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Dolphins in the red zone: Week 8

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On Sunday, both red zone offense and red zone defense were critical for the Dolphins.  Offensively, the Dolphins were only in the red zone one time - a sad commentary on who ineffective they were on offense, of course.  But nonetheless, the Dolphins converted on the one time they made it down there, and that was simply huge.

The Jets had just scored to cut Miami's lead to 24-19 late in the third quarter.  But the Dolphins answered with a critical 13 play drive that ate up nearly eight minutes.  On that drive, they converted three crucial third downs.  Then once they got inside the 20, the Dolphins relied on a tough 7 yard run by Ricky Williams and a defensive holding penalty to get down to the 5 yard line.  That's when Chad Henne faked the hand off to Ronnie Brown, rolled out right, and threw an accurate pass on the run with a defender closing in to Joey Haynos for the touchdown.  And give credit to Haynos, who did an excellent job of selling his "block" just enough to keep the defender honest and a step behind when he broke right for his pattern.  Maybe it's just me, but I want to see more of Haynos in the coming weeks.

With their one red zone conversions, the Dolphins are now scoring touchdowns on 63% of their red zone trips - a solid ratio for sure.

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Defensively, the Dolphins stood their ground when they absolutely had to.  There were two trips into the red zone in which Miami's defense held the Jets.  The first time, which I don't think has gotten enough attention, was early in the second quarter with the score tied at zero.  The Jets had made their way down to Miami's 9 yard line and had it first and and goal.  On first down, using that "heavy formation" with 7 or 8 offensive linemen, Thomas Jones carried it for four yards, with Gibril Wilson - who actually looked decent on Sunday - making the stop.  But the key play was made two plays later, on third down from the five, when Sean Smith did an excellent job of reading the route by Jerricho Cotechery and cutting in front of the receiver.  He couldn't haul in the pass when he undercut the receiver, but he did still break up the pass and prevent the Jets from taking a 7-0 lead.  The Jets settled for the field goal on the next play.

Then, of course, we had the "red zone stand of the season" - at least up to this point - late in the fourth quarter.  We don't need to rehash everything because we all know what happened.  But I just can't say enough about both the coverage in the secondary and the play of Randy Starks.  The much maligned secondary stood up and made two key plays.  On second down, they did a great job of blanketing the receivers, forcing Mark Sanchez to scramble for just a yard.  Who made the stop?  Randy Starks of course.  The next play was Randy's big sack of Sanchez, forcing NY back to the 15 yard line on fourth down.  Again, the secondary stepped up and gave Mark nowhere to go with the ball.

Sure, the defense struggled all second half.  But they made the plays that they absolutely had to have - which is a great sign.

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The first RZ on defense

was very huge!!! I watched the game again last night on Replay on NFL Network and definitely remember seeing that play again and saying to myself, “if he picks that pass, he is scoring a TD.”

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by hammy1016 on Nov 5, 2009 1:24 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

That was so close to being a pick-6. Would have been huge and might have changed the whole feel of the game….especially after the horrible game Sanchez had against Buffalo.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

he also threw a ball right to Akin

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by Patssuck456 on Nov 5, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

that ball

was thrown pretty low and it also went by a Jets player before he even had a shot. I think he might of been surprised by the player not catching it and how quickly that ball came up on him.

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by hammy1016 on Nov 5, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

They are going to need more of

those defensive stops this coming Sunday because Brady sure is no rookie…although we have JT back, and we all know how much Mr. Tom hates JT ; ).

by Maguss on Nov 5, 2009 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

As long as we keep the pressure on Brady

And get physical with Moss on the line of scrimage, we will be good. That and we need to stay out of 3rd and long and don’t settle for FGs.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

let turner play and give him a fade route

Can't wait untill Sean Smith puts Randy Moss on his ass lol, Co-Vice President of the official Matty I fan club.

by jojo phin fan on Nov 5, 2009 3:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Has Turner played yet this year?

I don’t remember him playing in a single game yet.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Turner played preseason but hasnt been activated during season, Heck Sparano is giving al the rookies chances to play even pat white, Y not Turner? the way our WR are playing we should demote someone juss for one week.

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by B1G SaMoAn TuNa on Nov 5, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I know, right?...

… he can’t seem to break the starting line-up…

… does anyone have info on this situation?… has anyone seen the practices and make a comment as to what’s happening with this guy and the coaching staff?

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by Alpha6 on Nov 5, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Turner

is still very raw as a WR. Guy had great hands in mini-camp and all, but then virtually disappeared in the preseason games. Has trouble running crisp routes and creating sepparation, despite his huge frame. That being said, I am all for getting him into a game to see what he can really do. I know that Haynos is starting to come around, but I would like to see if Turner could even get a rep or two at TE. Fasano continues to dissapoint this year, and Turner is a big strong guy. Either way, I think we need to find out what we really have on this roster as that position will definitely need to be addressed in the offseason.

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by Dragon27az on Nov 5, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

definitely need to know

Do we have potential talent that we can rely on next year or do we need to take another swing in the draft. Turner seems like he has the tools but we just don’t have a clue. Hopefully we will get a glance at some point this season.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 6, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Even if it is just to give him a shot and see how he does. Some guys are much better in games than in practice. Makes you wonder what’s going on behind the scenes. Not like we are getting great production out of any of our WRs

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The second set of downs during the final drive shouldn't have even happened.

That duffer wasn’t paying attention. If he was, he would have picked the ball, not let it get completed, and draw the P.I. flag. Whoever it was reminded me of Will Allen.

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by Farorefox on Nov 5, 2009 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

They've been trying to give the ball to Haynos more.

They even had his ass lined up as a receiver and tried throwing him a fade route type pass either last week or the previous one. I’m really concerned with how Dan Henning is using what we got. I realize it’s not much, but it’s not as bad as we have displayed the past 6 quarters. I agree with jojo, it’s time to get Turner in there and see what he can do. We might as well find out sooner rather than later if we need to draft another big body receiver next year. What’s the worst that could happen? He drops some passes? Our receivers are already doing that.

by luvs2drnk on Nov 5, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

I definitely don't like Henning's play calling

He has gotten away from the things that worked most of the first 6 games. We don’t have the talent offensively to do what he is trying to do. We need to stay basic, run the ball, take advantage of our slot receivers with the short passes and then take our shots downfield with Teddy Ginn off of the play action

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do you think he's outta Carolina.

People were mortified by his uber-conservative play-calling.

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by Farorefox on Nov 5, 2009 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Didn't really follow him there

I didn’t think he was bad the first 5-6 games. I am a firm believer in play calling to your strengths and to your players instead of trying to shove your players into a system that they don’t compliment.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

He has not called a good game yet this season.

When we want him to be conservative, he gets aggressive. When we want him to get aggressive, he gets conservative. When we should be throwing, we’re running. When we should be running, we’re throwing. When teams blitz, we run deep routes. When something doesn’t work, he keeps trying it hoping it will magically start working. I’m not going to even go into how he’s misusing Pat White.

by luvs2drnk on Nov 5, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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by Patssuck456 on Nov 5, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

The early games weren't nearly as bad as the last two games

The play calling against the jets was horrible. The play calling in the second half against the Saints was just plain mind boggling. Sparano needs to really talk to that guy, he can’t think he is doing a good job.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The early games, such as the Colts game.

Were a perfect example of times when we wanted him to be more aggressive, and he played conservative settling for FGs. But I seriously believe a change has to be made at OC, and I wouldn’t put it past Parcells to make that change next offseason.

by luvs2drnk on Nov 5, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I know....the colts game calling killed me!

And then against the Saints in the second half he started trying to throw the ball instead of going to the punishing ground game that churned out over 120 yards in the first half. So what did that do….incomplete passes (many drops so if the receivers would have caught them who knows what might have happened) that stopped the clock and gave the Saints more possessions and allowed them to come back and score 22 points in the 4th qtr.

I hope Henning finds his ass with both his hands and a spot light (he can borrow my flashlight if he thinks it might help) but I really think that there needs to be a change.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 6, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I was looking at how our receivers started dropping balls all of a sudden

when last year they were very sure handed, including Ginn and Bess. Then I thought, is it them or does it have something to do with Henne? What do you think ?

by MauMontaV5 on Nov 5, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

It shouldn't matter who's throwing the ball, or how fast it's being thrown at them.

You’re an NFL receiver. They have machines that can chuck a ball at you 80 mph. If the ball hits you in the palm of your hands, there’s absolutely no excuse to drop it.

by luvs2drnk on Nov 5, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Well

Henne has a cannon, but still tends to throw some wobblers in the shorter routes. While CP10 couldnt throw the long ones, his short passes were usually very crisp in spiral. Maybe they are still just adjusting to it a little bit….maybe a bit of a sophmore slump for Bess? Either way I still love Bess despite the last few games. He will be a stud in years to come, and we obviously know the guy can catch and isnt afraid to get hit.

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by Dragon27az on Nov 5, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone is entitled to a bad game

And that was the first one I remember Bess having so I am ok with that. However, the drops are more than just Bess or Ginn….it’s like it’s contagious and that needs to stop. The receivers need to make the plays game in and game out. Henne has been on the team for a year and half. You can’t tell me that he hasn’t worked with the WRs in the past season (I know that the starter gets 80% of the reps…but that still leaves 20%) and for the 4-5 weeks so far this season. I don’t buy that it takes that much of an adjustment (especially with both QBs being right handed….I hear it is drastically different learning to catch passes from a lefty due to the spin/rotation)

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 6, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Well Henne does throw a harder ball

Much harder than CP10, but still not an excuse after 4-5 weeks to no have adjusted. Make no mistake, Henne isn’t Brett Favre.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they still have to get used to the way Henne throws

Theyve been used to CP touch passing, now Henne is gunning it to them (which is definitely not a bad thing), Its like in baseball, trying to hit a ball from a pitcher that pitches 90mph then trying to hit a ball from a pitcher that pitches 105 mph. Its a timing thing. I agree that these guys are professionals and should catch everything that comes their way (no matter whos throwing to them), but all our receivers are average to just above average at best and they just need a little time to get the timing right with Henne (which should be soon). Also theres a reason CP10 has the best comp % in the league. The guy throws passes that even I could catch (which isnt saying much) on any given Sunday. I would say that would definitely contribute to the higher comp % and less dropped balls of Ginn and Bess last year. CP10 could make any average receiver look above average in the short passing game, but we needed a gun slinger and now we have one. Now we need the receivers we have to step up and be able to handle his passes or we need to replace them with ones that can.

by Wade on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

We only need a gun slinger if the OC can call a good game

And our WRs can get open and catch the ball. Henne holds the ball way too long and our WRs aren’t getting open. Even then when they do get open, they seem to be dropping balls. Not a good combination all around. Henne looked good the first 3 games…but he didn’t look good at all last game. I saw too much of the deer in the head lights look when the pass rush was coming. I still don’t understand why the OC didn’t call more screen passes and quick slants! That’s how you beat that aggressive pressure!

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

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by phyrmun on Nov 5, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

what? this is such a nice looking and functioning blog because

it’s not some home made shit, and to accomplish that you need sponsors. Its just how the real world works.

by MauMontaV5 on Nov 5, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

The "sell out"

is just trying to pay the bill that comes with providing this forum. No sponsors, no Phinsider.

This comment brought to you by the guy who is calling phyrum a JO.

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by Dragon27az on Nov 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all

it is phyrmun. I have no problem with ads on the web page, I understand that’s how it works, but a column sponsor? What’s next? Will the page be filled with as much crap as a MLB game? Drugan, you can except more programing by the man if you want. I don’t. J.A.

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by phyrmun on Nov 6, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

OOOOOOOOHH

SMACK! LOL Nice job Matty, kudos. Anyone with his own quote and his own name within his signature is obviously out there. Kinda like ol’ Cam talking about himself in the 3rd person. Programming by the man…lemme guess, the government is out to put microchips in all our brains too? Tool.

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by Dragon27az on Nov 6, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it cold and wet in your basement?

Or do do your friends keep you warm when you play dungeons and dragons?

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by phyrmun on Nov 6, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

How original :p

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by Farorefox on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Such a creative comment. I am in awe. I played football dingleberry…something you could never hope to acheive. Better get back to work, people who eat McDonalds dont like their burgers to get burned and I am sure your 18 year old manager doesnt want to write you up again for messing up the grill again.

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by Dragon27az on Nov 7, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

you played football, I am impressed. I comment on a story having a sponsor and you decide to attack me for having an opion. By the way, I guess my handle was to complex for you to decifer, but I go into burning buildings for a living but the fact that you played football must make you a tough guy so I apoligize. I hope that any opion I may have in the future does not offend you.

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by phyrmun on Nov 8, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

ok ok

First, kudos to you for being a fireman. It is a great service that you provide to people in their most needy times, so for that I tip my hat to you. I, however, was not attacking your opinion. I was upset that you called the site and host (Matty) a sell-out. Without sponsors we dont have this great site that we all love and cherish. I don’t think Matty is cashing $100K checks from Comcast for setting up this thread. Ok, so this is done and over-with. We have said what we needed to, so I will extend the olive branch out.

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by Dragon27az on Nov 9, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

accepted

one point though, I did not mean to call out Matty, I can see how what I wrote could be read that way and I apologize. It was just frustration with so much of sports being dominated by advertizing.

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by phyrmun on Nov 9, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Now know that I'm NOT a Ginn fan

but if he runs back every ball that’s kicked to him we wont have to worry about the red zone

by NC Mike on Nov 5, 2009 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah and then I will become the team owner!!

And Dan Marino will magically transport back from 1984 in his prime with that lightning quick release! And Jerry Rice will be right behind him…….

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 5, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That really worries me...

because then the “fading 4th quarter D” will be on the field all game long……and we all know what happens after that 36 minute mark!!

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by Dragon27az on Nov 5, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

won't matter if we are leading . . . until . . .

Just think how stupid the average Jest fan is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! ( a parody of a George Carlin line)

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by PhinsTifosi on Nov 5, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

But the more kicks he's running back....

That means the more points teams are scoring against us.

by luvs2drnk on Nov 5, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Not if it's a PUNT RETURN!!!

Got to ask for the right thing! But seriously guys, don’t expect this a lot. There are reasons that most teams don’t get more than one or two return TDs a year. Look what happened with Dante Hall and Devin Hester. They had a great year but it is really not a surprise that they weren’t able to repeat that performance since then.

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 6, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a reason for that.

Both of them had their roles expanded on offense, and their return duties took a hit. Hall eventually washed out, and Hester is still trying to prove he can play WR. They need to realize that the return guy needs to be just that, the return guy. Look at arguably the best returner in the league prior to Hester. Brian Mitchell. Why? Because that was his job, KR/PR. Occasionally he would play RB, if there was an injury.

by luvs2drnk on Nov 10, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

36 minute mark hell

It seems more like the 20 minute mark….they are good for the first 15 minutes…then they go to hell. (Its called sprints Sparano, you might want to make your defense start doing a couple hundred a day)

by Vanman_FishFan13 on Nov 6, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

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