The Joey Porter saga continues in Miami, but is he even needed?
In case you haven't heard, Chris Mortensen reported during Monday Night Countdown that Dolphins LB Joey Porter is not expected to play on Thursday night when his team travels up to Carolina to take on the Panthers. In fact, Mortensen added that Porter might not be playing again "anytime soon." And all this comes after Porter was deactivated for this past week's game against Tampa Bay - described by the Dolphins as a "coach's decision."
There have also been multiple reports that the original reason for Porter's deactivation against the Buccaneers was related to Joey, who was nursing an injury and not feeling well, being allowed to leave the facility early to go home. However, Joey allegedly didn't go home - he went "elsewhere." The team learned of this and made the decision to sit him against the Bucs.
But you have to wonder if Mortensen's report on Monday night is actually accurate. Joey spoke to the media earlier on Monday and did said, among other things, "It was coach's decision. There's nothing else to talk about. It's already behind me."
Head coach Tony Sparano made it seem like this whole situation was behind him as well. In fact, he actually defended Porter's lack of production this season when asked about it by the media:
"I see different things that Joey does, different things that Joey has gotten better at, things that you guys won't see unless you watch the film with us. That is a credit to Joey. When you can teach an old dog a new trick — that is a positive."
This is why I'm having a hard time believing Mortensen's report that Porter won't play on Thursday night. Maybe he won't start - and maybe he doesn't even deserve to (we'll get into that in a minute). But you can't sit here and tell me that Joey Porter isn't as good as a guy like Quentin Moses - who would be the player who would get Porter's spot on the 45-player gameday roster if Joey is indeed deactivated again.
I also find it hard to believe that Tony Sparano would tell the media one thing - and defend Joey to the reporters - while bashing him behind closed doors. I just don't see Sparano as that kind of coach - one who would be that disingenuous.
With that said, Sparano did make it clear to the media that he plans to use a rotation among all of his outside linebackers from here on out:
"I will be honest with you and I might have mentioned this after the game, but our plan going in was to have a rotation and we will continue to have a rotation and get as many of these guys in the game that we can get into the game. I think Cameron and Charlie were both productive yesterday so there is no reason for them not to get into the game and play."
This means that, with or without Porter, the Dolphins will continue to rotate in all of their top outside linebackers - Jason Taylor, Charlie Anderson, Cameron Wake, and Matt Roth. But wouldn't the Dolphins benefit from including Porter in this rotation?
You would think so. But it's important to also keep in mind that we don't really know what has been going on behind closed doors. Perhaps Joey was told by Sparano that he would be rotating the outside linebackers in and out of the game more often moving forward and Joey - being the competitor he is - was not happy. Again, that's just speculation - but it would make sense.
Regardless of the reason, however, would the Dolphins really miss Joey Porter on the field if he is indeed deactivated again? The statistics lead you to believe they would not.
On the season, Joey Porter has played 378 defensive snaps. Of those, Porter has 2.5 sacks and 8 quarterback pressures. Meanwhile, everybody's favorite CFL transplant - Cameron Wake - has taken just 90 snaps. In those 90 snaps, Wake has 4.5 sacks and 12 quarterback pressures (which are the most pressures of any Dolphin, one more than Jason Taylor). It's also worth pointing out that Charlie Anderson has taken 92 snaps on defense and has one sack and two quarterback pressures.
If you wanted to average these figures out, Wake is getting a sack or pressuring the quarterback on one out of every six snaps and Anderson one out of every 31 snaps. Porter, meanwhile, is averaging just one sack or pressure out of every 36 snaps.
Of course, Wake is rushing the passer on pretty much every snap he sees. That's what he does. Anderson and Porter are asked to do more - like drop into coverage. You also need to adjust those numbers for opponent's play selection. And if we did that, odds are that Wake sees a much greater ratio of passing plays to running plays than either of the other two.
But still, these stats aren't really telling us something that we haven't seen with our own eyes when watching these games. And the fact has been that, for most of the season, Joey Porter has not been effective at getting to the quarterback. And when you are the weakside outside linebacker in a 3-4, that is your primary job.
If I was Joey, I'd be on my very best behavior - because I think we might be getting to the point where these Miami Dolphins no longer need Joey. Or perhaps Joey has already realized this, possibly resulting in the spat between Porter and the team behind closed doors.
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Poor Joey
i hope he do good this season so we could trade his ass haha
Who DAT: WILDCAT
DOA= DEAD ON ARRIVAL
joking hopfully he comes back and shows his critics wrong
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DOA= DEAD ON ARRIVAL
by DPL3 Rollin on Nov 17, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
so we can then around and trade him
yeah you got it right the 1st time
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Nov 17, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, stick with your first idea.
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by texascowpunk on Nov 17, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
trade?
cmon the dude is 35 or 36 we arent tradin him for anything, but itd be nice if he could get 16 or sacks again
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by ronnie brown for president on Nov 17, 2009 12:22 AM EST reply actions
Have to hold off on till thursday...
at this point we don’t know if he will dress, not dress, play/not play.
If he doesn’t though, then it will give a lot of credence to what Mort is suggesting.
FWIW, I tend to agree with Matty that Sparano doesn’t talk out of both sides of his mouth (defend joey to the media + bashing him in the locker room).
The Saga continues... or not.
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Either way I suppose we could as well support him since
a- we don’t know the facts and b- he was a really large part of this team’s success last season, which by the way, is looking like a huge memory considering how poorly this team has been playing the last couple of games. Like Aleta said and said correctly, who benches the Coaching Staff?
They should just tell us
I hate having this kind of ‘drama’ taking away concentration from the main focus which is to win games.
This is what you get for paying a loudmouth alot of money
When he isnt happy it F’s the whole team. I saw this coming when we signed him. I’m just surprised it took this long to come out
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
I've been thinking the EXACT same thing too
ever since we signed him. I was really surprised we got such a great season out of him last year, but I’m afraid that’s all we’re gonna get.
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We need a rotation
and i am for having Porter in it. I am not for having him (or Taylor) play every down. On obvious rushing downs (and the panthers will rush alot), we should have Roth/Anderson on the SS, no need for JT to take the beating.
On obvious passing downs, have JT/Porter/Wake mainly rotate for the two spots.
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That should be the test to see if he’s going abide by the team and roll with the punches. If that was the case I don’t see why he would be doing an interview tonight.
He’s 32 and has no trade value. I doubt he’d get picked up off waivers at this point after the season he’s having.
Maybe in his mind he can return to Pitt at a discount like JT did here.
He must have graded out considerably lower than the production they got from Anderson and Wake. Even being against Tampa.
I think the trifecta is really taking into consideration a few things.
First is that the move to Henne which switches gears into development mode. That one switch defines the focus of offense and defense. They’re building as a whole so as soon as QB went devolopment so did everything else. Will Allen going down has a lot to do with it as well.
Next is the fact that the odds are against us to make the playoffs. It’s a real possibility we make it but I think in the trifecta’s eyes if we make it then we make it with guys they envision being here next season. Its like a balance of what’s good now and later.
by special agent wildcat on Nov 17, 2009 9:02 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Trade him to the Redskins for a 2nd...
and a sixth round pick, LOL! Hey, he is coming off a big ’08 like Taylor and his DMVP year.
the only reason
this is even being discussed is because he’s peezy. if this was happening to any other player that had the stats and the year he has been having we wouldnt even being discussing it. we all knew at the beginning of the year he and JT were getting long in the tooth. none of this suprises me whatsoever. put in the players that give us the best chance to win.
Agreed
Especially considering the Colts just gave us a small window. This week’s game is a must-win (if it wasn’t already). Win the next 2, hope that NE loses one of theirs, and we have a chance to catch them in the division at home on MNF in a couple weeks.
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by GEtSICK13 on Nov 17, 2009 12:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Tackles
How many tackles do each of them have Matty? I have not seen Porter contributing in tackles either. He might be setting the edge, but to me it looks like Popcorn’s primary role now is dancing with the left tackle. Maybe he is auditioning for JT’s old role on Dancing with the D Listers again. My take, Porter is and has been since the middle of last year, utterly useless.
He has fizzled since the end of last year
we should have traded him in the offseason after his big year.. I guarantee if we knew the Henne era would start this season he would have been gone. We probably wouldnt have had Taylor either
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
Quit Bashing JT!
Jason Taylor has done more than anyone on this team expected him to. He’s came in, worked his @ss off in OTA’s and training camp and earned his spot as well as producing on the field. If we put him back in his old position i garuntee he’s had atleast 8+ sacks. We should be lucky to have such a good player and leader for this team and for the young players, especially Wake and Charlie. I know he messed up two years ago but for all the years he gave to Miami we can give him that 1 and I think he’s been our most consistent defensive player along with Starks all season. Jason Taylor is one of the top 5 best Miami Dolphins ever, every game he’s on this team it makes us better, even at 35.
yeah when did anyone mention 99?
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If Wake or JT (god forbid) went down with a season ending injury and Porter was already cut, what would everyone be saying? COME BACK PEEZY, I guarantee it. Depth is always a nice problem to have. JP is still owed like $10M guaranteed money after this season plus what ever signing bonuses he qualifies for….so it doesnt make any sense to cut him right now. Whether or not he is willing to take being benched or a reduced role remains to be seen, but as long as he doesnt become a virus I say keep him around.
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Finally, the Phins linebackers had more tackles than the defensive backs.
If Yeremiah Bell and Gibril Wilson are leading the team in tackles, isnt’ that’s a bit too late to be effective.
JP has skills. Is he hungry enough?

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