How would you get Cameron Wake more snaps?
by DolphDallas on Dec 13, 2009 11:12 PM EST
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PrintIn an article from the Sun-Sentinel, Pasqualoni and Sparano talk about why Wake is not in the game more:
Sparano points out that Wake had 10 snaps against the Patriots last week, and in those opportunities he only produced one positive play: the hit to quarterback Tom Brady that led to Crowder's game-sealing interception.
"Some of it's been really good; some of it has been uneventful," Sparano said of Wake's body of work. "You have to be able to handle the run. You have to be able to handle the tight ends. You got to be able to do those type of things, too."
If anyone out there has the game taped or on DVR, would you mind watching the 10 snaps that Wake is in on to tell us (or find a writer who would tell us) how Wake is doing against the run. I would feel better that he is being used correctly if I read that although he is dynamic against the pass, he looks lost/weak/overaggressive against the run, etc.
BTW my new arm-chair Defensive Coordinator idea is to do away with the Free Safety Gibril Wilson altogether and go to a 4-4 base defense (since Gibril Wilson is worthless anyway). Use Cameron Wake as a Rover/DE with his hand on the ground on either side. When Wake needs a rest, bring in Yeremiah Bell to play a Strong Safety type of Rover (who should blitz alot). Chris Clemons plays single safety deep. Otherwise, the 3-4 base defense is AS IS.
LDE Langford / Baker
NT Soliai / McDaniel
RDE Starks / Merling
Rover Cam Wake / Yeremiah Bell (when Wake gets tired)
LOLB Taylor / Moses
LILB Crowder / Torbor
RILB Ayodele / Torbor
ROLB Porter / Anderson
LC Davis
RC Smith
S Clemons / Culver
You are gambling that Wake can get to the QB before the QB can make them pay for not having a second safety in coverage.
I'll take that gamble. Especially when that second safety is Gibril Wilson.
Thoughts?
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I'd have him on the field at all times
at the weak side and interchange Taylor and Porter at strong side.
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I wouldn't go that far
I want him fresh for passing downs. Play Anderson or Moses(whichever is stronger vs, the run) on first down at LE and then put a fresh Wake in on 2nd and long/passing downs. Alternating Porter and Taylor at RE is fine since they are both pretty similar.
I actually think Wake is better at LE than right since he goes up against the bigger slower run blocking tackles that play RT
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Dec 14, 2009 3:58 AM EST up reply actions
Wake has equal or better stats
than the starting linebackers, but only 1/4 to 1/5 the snaps. The man needs to be in ALL THE TIME.
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Couldn't have said it better myself.....
JT is old and not playing as well late in the season as he was at the beginning. He should be the situational pass rusher and Wake the starter.
As for Sparano’s comments about not being able to cover the TE…..show mw one Dolphin that has been able to all year. It’s been the Achilles Heel of the defense all year. How could Wake do any worse? At least with him in there we’d get more QB pressure which would help the pass defense.
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Dec 14, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
We want WC to rush the passer, not get into a TE coverage ; )
WTH Sparano is talking about?
If a TE is open then is a passing play, in which CW will rush the passer!!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
I’m in complete disagreement with your 4-4 idea. I think our base should be a 3-3-5. Wilson and Bell are both very good around the line of scrimmage. They just struggle playing deep. Akin Ayodele is much worse around the line of scrimmage than either Bell or Wilson. Also, put in Wake for Taylor or Porter and let him penetrate. When I’ve seen him against the run, he’s been better than Porter. Wake did play more last game, and, again, he came up big. He was largely responsible for JP’s sack, and he of course got the game-clinching sack.
He’s one of our two or three best players on D – no question about it.
We wake & blunder on, / wiser, on the whole, / but not more accurate.
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You are obviously taking Ayodele out of the starting lineup.
Are you replacing him with Nate Jone – Evan Oglesby or Chris Clemons?
Sounds like you have a 3-5 with Bell and Wilson being linebackers…
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I take AA out and play 3 safeties – Clemons at FS and Bell and Wilson as SS/Rover.
We wake & blunder on, / wiser, on the whole, / but not more accurate.
- John Berryman from THE DREAM SONGS #263
Wake = positive impact on the game. Wilson = negative impact on the game.
I like your idea, though.
I still want to alternate Wake and Bell in the rover role. Use Jason Allen as a mini-linebacker in place of Akin Ayodele.
Linebacker pass coverage problem SOLVED. Torbor in place of Crowder. Torbor has more impact on the game AND he is better in coverage (who isn’t better than Crowder?).
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I think you guys have too many DBs playing LB,
we still have to defend the run, lol.
by uncle finster on Dec 15, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
and then they pass the ball all over you
dont think it would work very well, a west-coast offense would rape that defense IMO
Two Things:
ONE: This is just the BASE defense. Against a three WR attack, you go to a nickel and guess what: Cam Wake gets more snaps on the 4-man nickel D-Line.
TWO: who is blocking who? Is Taylor rushing? Is Porter coming too? Who is blocking Randy Starks? Against a base offense, even with a short-medium passing game, if you have the linebackers jumping the intermediate routes and the CBs jamming the WR at the line, there won’t be enough time to get a pass off because the rush will be too strong. Somebody is coming free.
It is no different than if the FINS were to send a blitz against a West Coast offense.
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Why not just swap Bell and Wilson
and do a three man rotation with Porter, Taylor and Wake. I’d be a bit leery pulling the second leading tackler off the field with Johnson and Young on deck.
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. ~ John Wooden
More like the second-leading chaser after the QB or RB gets past the line and is running free in the secondary
You will need to make adjustments against Tennessee, but you still want Wake on the field. Do you remember what happened to Pat White when he tried to run the option and the OLB aggressively attacked the QB? An early pitch deep in the backfield and a big loss. What happens when Vince Young has to rush his throws? Good things.
Against the Titans, I recommend using Reggie Torbor and Jason Allen as ILBs with Torbor spying Young and Allen spying Chris Johnson. He is one of the few players on the D that can keep up with Johnson both in pursuit on the edge and in coverage on a RB receiving route. Your 4-4 becomes a 4-3 with Jason Allen playing a SS role near the line of scrimmage.
Bottom line: Cam Wake gets more snaps, spends more time in the Titan’s backfield, good things happen.
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Wake may get into the backfield with your scheme.
But I doubt any of the Titans will still be there.
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. ~ John Wooden
I see your point, what is the alternative?
If you take Wake out and put Wilson back in, if Chris Johnson or even Vince Young gets by the front seven, there is no chance that Wilson wlll chase them down from behind.
Which would you rather have?
Gibril Wilson whiffing on a tackle (or being outrun to the edge) OR Cameron Wake trying to beat his man and stopping Johnson or Young BEFORE they reach FULL SPEED while there still are linemen/linebackers/blockers in their way?
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by DolphDallas on Dec 16, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
There is the risk of that
But if you take Wake out and put Wilson back in, if Chris Johnson or even Vince Young gets by the front seven, there is no chance that Wilson wlll chase them down from behind.
Which would you rather have?
Gibril Wilson whiffing on a tackle (or being outrun to the edge) OR Cameron Wake trying to beat his man and stopping Johnson or Young BEFORE they reach FULL SPEED while there still are linemen/linebackers/blockers in their way?
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Wake is a non-factor against the run.
He is used when there is a 90% or better chance of a pass, usually replacing Langford as the LDE or as the 4 guy in the occasional 4-3 scheme. In his 130 some odd plays Wake has harassed the QB nicely on 15 of them, but only has 3 tackles and 2 wiffs in the other 115. Abandoning the 3-4 defence, which is already third in the league in sacks, doesn’t make a lot of sense.
They brought him here and are paying him nicely to learn the OLB position, he’s just not there yet.
It's what you learn after you know it all that counts. ~ John Wooden
Thanks for the statistical breakdown of Wake's snaps...it is what I'm looking for...
One point I would like to make: If he is in on plays that are 90% chance of pass, how does he PROVE that he could be a factor against the run?
90% of 130 plays leaves approximately 13 plays against the run. If he has 3 tackles and 2 whiffs on 13 plays, that’s not that bad for a rookie (assuming some plays aren’t even run at him).
Also, he has 5.5 sacks PLUS 15+ pressures and also a lot of other non-statistical disruptions (occupying blockers/attention so that Joey Porter or Randy Starks gets the sack, etc.)
I’m not calling to abandon the 3-4 so much as move one of the safeties up to the line of scrimmage (in the form of a ROVER either Wake or Bell). Otherwise, the 3-4 stays pretty much the same. We just get Wake on the field (sometimes with both Taylor AND Porter AND Wake at the same time, other times Moses AND Anderson AND Wake).
I contend that there’s going to be improvement in the pass rush on first and second down (with some risk…but well worth the risk).
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One Last Comment...maybe
We have a dreadful safety named Gibril Wilson who desperately needs to be benched
We have a dominant game-changing DE named Cameron Wake that desperately needs more time on the field…
so what should the coaches do about it?
How about ADD Wake (in a role in which he is best suited) and SUBTRACT Wilson!
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