Are Dolphins really interested in 'Housh'?
by Matty I on Feb 17, 2009 3:27 PM EST
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PrintOne of the pieces of news that went kind of unnoticed yesterday was the Bengals' decision to use their franchise tag on kicker Shayne Graham. What this means is that WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh is all but gone from Cincinnati already.
Adam Schefter, of NFL.com and the NFL Network, believes that Housh will land with one of 6 potential teams. Those teams he lists are the Eagles, Seahawks, 49ers, Titans, Ravens, and Dolphins. Yes - our Dolphins.
But you can count me as one of those who isn't particularly excited about that. To me, it doesn't make sense to bring in a player who is going to be 32 years old and is going to probably demand more money than he is worth.
And despite all the accolades Houshmandzadeh regularly receives, I'm just not a big fan of his. We don't know if he can thrive as a #1 receiver. Remember - he's always had Chad Johnson as the true go-to guy. And over the past 3 seasons (of which he has played in 45 games), Housh only has 8 100-yard games. And in that same span, T.J. is averaging just 10.6 yards per catch. Is that the kind of production you want out of a big-money free agent?
But the main reason I'm against the Dolphins targeting Houshmandzadeh is because it would go against everything the Dolphins are trying to do. Here is a quote from Jeff Ireland that he said during a radio interview earlier this week:
"When you trade the picks away you are probably trading it for a player who needs a new contract, or wants a new contract. And your giving up a draft pick, which would get you someone younger and cheaper."
Young and cheap. That's what the Dolphins are looking for. That's how they still intend on building this team. Houshmandzadeh is neither of the two.
So why bring on board a soon-to-be 32 year old at this stage of the building process?
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I think
I think if Pennington were our QB of the future, we’d be wise to go after Housh, otherwise we don’t need another possession type of receiver in the future. We have our possession receivers who are much younger and much cheaper. He’s an expensive, taller type of Welker, which we have in Bess and Camarillo already. Catches a lot of balls, not for substantial yards, but breaks one long occassionally. Not the best value for the Dolphins.
NO THANKS
As much as I think we need a playmaker at this position I am against this.Reason being the moolah.Why spend all the money when we can players like Scott,McFad,Atogwe,Brown and Dansby(who may cost just the same but well more worth it).We can draft a big guy like Britt and Knicks between rounds 2 and 3 cost way less and have them for years to come,just my opinion but we could spend the cash on bigger concerns like our secondary,defensive line and another linebacker.
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agreed, with him going to Philly
My Oregon State fandom want me to say yes, but he is 32 and wants a big contract so logic tells me no.
DAMN LOGIC!!
agree 100%
That was the first team I thought of as well – even before this report by Schefter. The other team I thought of were the Bears. Lord knows they need a receiver, too.
that would be a terrible decision on his part
he’s never going to get the ball…who the hell is there qb, anyway??
-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!
-No excuses, No explanations
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Feb 17, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Shaun Hill
is a winner.
He reminds me of Pennington, little less accuracy, better arm, same mechanics, good awareness.
Hill really does play to win. He could use a WR like Housh.
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yes
thats his name lol…i totally knew that lol
-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!
-No excuses, No explanations
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Feb 18, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Housh and Boldin
One or the other will either be with Philly or Baltimore ahh throw the Jags in there as well.
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Im tempted
to want us to go after housh but I would prefer to draft one….after all we do have ginn, camarillo, and bessso really all we need is legit #1 receiver and I just dont see housh being that guy.
btw I told my roommates that I would shit mypants if we brought over Braylon Edwards to play with Henne….two things: I know he has issues but at the time I was thinking of Michigan highlights and two I kinda hope it doesnt happen cuz now we have a bet in my house about me crapping my shorts if we ever got him. Yeah it would be bittersweet.
Housh. . .Maybe 4 years ago
I hope that we do not go after any WR that is over 30. We need long term productivity
He could very well end up like Peerless Price
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
Thanks, but.........NO THANKS !!!!
I Agree with Phatfinfan, too old and not a long term answer. Plus, what kind of $$ is he looking for?? We all know how the Wilford thing worked out………..SHITTY !!!!
What's next ??
by Ohiofinfan4life on Feb 17, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions
Draft a big wideout
Housh is good, but we’re trying to get younger. Everybody already said everything I wanted to say, so I’ll just leave it at that.
Nicks or Britt in round 2, Barden or Turner on Day 2. Either one of those 4 and I’m happy.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 17, 2009 10:04 PM EST reply actions
Yeah, but doesn't that up the ante to sign a coupla "1 year" vets to plug holes?
"Open the pod bay doors, HAL."
by Tunaflipper on Feb 17, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
That's an option
but I’d like to see us just plug the young guys in and go from there.. IMO, plugging a vet in now in place of a young guy only prolongs the process. I don’t want to cut loose all the vets we have, because they play valuable roles both on the field and in the locker room, but I don’t want to bring any more vets in at this point.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Feb 17, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and here's why
The Pennington Slump
I love me some Penny. Don’t get me wrong. I just worry about the year after a successful Pennington season. He has this strange way of getting hurt or doesn’t play good. He made Camarillo, Bess, London, and Ginn look good. Those 4 didn’t make Pennington look good (minus that freak Ted Ginn TD against Seatle!). We can all agree on that.
If Penny were to go down Henne would have to step up to Pennington’s plate. The receivers would have to make Henne look good. He’s still young. Let’s face it. Housh is a WR vet, something we don’t have. He produces, catches, makes solid play. He can make a QB look good.
Housh would be a good insurance policy if things go bad, if things don’t he’s just another weapon.
Thoguh if Boldin is available I say go for Boldin before Housh.
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Yeah but I wouldn't really bank on that-
injuries are really a random series of events – remember correlation doesn’t mean causation. If anything influenced it, it was probably the Jets sub par strength and conditioning program. Word is Penne is already bulking up in the gym to be bigger, faster, and stronger for next year.
"They say statistics are for losers, but losers are usually the ones thinking that. . . . Everything we do is analyzed. Is that the bottom line? No. You can't analyze the heart of Tim Tebow." - Urban Meyer
I´ll bet anything with anyone here that
Penny is going to have as much success this season as he had the last one. He is a clutch performer and everyone is forgetting to mention that he is going to have one year in the system and with his receivers under the belt. He is gonna rock your world, specially because of the tough schedule and a much improved running game, lets not forget that in most hard games this season the run was abandoned like finsx probably was when he was a kid (If you somehow were then I apologize) like for example the second game against NE or the first again BUF it was all about him working his receivers. Oh and remember, I still just can not understand just cant, how we showed up to the playoff game with such a freaking crapy gameplan, the coaches first tried to run and then abandoned it again and suddenly wanted chad to throw 50yarders against the worlds toughest secondary yeah good luck with that, but then please remember the drives when things were looking up for us and they finally let Chad work the defense and read the defense like he does and we were beating the hell out of them, screens, slants and curls and we were getting it on. What hurts the most is that the next week I was watching the Titans vs. Bal game and the titans we really working the short passes and the passes up the middle and my Uncle who doesnt follow the Fins was like “hey why did Miami didnt play them like that? wasnt that their strenght?” and I was like mmm yeah it was. So bottom line, I bet Chad is going to play up the competition like he did that second game against New England where our defense, not surprisingly, kept the Patriots to a grand total of 1 forth down in all the game. And nobody was saying anything about him then. And for the guys that say he cant take a team to a Super Bowl, just look at the actual Super Bowl where Kurt Warner absolutely destroyed the “best defense” of the league with nothing but short and smart passes. VIVA CHAD!
'Correlation doesn't mean causation'
Says the guy who looks at stats to postulate the future.
One bad tackle could spell the end of the season for anybody. I think we were lucky that Penny was healthy a full 16 games with his injury history. Will he, will we, be so lucky again?
I don’t think we should rush out to get Housh with this ‘what if’ hanging over our head. I do think he is a better WR than London, Wilford, Camarillo, Ginn, and Bess. He can make plays on his own more consistently than those fellers above. I love me some Camarillo and London. At best though they are depth WR not the future. Bess is a great slot, he has a big future. Ginn can still mold to be a solid 2.
Housh is the best WR in FA. Drafting WRs are ticky tack things, look at teams like the Jaguars or Vikings who look around for WR early in the draft only to keep coming up short. Housh is proven good.
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Yes- correlaton doesn't mean causation- 1st rule of statistics.
When you are going to use a correlation to help you predict the future- you have to logically link the two variables with a way one can actually affect the other. You can’t just say Pennington plays well and then somehow that mysteriously makes him more injury prone. If you can come up with some viable link between the two I’d be more than happy to consider it.
If you say- his injury history concerns me- I can take that as reasonable as you can link prior injury to an increased likelihood of re-injury for certain injuries. I just don’t believe being successful or crappy the year before has much of an affect on it.
"They say statistics are for losers, but losers are usually the ones thinking that. . . . Everything we do is analyzed. Is that the bottom line? No. You can't analyze the heart of Tim Tebow." - Urban Meyer
Be happy to consider this:
Let’s look at the facts
2003: fracture-dislocation on his non-throwing hand
2004: injured rotator cuff
2005: another tear in his rotator cuff
2006: CBPOTY
2007: Benched
2008: Glorious season of ’08
2009: ???
2010: profit (south park joke)
Pennington could be beyond his fragile days. Or, as we all grow older, he could be more susceptible to injuries than ever. That is what logic tells us.
‘You can’t just say Pennington plays well and then somehow that mysteriously makes him more injury prone.’ Who said it was just about injury? His playing career is a roller coaster of boom and bust:
2008 19 7 good
Record: 11-5
2007 10 9 bad
Record 1 – 9
2006 17 16 good
10 – 7
2005 2 3 bad
1 – 2
2004 16 9 good
9 – 6
2003 13 12 bad
4 -6
2002 22 6 good
9-8
Includes playoff wins and losses.
TD to INT ratio is reg season.
Logic assumes this pattern of good bad will continue.
Pennington himself admitted that he has struggled after good years. He knows it is a stigma that affects him (listen to him talk about winning the CBPOTY twice). If he can admit it why can’t you?
Now do you want to talk about the Madden Curse?
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I strongly disagree with you Matty
I remember making a reference to this a few months ago. I would absolutely love to have Housh on the Dolphins as long as it is under the proper conditions. First off, it would need to be a contract that does not go beyond 3 years. It would allow us time to draft a wr to eventually succeed him at the team’s luxury of addressing other more pressing needs. Continue to spend these next few seasons solidifying the defensive front seven and our offensive line. Once we have that settled, we could begin to truly take more chances on skill players. Second, the money has to be right, which I do understand will be difficult. However, if it is possible, why not? As long as Pennington is at the helm, the deep strike will not be as much of a threat. The deep pass is not Housh strength, but he is a tough reliable receiver that will gladly take the responsibility of making the big catch when needed. What Housh will do is be a number 1 that will be a dependent pass-catcher. He will also bring a veteran presence to a group of receivers that truly need a mentor to teach them the ins and outs of the position.
I think afterall you dont Disagree with Matty or the rest of us at all
What we are all basically saying is that:
1- he is to old = you say that you wouldnt give him a contract beyond 3 years = that means we both agree he is not joining gossip girl´s cast anytime soon ( too old)
2- to expensive= you say the money has to be right = we say he is to expensive and cant afford those luxuries right now = we both agree that he´d want big money
See lol we are on the same page, I agree with you on all your points and if it was for a 3y/18 mil contract I am all for it but its not gonna go down like that
So why bring on board a soon-to-be 32 year old at this stage of the building process?
because he would have a 33 yr old qb throwing to him.
"I have nothing to declare except my genuis."
-Oscar Wilde
that's different, though
we have our QB of the future on the roster and QBs can play longer at a higher level than receivers.
Then I think he (our future QB) should be playing now
The only reason Pennington is playing, and others (espcially on this site) want him to continue to playing is because they think we can win now (yawn). So if they think we can win now get him a vet WR and see what they can do. Otherwise lets get on with the youth movement.
"I have nothing to declare except my genuis."
-Oscar Wilde
but I think you can get better and prepare for the future while also trying to win now
and that’s what this team is doing so well – balancing these two ideas.
And my opinion would be different if it was a different WR who was going to be 32. I just don’t think Housh is that good. He’s a solid #2 guy who has struggled when asked to be the #1 guy.
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