Big plays doom Dolphins as they fall to Patriots
A lot of people will likely want to focus on the negatives in the Dolphins 27-17 loss to the Patriots on Sunday. And I'll obviously highlight some of the more glaring ones myself. But let's not sell this team short. The Dolphins went up to New England and stood toe-to-toe with a team with superior talent. And despite everything that went down, the Dolphins had the football with three and a half minutes left in the game, needing only a touchdown to tie. That's not too shabby.
Of course, there are no m oral victories in the National Football League. And I think head coach Tony Sparano said it best:
"Close in this game just doesn't get it. That's why these guys have a lot of banners out there right now. They figure out a way to win those close games. From our end, we understand where we are right now."
"We're a good football team. We're really close to being a really good football team. But we've got to get it to turn.''
Let's talk about some of the story lines from Sunday's game.
Can we get a little pressure, people?
You will look at the box score from this game and see that the Dolphins registered two sacks. But even that figure is misleading. Personally, here's the important question to ask: did the Dolphins make Tom Brady uncomfortable at all in the pocket? The answer, obviously, is a resounding "no."
How many times did we have to sit and watch Brady sit in the pocket for three or four seconds? How many times did we see Brady have the time to stand tall in the pocket and pat the football two or three times before firing a completion to one of his receivers? Far too many times, folks. Far too many.
After the game, Sparano himself acknowledged that a lack of pressure on Brady was a huge problem. But he also explained why the Dolphins couldn't just continually blitz left and right like some were probably hoping to see.
"We need to have more pressure on the quarterback," Sparano said. "Against a guy like Tom Brady, you can't come out there and just blitz the guy. This ain't his first rodeo. You've got to be able to win some of these [one-on-one] deals. You've got to win some of these five-man rush situations. We've got to do a better job of getting pressure on the passer, period."
Randy Starks was among those who echoed Sparano's sentiments.
"He had far too much time sitting back there," said Starks. "When you have the one-on-one, you've got to win."
Reggie Torbor was another Dolphin who believes that a lack of pressure on Brady was a big problem. In fact, even Brady himself said after the game that he really didn't feel any pressure, telling the media:
"There weren't too many pressures or hits, or anything like that. I had a lot of time to sit back there and make the throws."
But for some reason, Joey Porter - whose mouth I might be beginning to grow tired of - doesn't think that anything was wrong with Miami's pass rush:
"As a team we got pressure on them. But not enough. We could have made more plays out there. But it wasn't the lack of pass rush why we lost the game."
Ugh! Of course the lack of a consistent pass rush wasn't the one reason why the Dolphins lost. But it's among the biggest reasons. If Joey honestly thinks that the Dolphins got enough pressure on Brady, then I think he needs to take some time off or something because he's delusional. His head coach, teammates, and even the opposing quarterback all agree that the Dolphins really didn't do a good job at all pressuring the passer. And in my humble opinion, the lack of consistent pressure was the single biggest defensive problem on Sunday.
The 'Wildcat' and 'WildPat'
You know, maybe this Pat White experiment has some hope after all? That's what many Dolphin fans - those who have doubted White - were left saying following Sunday's game in which we saw some extensive Pat White snaps.
While White is still yet to complete a pass, we saw the kind of play-making ability White has and the new wrinkle - the spread option - that White introduces into this offense. White had a dazzling 33 yard run on Miami's first touchdown drive. And that drive was capped by a Ricky Williams 15 yard touchdown run in which White took the snap and ran the option to the right side, executing a perfectly timed pitch to Ricky, who then did the rest by powering his way into the endzone to tie the game at 10.
If nothing else, this is just another wrinkle now that opposing defensive coordinators must prepare for when facing the Dolphins. But at its best, this new wrinkle has the potential to gain some of that elusive "chunk yardage" that this offense seems to have so much trouble gaining.
White actually looked comfortable running the ball, too. He showed good vision, terrific acceleration, and even some toughness when running between the tackles. It's enough to get me excited about what this new wrinkle could become as White progresses.
All told, White took eight snaps at quarterback. On those plays, the Dolphins gained 60 yards of offense - including 52 of the 80 yards gained on that first Miami touchdown drive. Not too shabby.
On the flip side, the 'Wildcat' wasn't very effective at all. The Dolphins gained just 11 yards on 10 'Wildcat' plays. But they did lose 11 on the attempted reverse pass in which Henne was sacked. So if you take that away - which is a high risk, high reward, kind of play - the 'Cat gained 18 yards on 9 snaps. It did score a touchdown, though, when Ronnie Brown threw a 1 yard pass to Joey Haynos. And I really like the potential of more 'Wildcat' snaps inside the red zone because of Ronnie's ability to accurately throw. But the 'Wildcat' was bottled up effectively for the third week in a row.
To be fair, though, the entire running game was bottled up due to the lack of any real passing attack. Ronnie and Ricky combined for just 81 yards and averaged only 3.68 yards per carry. So it's not so much that the 'Wildcat' is dead as it is Miami's inability to run the football right now due to defenses making it a priority to shut down the ground attack.
Passing continues to be an issue with mediocre receivers
Chad Henne's stat line wasn't terrible. Of course, 42 of those yards were garbage time passing yards. But even still, I like what I have seen out of Henne thus far.
Henne continues to impress with his arm strength. There's no question that he has a cannon. His accuracy is still off at times - but I see the number of inaccurate throws going down each week it seems, which is a positive sign. But most of all, I have been impressed with his poise and toughness in tight situations.
Take that final drive with the score 24-17, for example. In a hostile environment with the game on the line, all Henne did was put the ball right on the money on to two of his receivers. But, yet again, Miami's receivers failed to make the plays that must be made to knock off good football teams. Brian Hartline dropped what was a catchable ball and would have resulted in a first down. Then two plays later, it was Ted Ginn dropped a catchable ball that would have also resulted in a first down and extended that potential game-tying drive.
Was either catch an easy catch to make? No. But Henne put the football right where it had to be each time to give only his receiver a chance to make the catch. Both passes hit the receivers in their hands. Both catches have to be made.
But more than anything else, those two plays just emphasize what the Dolphins must address in the offseason. They need that true "go-to" receiver that good NFL teams have. They need to give their young (potential franchise) quarterback some help out there. All he can do is stand tough in the pocket and put the football right where it needs to be. He did that twice on a potential game-tying drive and his receivers failed him. It's that simple.
With all that said, Henne still has issues to iron out himself. For example, he can't run backwards when under immense pressure. He needs to learn to either throw the ball away or at least reduce the negative yardage by going down rather than backwards. Obviously, his use of that "fourth timeout" was costly in a crucial moment of the game - resulting in a five yard penalty. But even still, he showed the mental toughness to put that mistake behind him and make a throw to Ginn that a good receiver has to make.
The fact of the matter remains that the Dolphins simply don't have the receivers to get the job done. And until they do, this offense will struggle. Teams will key on the run - as we've seen these past three or four weeks - and will force Chad Henne to beat them. I think he has the talent to do so. But he needs his supporting cast to make some plays.
TURNING POINT OF THE GAME
The Dolphins had just put together a 16 play, 66 yard, 10 minute touchdown drive to take a 17-16 lead. Leave it to this defense to give the lead right back.
On the ensuing New England possession, on the third play of the drive, Tom Brady connected with Randy Moss on a crossing route - in which Brady had a ton of time throw - and Moss stiffed-armed Vontae Davis and was off to the races for a 71 yard touchdown. The Dolphins never recovered. Without question, that play was Sunday's turning point of the game.
QUICK HITS
Some more quick hit thoughts on Sunday's game:
- I know the secondary didn't perform well today. But I'm very excited about the futures of Sean Smith and Vontae Davis. Vontae's interception was a spectacular play. And he even impressed Randy Moss, who said after the game about Vontae, "Look, I'm heading out of this league. You're coming in. You're going to be a good player. Keep working."
- So why was Moss single-covered so much? Tony Sparano said after the game that "you can't double them all." And that's exactly it. When the Patriots have 5 guys going out in routes, the Dolphins don't have too many options. Should they have had a deep safety more often? Probably. But a deep safety doesn't help on Randy's 70 yard touchdown off of a crossing route. And Vontae was step for step with Randy on his first big reception. He just didn't get his head around quick enough and Randy made a terrific one-handed catch. What can you do?
- The Dolphins converted 52% of their 3rd downs (9/17). That's pretty damn good.
- Dan Carpenter continues to earn his "DC$" nickname. Anyone want to argue about it at this point?
- Joey Haynos? Ain't nothing wrong with that. I want to see some more of him in the coming weeks.
- I'm still not a fan of Ricky Williams taking the 'Wildcat' snap. I think I've seen enough of it. Ronnie just has a knack for it - let's stick to him as the 'Wildcat' orchestrator.
- Did the Dolphins miss Jason Ferguson and Channing Crowder or were the Dolphins just too concerned about the pass? Either way, the Pats averaged 4.5 yards per carry on the ground. Not acceptable.
- Still some questionable play-calling. But the thing is - if those play-calls work, nobody would be calling for Dan Henning's head like some were during the game. He's a genius if a play works; an idiot if it doesn't. Is that fair?
- With that said, I HATED the quick screen to Davone Bess on a 3rd & 19. At least take a shot deep. In fact, why didn't we see at least one deep pass attempted during the game?
- Last word about the "clock" controversy before halftime: it's not a controversy. When the football hit the ground on the incomplete pass, there was still one second left on the clock. Period. Sure, if it's in Miami, the operator would run that second off. But props to Gillette Stadium's clock operator for being alert and stopping the clock as soon as the ball hit the ground. That's a benefit of home field advantage. If the roles were reversed and we were at home, I'd hope our clock operator would be as alert.
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u hit the needle on the head there
we definetly did not have any pass rush
Who DAT: WILDCAT
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by DPL3 Rollin on Nov 9, 2009 12:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
where was the pass rush
the whole game I was looking for the exotic blitz and I didnt see anything. I give credit to Wake, he did his thing. I like Paul Soliai but It would be greater to see Fergy Ferguson in there putting some pressure. I thought Tony McDaniel did decent.
If you were the BIG TUNA who would you try to get in our reciever position next year? and who would you trade?
Personally I would try to activate Patrick Turner and see what he has for a couple of games, I would trade Bess or Camarillo for something or at least trade in a package sending both of them and a low draft pick for a TRUE #1 reciever.
For the Tight end position I can see Haynos in our future and sending Fasano for pick or whatever is he worth. I miss seeing David Martin out there. I think David Martin and Fasano were great together last year. but without Martin I dont see Fasano being a reliable catching guy.
For Middle linebacker who would you think that would be great? Im not sure who I would pick, but we couldve have gotten Rey Maualuga a run stopping beast or Zack Thomas back to retire and teach more to crowder or JD Folsom
I honestly think the wildcat has not been the same without Patrick Cobbs,
Draft Taylor Mays in 2010......................
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Nov 9, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys the pass rush was okay,with Ferguson out what do you want me to do?Put us in a 4-3 D.
You try coaching instead of spectating.If you consider the fact that NE had 2 weeks to prepare for this game and 6 practices 2 on the bye week,4 during game week my team did fine.One other thing to consider, yes we lost a game this week but this the NFL change happens we will win 7 games in a row.Starting with Tampa, i’m coach Sparano accepting all question this week.
by Tony_Sparno on Nov 9, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mental hospital here you come
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!! Can't spell his own name correctly...
Here’s your question Tony….
When you’re using a Q-tip in your ear and you feel pressure, do you stop..?
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by Alpha6 on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol I saw one of his posts and he was like refering to himself as if he was Tony and I was like yeah
that’s why you used that generic picture as your avatar, because apparently when you google “Tony Sparno” that is what comes up. Even if he spelled Sparano correctly, he still wouldn’t have fooled us.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are in big trouble if our head coach is spending down time in the Phinsider website
Instead of reviewing game film and evaluating game plans for this upcoming week.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony "Sparno"

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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh shit... LOL some more!!!
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by Alpha6 on Nov 9, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol that is his avatar.
he almost had us fooled
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why i'm coaching and your watching.LOL now.
by Tony_Sparno on Nov 10, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That learned us!!
Guess we know better now!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm Bill Parcells
We’re getting a receiver next year guys
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol I always knew you were Bill
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Jeff Ireland right?
And MaumontaV5 is prolly Wannstedt, that’s why he’s so mad all the time.
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol no I'm Al Davis.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
.... yeah, right...
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by Alpha6 on Nov 9, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You sound too smart
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol I'm the crypt keeper
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 10, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I am not buying that DIB
Dan Snyder, maybe…..Al Davis……not quite biting on that one!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You bite..?
… bite this..!
(I could not resist)
;-]
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by Alpha6 on Nov 10, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the update Bill
Glad you are on board with the WR thingy, now tell coach Sparno to get his fat ass back in the film room!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about DIB
He logs on from the Looney farm!! That’s how he spends his one free hour a week.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol he is obviously some ten year old kid.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about DIB
That’s where Tony Sparno logs onto the computer from……he gets one hour of free time a week and he spends it here with us! Aren’t we lucky!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
was it me....
or did it seem like tony sparano showed more enthusiasm than any of the dolphins players on sunday
by frostyphinfan on Nov 9, 2009 12:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
NO
You are exactly right. It almost appeared to me that the Fins players had seen into the future and just “KNEW” that they were going to lose. I saw very little in the way of fire defensively. Offensively….well, can’t really complain too much overall except for the dropped balls and a lack of understanding of why we didn’t run the ball more. We are a running team first and foremost. I don’t care if the running game is struggling all game, you have to keep pounding it. Henne did a good job converting 3rd downs and I feel anytime that Ronnie doesn’t run the ball 20 times and Ricky doesn’t run it 15 times we aren’t running it enough! Those guys wear defenses down (like on the long drive in the third qtr) and it keeps the other QB off the field.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm excited
for Sean and Vontae, I think we found some star players for years to come, but my god do we need some receivers, where is Bess and Camarillo from last year!??! Ugh regardless of how hard loosing is (especially to the Pats) you can’t help but feel excited for what’s brewing in Miami.
by Maguss on Nov 9, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think the future is bright
Vonte played a good game and is definitely a play maker. We just need to get a bit more “consistant” play out of him every down. I definitely feel good about our future with Davis and Smith back there!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bess and Camarillo...
…are no longer being thrown passes from Pennington. Henne can fire, but he throws bullets. I don’t think the receivers are capable of catching those. They need the softer passes from CP.
by Richard Hill on Nov 9, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why there is practice
I mean come on…..Henne doesn’t throw anywhere near as hard as Favre…but his receivers caught the ball.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not completely true...
Camarillo has not dropped a Henne pass yet. Camarillo is the only WR on the team that seems capable of consistently playing at a high level.
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by joel311 on Nov 9, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen enough... it's time to give Turner a chance
He may be lacking in speed and route running… but that’s all our receivers have now and how is that working out? Might as well change it up and see what we have in him. I don’t see any harm in starting him at all. Which hands do you trust more on a critical 4th down right now: Ginn or Turner?
by SDefee on Nov 9, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
clearly Turner
isnt picking up the offense fast enough. maybe hes not very smart
by YatilGinnJr on Nov 9, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but were not losing anything by trying out turner
And sheets for that matter its not like anyone else is making plays
Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.
by jojo phin fan on Nov 9, 2009 1:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
except maybe an interception...
If he’s not playing because he doesn’t understand the offense then he’s one play away from running the wrong route and making Chad Henne look like an ass
by metalhead86 on Nov 9, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Teach him 3 or 4 routes...not necessarily the whole playbook
Then let him try those in a game….maybe he can make a play, something that none of our WR’s are making!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, but if Turner goes in, who's coming out ?
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by Ohiofinfan4life on Nov 9, 2009 7:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, not saying do it every game from here on out
but maybe next week benching Bess and activating Turner would
A) Light a fire under Bess’s ass, and convince him to stop dropping balls/fumble
or B) Find out if Turner is good, bad, or ugly
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does it matter?
Maybe, just maybe he can provide a spark! Keep Bess in, he has the best hands…but after that, rotate the receivers that don’t play until someone steps up.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DAVONE BESS
Camarillo has outplayed Davone in every aspect of the game.
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by joel311 on Nov 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has caught more passes per the drop ratio
But Bess is one of the top 3rd down receivers in the NFL and his quickness allows him to get open much easier than Camarillo. Me personally, I would put Hartline out one game and bring Turner in. Don’t forget Bess returns punts too.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm at the point.....
I trust me more than I trust Ginn! Put me in coach….I’m ready to play!!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
definitly agree with you
What good is speed if the ball is not in your hand. The plus side to Turner is his size and height. Id rather Have the ball caught for positive yardage instead of dropped with no yardage. C’mon coach I would activate Turner and deacitivate Bess and give Ginn, Bess’s PR chores. Ginn and Camarillo have the same skill set so Y do we need both. We need a position RED ZONE threat rather then 2-3 slot recivers, I feel more conifident in putting Ricky Williams as a slot guy instead of Bess sometimes. (just my thoughts)
We should have gotten Anquon Boldin, Brandon Marshall, Edwards or someone spectacular to compliment the Run game. Every team is stacking the box and daring us to throw cause I WR are not dependable.
Draft Taylor Mays in 2010......................
by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Nov 9, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would hold out Hartline
Until he can get open as much as Bess does, and until he starts converting the 3rd downs that Bess does, he isn’t as valuable. And if Ginn can’t catch a pass, why would you want him returning punts????
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sean Smith
Why wasnt he playing moss… he’s the only guy with the height to matchup with him. It seemed like they had Davis on him most of the game. Or did NE purposely move Moss to Davis’s side to take advantage of the height mismatch? Grated vontae made a nice play on the interception but overall he was overmatched out there…
by YatilGinnJr on Nov 9, 2009 1:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
Yea, those 2 plays were huge. But take them out and what does Moss have? 20 yards recieving? Vontae did a great job on him. plus the second one catch was well design play to move the safetys out to the opposite side of moss. If a safety is 10 feet away from moss that play. It’s 20 yard gain not a 70 yarder td.
by Wallace758 on Nov 9, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Point is Moss had a 150 yard game
we arent taking any plays out. Moss put that on Vontae. Those “Huge, big time plays” were to their “huge, big time receiver.” Smith with his height might have had the edge with Moss
by g35phin on Nov 9, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it, Moss made some circus catches that were hardly defendable
It’s rough when the guy you are covering has arms as long as your legs.
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus u let Tommy boy be in the pocket for like forever
And think who is he gona throw the ball too
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
by Aleta on Nov 9, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ain't that the truth.
I saw him starting a fire and grilling Brauts back there while his receivers were running routes!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest...
I was real excited about Vontae, especially that pick, but Moss is a top 3 receiver OF ALL TIME. The Pats arent stupid, they know if they exploit it enough, Moss is gonna break one on a rookie, and boy were they right.
by captain flitzy on Nov 9, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Davis
had better overall coverage than Smith. It seemed like Smith was behind the receiver a lot. I think Smith plays off the receiver a bit too much allowing the ins and slants too much room and then he has too try to close in on the receiver while the ball is in the air. Sure, Davis made some mistakes but for the most part he had pretty tight coverage against one of the best receivers.
by CNYdolfan on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so
Davis has the knack for playing the ball and proved that one the two deep balls. I don’t think Smith’s height would have changed anything in the other plays. Davis has better speed and is more physical. Personally I chalk it up to a learning experience against arguably one of the top two or three WRs in the game (Fitzgerald and A. Johnson are in the debate as well).
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing against Smith...
But Smith probably would not have as tight of coverage on Moss
by metalhead86 on Nov 9, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Each rookie covered Moss that game.
And without Moss’ one-handed circus grab, his numbers don’t top 100 yards. Vontae had him blanketed in that play and Moss pushed off and made a sensational catch,there’s just not much Vontae could really do there.
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by joel311 on Nov 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this team is a few players away from being a great team..
I love this team alot. But how different would have the game been if we had players like Roddy White, Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss on our team?
We need to take risks! I know The Trio took over a dreadful team 22 Months ago. But is it really hard to make that trade for a top 10 wr! Look at our draft picks this year. Hartline and Turner are not going to be that # 1 guy we are looking for! Maybe a # 2 but not # 1. I understand the players above would command top dollar but its well worth to spend 8-9 million a wide reciever to make this GOOD team into a GREAT team! We’re wasting Ronnie and Ricky’s talent right now without a reciever and making our offense EXTREMELY PREDICTABLE!
by Wallace758 on Nov 9, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Ricky's oonly got one more year anyway
And unfortunately, they don’t seem to be grooming a back up.
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 8:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
... have they even signed Ronnie to an extension..??
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by Alpha6 on Nov 9, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lex Hilliard?
There’s no reason to start playing Lex extensively when Ricky will be here all next year as well. Especially given the way Ricky has been playing all season… he runs like he’s in his mid 20s.
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by joel311 on Nov 9, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I hate Ricky for him leaving us a few years back and starting our decline
Dude is running with a purpose! He has great pick up and is punishing people that try to tackle him. I wouldn’t give any of his carries to Lex.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that they will look to improve the WR position in the offseason
It is apparent that we don’t have the answers on the roster. As far as wasting talent, yes, they are wasting Ricky and Ronnie. Those guys should be carrying the rock at least 35 times combined each and every game!!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah we need a WR...
But the defense has to be built up. We need some guys on defense that can produce some big plays more than anything right now. The pass rush looked old and tired and even on completions no one is laying any big hits out there. I really don’t want to hear about a #1 WR with the defense playing like this.
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by AussieKen on Nov 9, 2009 1:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I expect Sparano..
as the season to go on, integarte Wake in the lineup and replace JT and Porter. I’m tired of Porter’s on and off play. He looks his age right now and so does taylor. I think our defensive line is our strength and hopefully next year we draft ILB and OLB in the draft! WE need Pass rushers! Plus our safeties are going to be shaped up next year with Clemons probably starting and Wilson gone. I fully expect Miami to use 2 of their draft picks on linebackers in next year’s draft with our # 1 priority a WR
by Wallace758 on Nov 9, 2009 1:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
imagine if we had Jared allen on our team
I was all for getting him when he was a free agent but nobody listened to me
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by jojo phin fan on Nov 9, 2009 1:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jared Allen would have cost us a ton of picks!
or are you talking about 2007. when he signed a small deal to stay in KC? That was the cam cameron years. He couldnt spot Lawrence Taylor in a GIANTS UNIFORM!
by Wallace758 on Nov 9, 2009 2:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Dude, you aren’t the only one that they don’t listen to. They don’t listen to any of us….that’s the great thing about us being armchair coaches, we are always right and don’t have to risk anything!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When was Allen
ever a FA? I dont recall him ever being a FA in his entire career. Am I wrong?
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by Dragon27az on Nov 9, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he was....he was traded wasn't he?
At least I remember he was traded from KC to Minn.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Traded to Minnesota
Jared Allen was heading into the final yr of his 4-yr rookie contract and already had one strike against him for 2 drinking and driving arrests. KC didn’t want to risk signing him to a long term deal so they traded him to the Vikes. I believe it was for a 1st and 3rd.
by crossborderFISHingtrip on Nov 9, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And like I said on a previous post
If were going to run a 3-4 defense, lets get a defensive coordinator that knows how to RUN a 3-4 defense. Romeo where are you already?
by g35phin on Nov 9, 2009 1:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he is the answer
to our defensive needs
by g35phin on Nov 9, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
brandon marshall is a free agent after this year i believe
We gotta get him
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by jojo phin fan on Nov 9, 2009 1:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I like him alot but...
He’s going to cost potentially 2 1st rounds pick or 1st and 3rd round draft pick..He’s a restricted FA. Plus hes gonna command 8-9 million. I dont care about the money. We need to KEEP our draft picks..we need them!
by Wallace758 on Nov 9, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the pressure is off...
From a fan’s viewpoint, it’s highly unlikely we are going to make the playoffs, so I hope they spend the rest of this year figuring out how to make this good team into a great team. The Dolphins are always fun to watch, and I think the rest of the season will definitely be entertaining.
by dolfanatic on Nov 9, 2009 2:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mad dap to Moss
I hope he never gets his ring – but damn did he earn a lot of respect for fin fans.
Staring down Mark Sanchez. Just look into the those brown beauties.
by DolfinPhan on Nov 9, 2009 3:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree that until we get a good WR (or two, or three) the talents of our running backs is wasted. This good team has the potential to be great, and a contender for a long time, but until we improve our passing game teams will be able to stuff the box and nulify our offense completely.
I am frustrated for Henne because he is improving, and did most things right yesterday, but was let down by dropped balls (especially on that drive when we were down 7). Considering this guy is essentially a rookie, was on the road in a game of huge importance, against a great team who are a divisional rival, I thought he looked really confident. He didn’t look flustered, he didn’t make major mistakes, and when something went wrong it didn’t faze him.
Also on the plus side— was I the only one impressed with Jason Allen when he came in for the injured Davis for a while?? He made a great play in the end zone to break up a TD, and in general didn’t look anywhere near as clueless as I remember him being at corner.
Does anybody know if Cam Wake was getting snaps, I could barely work out the players & numbers from the TV angle so was relying on close ups and commentators most of the time. I remember he got to Brady twice at least.
P.S. I love that they were scared of Ted Ginn!
by LondonDave on Nov 9, 2009 4:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I saw him in on many plays. He was rushing the right tackle and doing well, but obviously not
getting too much pressure. Let him work the rest of the season and have another offseasos and he will be nasty in 2010.
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by gatorfin on Nov 9, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wake was near the QB on more than 50% of his snaps
He had one sack and just missed 2 others. He had more pressure than JP or JT on far fewer snaps. Maybe the coaches will start seeing that and make the OBVIOUS adjustments!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wake!
Wake was in on 11 snaps. He had 1 sack, 2 hurries on Brady that were almost sacks and a tackle for a loss. He needs to take Porters spot and let him sit for awhile.
by troynuke on Nov 10, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that's about what I remember
I haven’t gone back to analyze the game yet…..but 11 snaps sound about right. Imagine his numbers if he played 25-30 snaps a game. He just might be leading the league in sacks.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man...after a good nights sleep i feel alot better....
WTH Where was the pass rush????
I’m becoming a huge fan of Vontae Davis…i’m starting to think he’s better than Smith…
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by Kdog92 on Nov 9, 2009 5:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just a speculation feel free to explode on me if you think this is not true at all
Sure it’s also O-line play but i think that not allowing ted ginn to start (that threat down field) has really crippled our running game. (3 weeks ago we used to be the #1 run offense in the nfl we had a decent running attack against the saints we just decided to abandon the run in the second half so i believe even if the stats don’t exactly show it that we had a good running day.) I mean a decoy or a guy who occasionally creates separation and rarely catches still gets the job done in terms of removing people from the box. (just my opinion on ginn).
I like what you said about Pat White. Also i am really excited for the Wildpat or triple option or whatever you wanna call it. with pat white i think that having the possibility of ronnie or ricky getting the balls makes pat white a much better runner (if he could work on his passes he could get better) i think he should get like 1 (maybe more) drive a game where he gets snaps and we can run all our trick/option plays and on other drives we should allow henne to get a rhythm and really see what he can do with a full drive to himself. I know we want to keep defenses on their heels and it may be a bit predictable but the wildcat is losing a bit of it’s edge without pat… and henne seems to make 3 out of 4 throws and only letting him throw on 3rd down is a bit difficult for a young qb.
I also like the wildcat as a redzone offense primarily i think it’s more of a power running formation the threat of ronnie brown running straight at you or ricky running on the jetsweep and a pass? Now thats difficult to defend in the red zone.
by gamer3102 on Nov 9, 2009 5:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have been defending Pat White all year
Not because I like the guy, but because it takes a little time to learn an offense and learn it well and to learn the speed of the NFL game. He looked good at times out there and I though overall his new wrinkle will help up a lot. Imagine what else DCs around the league are going to have to do when White starts throwing the ball regularly (3-6 times a game) as well as his threat to run. Patience is key for White to be successful…..he is growing quickly and is definitely getting more comfortable back there.
Agree on the wildcat as a primary redzone (inside the 10 especially) offense. It creates a lot to think about and Ronnie is a good enough “QB” to make it more difficult to stop.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with The Wildcat being specifically a red zone formation.
There is a lot of big play potential from The Wildcat which you cannot take advantage of if you are inside the 20 every time you use it.
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by joel311 on Nov 9, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not saying using it only in the Red zone....
saying that it should be the primary offense that we use when we are in the red zone. Especially if Pat White can start throwing the ball, or if the receivers can catch the balls thrown from Ronnie.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we were ran over in those final minutes.
i dont know if it was the absences oh crowder and ferguson, or the fact that jt wasnt our strong-side lb. maybe roth isnt as good now as he was last year. or maybe jt gets the rest of our front 7 pumped. but we cant allow the other team to run through us like that. maybe we should stick with what was working put jt back in there at solb. try out wake, he seams to create pressure.
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by kewlguy on Nov 9, 2009 6:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
(another) totally winnable game?
Another win that got away by close.
Great post, Matty. Ricky taking the snap at Wildcat must stop – it’s clearly not working! Ronnie is much better in there.
The secondary has improved, for sure. Davis and Smith are our future and we should be glad.
And don’t me started on the WRs. That pass to Ginn (who I still think should be benched as a WR) was a tricky one, but if we had a great receiver he would’ve done the job. But we don’t have one, so we’ll keep struggling.
by Rennie85 on Nov 9, 2009 6:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Few things to note...
1. Henne is really developing quickly and as much as I hated to see CP10 go down, Im loving the fact that Henne is getting all these games under his belt now rather then next season and I think he’ll definitely be much better with an extra 13 games and an off season to correct mistakes. He is making extremely good throws but if he had a moss or welker that could get open and NOT drop passes, his stat line would look much better.
2. Our run game, like said before, is a lot better when we have a deep threat in the game. Its clear that we have no1 to stretch the field except Ginn and in my opinion if we are going to run, atleast have Ginn in as the blocking WR so the defense has to atleast take in the possibility that we are going deep and if Henne sees single coverage he can audible and take a shot.
3. Porter is looking way too old, as previously said, and wake had a sack and a qb pressure on the 5 plays (dont’ know exact number but it wasn’t a lot) that he was in. Put wake in more, and get porter out or more rest. Not sure what it is, but he isn’t nearly having the same pressure he did last year.
4. Bess made some very tough catches and yea he dropped one but overall I think he had a good game and bounced backed nicely from last week. Camirillo did what he normally does and catches everything but Hartline dropped a very catchable ball as did Haynos. We need a no. 1 more than we realize, and i think we all realize. Just imagine how much our offense would open up if we had a guy like Moss or Fitz or Andre, which is why i’m so high on our team because we still had 30 plus the past 3 games and we are doing it with a run first offense.
5. We have a lot t be excited about, we have a very young o-line, rb, d-line, and defensive back…honestly, we are two drafts and one or two quality free agents from being an elite team. As Moss said, he’s on his way out and we are on our way in. Anyone remember Brady before Moss? I do and although he was very good, he didnt have anyone to turn 10 yard catches into 70 yard td’s. Stay optimistic, because the future is very bright!
by tonyy on Nov 9, 2009 7:16 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I honestly..
couldnt agree more with everything you said to be honest. It has been beaten to death on this site, but you are right, no one realizes how badly we really do need a receiver. There is not even a threat, at all…which was fine with cp10 QBing, but now we got a guy who can whip it downfield, we neeeeeed someone, doesnt even have to be great, just somoene to go catch the dam ball down field. When Ginn dropped that one over the middle, that was the end of the Ginn as a main WR experiment for me.
by captain flitzy on Nov 9, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TWO drafts?
No way. We are one draft tops away from being a great team… hell, we could very well be just one or two FA pickups (WR & ILB) away from being elite.
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by joel311 on Nov 9, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
that was my response too. One draft or or a good free agency away.
by phillyfinfan on Nov 9, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's right Joel311 one draft and a couple FA pick ups.
This is my plan we have picks #1-4 two 6th and 1 7th rd. so as i address our following needs. in my Order we will start with the Draft.No matter this years outcome.
DRAFT picks
- DT
- LB
#3WR
#4OT
#6FS
#6WR
#7DE
FA SEAN BREASTON
by Tony_Sparno on Nov 9, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
give it up
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for putting our draft out there for every one to see coach
Now get your fat ass back in the film room for the last time!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hurry, before Rex Ryan eats you!!!
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by Farorefox on Nov 10, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
God, Run Tony.....we don't want ANYTHING to happen to you!
Show us that 9.4 speed buddy!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guest i want a #1 round WR
and a DT at the 4th round ; )
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
by Aleta on Nov 12, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pass Rush
To be honest I don’t think it is nearly as much about the players as it is the plain vanilla pass rush. If we bring 4 or 5 its fine .. but we have to overload one side … or stunt them once and a while. We should be making them guess which 5 we are bringing. I hate that we just bring 4 or 5 and the whole offensive line knows exactly who to block. It puts every single defensive lineman at a disadvantage. If the offense knows what they are doing and what the defense is doing, and the snap count, how is the defense going to compete? The truth is almost everytime we bring a safety blitz we are getting a sack or a hit on the QB, or a knockdown. The reason is not because the safeties are anything special as much as it is we are finally outwitting the offense.
I love the rookies and how they are coming along. I think we need to have Clemmons out there at FS with Yeremiah Bell or Gibril Wilson at SS. I think if Vontae Davis runs a little bit more before diving at Moss he makes that tackle. I love the interception. I do think we would be much better off if we paired Sean Smith with Moss though and Vontae against Welker. There were times that Smith had to cover Welker and he was mismatched because he had to drop his hips and make a cut that he wasn’t able to do as well as Welker because of his height. I think Vontae is able to stay with Welker a bit better on those quick routes and then hit him as he is catching the ball … or maybe jump that route. On the other side with Sean Smith (just a few inches taller than Davis) maybe Moss doesn’t make a one-handed grab because Smith jumps and breaks it up. I think the Patriots dictated exactly what they wanted with the matchups and again outsmarted our defensive coordinator.
You can’t play great defense with the mindset of stopping what the offense is going to throw at you. You have to make them worry about what you might throw at them. We have all the talent we need and we can not get it done with the pass rush. We let the other team dictate what they want to do. We let the QB sit back and find the one weakness in our defense and exploit it because we aren’t even trying to disguise what we are bringing.
Its like when the Patriots were taping the sidelines to figure out what the defense was going to do, only instead we are telling them exactly what we are going to do the second we line up. Awesome. I can’t believe we made the plays we did on defense.
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 9, 2009 7:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
after watching game rewind, I did see that we tried to confuse a little bit… We pretended we were going to bring one linebacker and brought the other one instead, but we went after the same hole. AWESOME…. how confusing… What we need to do is confuse them as to which hole we are coming through. That is the only way you mess up their blocking scheme…. If you bring one linebacker over another but bring him in the same hole you really aren’t doing anything… The tackle just picks up the other guy.
by Jason Scott_90 on Nov 9, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew it and we blew it...
I said in a post last last week " If we don’t get Brady’s uniform dirty we won’t win against New England. We didn’t….. he and pat’s beat us and now the best we can hope for if we run the table here on out is 10-5…. We will not make the playoffs in my opinion.
The loss yesterday stamped the word “Mediocrity” on our football club.
We are basically finished for the year…
Just playing for pride from here on out, and maybe a better draft choice.
Jimbo
by Dolphinator on Nov 9, 2009 7:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i disagree with mediocrity
in the colts saints and pats game we were within a touchdown with the ball in our hands with 2 to 3 minutes left. to me…against the top teams in the nfl we were very close and alot closer to winning than most teams that have played them prior. there is a difference between that and losing by 30 points.
by CaliPhinsFan on Nov 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think we were better than mediocre. I thought that was played well. Great…NO, well yes and with the exception of one play, it was a very competitive game. Was I disappointed, yes…..but more with the play calling, both offensively and defensively, than with the execution.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
but when it’s fourth and 4 with around 8 minutes left, and you are down two scores, you freaking go for it. A lack of risk is killing this team. Hyper-conservative play calling is what got Henning bounced from Carolina initially. I really want to see our QB coach as our new offensive coordinator.
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 8:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And Romeo as our new D-Coach
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and changing coaches every two years does wonders for your team
we don’t have talent at the LB position… you can’t mindlessly blitz with inferior personnel. you need to under stand the game is won and lost on the field. Be patient and in a year or two we will be good. Jets blitzed against us and we beat them. Rex didn’t have his guys like last year.
by nmphinfan on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We weren't down 2 scores.
We were down 24-17 at that point. We didn’t go down 27-17 until less than 2 minutes left. I don’t have a problem with us kicking at that point IF, and that’s a big IF, the defense can prove they can stop the opposition. I am not going to second guess that, mainly because I can’t remember where we had the ball. I believe we kicked and pinned them inside the 10 if I remember correctly. Bottom line is the defense is going to have to start making stands!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we weren't down two scores
it was 24-17
and it worked cus the Dolphins got the ball back with over 3 minutes left. so that’s not even close to the reason we lost.
by Matty I on Nov 9, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on brudda!
Should have been able to move the ball and score after that.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The (third) one that got away...
Aw shucks
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by Farorefox on Nov 9, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
At Least You Guys GET IT!
It is extremely refreshing to read comments by people that actually GET IT and see what is happening. Matty? Great observations and article. It IS exciting to see the glimpses of greatness this young team have going for them and the future is exciting. But I also agree that there are glaring deficiencies that we can and should address now, ie. receivers defensive line. Having Ferguson out really killed is in the run game but what’s not to like about the our future at the corners? We are a classy, well run, well coached team with intelligent, non-hysterical fans. Trust me, when it all comes together, and it will, the Dolphins will once again be in the upper echelon of the NFL. Sparano said it best, "We’re a good football team. We’re really close to being a really good football team. But we’ve got to get it to turn.’’ ’nough said.
by since1973 on Nov 9, 2009 9:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And we have to start finding ways to win
And stop trying not to lose games. Too many times this year we have played very well and should have been able to control the game but we went conservative. I really see that we lack any killer instinct.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Defensive Line?
No way brother. That is arguably the best unit on this team. The problem wasn’t the line itself, we were only sending 4-5 guys at a time because we were trying to cover all of the receivers. Pasqualoni was simply begging for them to run it down our throats.
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by joel311 on Nov 9, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see us rushing 5 very often.
I think we rushed 4 about 85% of the game and that’s not a good recipe against TB. I am not saying bring the house because they usually beat the all out blitz…..but bring someone and disguise it really well. I think we suck at hiding our blitzes…with the exception of the 1st half of the Saints game.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our Receivers
IMO Davone Bess just isn’t cutting it. He just isn’t the same receiver he was last year. I dont know if its because of not having CP10 but he just isn’t playing the same. But what i do know is this guy is very talented and do u remember the last talented slot receiver we let go???? Wes Welker sound familiar? I would hate for that to happen again
by Tdot_Fin_fan on Nov 9, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
you lost me at this
But for some reason, Joey Porter – whose mouth I might be beginning to grow tired of
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me help…
Joey Porter = Miami’s OLB
Joey has a big mouth = been opening it a great amount lately
I = Matty I
Beginning = starting
grow tired = getting impatient
So… Joey has a big mouth… been opening it a lot lately… and Matty is starting to get impatient with it.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Alpha6 on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very good breakdown Alpha
I could almost see the X’s and O’s on that one!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understood what it meant. I was saying that I disagreeded with it.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You lost me at this one:
disagreeded
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by joel311 on Nov 9, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol I thought I lost you at understood.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really lost Joel at "I though"
Two words together is too much.
Sorry Joel, just busting on you brother.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty cool of Moss to say that
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by Patssuck456 on Nov 9, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gamer: Excellent point on Ginn
Something is wrong with the run game, and I think you might have nailed it. Ginn catches the ball often enough that he has to be in there to attract a safety’s attention.
However, we should count our blessings:
1) Our first real long-term starting first-rate QB since Marino. Apologies to Chad P and Jay F, but if Chad H had one top-notch receiver, we’d be 6-2 right now.
2) Two top young CB’s — considering the amount of time Brady had back there, it’s amazing how little the Pat’s scored.
3) A fully functional offensive line, including an excellent LT—maybe not all-pro, but close enough.
4) Top RB in Ronnie Brown.
5) Perhaps most of all, an excellent team attitude (For contrast, look up under: JETS, NEW YORK)
We’re one reciever, one LB, and one safety short of a serious SB contending team.
by Joel West on Nov 9, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I wrote this in my own post that did not get many response. Ginn needs to be on the field more often. Yes him out there means another WR who possibly can catch the ball better is not, but as Matty pointed out Bess, and Hartline, and Fasano dropped balls yesterday.
Ginn on the field always will have attention deep, becasue as a Def Coordinator you do not take the chance of him burning you for a big one because he may drop the ball. You have to cover him, and it opens the running lanes!
Another Note Henne’s 19 out of 31 ( I think) would be much better if WR can catch.
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by k2oconnor on Nov 9, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
19-36
But there were at least 3 drops that I remember so that should have been 22-36. I really don’t think Henne was to blame at all for that loss. I place it on the Defense, and the OC with not great playcalling. With the exception of the opening drive of the 3rd qtr (which really had the Pats off balance) I don’t think Henning call a good game at all. How do you not at least take 2 shots a game with Ginn’s speed?? That at least forces the safety to play honest!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed as well
that’s the poin I was trying to drill home when everyone wanted the Dolphins to cut Ginn and I made a post that was semi-defending him. They don’t have any other receiver who can stretch the field.
by Matty I on Nov 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Conspiracy theory annyone?
Perhap’s this was a showing for all those “Ginn” hater’s that regardless of what we think, The deep threat help’s in opening up the lanes and Ginn has the leg’s and skill set’s to suck that defender out there.
by Ex Sniper on Nov 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Division Race Question
Can the Dolphins win their Division if they go 9-7 with 5-1 in the division and the pats go 12-4 with 4-2 in the Division?
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by k2oconnor on Nov 9, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
no. miami would need to be 11-5 with NE being 11-5 or NY being 11-5
we have to have the same record in order for the “tie breaker” to take affect. but going 5-1 would be pretty awesome either way :)
by Tison M on Nov 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought of it before but that sucks
In college it depends on the conference, would love to win it over the Pats with a worse overall record.
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by k2oconnor on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look, it's not like the problems with LB and WR are new
While I tend to like the direction that the franchise is going in and I have agreed with a lot of what the FO has done, I stll go back to the draft in April and see it as a wasted opportunity. There were opportunities to address both the LB and WR position early in the draft.
I like Vontae Davis. I think he is going to be a serviceable CB, but that is it. He isn’t a “lock down” CB. If the FO had faith that Sean Smith was going to be there in the late 2nd round, why double up on CB in the 1st? Knowing that your pass rushing OLB’s are getting old, shouldn’t you have taken an OLB in the 1st round with a position that was very deep in the draft? This to me is a chicken or egg arguement. Does a pass rush make CB’s better or do great CB’s make the pass rush? Too me, give me the pass rush.
Like it or not, the current NFL is a passing dominated league. Look at the top teams in the NFL right now and all of them have a dynamic passing game with big time play makers at WR. Again, this is an area where the FO has failed to supply a talented WR too a potential fanchise QB in Henne. Either through the draft, free agency, or trades there have been opportunities to address this issue. Wouldn’t Braylon Edwards look good in a phins uniform? For what the Jets gave up, it should have been a no brainer.
I realize that the Phins were god awful when Parcells came to town. I also realize that over two years it is next to impossible to address all of the holes that needed filled. But what I do question is the priority of the holes that they have chosen to fill first. In two drafts, this FO has yet to pick a LB of substance. LB’s make 3-4 defenses work, not DE’s or CB’s. Pressuring the QB is the single most important aspect of defense and not getting an OLB that can rush the passer, when it is an obvious need, and in a deep draft is mind boggling to me.
In a passing league dominated by big time WR’s, this FO has relied on reaches in the draft (Turner), a less than dominate athlete / ST player (Hartline), and an undrafted FA (Bess). Simply put, that is not good enough. Especially when you should want a dynamic pass catching WR to grow with your young franchise QB.
by ct1361 on Nov 9, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hear alot of this 'Where still rebuilding' Argument
but how many of us truly believe that? How many of us are ever listening to that and just having it go through one ear and out the other?
Suppose that we had done it he other way around as you (and some others) have suggested, the discussion we would then be having is the glaring need in CB’s and DE’s.
now suppose that the FO had shelled out what is needed to be shelled out to have a top notch receiver in the NFL, what would be the consequences in that? less cap space (or perhaps not enough cap space to bring them any way?) a roster spot loss for some one who would perhaps stick around for 4-5 years as opposed to 10? Maybe money and space lost because said ‘Lock’ receiver wasn’t able to turn it around with this team.
The point of it all is in the long run and major scheme of thing’s – DOES IT REALLY MATTER -?
If and only If we are legitimately no longer deemed a Rebuilding team does it truly matter, until then does the selection in process truly hinder what is going on/ what is going to happen for years to come?
That answer is arguably ‘No’, it does matter in WHO you pick in the draft but with so many holes to address and compensate for, it really doesn’t matter WHAT holes are filled as long as they are filled by people who will provide a Decades worth of excellent elite caliber football for years to come e.g. JT, ZT, Dan Marino and a slew of countless other franchise drafted players.
So the Question i ask you Phinatics….Do you really believe we are still rebuilding?
by Ex Sniper on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, rebuilding is B.S
Its a term Fans and the Media throw around so people feel better with under .500 records. As a coach you do not say to you players, well its a rebuilding year, I do not expect to win, but lets go out and try our hardest. Players hearing that are going to not be as determined or fired up to win. And as a player who wants to play a whole season of football, to wait for the next to be contenders?
There are holes to fill, you can not possibly fill all of them in one off season, you do the best you can, and continue to fill them as you go on and you fill the biggest ones first. The FO probably felt they could get by better with the WR and OLB situation than they could with the secondary holes, and thats the direction they went.
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by k2oconnor on Nov 9, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I firmly believe we're rebuilding
The Trifecta has done a good job of drafting players to satisfy our positional needs while using current players (like Jason Taylor, Akin Ayodele, Etc.) to “stop the bleeding” while the FO continues to build. Does anyone here really think we’re going to win a Super Bowl with Joey Porter as our 3-4 elephant? I don’t. But he (until lately) has been serviceable at that position, allowing us to eschew OLB position in order to tend to other needs (drafting two corners in the first two rounds this year, for example).
A regime’s third draft is typically when they cement their squad, so expect the Dolphins to upgrade the ILB and WR positions in April. I also think it’s possible Miami will try to package Ted Ginn with someone and make a trade for more picks. Patrick Turner could be seeing playing time soon, and I think the Trifecta would to pair a big, red zone target like him with a #1 receiver (possibly someone like Dez Bryant or Damian Willams).
This team is so young right now, it’s ridiculous. I know it’s hard to stay patient but I see some great things ahead for us (like multiple Super Bowl victories).
Rolando McClain in 2010!
by kmb8488 on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we are rebuilding
we are always rebuilding. you always have to rebuild, work to the future. you never stop rebuilding. ever
by Tison M on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Ginn would be good to let go
He is a home run threat if he can catch the ball, and if he understands his role as a #2 or #3 WR he focuses more on KR and PR and thats a very big position.
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by k2oconnor on Nov 9, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He caught the bomb from Henne vs the Jets
They should be running him deep and throw at least 2-3 passes like that every game, especially after a couple successful plays of running the R&R express out of the base formations. Capitalize on the play action….tell Henne either to put it out there and let Ginn run under it. Worst case scenario is it’s equal to a deep punt!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if multiple Super Bowl victories is right
But I see, injuries withstanding, that after the draft and free agency next year that we are incredibly competitive for the next 5-10 years. We are extremely young and we are rebuilding regardless of what we (the fans) want to think. The foundation of our team is in place and now we need to tweak certain areas. If it was easy to go from worst to first, everyone would do it year in and year out. It’s not so lets be patient.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with the rebuilding statement. It is an excuse.
My arguement with the FO is with the priorities. IMO, the most important position on defense, especially in a 3-4, is LB. In two drafts and two off seasons, the phins FO has failed to address that position in any significant way. Trading for Adoyele, re-signing an old Taylor, throwing unwarranted money at Crowder, and signing a player out of Canada does not get the job done. If you look at the top defenses in the league, how many LB’s on the phins start for those teams? Based on this year’s performance, I would say few if any.
On offense, if you take QB out of the equation, you can make an arguement that the most important position to fill is a dynamic WR. All great offensive teams have at least one right now. Those teams might be adequate at OL and RB, but they have dynamic pass catchers on the outside. Again, in two drafts and two off seasons, the phins FO has failed to address that position in any significant way. If you believe that this is a passing dominated league then why haven’t they addressed it?
by ct1361 on Nov 9, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
You need an OL to proctect the QB to throw to any WR. And I believe the Fins want to focus on the Run so WR, a big priority yes, takes a back seat to fill other big priorities.
Joey Porter starts on any other team in the league as does Channing Crowder. Jason Taylor would get significant playing time and Ayodel was starting in Dallas. Agreed and upgrade at the position is needed, but who would you like them to pick up in the draft with the way the picks went at OLB or WR?
CB was a big need too, and the band aids they put at WR and OLB were better than the ones they would have at CB
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by k2oconnor on Nov 9, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
each draft is different, you don't just say i am going to draft for this need. You need to look at
each class and see how it fits with your plan. It bugs me when people just say, go draft next year the player I think they need. Trifecta have much more experience and research than we do. You look at the draft in wave and what groups are sacked with players. It is what baltimore, philly, pitts, and pats do. Just because it is a need that you want you want doesn’t mean that it fits in their plan.
by nmphinfan on Nov 9, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about blindly expecting to fill a "need"
We have a weakness at ILB, and either Rolando McClain or Brandon Spikes would be a significant upgrade for us right now. We also need a #1 receiver, and there’s a few guys in this draft who can help us with that, too.
I think the term “rebuild” is getting confused a bit here. For us, “rebuild” isn’t a euphemism for sucking or accepting mediocrity. We’re two years removed from having one of the oldest defenses in the league and a superbly shitty offensive line. I will agree that the linebacker position hasn’t received the attention that our offensive/defensive lines have, but I think that will change this offseason. You can look at it like this:
2008: Long and Thomas (O Line). Langford and Merling (D Line)
2009: Davis and Smith (CB)
2010: Linebackers? Possibly a receiver?
Rolando McClain in 2010!
by kmb8488 on Nov 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Superbly shitty
Can I put in copyright on that term….I LOVE IT!
Superbly SHITTY!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're very wrong...
If you see Vontae Davis as a rookie making a rediculous interception on one of the most dominating wr’s in the nfl, one single coverage on a perfectly thrown ball from tom brady, i’m sorry but he definitely can and hopefully will be an elite corner, not to mention that he hits like a linebacker. I was one of the first people to question this move, but i will defend vontae that as a rookie and being thrown in against one of the top offenses he did a great job, and he will only get better. I love what the FO did by getting those two, who says next years draft or a draft in two years will have cornerbacks available?
Give the o-line more years to work together and once henning sees production from his wr’s he’ll start taking more chances, until he is sticking to our strong point which is the running game. We are rebuilding but we’ve been doing it so well that we became competitive in the midst of it and you all forget about it. It takes years to groom and develop players, think of how many of our top players on this team are below the age of 30. The FO knows what they are doing and have said it from the beginning its a three year process. Last year the steelers had a great D and run first offense and i believe they won the super bowl…as did the giants before them…if you notice these teams with great passing offense also have pretty good defenses…i don’t consider New England a top team, and unless you have Peyton who is arguably the best QB ever…its still a league that can be won by a TOP DEFENSE like the past two SB Champs had
by tonyy on Nov 9, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How am I wrong Tonyy
I commented on Superbly Shitty, not Vontae. I love the play of Vontae and think he should be matched up with the top WR every game. Hey I just found out that he is the younger brother of Vernon Davis. Very athletic family!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vontae's a winner. I love what he and Sean Smith are doing
Considering they are rookies, I’ve been extremely impressed with both their play and demeanor on the field.
Rolando McClain in 2010!
by kmb8488 on Nov 9, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Both are going to be very dominant for a long time to come
Injuries withstanding!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its a passing league
Its a passing league, and yes a good pass rush can really make a QB uncomfortable, and make them throw off timing, but Its a Passing League, and you need CB’s to cover the WR. With out Davis, (who if you saw the game, is going to be a very good CB) and Smith the Fins are left with Will Allen, Nate Jones, Eric Green and Jason Allen. Will Allen goes down, then what. You are even more thin at CB to cover the WR, in this Passing League.
Clay Matthews was the only pass rushing OLB left spending a 1st rnd pick on, and there were doubts on him being a one year USC starter, so Davis and Smith good picks.
Now granted the Fins could have gone WR instead of Pat White, but Parcelles has always taken Best Player available and guess thats where he turned. Guess they could have traded or spent money on a WR in FA or Trade.
Now in this Pass Happy League, you need a QB that can throw a lot, at the time Penny was a QB you can rely on to do that, and the Fins relied heavily on the ground game. And even if this Pass Happy League was to be part of the Dolphins game plan, they need an O-Line to protect the QB and open run lanes. This is where the money has gone in FA
I agree Fins need a true WR, a player like Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Vincent Jackson, and if they do not address this in the next off season then theres a problem. But you can’t be angry that the Fins went CB in the first two rounds, instead of WR, OLB, b/c instead of being upset about not having them now you would be complainig they didn’t address the CB/ secondary problem last off season.
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by k2oconnor on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh... I'm at work its hard to do it fast when they keep walking by
but we have some different but good points to say the least
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by k2oconnor on Nov 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
the main objective is that there are holes to be filled and we are filling them as we see fit, until every position is to a point where we can say “everything is a luxury pick from here on out” we can’t argue with the choices. they are being addressed and they are being filled but it takes a while to remake an entire team that has had as many holes in the line up as the phinz do.
Does anyone honestly believe that Ireland, the Tuna, and Sparano are just going “Eh where fine, there’s no issues to deal with”. Everything is being addressed and everything will be addressed…In Time.
by Ex Sniper on Nov 9, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even in a win I have the a problem with
The offensive play calling, I just dont understand the Phins choices at times. They clearly dont play to win for at least 3 qtrs. They are happy getting into field goal range.
Soon as the offense gets into a rhythm, here comes a package that clearly isnt working. We run when we need a pass and pass when we should be running.
Bess and Fasano can both have a seat next to Ginn. The WR with consistant hands cant get open and the ones who can get open dont have consistant hands. I say Let Ginn play or dont fault him when he gets his first rep 2 min left in the 4th qtr.
As much that is missing on O and D, I think we could have a lot better record with better play calling.
by okokokaay on Nov 9, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree with almost everything
I don’t have a problem with the occassion play call that calls for running when it’s a passing down and passing when it’s a running down because that keeps the defense guessing. But I have problems with the play calling as it pertains to the calls for the running and passing game. What I mean by that is the passes that they are calling on passing downs leave a lot to be desired. Did we have a ball that was thrown over 12 years past the LOS? And why have we abandoned the traditional running game all together? The reason why the wildcat was successful at the beginning of the year was that we were able to run the ball very well from our base formations which makes it even easier to run out of the wildcat. But we have really stopped trying to run Ronnie from the base package. I am left scratching my head after each of the last 3-4 games.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a good game but hard loss
Matty great post.
“With that said, I HATED the quick screen to Davone Bess on a 3rd & 19. At least take a shot deep. In fact, why didn’t we see at least one deep pass attempted during the game?”
I agree on the 3rd & 19 call, should have called a different play. I think they didn’t go deep b/c of to much pressure up front. But I agree they have to take shots down field more often. This would also help to get 8 out of the box.
Boston Dolphins Fan
by miami25 on Nov 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And why aren't we running more screen passes to Ricky
The guy has been killing people all year with that, but we didn’t run one single RB screen pass. And no, we didn’t throw one deep pass the whole game. That’s not good when you have a WR with the wheels that Ginn has and a QB with the arm strength that Henne has.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the patriot's blitzes weren't too shabby ya know
by metalhead86 on Nov 9, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep....
Would have been the perfect time to call it. Kills me when I see the Eagles and the Patriots utilize the screen game so well…and I see the tools we have and we don’t even use it to slow the rush down.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I agree with Joey to a degree
Lack of pass rush would be because of more bad play calling we ran 3 and four guys at him most the game but at the end of the day the Pats whoo scored 100+ points in 2 games had 4 FGs and 2 TDs, if we had anything resembling an offense or didnt give them the ball at the 40yd line every kick we’d might have a diff outcome.
I still say we are always getting out coached. to many WTF’s watching the Phins
by okokokaay on Nov 9, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clocked gamed on the previous play
The clock gaming was not on the Moss completion; that was legitimate. However, while I was checking on that, I notices that it was actually on the previously play, with the clock stopped at :23, that the Pats were given about 2 extra seconds after the ball was snapped. Of course, this just meant that Brady would probably have spiked it and they would have kicked the FG anyway, but it’s annoying nonetheless.
by Joel West on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
if henne gets a big time WR next year he could be a top 5 qb
by radzyfsu on Nov 9, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This team will explode (in a good way, upwards)
The second it develops and can execute a two-minute drill.
Keep the faith!
by Marima on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
in a 2 minute drill there has to be someone, ANYONE, who can catch the ball!!! the last two games ended with missed opportunities due to drpped, catchable passes!!!
by tdecker on Nov 9, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
For now, Ginn has to be in the game. Send him on a streak route and throw it deep. this will back the safeties up, and open up the running game. When the safeties start to creep closer to the LOS, do it again.
by tdecker on Nov 9, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty darn good summary Matty...
I think we generally hung in very tough but were eventually outmanned a bit.
Nobody in their right mind would ideally start two rookie corners against the best receiving duo in the league. What choice did we have though? I’ll take Davis & Smith over Jason Allen any day.
The only thing is if you are going to send out rookie corners against the likes of randy moss then one of two things has to happen:
1 – you get big time pressure on the QB by sending extra rushers
2 – you protect your corners with plenty of help and against NE that means you double Moss, not Wes as he’s more of an underneath guy.
Except we did neither – we didn’t get to Brady but then we also didn’t double and protect against Moss. Oh and giving up 4-1/2 ypc to NE AND letting Brady have tons of time to throw is a bad combo which almost always hands you a big L.
Offense was, again, sputtering. I mean 17 points is going to make it hard for any team to beat NE unless they get big plays on ST or defense, and we got neither today.
The receivers are pure 2nd & 3rd tier material. Hartline dropped a pass and while he’s not a top 10 pick (ala Ted GInn), you have to make those kinds of plays as a starting receiver in this league – regardless of whether you were a top 5 pick or a 7th rounder. Ted Ginn, receiver mode, was well, Ted Ginn – a drop (as expected) and a mostly invisible game (3 targets).
How about Pat White eh? A little excitement from him but not nearly enough overall on offense.
Let’s hope for revenge in Miami or the division title is totally lost…
by Natalya on Nov 9, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I do have to say
that when Jason Allen was forced into the game he played quite well. I dont think that he had played to that level before in his career. I think they should have stuck him on Welker as Nate just wasnt able to guard him. How many friggin under-routes was Welker wide-open on to convert on 3rd down…..it was too many to count!!
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by Dragon27az on Nov 9, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really even have a true # 2 reciever?
In my mind Ginn is a #3 reciever obviously better suited for special teams. Bess is great but I also consider most slot recievers the 3rd. Welker would be the exception in my theory. Finally we have G.C. Who I absolutely love. He is the only sure handed clutch catcher we have and if I had to give any of them a true #2 title it would be him. Hartline has been good and I see a young G.C. In him. I know I’m the outcast as far as Turner goes, but I think there’s a reason we haven’t seen him. To be perfectly honest Im not curious enough to bench our current guys to “see what he can do.” Here is my ideal situation for 2010… Someone like Vincent Jackson at #1. Hartline splitting time with Camarillo and eventually taking those reigns as the #2. Bess in the slot and Ginn would be our special teams ace/#4. Turner? I hope the best for him but he is a mystery to me.
by la Roc on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i never hear mention of the uncomfortable situations we put henne in!!!
hey buddy….we screwed up some wildcat plays (again) why dont you come in here and convert this 3rd and 9 for us real quick. GARBAGE! how is our young QB supposed to get in a rythm? lately with the wildcat running woes henne is constantly taken off the field or at wr and then asked to convert 3rd and longs. I would rather see our stong arm QB in there than a dumb Pat White run. News Flash! College plays wont win us the super bowl!!!!
by CaliPhinsFan on Nov 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the biggest problem I have with the pat white combo is it isnt his time yet
I think he’ll fill a need when we lose Ricky Williams, but as it is our backs are so good right now it is kind of a waste to not give them the ball or let Henne handle it.
by metalhead86 on Nov 9, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Showing that wrinkle....
Now means that the other defenses will have to start practicing for it….which eases the pressure of the other packages. It means that’s less defensive time allocated for Henne under center, less time when Ronnie is taking the snaps, and even Ricky (though I am not a fan of that wrinkle). With that being said, the more a defense has to prepare for, the easier it is to find a weakness in the other areas because they had to give up time from one area or another.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is porter still playing?
He has done crap all year! and running his mouth without producing is making him look like a jackass and the rest of us as well.
really the pass rush wasn’t the problem? really? is he our version of Rex Ryan? hmm
Bench him, start Wake and put JT on the WS where he belongs
Pass Rush does better that way (i.e. Buffalo game)
WRs… ugh its like beating a dead horse. i say hold public floggings of them until they produce lol
D-line was great, liked our corners but still need work, O-line would produce better if they dont stack the box (WRs….), Wild Cat is starting to fade but has sparks of greatness, Henne could be the real deal, TEs needa bit more work but I see a better future for them
Do our recievers exist? Ginn crawls out the hole, Bess is stumbling but hope is not lost.
Gibril i like you and imma let you finish the season but, Ed Reed is the best safety of all time, of all time!!
by dolfan0918 on Nov 9, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Meh
We’re done for the year. We may come in second within the division should the Jets continue to fall to teams as bad as we are.
-blah
by billy 13 on Nov 9, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone want to point out the horrible coaching?? We decide to run the double reverse pass out of the wildcat for a 10 yard loss when we were at mid-field while the drive had been succsessful up to that point , i mean are u kidding me???? i now we have seen this play work but down by seven to the patriots when we were driving thats what we come up . And the time has come to get wake in there porter has done nothing all year he was going up against a rookie for godsake
by BOZ125 on Nov 9, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hindsight is 20/20
if that play works, then the coaches are brilliant. but it didn’t, so now they are idiots.
by Matty I on Nov 9, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't like the double reverse call either
But if it worked we would have been praising Henning for a great call. It’s a catch 22
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 9, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
persevere!
sorry, an unsexy word, but its the basic need! keep the paddle on ginn’s butt, but give him time, stick with the dude, keep practicing his ass off. put him in games. get the fins a true no. 1 receiver — and ginn turns terribly deadly as a no. 2., with henne’s arm, and with henne pocket time. the two will be awesome. i think the players see it.
we are always rebuilding, absolutely right, imo. we HAVE rebuilt! it just isn’t quite there yet, but as this matty post offers, we are getting there. love the white manuevers. think the fins are in new territory, and need to keep working the problem. keep a wildcat package, balance it with other formations, with white. i think we are getting better. it just isn’t happening like a machine. it isn’t a machine. it is a team! go fins.
by a1a on Nov 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We could have been 6-2..heres how
We would have showed up for the final 20 minutes of the saints game..
We would have stopped Peyton with 3 minutes left
We would have stopped The patriots yesterday in the final 20 minutes.
6-2…relax guys..we got a good team if we were in the nfc west we’d be 6-2
by Wallace758 on Nov 9, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everyone Needs to Jump off the Pessimistic band Wagon
I’m reading more and more points of we should’ve done this or why didnt we do that…please remind yourselves that belicheck had 2 weeks to prepare for us, that is like giving Peyton 10 seconds to throw the ball…We have a legit team, please show me another team that was 1-15 two years ago, lost the mvp runner up this year and is still almost beating the top teams in the NFL (NO, IND)…we have so much talent that has yet to be developed. Yes, henning made some bad calls but some of these same plays also resulted in td’s at other points of the season. I’ve been a dolphin fan since the first time I watched an NFL game, and would you rather be the jets and be mediocre year after year by overpaying for past their prime FA, or build through a draft and develop young players and be atop of the league for multiple years like Pitt and Dallas and NE…all products or sub-prodcuts of Parcells (belliceck sub product)…
On Another note, i do feel its time for Porter and Wilson to go after the season, let taylor back at his old spot, have wake and Roth in their and hopefully draft or sign someone to replace Taylor when his time is up…Clemons in for Wilson, and we need a back up for Ferg and an ILB with of course a WR. I also think Fasano’s lack of production like TS said was due to him blocking a lot and possibly safety’s focusing on him more knowing our wr’s don’t demand any double coverage but I like him for the future. Remember last year what he did in KC and NY to win those games.
Just a thought, maybe our wr’s need time to get used to Henne’s cannon as opposed to Pennington’s soft throws. Not an excuse but just gets you thinking?
by tonyy on Nov 9, 2009 4:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
close only counts in horseshoes and habd gernades
by defuivxx on Nov 9, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why Roth? he has been a no show since training camp. If he got hurt that severe in offseason what are his chances in a game
by defuivxx on Nov 9, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah you have to worry about those habd gernades
They are almost as deadly as hand grenades!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In other news, my 4-4 Jaguars play the 4-4 Jets
Let the fun begin.
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by TheTealDeal on Nov 9, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Teal I will be pulling for the Jags brother
I hope that the pocket Hercules runs over the Jets all game long!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Run it constantly
MJD will kill their rush D, but don’t let Garrard throw it or any stupid garbage like that.
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by Farorefox on Nov 10, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We all know what the dolphins are going to do. They will wait til their runningbacks are retired then pick up some WRs so we have a passing game and no running game. then when Henne rips an acl or achilles then we will get a RB and throw away the passing game. They been doing it for decade. Dolphin’s have been half a football team since the mid 80’s
by defuivxx on Nov 9, 2009 6:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the having a defense when we had no offense
And having an offense when we had no defense!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
close only counts in horseshoes and hand gernades. besides NE was missing half of their team to injuries
by defuivxx on Nov 9, 2009 6:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's hand grenades...not ger-nades
Marines hate when you misspell explosives!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Matty!
Do I get props for calling this one:
ASIDE from the fact that it is THIS game that Sparano and Co. have been grooming Pat White and the SECRET spread offense for…
Of course, I was horribly wrong to think that we would get pressure on Brady. =)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 9, 2009 6:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BTW, I don't agree that our secondary played poorly
i thought the secondary played exceptionally well, considering that there was no pressure on Brady. You give Brady all day in the pocket, throwing to the receivers he has, and a bad secondary would give up twice as many points (see Tenn. game).
No, i think our CBs did a good job this week, and i consider that one of the bright spots on the team.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 9, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with LeftCoast on this
You take away a wicked one hand catch (that involved a bad pushoff that didn’t get called) and a great stiff arm by Moss on Davis on a medium drag route and we played very well against the pass. I felt we challenged the WRs for the most part and didn’t really see anyone getting wide open on a regular basis. That’s a huge improvement in my opinion.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
History
I think that everyone is getting carried away with this, every year or just about every year we tend to split the games with the Pats, we have a good remaining schedule and if we can win out or come close to winning out it could be like last year with us having the tie breaker over the Pats yet again due to our better conference record now wouldn’t that be something, the Pats get bucked out of the playoffs 2 years in a row!!! LETS GO PHINS!!!!
by hollywood_89 on Nov 9, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i hear ya, but for me it's about
playing well, but not good enough to win. it isn’t so much about losing a specific game, or being out of the playoffs. I am disappointed that we are so close to these good teams, but the defense keeps finding a way to lose it.
I had really been expecting our defense to be the strength of the team, but so far, they are the ones losing games for us.
We badly need a NT, a MLB and a FS. I think that would go a long way towards helping this team win.
And yes, I know we need a WR or 2 (or 3). but I think if our D had not let us down, we could (would?) have won at least 3 more games this year.
So, unless we find a way to fix the D, this season is not going to get much better.
Maybe it’s time to try something else. Fergi is good inside, but maybe we can start spelling him with Starks at Nose, with McDaniel and Langford at Ends. Soliai doesn’t seem to be able to get consistent push up the middle.
Everytime Fergi is out, our run D suffers and pass rush suffers.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Nov 9, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not a beggar or a chooser
I will take the wins….they don’t have to be pretty. We can win ugly and slowly improve, I am cool with that. Now if the dolphins want to start beating teams like they did the Bills, I am completely ok with that. It will probably increase my overall lifespan by a couple years.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 10, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A few comments....
Completely agree about our pass rush. It’s non-existant. It’s time for Porter to take a seat and let Wake take over pass rush situations.
I’m not a fan at all of the option play Henning keeps trying to run. This isn’t college Dan Henning, so stop coaching like it is. You make the case of 8 plays for 60 yards. But considering two of those plays, of the first three they ran, went for about 50 of those yards. That means the next 5 went for only 10 yards. Another example of Henning continuing to run something into the ground based on it working one or two times. There’s a reason teams don’t run the option in the NFL.
Our receivers are a huge liability for us, and the reason is because hardly any of them have shown any skills this year at gaining yards after the catch. Hartline looks to be the only one.
Single coverage on Moss only means one thing. You’re going to get burned. Don’t get me wrong, I think Vontae Davis is one hell of a rookie, and will be very good with a little more experience. But matched up against Randy Moss, you have to give him over the top safety help. 4 and 5 WR sets are no excuse for not having a safety over the top. If you’re going to give up the man-to-man coverage giev it up to Welker, or a third or fourth stringer. Not the best WR in the game. Sure Vontae played that deep pass as best as he could, but with a safety over the top, that play doesn’t happen. As for the crossing pattern, it wouldn’t have helped for the catch itself, but at least we would have had someone else to try and make the tackle after Vontae missed.
I’d also like to add that our center and guards are doing an absolute horrible job opening holes up the middle for the run game. I can’t even remember the last game we were able to run the ball up the middle with any success? The Colts game???
by luvs2drnk on Nov 10, 2009 3:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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