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Henne leads comeback as Dolphins defeat Patriots to remain in playoff hunt

Just a little over fifteen minutes into Sunday's game and it seemed as though the Dolphins' slim playoff chances were fading away right before all of our eyes. But then something happened. On the brink of disaster, the Dolphins - led by their passing attack of all things - finally fired back, showing the kind of intensity that this team lacked last week in Buffalo. By halftime, it was just a four point game. The second half then saw the Dolphins go toe to toe with a perennial championship contender as the team rallied back from an 11 point third quarter deficit to knock off the Patriots in thrilling fashion - thrusting themselves right into the thick of things in the AFC playoff picture.

Henne has career day
Sure - it isn't saying much that a second year quarterback with just nine career starts had his best day as an NFL starter. After all - it has only been nine starts. So how's this for a better statement? Chad Henne has his first career-defining game in the NFL. I think that explains it better. After all, it's not every day that a quarterback goes punch for punch with Tom Brady in a quarterback duel - and actually wins. And it's even more rare that the quarterback out-gunning Brady is in his first year as a starter.

Coming into the game, I wrote that I really wanted to see the Dolphins attack New England's secondary. But I really didn't expect Tony Sparano and Dan Henning go with that kind of aggressive, attacking game plan on offense. So I was absolutely thrilled to see the Dolphins come out firing on Sunday. This was the first time that the coaching staff really took the training wheels off of Henne and he didn't disappoint.

Were there times when he made mistakes or missed on throws? Of course. That interception was both a bad decision and poorly placed throw. His accuracy is still inconsistent at times - which you can say about most rookie quarterbacks. That inaccuracy almost cost the Dolphins - when Henne missed an open Lousaka Polite on a 3rd & 6 play with 2:15 left. Henne explained after the game that Polite was the "hot" receiver. With the blitz coming, he anticipated Polite running to the flat. But Polite cut it up field - as he had open field in front of him. That explains why Henne double-clutched before throwing that pass over Polite's head.

With that said, it's no secret that Henne still has to work on avoiding tipped balls at the line of scrimmage and improving on those passes that require some "touch."

But still, Henne made up for these mistakes and missed opportunities, showing the kind of mental toughness a quarterback in this league needs. On the very next play - on a 4th & 6 with the season basically on the line - Henne rolled right and fired a bullet to Greg Camarillo for the first down, getting his team into field goal range. After the game, Tony Sparano praised Henne for his ability to overcome these kinds of things:

"He's a pretty resilient guy. He missed a couple of throws there. But Chad just keeps battling. He made some big throws, and the one to Camarillo down there at the end, that's a heck of a throw.''

A "heck of a throw" indeed.

All told, Henne threw for 335 yards while the running game ran for less than 100 - accomplishing one of the things I've been waiting to see from the young quarterback. He was finally asked to win a game with his arm from start to finish. He passed this test with flying colors, leading his third career fourth quarter comeback in just nine career starts.

After his busy day full of 52 pass attempts - the most pass attempts by a Dolphins' quarterback in a win since 1990 - Henne was asked how his arm felt. You got to love his response:

"If you want to, we can throw all day. I love it. Put it in my hands. Put the pressure situations upon me. I really thrive on that."

Star-divide

Defense steps up in fourth quarter
The day got off to a rough start for the Dolphins - allowing a 58 yard touchdown pass a little over three minutes into the game. On that play, we saw terrible coverage by rookie Vontae Davis and poor deep help from Gibril Wilson.

Then less than three minutes into the second half, on the Pats' first play of the half, we saw more ugly defense as fellow rookie corner Sean Smith had outstanding coverage on Sam Aiken but still couldn't even break up the pass along the right sideline. The 6'2 receiver made the catch over the 6'3 1/2" corner and then sprinted down the sideline - as Gibril Wilson basically stood and watched at mid field - for just his second career touchdown. I'm confident that Smith breaks up that pass 99 times out of 100. Unfortunately for the Dolphins, this was that one.

At 21-10 just minutes into the second half, it was beginning to look like more of the same from this defense in the second half. And the fourth quarter - also known as the quarter in  which this defense likes to collapse - was still 12 minutes away.

However, rather than fold like a cheap suit, this defense stepped up. Coming into the game, the Dolphins were allowing 118.4 yards per game and 40.7 yards per drive in the fourth quarter alone. On Sunday, of the 448 yards of offense that the Patriots gained on Sunday, only 60 of them came in the fourth quarter (15 yards per drive).

It all started with NE's first possession of the final quarter. The Pats only needed four plays to get inside Miami's 5 yard line. But then Tom Brady made a terrible decision and a poor throw - allowing Vontae Davis to redeem himself for his bad play on NE's first drive by having perfect coverage on Randy Moss and making the key interception. In my opinion, this play was the turning point of the game.

As far as New England's fourth quarter offense goes, that one drive was about it. The Dolphins forced two consecutive "three and outs" on their next two possessions. And those "three and outs" were huge - getting the ball back to the offense as the Dolphins trailed by two points.

Following the Dan Carpenter field goal, the Pats had one more shot. But again, the defense made a stand. Following an 11 yard completion and an incompletion, Cameron Wake used a quick first step to get around Nick Kaczur and get Brady in his arms. Brady then threw up an ill-advised desperation pass hoping to at least stop the clock. But Channing Crowder (of all people) was "Johnny on the spot" - making the interception on a pass thrown right to his gut. Hell of a time for Channing's first career interception - who then showed excellent football intelligence by going to the ground rather than trying to return the interception.

Some will tell you that the Dolphins caught some lucky breaks. That's true. One of them was a huge break - as Sain Aiken had gotten by Sean Smith by about five yards but was overthrown down the left sideline on what would have been a touchdown to put the Pats ahead by nine points. Yes - the Dolphins caught a break there. But we've seen a ton of breaks go against the Dolphins this year. For once, they caught one of their own. It's about time.

Great job by the defense in the fourth quarter. The unit still isn't where it needs to be. But that late game performance is definitely something to build on.

QUICK HITS
More quick hit thoughts on Sunday's game. Let's start with the positives and end with some "not so positives":

  • Final thought for right now about Henne. He just seems to have that "it" factor that no Dolphin quarterback has had since you know who. That's what is most exciting about him, in my opinion. He has "it."
  • Bill Belichick will be questioned again for going for it on a fourth down. This time it was inside the 10 yard line late in the second half. Three points there would have been huge for the Patriots. But Belichick went for it on 4th & 1 and Paul Soliai, Joey Porter, and others came up huge in stopping Sammy Morris. The Dolphins would then march down the field and get a FG of their own - resulting in what was essentially a critical six point swing.
  • Dan Carpenter is money. There's nothing more to say. Is his leg the strongest? No. But a reliable kicker from inside 50 is even more important than a big leg. And DC$ is just that - reliable. Think Tony Sparano trusts Carpenter? On 3rd & 5 from the 23, the Dolphins ran the ball and gained nothing before DC$ drilled home the 41 yard FG to put the Dolphins ahead. If he has any doubts, the Fins pass the football there. That says a lot about the second year kicker.
  • The Dolphins may not have any number one receivers. But they have a plethora of reliable number two receivers. Davone Bess is essentially a poor man's Wes Welker, making clutch catch after clutch catch. Brian Hartline is on his way towards becoming a very good complimentary receiver. Greg Camarillo - or "Old Reliable" - always tends to make a clutch catch. None were bigger than his 4th & 6 completion along the right sideline to keep that game-winning drive alive. And even Ted Ginn got in on the act - making two critical receptions. His first catch was on that final drive of the first half, converting a 3rd & 2 into a 19 yard gain along the left sideline. His other reception was a 15 yard gain on a 3rd & 10 in the 4th quarter. At least that's progress, folks.
  • Anthony Fasano has looked like the TE we knew and loved last season. He has back to back 5 reception, 65+ yard performances.
  • The offensive line was excellent in pass protection. For the most part, Henne had all the time he needed in the pocket.
  • Ricky Williams. There - I just wanted to get his name involved here. He had a "workman-like" 75 yards, averaging 4.2 yards per carry. When that's a "ho-hum" kind of game, you know you have a good back.
  • Want more reasons to like Hartline? The kid has become a special teams monster. You can't help but appreciate tough kids like that.
  • While I'm not saying Yeremiah Bell has been very good this year, Gibril Wilson has, by far, been the worst safety. He just can't cut it as a free safety. A true coverage free safety would make this defense instantly better.
  • Not enough pressure at all on Tom Brady. Can I see more Cameron Wake, please?
  • Better play-calling out of Dan Henning today. But one major gripe still remains: ENOUGH WITH PAT WHITE! Listen - I'm not a "Pat White hater." I actually wanted the Dolphins to draft him. But I just don't think he's ready...yet. Now he's just an instant drive killer. So let's give it a rest.
  • I really didn't like the decision to go for two with three minutes left in the third quarter. It's too early to start chasing points at that point. If the Patriots score a touchdown on their first possession of the fourth quarter, the Dolphins would have been down by two scores instead of just one. Luckily, though, this decision didn't come back to bite the Dolphins on the ass.

FINAL THOUGHT
What more can you ask for? The Dolphins are 6-6, one game out of the playoffs, and have a meaningful month of football ahead. And for us fans, we not only have meaningful December football to look forward to - we also get to enjoy the maturation process of a young quarterback week in and week out.

Enjoy the ride, everyone. And for those of you who were crying about how the season was over after last week's ugly loss in Buffalo - welcome back aboard the bandwagon.

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Chad Henne

is the f’ing man. Forgive my Portuguese, my French, my Italian, whatever. He is an absolute beast.

I felt so good about his prospects coming into this season, and was actually silently hoping the Dolphins would start to lose or that CP10 (not that I have anything against him nor did I actually WANT him to get hurt, but I digress) would be forced out of the starting role. I wanted him to gain experience, and for us to see what we had.

We have it, baby.

Once he is able to develop a bit more consistency and continue working on throwing the ball away at the right time and not staring down receivers (the latter two he’s improved upon, I think), he will be mentioned with the Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers and Eli Mannings of the game. And maybe Jay Cutler circa Denver, without the immaturity.

Thank you, Bill Parcells. And thank you, David Lee.

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by Dave.Phuller on Dec 7, 2009 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

Couldn't have said it better...

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by FinsFromBrazil on Dec 7, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't want him compared to Eli tough... Just Rodgers and Rivers please.

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by FinsFromBrazil on Dec 7, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

cant wait till he develop's a bit more...

i may be jumping the gun a little here but could we finally have the heir-apparent to dan the man? he’s starting to look the part…

by panthro on Dec 7, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Chad's swagger

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by Patssuck456 on Dec 7, 2009 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

Also even though Randy Starks didnt get a sack he did knock the hell out of Brady a few times

and Marsha gets taken out of his element when she gets hit

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by Patssuck456 on Dec 7, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions  

Favorite moment of the game

V Davis Goes to Brady and holds up to fingers. I’m sure many people didn’t see is because it happened a sec before a commercial. But that was a highlight second because he got into Brady’s head.
Also Smith covering welker??? I didnt get that. I knew it was and adjustment because Jones wasn’t doing much better. If i remember correctly Allen got in on that action and did a nice job.
Earthquake!!!
Finally, a shout out to soliai. I knew he hurt his ankle in the first meeting in th first quarter. Nice to see him jump in and effectively take on some double teams.

by 54 on Dec 7, 2009 1:32 AM EST reply actions  

you mean the play where allen completely let Welker run straight up the middle wide open?

Luckily for us Brady missed another throw or else another big gainer.

Seriously it is VERY frustrating how we play Welker twice a year and we cant seem to figure out how to stop him or slow him down even. He should have a double team on him every play. Or take Vontae and tell him to fuck him up on the line. Its ridiculous how bad he hurts us. He does more damage than Moss. He isnt getting the big plays (usually) but he keeps drives going with his 1st downs

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 7, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Welker can and will beat everybody and the best thing to do is to just try and limit him. Allen did the best job overall on him today. There’s no way he can be double team him all the time. Because there is Moss, only the best big play receiver in the NFL. It’s a pick your poison deal. Davis is our best corner and thats why he gets to line up with Moss.

by 54 on Dec 7, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

WElker palyed well because we doubled Moss

But take away Welker and Brady craps himself

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by Patssuck456 on Dec 7, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

don´t us LB´s against Welker

i think the DB´s did (mostly) a nice job against him… but there are 2 many plays, when he was covered by a LB and that´s not working…. and Welker is the greatest Slot WR.. no D could stop him really doing this catches… he has an average of 9+ catches every game he played…

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by MikeDolphin on Dec 7, 2009 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

I discovered a way to cover WELKER!!!

How to cover WELKER:

1. Build time machine
2. Assassinate prior regime before Welker is traded to a Division rival for 2 picks that are no longer on our team.
3. Ensure Current Regime / Trifecta is hired and brought in.
4. Ensure Welker is signed to long term career long contract.

SOLVED: Welker is now covered because he is on our offense.

by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Dec 7, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

.... put....... the bong........ down...

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

since it looks like no one has a time machine laying around....

Looks like we all have to resort to popping a Tums everytime he knocked off a +50 yard play for the patriots….usually against us.

by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Dec 8, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by Alpha6 on Dec 8, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No Welker is just a beast.

That’s coming from a Jets fan. Revis had moss 1 on 1 and we doubled welker still got 200 yds on us. he is just the best slot reciever in the nfl

by Jerrad p on Dec 7, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe we let Welker go

Remember when our kicker got injured and Welker kicked an extra point, field goal, kick returned, and caught passes. The guy is a tiny beast.

by gophish on Dec 7, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We did not let him go. Due to the poison pill that NE put in the contract offer

we would not have been able to resign him so we traded him.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Still should have never happened....

Dolphins should have locked Welker up for years and years with a generous contract. Patriots locked him up for 6 years, I think they knew something….

by Phin-Phan-Phorever on Dec 8, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

yea

it’s called Nick Saban told Belichick (his good buddy) that Welker was REALLY good

by Matty I on Dec 8, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

... that beady-eyed-rat-poker!!!

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by Alpha6 on Dec 8, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope Saban catches VD

Not to be mistaken with Vonte Davis….I am talking the old school VD

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

well they could have matched the offer

but IIRC the jeaniouses that were here, decided that welker was too small to endure the pounding he would take… and as a result wasn’t worth the contract that he needed….

and not to bring up old news…. but this was right before they drafted T Ginn and L Booker…. both of whom are physicall beasts…

;@()

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 8, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions  

They are!!

Don’t you see Teddy Bear’s guns when he is running with the ball??

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

welker was one of the only bright spots.

the guy was a total longshot, and made his success through grit and determination. I love a longshot. Too bad i have to hate him now that he is a Pat.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't hate him....

The guys plays the way that I approached playing all my sports, quietly outworking everyone else and not saying much. I LOVE GUYS THAT PLAY LIKE WELKER, REGARDLESS of who they play for…….JEST excluded.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

They never used the poison pill (they thought about it but didn't)

It was just a straight trade for draft picks. Miami didn’t see value in Welker.

If you need to see links as proof, I can find them easy enough.

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by SlotMachinePlayer on Dec 8, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

the point is that they WOULD have if we didn't take the trade

they would have owed us a 2nd round pick. Instead they offered us a 2nd and a 7th to make the trade.

If we did not trade him, all they had to do was make him a contract offer we could not match, like a HUGE bonus for each game played in Miami over 2 for the regular season.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 8, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

nah it wasn't a huge bonus

it just guarenteed the full contract if he played more then 2 games in one year in miami…

btw: that contract (iirc ~3.5 mill a year) looks like a huge bargin right now eh?

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 8, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i think it was more than that, but you might be right.

i think the point of the poison pill is that you can put ANY goofy clause in there that makes the contract essentially unmatchable.

they could have gone down the road of offering to pay him a 10M incentive bonus if he played more than two regular season games in Miami, which never had to be put in the contract since Miami agreed to the trade. But you better bet that it would have been something like that if Miami tried to match.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

we'll per the reports at the time

the poison pill just guarenteed the full value of the contract (something like 22 mil over 5 or6 years)

all of which was reasonable…. and a figure they likely could have signed him to had they made any effort, but then that would have required some knowlege of the team and some sort of skill in evaluating players…. neither of which camueller showed any indication of having during their short tenures.

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes I saw him do that as well !!!

Was laughing my ass off . Screw Brady…

by 13DolFan23 on Dec 7, 2009 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I was yelling at the tv when he came into the game

Not good to piss of the fans Tony

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by Souwantmyname on Dec 7, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

yes i agree

lets put it on the shelf till Ronnie comes back(?) or Pat White learns how to throw the ball reliably.

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by Phintastic on Dec 7, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Finally !!!!!

Henning opens up the offense and lets Henne show what he can do !! it’s amazing what he can do when he gets into a rythem . Something he wasn’t able to do with them doing the wildcat so much.. This is what i want to see from here on out. !! And please can we not see Pat White come in and kill a drive anymore !!! GO PHINS !!!

by 13DolFan23 on Dec 7, 2009 1:50 AM EST reply actions  

Lemme sum it up

We played… TO WIN THE GAME!!!

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by Farorefox on Dec 7, 2009 1:58 AM EST reply actions  

Porter kept his yap shut.

Anyone notice how Porter didn’t say a peep all week,then let his actions speak.That 4th down stuff was huge.Lesson learned I hope.

by Pegphinsfan on Dec 7, 2009 2:28 AM EST reply actions  

more like fortunate
I’m confident that Smith breaks up that pass 99 times out of 100. Unfortunately for the Dolphins, this was that one.

would rather this be the 1 of 100 then it be for a TD in the future that costs us a win

by FishNFinz on Dec 7, 2009 2:33 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah!!!

You know X… I almost created a post yesterday on that subject…

Remember those 1,000 comment posts, with the discussion that Henne was an instant “Playoff Killer” for us?

I miss those… Why don’t you start one, so that we can have fun again?

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by FinsFromBrazil on Dec 7, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

fortunately for me

i wasn’t around to read that stuff. i don’t know how anyone, who actually watches the games, could possibly say something that dumb.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

It was before the season started Lefty

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Dec 7, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

.... who's Brady Quinn..?

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

no idea but

his family is all pro

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

hey, i was on a henne bandwagon from the end of last season.

i could understand the idea that he learn behind CP10 for a year, but i did not see the logic behind setting our franchise QB search back another season by not starting him this year.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Worked well for Aaron Rodgers

And I don’t think that any time spent learning from CP10 is bad. CP10 is a true professional that can teach a young QB so much on and off of the field. Besides, how do you bench a QB that won you 11 games the previous year.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

see? the problem with this kind of logic is that you don't know if Rodgers might have been as good this year

if he had started playing in his first or second season.

You are left assuming that sitting behind Favre made him better, but who knows?

My point is only that if we are rebuilding from the ground up, then the shortest direction between two points in a straight line in the opposite direction (wait… that doesn’t sound right).

Anyway, draft a rookie, let him sit behind a vet while you build your O-line and running game. Just so he doesn’t get killed. But then put him in the game and let him figure it out. Henne has the mental makeup to succeed, so the question was purely one of talent and ability. Ideally, we would have a better receiving corps, but that is not as critical as keeping his jersey clean.

IMO, the guys that fail, do so most often because of their mental makeup, not their talent. Fiedler was not the most talented, but he he a one tracked mind when it came to doing his job. I would not call him a failure – he just did not have the physical talent to take it to the next level.

Harrington, on the other hand, actually had talent, but he did not seem to have that singleness of focus, determination, and thick skin that is needed to be successful.

CP10 has the mindset for sure. But i just don’t think he has the physical ability to take it to the next level; more like Fiedler. how do you bench a guy like that? you just do because the team can’t advance to the next level with him at QB. That is the problem Wannstache always had – he was loyal to Fiedler (and i understand why) to the detriment of the team. That is not the right way for a coach to make decisions.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You also don't know that he might have gone in the shitter too!

He could have had a few bad games, destroyed his confidence and then been a draft bust. We can play the what ifs all day long. Numbers show that VERY FEW QBs succeed in their early years. Last year has caused a lot of unfair and unrealistic expectations to be placed on young QBs. Flacco and Ryan were successful, but how far back do you have to go (excluding Roethlisfag or whatever his name is, excluded because he had it easy with a number 1 or 2 defense and strong running game) to find 1st or 2nd year QBs that excelled? I bet if someone ran the numbers you would find a higher probability for success with QBs that sat for 2 years than those that played. Look at Alex Smith this year…doing much better after sitting for most of last year. Of course there are always circumstances that impact the outcome…changing OCs, or Head Coaches, new WRs or RBs, an improvement or drop in the ability of the defense, switching schemes….etc.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

those are old numbers of an old school.

it is MUCH more common today to see guys coming out of college and starting. I think the general believe has somewhat shifted to “99% of the time, a QB will play to his potential, and develop at his own rate, whether he sits or starts – HOWEVER, he needs to play to develop, so the process is retarded by keeping him on the bench.”

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think so brother

With the exception on Stafford and Sanchez this year (how’s that working out for him??) and Flacco and Ryan, where are the rookie starters? I don’t think that prior to last year is considered “old school”. The NFL game is so much faster and more complicated, most QBs need at least a year to learn the system alone, then another year to learn the speed of the game. Don’t forget, it wasn’t uncommon for rookies to start 5 years ago, you just never saw them succeed.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 10, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Well I was a doubter.....

But I never said he was a playoff killer. I actually remember saying something that we should stay with Pennington until we are officially out, then put Henne in and see what he has to offer. Fortunately for us, the football gods had different plans and, unfortunately for CP10, the decision was made for us.

Henne has been pleasantly surprising for the most part, minus the occassional bonehead throw (that you expect from a 2nd year QB starting in less than 10 games) and it seems that the upside to Henne is legit. I have always said it takes far more than a strong arm to succeed in the NFL and didn’t feel that Fins fans should just assume Henne was going to be successful because he has a cannon. I mean honestly, what is the success rate of the “strong arm” QB? How did Ryan Leaf turn out? JaMarcus Russell anyone? I honestly felt that CP10’s head for the game gave us a better chance to win than Henne’s “potential”. Everyone kept saying “we need to throw deep”….and I still ask, how much impact has the deep ball had on the game? Henne’s ability to throw to the sideline has been far more beneficial than his ability (or lack there of connecting) to throw deep. Now that being said, I think that I can speak for most Fins fans when I say I am happy with what I have seen and I looking forward to seeing Henne learn some consistency and accuracy on the long ball.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

my whole point was not that I believe Henne was the guy

but that I did not want to waste anymore time figuring it out. We knew CP was not the long term answer and so we needed to find out as much as we could about Henne in order to decide whether we still needed to address the position this offseason.

I am so tired of this team being “almost” complete. Under the Marino era, we had decent defense, awesome passing game, no run game (deficiencies in the O-line as well as at RB). Under the JJ era, we built a top 10 (sometimes 5) defense, still had a decent QB, and no ground game. Then under Wannstache, again with the awesome D, had an awesome ground game, and no QB. and on and on and on, until now.
Now we have rebuilt the line, and they are built to run the ball. They pass protect well, and are young and developing. We currently have a very good ground game (counting Ronnie in this statement, since I am talking about as of this season), and a young but very talented Defense (with a few holes). IMO, we need to find that long term answer at QB within the next year or two max, or we run the risk of wasting the opportunity to get all three parts of the team in sync for a SB run of a few years.

Arrgghh.. sorry, this is really a sore spot with me, having the team be “almost” good enough, but not complete.

Arrgghh.. sorry, this is really a sore spot with me, having the team be “almost” good enough, but not complete.THAT’s why I wanted Henne to play. So we could figure out whether we should be looking at this next QB class for the future. I am still not convinced that he is the guy, but I am convinced right now that we would not be taking a huge risk by passing on a high round QB next draft, and letting Henne have another full offseason and regular season as the starter.

Arrgghh.. sorry, this is really a sore spot with me, having the team be “almost” good enough, but not complete.THAT’s why I wanted Henne to play. So we could figure out whether we should be looking at this next QB class for the future. I am still not convinced that he is the guy, but I am convinced right now that we would not be taking a huge risk by passing on a high round QB next draft, and letting Henne have another full offseason and regular season as the starter.I think it would be an incredibly irresponsible move by the Triad to give CP10 any opportunity to compete for a starting position next year. They need to tell him that if he comes back, he comes back as a mentor and a backup. Otherwise, in all fairness let him go try to get a starting job somewhere else.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

And I can relate...as a lifelong Fins fan

But I am hesitant to rush a young QB into the mix, especially with a bad defense (and lets be honest, we are at the bottom of the league in points allowed and yards…not last, but in at least the bottom third of both) and with a realistically crappy WR corps. I have seen too many QBs go to a situation like that and get destroyed. I didn’t want to take that chance with us having a proven QB that could help further develop Henne while allowing a bit more talent to be accumulated in the defense and WR position.

Right now it looks like things are developing well…..Henne is playing well and we are winning, but what if things wouldn’t have turned out this way. We will never know, but I generally play the odds and one more year to develop generally doesn’t ever hurt a young QB….it usually helps….especially if they are learning behind someone like CP10 instead of Jeff George or another selfish QB.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i honestly don't care about the "winning" this season.

i like it a bunch when we win, but for the long term growth of the team, winning this year is not really relevant. But I would expect that with a few key pieces, we could be a serious playoff contender next season.

So, while I agree that another year on the bench would not hurt Henne, I am also quite sure he would still have come out in year three and played like a rookie until he had 6 or 7 games under his belt. He is playing well now, but he is still playing like a rookie and will have to learn from his mistakes. AND, if he had come out in year 3 and been a complete flop, we would be into year 4 with a newly drafted rookie QB, and then do you sit him for 2 more seasons as well?

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It is working out well, but I guarantee that if he was performing like Mark Sanchez

Or Jamarcus Russell, people would be saying he needs more time to develop. Look at Vince Young this year. He got to learn from a smart QB, and it is paying off. It’s all hind sight now, and seems that it is paying off. All I am saying is that given the choice between a smart, talented, veteran QB that won 11 games last year and a 2nd year QB with no playing time, I would prefer to take my chances with the veteran UNTIL there was no chance for the playoffs this year. And like I said, luckily as fate would have it, the decision was made for us and it is working out favorably.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 10, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

just sitting back and enjoying

the progress….

as i kept saying it wasnt a question of if cp was better then, but who would give the team a better chance to win after henne had 5 starts….

the future looks good my friend.

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Got love Heartline

He just makes plays, blocker? yep, as a gunner? yep, get open? yep.

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by Patssuck456 on Dec 7, 2009 2:38 AM EST reply actions  

... in the parking lot checking handi-cap badges....

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

i saw him putting drinks in those little cardboard carriers at the concession stand

i guess that what his agent meant when he held out for “other concessions”

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 8, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!!!!

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by Alpha6 on Dec 8, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

heuijdok

I think this was my fav game this year, cause after last weeks lost I had my doubts about this game especially when its against one of the elite teams and it started off horrible. And I love Chad Henne, I loved him at michigan and when we selescted him I was super pumped. I was sad to see Henne’s rb at michigan Mike Hart not make an impact in the NFL cause he went 2 highschool like an hour away from me, so would have been like hometown hero type thing. Just like Will Smith from the saints, he went to high school 15 mins from me. Anyways back to subject, lol. I hope and think we still make the playoffs BUT I just want to say I’m really excited for next year. Just think How much Henne is improving now, imagine having a whole summer to get his timing with recievers down and his accuracy. And Hopefully we get a few key additions at wr via free agent and draft. And I Love Henne to Hartline for years to come. Damn, Can’t wait till next year, but this year I think we will be the underdog last minute playoff team that can hopefully make it deep in the playoffs.

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by HawkFire89 on Dec 7, 2009 4:29 AM EST reply actions  

Haha...it was great to be the underdogs yesterday..

Henne will be looking for hartline alot…trust me.

And don’t you thing we should put Thigpen in the WildPat (WildPen)

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by Kdog92 on Dec 7, 2009 5:48 AM EST reply actions  

Ted Ginn - another plus

One thing about Ted Junior that I don’t think I’ve seen mentioned is that he always blocks, and usually blocks well. On the receiver screens, I always seem to see his man tied up. He’s not strong enough to blow the guy backwards, but he takes him out of the play.

by Joel West on Dec 7, 2009 8:24 AM EST reply actions  

Actually not really

Ginn and Bess are rated as in the bottom 15 of all NFL WRs in blocking ability. Our best blocking WR is actually Camarillo.

On the opposite end, Mushin Muhammed is ranked number 1, with everyone’s favorite Hines Ward is ranked number 2.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Impressive

I didn’t get to see the game today – that’s the product of living in TN when the Titans play the Colts, but I tried to keep up with the game. I am very impressed with this team’s resiliency! If you think about it we lost a starting QB, RB, 2 O-linemen, DT, CB, on and on and on… But we are continuing to fight and play tough football – which I think is attributed to this coaching staff. Injuries are no excuse ( every team has them), but we had had so many key injuries this year that, honestly, I was expecting a sharp dropoff in wins. Tony Sparano and his staff have done a great job in getting these guys ready to play though!

And, Henne has stepped up big time! I can’t wait to see him in the next few years and when we actually get a #1 receiver!!

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by JStarr23 on Dec 7, 2009 8:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Could you imagine

if we had a receiving corp like Fitz, Boldin, Camarillo, Bess and Hartline?

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by Phintastic on Dec 7, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Helluva win Phins !!

Congrats !! I’ll be rooting for you guys like I have all year – except of course your game against us. Keep it up.

by WhoDat_OH on Dec 7, 2009 8:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Thanks for welcoming us back. I didn’t realize there was anyone left in the bandwagon after last week… except old reliable “hope,” that is.

by icerob on Dec 7, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions  

I just hope

that the Buffalo game doesn’t come back to bite you as a “What if?” game. Either way you’re a very scary team right now.

by WhoDat_OH on Dec 7, 2009 10:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Thank you

and I hope the remainder of our opponents feel the same way.

I have such a bad feeling that that Buffalo game will truly bite us in the ass, and that we’ll fall short by that one game that we easily should have had.

Among the Colts/Saints games.. Not easily, but should/could have had.

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by Dave.Phuller on Dec 7, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

The Team no one wants to see in the Playoffs

I doubt there are few teams that want to line up agains’t these Phins come Playoff time. Despite the plethora of season ending injuries they can scrap for the win each week.

Don’t forget, this team SHOULD be 9-3 right now were it not for their own self-destructing errors. Wins over the Colts, Saints (what really burns me about both of these 2 losses is that they both might go to the superbowl undefeated, then our “72 Perfect Season” would have to be shared when our Phins should’ve prevented it…God I hope not though..) & those sorry a$$ Bills..

Go Phins.. 10-6 & win divison on tie-breaker (again leaving the Patsies out in the cold..lol!)

by Pianomanzz on Dec 7, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions  

we have to get to the playoffs

to defeat the Colts in the Championship game then beat Orleans in the SB. Only fitting that we keep the ’72 record alive.

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by Phintastic on Dec 7, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

It can be done!!

It WILL be done ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Dec 7, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Can CH07 Fhwaulking Run ????

Does Chad ever SCRAMBLE for a First Down ? Or, is it not in his job description ?

Lets Kick Butt Dolphins!!

by BurlyDude72 on Dec 7, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

I was wondering that myself. I have seen more than one occasion where it would have

been easier for him to just run for 2/3 yards and get the first instead of trying to squeeze the ball in too a reciever that was covered.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Going For 2 Attn: Matty

Going to disagree with you and Phil Simms on this one. You absolutely go for two to tie the game. Name any other time in any sport where, when given the opportunity to tie the game you opt for “Nah, we won’t try to tie it, we’ll go down by 1 and hope we score again later.” Way too many unpredictable things can happen in NFL games, momentum is a fickle mistress, to be conservative and assume you’ll outscore your opponent who has to this point in the game outscored you and not try to tie it. Anyway, just my two cents. Great game! Go Fins!

by Scallywag McGee on Dec 7, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

Hartline is Special !!

Hey Phins Phans !!

It will still take me some time to figure out our Draft Errors from 2009, but picking Hartline was one of the RIGHT ONES !! At first I had my doubts, but after watching him rally the troops yesterday; in so many ways in the 2nd half, he is definitely a keeper !!

He made some outstanding catches, but most of all he is KICKING SOME SERIOUS ASSSSS OUT THERE ON SPECIAL TEAMS !! I saw him jacking up his teammates as well !! Can’t get enough of this guy – let’s see some more – maybe even let him return punts and/or kick offs !!

Major Error #1 = Passing on Louis Murphy and picking Patrick Turner !!

Lets Kick Butt Dolphins!!

by BurlyDude72 on Dec 7, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Hey

Noticed that Matt Roth fell off as your picture, lol. Just had to point that one out. Haha.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Wake

Does this guy have an incentive clause in his contract, that if he doesnt play a certain # of plays he doesnt earn additional money? There has to be some reason he’s not getting more playing time besides pissing off the older Vets.

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by Phintastic on Dec 7, 2009 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

I am sure that thats not the reason that the coaching staff is not using him more.

I think you may start seeing more and more of him from here on out.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

it says a lot about him

that the coaches put him inn on the final pats drive, i think he coaches really trust him to RUSH THE QB but not YET to pass cover

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by miafins23 on Dec 7, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

He is still a situational player

can really only be used in obvious passing situations. Is a liability in the run game, so that is why you dont see him more. Guy is a beast at getting to the QB, no doubt. He has one of the best swim moves for a LB in the league..reminds me of Derrick Thomas’ (RIP) moves.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Throw some numbers out there for everyone.....pretty impressive

Rushing the QB by the numbers…not including the game against the Pats as I have done the play by play analysis yet….through 11 games this year.

Porter………485 snaps, 7 sacks, 4 qb hits, 10 qb pressures
Starks……..488 snaps, 6 sacks, 6 qb hits, 10 qb pressures
Taylor………592 snaps, 7 sacks, 4 qb hits, 13 qb pressures
Wake……….109 snaps, 6 sacks, 4 qb hits, 15 qb pressures

Oh by the way, Wakes numbers are the best as far as a ratio goes for all defensive player in the NFL with more than 30 snaps played this year….IN ALL THREE CATAGORIES

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Henne

I am impressed with the kid’s cojones… but he’s gotta a ways to go with improving his consistency and touch. He’s money one play, and utterly off the mark the next. Ok enough complaining though… BIG WIN. Proud of all our boys.

by NumberSeven on Dec 7, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

i disagree

i think he was far more consistent with his accuracy than you give him credit for in this statement. And from watching him play this year so far, I’d say he is still improving game over game.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Deep ball.....NO, not accurate at all

He is extremely inaccurate when he throws the ball 20+ from the line of scrimage. It would take some time to put together all my numbers…but he isn’t good. He is more accurate on the intermediate passes than I expected and pretty good on the shorter passes when he doesn’t try to throw the ball through the WR.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think that is accuracy

i think it is timing with his WRs. He needs a guy that can adjust and run under the ball on this deep plays. that is just my opinion from what I have seen so far, but I could be wrong.

He definitely need to work on his touch passes, but i think this is just a rookie thing.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Brother, he was missing badly on the deep throws last week

I will pull up all the number tomorrow and let you know what his numbers for long passes are, he isn’t missing small, he is missing big which tells me it’s more than a timing issue. I am sure that timing has something to do with it, but he is missing by overthrowing LONG almost every single throw….and not by 2 yards…I am talking 5 yards or more!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we are missing each other on this

i am not saying he didn’t miss any throws. I am saying that the deep throws are harder to judge as to what is not working. Is it the WR not getting off the bump fast enough? Is it the Henne misjudging the guy’s speed? If he winding up to throw it and seeing that the safety is not where he is expecting to see him and basically throwing it to a spot that he hopes the WR can get to, but knows the Safety will never reach it?

I dunno. I just know that a faster WR makes the adjustments on those throws and makes the QB look good.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Getting jammed doesn't hurt on the deep throws

You aren’t throwing to a spot…..you are throwing to a moving target, which equates to missing badly when you look at his throws. I would buy the speed issue or the getting off a bump if he was missing by a little bit, but he isn’t, he is missing BIG on the deep throws. To me those are bad throws that he needs to work on….especially in the touch department. If he was to add a bit of touch then he could realistically do what you were talking about in throwing it to a spot and letting the WR (who is looking for the ball, while the DB generally doesn’t until the last minute) adjust and make a play for the ball. He is just flat out throwing the deep balls on a rope and right now his accuracy doesn’t allow for him to succeed. I am sure that over time he will get better, but right now the long ball is definitely his achilles heel.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 10, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

So question is> what do we do next year. If we go out and get that number one WR. What do we do with the rest that we have. Ginn, Camirillo, Beast, Hartline and possibly Turner.

I know Bess isn’t going anywhere and now possibly Hartline. So do we keep ole sure hands Camirillo and spread this offense out for our ne young gun or do we trade a couple of these guys away for some picks. Ginn is starting to come around now that Hartline seems to be playing more. You think he’ll be a better #2 if we get that true #1 WR or do the rest of the guys leave him in the dust. What do you all think?

by D0lphins4Life on Dec 7, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions  

I think we go get a number one guy and if Turner can not get on the field then see ya!

Maybe they can trade Turner for a late round pick.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm thinking we don't get a #1

Sparano probably plans on that #1 emerging from the current roster. Every other scary WR corps in the NFL was primarily developed within the team. New Orleans is a great example. Colston was a 7th rounder. Look at Arizona, all those guys were drafted. Have patience, let these guys develop. Camarillo still returning to form, Bess settling in with Henne finally, Hartline a rookie, etc. I just wonder if there looking to unload Ginn…..

by Red Dog on Dec 7, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think your missing the point of where a guy like Fitzgerald, Johnson, ect.. were drafted.

If theres a sure fire guy sitting there when our number one pick comes around then we should jump at it. I dont think you can underestimate how much better a number 1 reciever will make this offense.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

we don't have that guy on the roster right now.

one element of that #1 WR is speed. Another is Size. We do not have a guy besides Ginn with enough speed to stretch defenses… that is just a fact that is not subject to debate.

But you can have a mid-fast guy that is big enough to make catches over guys, but he still needs to be faster than anyone on the roster. Turner might be that guy in the Fitzgerald mode, but it doesn’t look promising right now and I still don’t think he has the speed to get open downfield. He is probably more in line with a Gadsden type of guy… red zone-jump ball threat.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Get that #1 receiver

but keep these other guys all intact. You can never have too much depth, plus Cammy probably aint worth much in the trade bait dept anywayz. We still dont know what we have in Turner….but I do hope to see him sometime soon….Henne has shown that he can throw that nice fade route in the corner of the endzone.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we trade/sign a stud

or look in round 1 of the draft, then let the 6 guys battle for 5 spots. Practice-squad the loser of the position battle.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 7, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not gong to lie

I thought our season was over after last weeks lost. After loosing to the floundering bills I didn’t this team had a shot. My eyes gleamed a little after NO male sexual organ slapped the Pats around Monday night. However, I was still very doubtful about our chances on Sunday. I must say though after watching Henne show up as a true leader and march our team down the field I think this is the happiest I have been after a Dolphin victory in a very long time. No matter how far we make it this year I am excited and all together pumped to be a Dolphin fan and I am looking forward to see how they grow from here.

by qbinfin on Dec 7, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

I think its crap

that no one is giving Ginn any props here. i know he didnt have a huge numbers game by any means…but he had a a couple of very nice grabs, one awesome grab on the sidelines, a couple of good run backs and no big drops. If your going to hammer on him when he has a bad game, lets atleast give him some props when he does something good for the team too.

by dlux2561 on Dec 7, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

i think you have to look at the body of work from him so far.

he has had some good, and some bad, but he is very inconsistent and has missed on more critical plays than he had made.

So yes, he did some good things yesterday. I loved the way he dotted the “i” on the sidelines with that one catch. But he is going to have to quit dropping critical, catchable, balls before he deserves props.

IMO

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I give him a mini-props

for those catches, the one being a very nice one. BUT, you should always expect your WR to make a catch…hence the name of the position. Hard to give too much props to someone when they dont actually drop the ball for once. He did have a really nice return though…so I give him props on that one.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

how pale and thin the love for ginn

dude deserves better; he’s actually won games for us.

by a1a on Dec 7, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

and lost more than twice as many....

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by Fr8Train on Dec 7, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

... someone here has heard that in the bedroom...LOL

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL Ouch!

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He has 9 drops this year.....

Only T.O. and Mario Manningham have more drops than he has. Not a good stat to be top in the league.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I only saw

Wilfork make just 1 play in the backfield. So, kudos to Berger on a solid job against one of the monsters of the league.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

him and Garner really stepped up and kept Henne on his feet most of the game. I wonder if the reason we passed it 52 times was by design, or because we were missing 2 of our best run-blockers in Grove and Thomas

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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 7, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Coming down off this emtional high is hard, but I can't wait for next Sunday already !!!

Sugar cone with Chocolate ice cream on the bottom & Orange sherbet on the top !!!!!!! NOW !!!!!!!!!!!

by Ohiofinfan4life on Dec 7, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

I was under the impression that you were ALWAYS on an emotional high!

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL!! Dido that statement ; )

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)

by Aleta on Dec 7, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

WOW....

… glad I read that twice…

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The most impressive stat in my opinion is 3 in 9.

That is 3 4th qtr comebacks in 9 starts for our young QB. That is ridiculously exciting. The kid has started 9 freaking times and already has led us to 3 comeback victories. That is clutch if I have ever seen it.

Dolphins and Gators baby!

by gatorfin on Dec 7, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

Now if the defense can continue to step up in the 4th qtr.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I wish we didn't have to rely on him to do that.....

But it is nice to know he is getting experience in the situation so later, when we are in a playoff game or maybe even the Superbowl and we find ourselves in that situation, we know he has been tested and he and his teammates have complete confidence in him.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Like everyother dolphinfan I want a big time receiver...

But damn those guys were clutch yesterday. Other than the stupid Pat White pitch bullshaz I lioved the passing game. Henne had all-day to throw. Our line is tremendous. I think Henne will be all-world when he learns to put touch on some of his throws.

8-8 is a victory at this point!

by phatfinfan on Dec 7, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

Those guys are all clutch but we need a guy or guys that are threats to break a big one every time they touch the ball.

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

That ball was deflected by the defense

For those that didn’t know it….maybe if Pat would have had the guy hold the block for more than 1 second and allowed him to make the read and then get the pitch off, it might not have been so bad. But the ball was deflected as Pat went to pitch the ball to Ricky.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not mad at Pat White...

I’m tired of the cute stuff when old-school football is winning.

8-8 is a victory at this point!

by phatfinfan on Dec 10, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I think if they want to bring Pat White out, they should bring him out maybe one drive each half, at the start of the drive (so he doesn’t break the rhythem of the QB coming out) and let him play a full series. The one play here, and one play there isn’t fair to either QB. Doing it how I said, would allow Pat White to at least get 6 plays a game in, face at a minimum 2 third down plays, and allows more options in play calling.

I think we have an interesting tool in Pat White, I just don’t like the manner that we are using him.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 10, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

wow im sorry

that i left yesturdays blog early i totally thought we were done, if u put dbess on the pats team he is just another welker he is hat good.

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by miafins23 on Dec 7, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Excellent freakin writing Matty!

I enjoyed every word… and I’m sure it makes it easier to write when the Dolphins win. But even when they don’t, you provide what’s needed. At least to this blogger.

I don’t consider Devone Bess a “poor man’s” Wes Welker. Considering the years differential between the two, Bess is every bit as good as Welker.

Kinda puttin your hand out there on the “it” factor…. lol And agree totally on the need for a very good Free Safety and to keep the Pat White farce out of the line-up.

And can you imagine what could be if the team gets a true No. 1 reciever, what, with Ginn and Hartline on the field at the same time..? Oooo baby!!!

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Like I said before, I think the loss to Buffalo was a good thing. Even though it made it harder for themselves

If that didn’t happen they get steamrolled by NE by not being prepared mentally. I think that loss got this team back on track mentally and it’s only up to them to fight who I’m believeing will be Baltimore for the last spot. Especially the way Pitt’s been playing lately. Where’s MOSULFAN with and updated playoff statistic.

by D0lphins4Life on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

Henne has a goddam rocketarm

and bess may have the best or 2nd best hands in the league (after Welker). Now we know what Wes would look like with dreads.

by captain flitzy on Dec 7, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

... and a tan

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone else in here

coined him the Predator mixed with a Smurf. Ha, classic. Besst hands in the league.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait

I do have to say that Larry Fitzgerald has the best hands in the legue….guy hauls in everything. Then Besst and Welker can duke it out for 2nd place.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Andre Johnson.....

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by Fr8Train on Dec 7, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Randy Moss as well

lol Bess is definitely in the “elite” class as far as hands go, but there’s probably 10-12 guys in that class with him.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 7, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

... this must be the only place...

… where dudes can talk about how good another dude’s hands are and not be thought of as HAPPY….

… especially a class full of guys with great hands… oh my…

Should we lock the door..?

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

"happier"

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"happy"

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by Dave.Phuller on Dec 7, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Moss drops too many balls to be considered as having great hands

He makes great plays, by going up and out jumping guys, but he drops way too many passes (6 through the first 11 games this year, 11 last year compared to 10 by T.O., and Moss led the league with 12 drops in 2007)

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah got to say those are the ones I would rank higher

Fitzgerald, Welker, Johnson…….maybe Reggie Wayne and then Bess.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Good hands yes....

But I am thinking that there are a few guys out there with better hands, and Welker is definitely one!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Well written Matty. I completely agree.

I will admit that I teared up at the end of this game, watching Henne drive this team to victory on the strength of his arm. It has been a very long time, as a fin fan, since I have seen that kind of QB play. What I saw yesterday from Henne was more than “it”. While I agree that he certainly showed the ability to set aside the last play, and move fearlessly on to the next (which is amazing to me, the guy is truly the iceman), what was really exciting to me was watching him make throws that no other QB since “the man” had the physical talent to make. I liked CP10, but there is NO WAY he could have gotten the ball to the WRs quick enough to make half of the plays Henne made yesterday.

You mentioned mistakes, but ever QB makes mistakes. Brady made mistakes. Even the over-throw of Polite happens for the best of them occasionally. But by and large, over the course of the game, what I noticed was a deadly accurate QB, making good decisions, making pressure throws, and delivering them with pin point accuracy. Maybe the whole game was a fluke, and Henne really can’t deliver this kind of performance with consistency, but yesterday I saw the ability and we will have to wait to find out whether or not this is what we can expect out of him over the long haul.

And about luck: there is luck in every game, and it generally swings both ways. While the Fins got a few lucky breaks yesterday, so did the Pats. But luck didn’t decide the game. The winner of the game is usually the team that can overcome the unlucky breaks, and take advantage of the lucky ones. Yesterday, that team was the Miami Dolphins.

Yes, I got all misty at the end of the game. Beating the Jets was a “spite” thing. It felt good, but it was all about stomping on a hated rival. Yesterday though, I saw my beloved Dolphins beat a good football team, and do it with a real leader at the helm. They did it without any exotic formations/tricks/gimmicks/ or flukes. I didn’t have a vindictive thought for pats. I just was swelling with pride for my team. It has been a long time since I have felt that good about a win.

One last thought: Just for fun, “what-if” the Fins succeed on the 2 pt conv, earlier in the game, do the Pats kick the FG on 4th and 1 in the 4th Qtr?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

I know that

you have already sent Henne some nude pics of you signed with your phone number on them. Can’t say I blame you after this game! Lol. CP10 who? Just kidding. Hope he comes back to the team next year….word is that he still wants to play here and compete with Henne-Cannon for the starting job…..I say stick with Henne, but keep CP10 around.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

i am not entirely sold on the kid yet… it will take a solid #1 WR to really judge his potential. But so far, when i ask the magic 8-ball if Henne is the guy, it says “signs point to yes”.
=)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

LCFF, you crack me up….I dont think that you have been entirely sold on anyone since I have known you. Lol. I aint saying give the man a crown, but you gotta like where he is going.

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by Dragon27az on Dec 7, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

keep cp10 to help henne work on his touch passes , that and a little better timing on the long ball and we have a complete q b go phins

by finslifer on Dec 7, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Sports-Nutt

Good Game for Miami, better game for Chad Henne, Miami at 6-6 might still have a shot at the playoffs, they have a big game this week aganist Jaguars gonna be exciting if they can win that game.

by Sports-Nutt on Dec 7, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

Okay, I have to point out something that really bugs me

the main wire article about the Fins-Pats game talks about it like the Pats lost the game – not like the Fins won it.
Maybe you might not see the difference, but it feels condescending to me… like it was the Pats’ game to lose all along, and then let Miami have it. The way I see it, Miami took the game away from the Pats. The sure as hell didn’t have it handed to them!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions  

damn right!!!

our offense stepped up, and our defense were beasts in the 4 th quarter(guess that extra 6 minutes of practice paid off )

by finslifer on Dec 7, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

well the pats

did lose the game!!!

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

This is how it's been

Every game of the season, I feel.. Especially with the Jets.

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by Dave.Phuller on Dec 7, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

good to

know that you now love the 2 goys i honked the loudest for all pre season…

ireland may take grief on draft day but his picks sure do look better after week 7 then after the 7th round

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 7, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

now don't you start that crap =)

i was honking all on my own for both those guys since preseason as well. I even got into an argument with someone (think it was finster) about how good i thought hartline would be.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 8, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

....you were honking on two guys..??!

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by Alpha6 on Dec 8, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

I know you did get into it with finster over his belief that the (IIRC) the only reason hartline was playing was because drafting him was a HUGE mistake, that turner was the best receiver on the team, and by playing hartline it would justify the huge mistake he is/was….

something like that…. it was a big drag on the Henne vs. Penne arguement that was going on at the time and i’m still grumpy about it… ;~0

 but if you want to see who is the longest honker, i’ll go back to my draft day posts… that profess my love for the pick.

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 8, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

fair enough. i am not competing over who honked first

just after the Cam thing, i don’t want you thinking that I was “fence sitting” on this one. ;-)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree with LCFF....

Miami beat new England ! NE didn’t let this game get away… We took it to them and they know it !!!…. James Brown was the only one who had the nuts to pick Miami over NE
in the pre-game predictions.

We need to get back to the SB and win it so we can shut some peoples mouths !

Jimbo

by Dolphinator on Dec 7, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

OOORAH

Dolphins beating the Pats is a thing to help get me through the week!!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Dec 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm

I’m starting to think that the absence of the Wildcat is actually a positive thing.

by Undefeatedin72 on Dec 7, 2009 4:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

with ronnie in there yes , the wildcat is a positive , without him let henne win the damn game

no more pat white for now, dammit , I wanna go to the playoffs please !! If they work out a seiries of downs for him next year fine , but 1 down in and out is just a waste of a down.

by finslifer on Dec 7, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

Pat White

Why do the Dolphins put in White for one play, where he does nothing, they waste a down and Henne is in rhythm. I’m sure there’s a good reason (because Sparano said so) however, now it seems like such a waste. Let him get the practice on the practice field. Sometimes the Wildcat annoys me. Am I the only one?

by Valentine14 on Dec 7, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

It's like when...

… you’re with a group and everybody is talking about this person… and everyone is laughing and giggling or getting their issues out about this person, right?

… and then the person everyone is talking about walks in…
… it just ruins all the fun…… damn it.

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by Alpha6 on Dec 7, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

How can you say you beat a championship contender.

The pats are 7-5 and 1-5 on the road. You beat an above average team at home congrats. Now can you please get off the fact you have a chance of making the playoffs with your schedule?

by Jerrad p on Dec 7, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

i can't say i understand your logic

are you saying that our remaining schedule is tough? I mean, Jax, Hou, Pitt, and Tenn are all beatable. It’s not like any of them are firing on all cylinders right now. Just because the Jets are out of it doesn’t mean the Dolphins are.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 7, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Go figure!

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by texascowpunk on Dec 7, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Until pat white launches one downfield or either throws a pass to a crossing reciever

the other team knows he is going to run… so basically it’s a wasted down.
I say either let the guy throw a pass once in a while or forget it…. and by the way
one play doesn’t do much of anything either way…. We have all noticed that !

Jimbo

by Dolphinator on Dec 7, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

Does anybody know

if they are going to replay this game?

by phranchise on Dec 7, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

do you think

they’ll change the outcome??? i’m pretty sure they want to.

The Future is now, stop the bandwagon and lets get the Henne train rollin, as we all hope that the 14th dwarf is the real prince charming.

by W NY Fins Fan on Dec 8, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Pat White definitely needs to sit right now

he’s not ready to contribute, and I think more importantly, we don’t have the right personnel to allow him to be successful. He’s a spread option QB, and we don’t the receiving threats to make a spread work. Put guys out there that scare people, and force them to play 6 in the box, and you’ll see Pat White have some success IMO. He’s not able to run the Wildcat as we have it set up, and he’s not a good NFL-style QB at this point in his career. But I do believe the reason we drafted him is because we want to bring some elements of the Spread Option into the NFL, and what better way to do that than to get one of the best triggermen for it? Will it be a full-time offense? Hell no, and I wouldn’t use it unless we needed a spark or the situation/opponent called for it, but similar to the Wildcat, it’s something else to prep for and can be successful..

Make no mistake, this is Henne’s team, but it’s NEVER a bad thing to have multiple weapons and multiple ways to hurt an opponent. Having a spread option-style attack built around White can only help, so long as it works and isn’t used when we are in rhythm.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Dec 7, 2009 8:11 PM EST reply actions  

put thigpen in.

at least he has experience and would not be learning on the run (so to speak).

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Dec 8, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Good writeup Matty

always a good Sunday post.

Fun Fact: I believe every time Mike Ditka Chooses the Phinz they win, he was the only one to choose the Phinz during NFL Countdown.

by Ex Sniper on Dec 7, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions  

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