Pats trade Matt Cassel
by Matty I on Feb 28, 2009 1:24 PM EST
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It's not Dolphin news - but still worthy of some discussion.
Adam Schefter is reporting that the Patriots have traded Matt Cassel from the Patriots, but it's unknown to which team Cassel is headed. Schefter believes that the Chiefs are somehow involved - but a third team might also be involved. The compensation is currently unknown - but I get the feeling it's going to involve some high draft picks. However, NBC Sports' Tom Curran reports that KC's #3 overall pick is not involved in this trade.
[Update 1:46 pm] Peter King is reporting that the Chiefs got Cassel and Mike Vrabel and the Pats, in return, will get KC's 2nd round pick. [end update]
So what does this mean to the Pats? It likely means that Tom Brady's rehab is going fine. After all, would the Pats trade Cassel if they weren't confident in Brady's ability to be ready for the regular season?
Personally, though, I have to wonder about this trade from the point of view of the team receiving Cassel. I'm not so sure Cassel is the QB many want to make him out to be. I think it's more likely that Cassel was a product of New England's system.
So what's your reaction to this news?
(Hat tip to "k2oconnor" for his fanpost)
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Perhaps Pioli...
… is still on the NE payroll? He’s sending a lot of those KC picks back home through this and the Vrabel trade…
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by Daniel52 on Feb 28, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its for a player
All I know is that Brady better be as “100%” as Culpepper was when the Fins had him, and he sucks it up big time!
I just hope the Pats do not have the 3rd pick overall
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by k2oconnor on Feb 28, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brady is NOT OUR problem dude!
Cassel gone!
Good enough for me
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)
by Aleta on Feb 28, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking News
Cassel is expected to be traded! There is a mystery team in the mix…
Listening to the radio up here people speculate the Pats wants Peppers, if some how this involves Cassel to Cheifs, theird 1st to Carolina and Peppers to NE, that would SUCK
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by k2oconnor on Feb 28, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit that WOULD SUCK BIG TIME.
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by KCsince88 on Feb 28, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
do you think the Pats would shell out the cash for Peppers? He is gonna be looking to get paid better than Haynesworth because a pass rusher is generally considered more valuable than a DT.
Look at the difference in franchise tag costs:
Defensive End $8,879,000 ($7,679,000 for Transition Tag)
Defensive Tackle $6,363,000 ($5,654,000 for Transition Tag)
If you go by %- Peppers will probably be asking for something like $50-55 million guaranteed.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 28, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel is borderline awful in my opinion-
I think Pioli and Belichick had a deal- Bill would allow Pioli to leave the organization, as long as Pioli lets Bill rape the Chiefs his first year there. Seriously- trading for a 70 year old LB, and now giving up a 1st rounder for a guy who can’t take a snap from under center or throw the ball more than 10 yards down field.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 28, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Cassels success came from being on the Pats, with Moss, Welker and great coaching. Now Bowe and Tony G are good, but not Randy Moss and Welker good! And the Cheifs coaching, nothing against Todd Haley, but its not going to happen!
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by k2oconnor on Feb 28, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are in one the weakest divisions in Football
The room for a successful season is there when you play the porous Oakland and Denver Ds. Chargers, who knows how good they are going to be.
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by DolfinPhan on Feb 28, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i believe
that this could actually be the end of the patriots.
what if they THINK his rehab is going well, but it is not. He faulters and – gasp – O’Connell or whoever steps in and blows chunks. Free-agents don’t want to go there, and they can’t find a QB to throw to Moss. He starts crying and quits on them.
Maybe it’s just wishful thinking, but I can’t help wishing for the worst case scenerio for the Patsies.
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by fishstick on Feb 28, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
espn is reporting that it is to the chiefs
by Ozols on Feb 28, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
S.I.'s Peter King says
the Chiefs got Cassel and Vrabel for the their second rounder (34 overall).
Not a bad deal for the Chiefs.
Seriously?
by Daren on Feb 28, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Patriots Messed up royaly!!!!
They only gave up a second round pick for Cassel!!!! Here’s the link.
http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/
Now is the time- the time to rise up from the depths of Hell and stake our claim back on top of the AFC East...Look out Gaytriots here comes Jake Long and the Phins
by FinzD54 on Feb 28, 2009 1:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cassell AND Vrabel, that is.
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by KCsince88 on Feb 28, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good I Fing hate the Pats
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by k2oconnor on Feb 28, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they should have asked for tyler thigpen
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by DolfinPhan on Feb 28, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"So, with all due apologies to the Patriots, the current score is Pioli 1, Pats 0." - Peter King
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by KCsince88 on Feb 28, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not so fast
The the Pats may have given him a discount for a reason, they save themselves cap space and they make room for more players to rebuild their D with.
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by DolfinPhan on Feb 28, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh- Peter King has a Cassel fetish-
he’s the new Favre. But Cassel isn’t even worth a 7th rounder to a team that doesn’t run a shotgun spread offense.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 28, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you really think
that haley would get cassel and not make the offense viable for him?
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by fishstick on Feb 28, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he'll try
but do they have 3 or 4 WRs who are actually worthy of being on the field? If not, those plays aren’t gonna work.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 28, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Herm Edwards coached that team down
when they played with a spread O, Todd Haley I have more faith in.
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by DolfinPhan on Feb 28, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And they could get crabtree if they really wanted to
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by DolfinPhan on Feb 28, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They're talking bout that on the radio here right now.
Most everybody is saying Crabtree still isn’t their guy. They need an O-Line to help protect Cassell now.
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by KCsince88 on Feb 28, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is true- they can get the players-
I just heard a scout breaking down his play on NFL Radio the other day and he was even more negative on him then I already was. The guy broke down all his tape for the year and said he can’t read a defense from under center, his mechanics get all jacked up when he is under pressure, he can’t throw a deep ball, and in his most successful games he took over 85% of his snaps from the shotgun.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 28, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
devils advocate on that
and probably the way I’d see it from a Chiefs perspective. Last year was really Cassels first year under center. He’ll take some work to get to where they need him to be, and if they only gave a 2nd rd pick for him, thats pretty good. Look at who others have got for a 2nd rounder. I admit, the pricetag is way more, I mean WAY more, but its still only a 2nd rounder.
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Dolphins did this a couple years ago...
Remember AJ Feeley? The Phins traded a 2nd round pick for a back-up QB with little playing time that had a few good games. Philly got the better end of that deal. I think NE gets the better end of this one.
Here is another comparison. Scott Mitchell.
How many back-up QB’s leave a team for another and really succeed? It is not too many. I can only think of a few.
by ct1361 on Feb 28, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true.....
but like I said, its only Cassels first year under center. I admit its a risk….but for only a 2nd rounder, and he was taken by Pioli who KNOWS him. Unlike the shot in the dark that Detroit did with Scott Mitchell. Time will tell on this…….the thing I think about is, what is Belichek going to REALLY do with this 2nd rd pick? He could trade it, up or down, use it in conjunction with a trade or something like that…..I hate the guy, but I wouldn’t play chess against him.
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Belichek is friggin Bobby Fisher compared to Pioli
The Pats just traded a guy making a ton of money and if everything goes well will never see the field for a draft pick that will probably play quite a bit. The Pats are going to draft D and now have an extra pick (35 I think). That extra pick helps them tremendously for getting younger on that side of the ball.
by ct1361 on Feb 28, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll be fighting with the Pats
on draft day just like on a game day……..probably be going after some of the same guys and types of players……Its going to be interesting
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that is the thing-
Belichik doesn’t come out on the wrong side of deals. . .
"Right now he’s got to be one of the best players in America. He’s got the best first step . . .What he did to prepare for that game is what legends are made of." Urban Meyer on Percy Harvin
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by GatorPhan on Feb 28, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.......and thats where my worry lies
but…….we got the Teacher…..not the Student……lol
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sometimes the student out performs the teacher
Let’s hope that this won’t be one of those times.
by ct1361 on Feb 28, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
amen bubba
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think that
they are planning on a one year fix. I don’t think you invest in a QB without thinking about the offense you want to run. they have a plan installed and they are executing the beginning stages of it.
i think it’s a great move on the chiefs part.
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by fishstick on Feb 28, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they aren't going to build Rome in one day in KC
if they get tons of picks to rebuild their D by shipping Vrabel and Cassel to the Chiefs, its a good deal. They save tons of cap space and get young via draft picks. As for the Chiefs, only time will tell and they better put some guys around Cassel that can help him. Its going to be interesting to see what kind of QB he is without all that talent around him. How does this effect the Dolphins? It doesn’t really….we just have to keep on keepin’ on with our rebuild and worry about ourselves.
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see if Brady is Rusty!
One can only hope.
by MassFinFan65 on Feb 28, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This would give the Pats THREE 2nd round picks in the draft this year!!
Shit, that is where they find all the studs.
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by KCsince88 on Feb 28, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2009/02/mystery-team-making-play-for-c.html
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by KCsince88 on Feb 28, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think....
That Tom Brady was also a product of the Patriot’s system, and what that gave Brady was the opportunity to develop into something more, though I don’t buy the idea that if Brady went somewhere else he’d still be as good because, even if I don’t like the Patriots, they are the best “team” in the NFL and possibly in professional sports. Brady looked so goddamn good for so long because there were 10 guys around him doing EXACTLY what they were supposed to do, and 11 guys on the other side of the ball for the Pats who did what THEY were supposed to do. Tom Brady got the credit but it’s Parcells’ football team.
So Cassell may blow next season, but only becuase the guys around him aren’t being coached by Parcells, and if Brady went to…the Browns…he’d probably play a lot like Sage Rosenfeilds, and if he doesn’t, it’s only because he got to spend so many years listening to what Parcells tells him and letting it sink in. If Cassell has the ability to take everything he’s learned with him, I think he’s got a fair chance to be a good quarterback. I’m just glad he’s going to KC where there’s no harm.
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by SunDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Someone needs to kill brady
ok maybe not but a career ending injury would do just fine.
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by BSerious72 on Feb 28, 2009 2:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
u bserious?
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by DolfinPhan on Feb 28, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, he is married now......
maybe that’ll take him down a few notches..lol Man, just went over to SB’s Chief site, and its fireworkds and celebration over there. Tons of rumours flying around, like T. Gonzalez going to NE and stuff like that……its nuts. They seem pretty happy with the deal from what I saw.
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if i were a chiefs fan
i’d be happy too.
I mean hell, I’m not a chiefs fan and I’m happy. The patriots are driving a used car with no insurance. yeah they got a 2nd round pick, but i don’t think thats good enough compensation for a QB who won 11 games in his first season starting SINCE HIGH SCHOOL.
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by fishstick on Feb 28, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and a veteren LB with leadership skills for a rebuilding team......
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 28, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My reaction is that the Chiefs got a good darn good QB.
Think about it, no one knew Cassel because he didn’t play at all in college. But you have to be pretty good to make it to USC as a qb, and he mastered the system pretty well there in NE, so don’t think the Chiefs will be a top 5 drafting team next year. Congrats to the Chiefs.
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by AussieKen on Feb 28, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah- USC QBs are all great! Like Matt Leinart- the guy who beat him out!
Oh wait. . . lol
Carson Palmer was good at least. I guess we’ll all get to see- but I think he only was traded for a 2nd rounder for a reason.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 28, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me but Leinart is one of the best QB’s in college football history; nothing can take that away not even a sorry pro career.
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by AussieKen on Feb 28, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and you cant even say he had a sorry pro career
when he’s backing up a veteran QB (eventually a hall of famer) who just led that team to the superbowl.
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by fishstick on Feb 28, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Kurt Warner is an exceptional human being, you can fault him for being a back-up to that guy. But, if his pro career coninues on this path, he sux as far as the pros.
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by AussieKen on Feb 28, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was good in college-
but he is a mediocre pro right now and it is gonna be tough for him. He really needs to step it up on the mental/preparation side- remember Warner didn’t have the job, and Arizona didn’t actually want to give it to him- but they had no choice due to his poor play. From what I can gather he could deal with improving his arm strength as well- until he gets as smart as Penne it will hold him back.
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by GatorPhan on Mar 1, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I know- I just take any chance to razz Leinart I get- never much cared for him.
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by GatorPhan on Mar 1, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i think Cassel blows, he’s a product of the system. Anyone who gets to play in that system for long enough w/ Moss & Welker would look good.
by YatilGinnJr on Feb 28, 2009 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone thought the Pats were going to leave 30 mil of QBs on one roster.
by Offer Doll on Feb 28, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good luck and good bye!
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by buckeyebill on Feb 28, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good deal for the Chiefs.
Cassel may not be as good as he looked for most of last year, but a 2nd-rounder for him and Vrabel? Looks to me like an outrageous bargain for the Chiefs.I don’t see any way they get that much value from a 2nd-round draftee.
Aside from better players, KC needs guys who expect to win, who know how to win, and can change the mindset in that locker room. These guys — Vrabel especially — give them that.
by urbino on Feb 28, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like this deal for the Chiefs.
They get a starting QB who I think is better than half of the QB in the league right now. He’s big, with a big arm, smart, can read defenses, mobil and young. Throw in a veteran LB who can give you quality plays rushing the passer and this is a steal for a 2nd. Think about it, we got a 2nd for an aging (37) DE on the down side of his career, who missed all of training camp, straight up for a 2nd rd pick. I think Haley will do a great job of putting Cassel in the position to succeed.
I was sure the Pats were going to sucker some team in giving them 2 first rounders or some crazy deal like that for Cassel. So I pleasantly surprised they only pick up one pick in the 2nd rd, which must be high because the Chiefs suck.
by jvw on Feb 28, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How ironic...
in that the Chiefs injured Brady, giving Cassel a chance to shine; then they go and get Cassel.
by kcorona4 on Mar 1, 2009 12:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
good point
i didn’t even think of that
by Matty I on Mar 1, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Forget
that Pioli got Cassel, who was the Pats GM. I say good deal for the Chiefs and good deal for the Pats. Now the Pats will draft another late round QB and groom him to be trade bait yet again.
by gophish on Mar 1, 2009 12:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cassel in the Sand?
We play the Patriots twice,
And the Chiefs not.
Unless they visit US in the post season.
Not gonna happen.
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by Tunaflipper on Mar 1, 2009 1:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tyler Thigpen
I guess the general concensus is that Cassel is a product of the system in NE. If Thigpen were in Cassel’s shoes the past few years… do you think he’d be as good, better, worse than Cassel?
I somewhat feel sorry for Thigpen… he played decent in 1st year with a sorry team around him….
Cassel, Thigpen… I’m not sure I think Cassel is that much better.
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by Nuda29 on Mar 1, 2009 7:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cassel and Vrabel for a second
Hmm You think the Pats would ask more for them
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