Numbers Can't Lie: Keeping Carey
There's been some good discussion around the site the last few days regarding Vernon Carey's impending free agency. I'd like to flesh that out a bit more by looking at exactly what we have in Carey as compared to our options in free agency and the draft.
I think Carey has taken some unjustified flak from some writers I've seen on the web for not being as visually dominant as they believe he should be. They've watched the tape and they've concluded that Vernon simply doesn't do a good enough job blowing his man off the ball or generally acting like the mauler his frame and physical abilities would presuppose him to be. And those observations are certainly correct on more plays than I'd like, but his inability to visually wow us with his run blocking should not cloud the fact that he is an upper echelon right tackle in this league, and our lack of rushing success this season is much more a factor of the middle three linemen than the bookends.
What We Have in Vernon
Here's what the numbers say about Carey. I'm excluding his rookie season since Dave Wannstedt inexplicably chose to go with John St. Clair over Carey for much of that year.
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GS |
ALY |
Rank |
Sack |
Rate |
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2005 (RT) |
14 |
4.21 |
15 |
3 |
0.5% |
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2006 (RT) |
16 |
4.76 |
2 |
5.5 |
0.9% |
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2007 (LT) |
16 |
5.05 |
4 |
3 |
0.5% |
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2008 (RT) |
16 |
4.51 |
9 |
4.5 |
0.9% |
As far as perspective goes when it comes to sack rates (sacks allowed divided by total passes), in general, anything over 1% is not good. Both Carey's raw allowed sack totals and his sack rate show him to be a perfectly adequate pass protector. He isn't killing this team out on the end.
The run-blocking is what I'm more interested in, partly because that's where Carey has been most criticized, but also because this team needs to really improve its power running game.
So how does he stack up in that department? Well, the numbers show that he is a top-shelf run-blocking tackle, having always placed in the top half of the league in terms of Adjusted Line Yards and only once falling outside of the top ten. Suffice to say, he may not look dominant when he's grinding it out in the running game, but the production that the running game has found behind him has certainly been outstanding. And that's what's most important to me.
The other important thing to garner from those numbers? This team will be hard pressed to find another starting tackle with Carey's durability. He's played in every game over the past four seasons and started all but two of them. It's easy to take for granted the kind of security we have with Carey locked in as one of our starters.
Line cohesion is another aspect of offensive line play that I think goes overlooked far too often. There certainly is something to be said for keeping a similar group of guys together from year to year rather than constantly switching players year in and year out.
What We Have for Options
So if the front office ultimately decides against using the franchise tag on Vernon and can't agree to a long-term contract, what options are available?
The current roster boasts three backups who can play right tackle - Nate Garner, Brandon Frye, and Ikechuku Ndukwe. I don't know about you, but I'll pass on going into training camp with one of those guys as the starting RT.
Free agency presents the most options. I'm going to use Scout.com's free agent rankings in order to cut down the list to those players who are more or less of Carey's caliber or better. These rankings are just one organization's opinions, but for the simple purposes of this article, they do a fine job.
They have Carey listed as a three star free agent, so I'll be looking at any other player who is three stars or better. That leaves us with 9 players: Jordan Gross, Marvel Smith, Mark Tauscher, Jon Runyan, Tra Thomas, Stacy Andrews, Khalif Barnes, Willie Colon, and Tyson Clabo.
Right off the bat, I'm scratching Clabo and Colon off the list, as they are restricted free agents and would require the investment of both high draft picks and a hefty contract. Gone too are Runyan and Thomas for being 35 and 34 years old respectively. This team doesn't need a broken down player on his last legs to come in on a sizeable contract and be little more than a stopgap. We need to find long term solutions now, not a few years from now.
As for Tauscher, he's 31 years old and trying to come back from an ACL tear that happened very late in the season. Likewise, Marvel Smith is 30 years old and coming off a season in which he appeared in a mere five games due to serious back problems. Cross both of those guys off my list. Stacy Andrews is also trying to make his way back from a torn ACL suffered late in December. However, he's still only 27 years old and has a lot of potential.
So that ultimately leaves three viable options in free agency that could take over as the starting RT - Jordan Gross, Stacy Andrews, and Khalif Barnes.
Omar Kelly reported that Carey is looking for a deal worth more than $20 million. I'm just throwing numbers out there, but I think something in the range of 4 years/$22-25 million would be reasonable for Carey. That averages out to between $5.5-6 million a year. While Jordan Gross is the best tackle on the market and would be an upgrade over Carey, he made $7.5 million this past season. He's likely going to want at least that yearly rate from his new team. Is he that much better than Carey, that the team should shell out another ~$8 million over the next four years? I'm not convinced that it would be worth it.
Stacy Andrews has the obvious injury issue, but he is intriguing because he is certainly going to come at a sharply reduced price. If Miami decided to take a flyer on him, they would be wise to use one of their first day draft picks on a player who could step in at RT if Andrews' recovery stalled. A combo player like Duke Robinson would be a perfect match in that scenario, as he can play both guard and tackle, so if Andrews fully recovered, Robinson would still be able to push for a starting job on the interior.
As for Barnes, well, he doesn't excite me all that much. He'll probably be cheaper than Carey, but as they say, you get what you pay for. He's very inconsistent and the coaching staff in Jacksonville never seemed all that happy with him. Miami could do worse in free agency than getting Barnes, but they have the ability to avoid that scenario altogether simply by re-signing Vernon.
Finally, there's the draft. I'm not even going to get into specific players here (other than my Andrews/Robinson contingency plan) because using a first-day pick to supplant Carey makes little sense to me at this moment. With Carey, the RT position is set in stone. He's young, he's well above average, he starts every game, and he adds cohesion to the line. To get all that, Miami will need to make an investment of cash only (albeit a hefty chunk of it, but deserved). Choosing not to re-sign him simply creates a huge hole, to be added to several other huge holes on the roster requiring immediate attention. Miami can't fix its WR hole by re-signing a stud player. Likewise, Miami can't fix its need for a playmaking inside linebacker by re-signing Channing Crowder. These holes require the investment of draft picks.
This team already has very specific needs to address with its first three picks in the draft. Trying to replace Carey through the draft just creates one more, thus ensuring that one less need can be met with one of those first three picks.
Conclusion
While it is clear that there are better options available than Vernon Carey when it comes strictly to projected performance in the 2009 season, there are so many other factors weighing in that seem to push Carey forward as the best option available.
We need to keep in mind age, durability, fiscal demands, and draft pick investments as well. When all of that is taken into account, it's hard to see why Miami would choose to let Carey go.
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Great write up, I think the fact that he loves Miami and that he knows the system is reason enough for me, I think he'll do fine this year
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by Rytackle on Feb 19, 2009 12:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Great write up-
I was actually very surprised to see how well he did in run blocking this year because as you said, he did not appear to be dominant- but he we had by far the most success going right this past year.
The only thing I question- how did they count the stats for the unbalanced line in the WC- did Carey become RG and Long was RT? Was Carey RT and a rush behind Long was considered RE? It probably isn’t amazingly significant – and if Long got called RT on those plays Carey’s #s would actually go up as we were not that successful running behind RT in the wildcat. Nothing major really- but I would like to see how that was classified.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 19, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think that has something to do with it
When we ran with the unbalanced line to the right, those runs are counted in as running right – so Carey gets credit. So yes – those numbers are skewed a bit – an example of when numbers don’t tell the entire story (ironically, seeing as how this was a hot topic last week).
But great stuff, PhinPhan
by Matty I on Feb 19, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The runs are listed as right, but usually the scorers differentiate between a run over RT or around right end. It’s not clear how the scorers chose to tag these unbalanced Wildcat runs.
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by PhinPhan in MA on Feb 19, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right-
I looked at the WC numbers- most of the snaps were behind center, second most around right end, 3rd behind RT, and 4th behind RG, etc. I mean- it was only 85 WC rushing attempts so its not skewing the stats completely- I just wonder how they credited it because I know FO gets a lot of their stats from play by plays and not film.
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by GatorPhan on Feb 19, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
The NFL play-by-play data is all subject to the individual scorers hired by each team. What one might call a run up the middle might actually have been behind left tackle or vice versa, but in general they are pretty good (except for Jacksonville, who for some reason leave out the tackle distinctions entirely and call all runs behind tackle, runs to the end).
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by PhinPhan in MA on Feb 19, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SEE? The numbers LIED!
:)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have been on this bandwagon for weeks...
….posting literally the same info. It was a nice write-up.
Once again, I’ll say that if Carey’s rushing numbers were a 1 year anomaly for this past year, I would have agreed it could have been because of the Wldcat. However, exactly how many Wildcat plays did they run in 2007 when he played LT, or in 2006 when he played RT? Yet his numbers were even better the past 2 years where the Wildcat wasn’t even a factor. Stop saying his numbers this year are Wildcat inflated. if anything, they were deflated. You can’t prove the Wildcat inflated his numbers anymore than the rest of us can prove they didn’t, except for the fact that his numbers were actually BETTER prior to this year.
by dab415217 on Feb 19, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
I’m not exactly sure how the different scorers for each NFL team decided to call the runs from the Wildcat, but it’s possible they could have just lumped Carey and Long together as ‘RT’. If that’s the case, obviously Long deserves some of the credit for the RT ALY numbers in 2008, but Carey’s career numbers show that his dominant numbers are a trend, not a fluke.
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by PhinPhan in MA on Feb 19, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah-
like I said- runs behind RT in the WC were actually below Carey’s season average so I don’t think its inflating his #s – either they are right, or they should actually be better. (3.85 YCP, and only 1.40 ALY/C)
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by GatorPhan on Feb 19, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff!
Carey is the best option available at right tackle, all things considered. He’s been very productive, especially as a Wannstedt draft pick.
by kdock on Feb 19, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is this an either / or proposition?
This is what I have been wondering concerning Carey. Is it worth it to the Phins to sign Carey for $6mil a year or would the money be better spent on a guy for $2 or $3mil a year? How much production drop off will there be in this scenario? Also, does signing Carey for $6mil a year prevent the Phins from going after Jason Brown, C from the Ravens? According to a previous post by Matty, Brown would be making the same type of money. With Carey, Brown, Smiley, & Long, the OL would be very expensive.
If the Phins can only afford Carey or Brown, not both, then I say use the money on Brown. A mauling center who can control the center of the line is vital to an effective run game. You can always run away from a tackle. It is hard to run away from a center.
by ct1361 on Feb 19, 2009 1:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
completely agree
and also, while carey has had decent numbers over his career, he is likely even more average than his numbers. He had great numbers in 2007 for not allowing sacks, but that was primarily because the sacks were coming right up the middle of the line. It wasn’t that Carey was particularly good; just that the rest of the line was horrible. The line allowed 42 sacks! And if you are getting them up the middle, you are not testing the ends…. it just made carey look better than he is. IMO.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Feb 19, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO there would be significant drop-off
Just take a look at that free agent list and see who you think the team could get to agree to a contract paying them $2 or 3 million a year. You definitely couldn’t get any of the top 10 guys and maybe not even any of the top 15. After that you are getting into replacement level territory, rather than starter level players.
One exception, however, could possibly be Stacy Andrews, since he is coming off an ACL tear that happened late in December. He could come at that price range, but I’m not sure.
And the Dolphins definitely have the money to pay both Carey and Brown, but they’d have little else to spend after that, leaving them unable to improve the depth throughout the team.
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by PhinPhan in MA on Feb 19, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is significant?
Now it is time to ask what is significant? Does allowing 3-4 additional sacks a year worth saving $3 to $4mil? If you can upgrade another position, such as LB or DB, with that saved money, is it worth it?
I would love it if the Phins could get both Brown and Carey. But, what does that do to improving the other areas of the team? I think their are some big holes to fill at LB and DB that $6mil a year would go a long way to filling.
When I wrote the original post, I was thinking Carey / Brown. Maybe this is the either / or that should be discussed. $6mil to maintain a quality player at OT or $6mil to upgrade 2 or 3 other positions?
by ct1361 on Feb 19, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking more along the lines of run-blocking
Look at Carey’s career ALY numbers. He’s ranked 15th, 2nd, 4th, and 9th. That’s amazing consistency as one of the best run-blocking tackles in the league. You’re simply not going to get anywhere close to that for $3 million a year.
A player for that price tag would probably knock the ALY numbers down perhaps as much as one yard, and would further hamper this team’s ability to run the ball with any measure of consistency.
And spreading $6 million dollars across 2 or 3 positions is just going to net us more Charlie Anderson/Reggie Torbor type players. That’s not an “upgrade” I want to see to the starting lineup.
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by PhinPhan in MA on Feb 19, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ALY Numbers
I was not familiar with that stat until I read this post. Very interesting. So I did some digging. Here is a chart that shows the right tackles for the top 6 rushing teams in the league, the top five ALY performers, and Vernon Carey for 2008:
Team Right Tackle GS ALY ALY Rank Salary Team Rushing RankNYJ Damien Woody 16 4.95 1 $6,100,000 9
BUFF Langston Walker 16 4.82 2 $5,001,800 14
MIA Vernon Carey 16 4.51 9 $3,930,000 11
NYG Kareem McKenzie 16 4.11 20 $3,750,000 1
JAC Tony Pathos 16 4.80 3 $2,705,000 18
CAR Jeff Otah 12 4.64 6 $2,253,750 3
DAL Marc Colombo 16 4.72 5 $2,006,240 21
STL Alex Barron 15 4.74 4 $1,277160 25
NE Nick Kaczur 14 4.11 19 $1,265,640 6
MIN Ryan Cook 14 3.61 28 $757,505 5
BAL Adam Terry 7 4.01 24 $525,160 4
ATL Tyson Clabbo 16 4.25 16 $450,880 2
To me this says that Carey is priced right now about where he belongs. $3mil to $4mil a year. What do you think?
by ct1361 on Feb 19, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice research ct
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by HuskerDolphin on Feb 19, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Colombo had his contract extended in December by the Cowboys....
…for 4yrs and $22.5mil. There is your starting point for Carey. Plus, Carey is 3 years younger than Colombo, so a longer contract wouldn’t be out of line. Maybe something along the lines of 5yrs at $30mil, with around $15mil guaranteed.
by dab415217 on Feb 19, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I seen this comming
and I was afraid of this Gross getting a new deal now that leaves Carey out there as the best tackle on the market I can only hope we re-sign Vernon one less hole to fill in the draft.I would love to get Vernon back and sign Brown as well then we can focus among other area’s in the draft.I would hate if we lose Carey and not bother with Brown(if the rumors of upgrading at center are true)then we have two holes to fill and we are not even sure if Thomas is the real deal as well since he has only played 2 whole quarters this year.
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by Foy on Feb 19, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well... they re-signed him
Way to go Jeff and Bill!
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by PhinPhan in MA on Feb 20, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yep
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When it's me I can't forgive?"
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