 5, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

and the fact that hes from rutgers is a plus lol =)

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by finsxfactor on Feb 5, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Mack

is he the only viable center in this draft?

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by Phintastic on Feb 4, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

no not at all

it’s actually a really good center class.

Alex Mack, Cal
Max Unger, Oregon
Eric Wood, Louisville
Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas
Antoine Caldwell, Alabama

Mack, IMO, is just well above the rest of them.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

options

A good center would give the offense a good lift and some flexibility with Satele.

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by Phintastic on Feb 4, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

We'll have to see what happens with Al Johnson

supposedly this regime likes him alot, and they actually signed him and gave him PT while he was still rehabbing an injury, so they could just stand pat and let him compete with Satele for the C job. I would love to see Duke Robinson drafted, because I’m really worried that Smiley may not be fully recovered once the season starts… Duke and Jake on the left side would be NASTY.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

sooner

I’m a Sooner fan so that would be alright also. Bigger, Faster and stronger.

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by Phintastic on Feb 4, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Matty-

trying to convince us that we should get Dansby is like shooting fish in a barrell! He is young, a playmaker, buys into the Parcells philosophy, and mentioned playing in Miami. Hopefully he meant it, and is not just trying to squeeze a few extra $$ out of the Cards. If we are able to sign him, it would be the coup of the free agency period.

I only see two ways he gets out of there. 1.) He explicitly states he doesn’t want to play for Arizona even after going to the SB with them and/or 2.) The Bidwills cheap out as they have done in the past and refuse to pay him what he is worth or franchise him.

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by GatorPhan on Feb 4, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

The franchise tag is the only thing standing in our way right now.

I don’t think AZ can get a contract worked out before the FA period, and I think he really wants to hit the open market and at least feel out what he’s worth. If he doesn’t get franchised, then all we have to do is have a good offer ready and hand Parcells the phone at 12:01 lol.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

caught you

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by finsxfactor on Feb 4, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

If he is as good

playing the outside as he is inside lets get him. I say pay him the 7.5-8 mil a year if thats the case. He would do wonders for our D. OC will not be able to effectively take Joey out of the game as they were able to do late in season if we can get a rush from the other side (hopefully Wake) and from the middle or other side from Dansby. With that much heat coming from the LB position you will see our young DL making more plays in the backfield.

Arizona let Pace go……was it because they wanted to save the money for Dansby? or Do they feel they can replace Dansby as they did Pace without the huge contract or signing bonus?……I’m on board with this one.

by jvw on Feb 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions  

inside linebacker

Great call on Dansby. I’d love to see him in Miami. With Zack gone he could certainly fill that gap. I miss Zack, his presence was probably at least a seven point difference in a game. Dansby is great.

by luvthefins on Feb 4, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

Dansby

I forgot, another reason for not only Dansby but other good free agents to give Miami consideration is this – with a few key players in place Miami will be a contender. Lets face it, Dansby will not see the superbowl again with Arizona. Players want to be on a championship team and I feel like next year or the following year will be the year of the Fin. GO FINS!

by luvthefins on Feb 4, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

great point

players all around the league know Parcells track record and they see the huge turnaround between the last 2 seasons. They are gonna want to hop aboard this team now and be here for the Championship runs.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I May Be Wrong...

But I believe Dansby was franchised in 2008, so they can’t franchise him again this year.

He’ll get to test the waters. The question is whether the Phins will want to pay big bucks on a middle linebacker.

I’d love to see him here. A big play linebacker who is stellar in pass coverage? Jeeze…

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by The Phinisher on Feb 4, 2009 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

Well

they CAN franchise him, it just costs them the average of the top 5 contracts plus 20% because they franchised him 2 years in a row. It’s extremely expensive to do so, so I agree that he’ll hit the market.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe....

not 100% positive on that…

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmm...

I always thought that a player couldn’t be tagged two years in a row. But what you’re saying sounds familiar.

In either case, that’s more money than the Cards like to spend.

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by The Phinisher on Feb 4, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

right

We just gotta make sure Parcells has his number on speed dial ready to go at 12:01 at the start of the FA period lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 4, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Dansby is what Crowder should have been

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When it's me I can't forgive?"

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