Improving the Pass Rush
Any thought to moving to more of a 3-4 Hybrid Defense or at least a 3-4 Hybrid formation?
I realize that you can't just change your entire defense mid-season, but I read that the Patriots had to do some 3-4 hybrid stuff out of necessity due to injuries.
Could we make some adjustments to our defense to take into account underperformance/injury (Joey Porter, Matt Roth, Jason Ferguson, Channing Crowder) and get our playmakers into position to make plays (Randy Starks, Cam Wake)?
I say that Randy Starks is our best defensive player right now and it would be to our advantage to get him in position to put more pressure on the QB. The RDE position in the 3-4 is important, but it is not a prime position to get pressure on the QB. Richard Seymour and Haloti Ngata were able to be effective because their supporting cast put pressure on the offense. We don't have a Mike Vrabel/Terrell Suggs putting pressure on the outside to free up rushers from the inside.
I am not advocating a full shift into a 3-4 hybrid defense. Basically I am suggesting lining up in a 4-3 formation with one of the OLBs with his hand on the ground. From here, you would either attack as a four-man nickel D-Line OR shift at the last moment back into a 3-4 standard alignment. I believe that the shift at the last moment would create enough confusion with the Offensive line that you would be able to get a rusher free (either a D-lineman or a blitzing OLB). Add to that Cornerback blitzes off-and-on and you would have a recipe for aggressive pressure without the risk of all-out blitzes. Your safeties are back in coverage helping your rookie corners or covering the TE. The pressure is coming from D-Line and OLB alignment shifts and unpredictable, but frequent CB blitzes.
Here's a sample of a suggested hybrid 3-4 formation:
_ _ _ _ _ _ LDE (Merling/Moses) LDT (Soliai/Langford) RDT (Starks/McDaniel) RDE (Taylor/Wake) _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _SLB (Walden/Wake/Taylor) _ _ _MLB (Torbor/Kershew) _ _ WLB (Ayodele/Nate Jones - nickel)
I'm calling for SS (Tyrone Culver) and FS (Chris Clemons) to provide coverage whenever Davis/Smith are sent on CB blitzes.
Note that if the hybrid shifts back at the last minute to a 3-4, there might be some times when Kendall Langford is caught at NT and Quentin Moses is caught at LDE in a 3-4 alignment which might be a disadvantage against the run, but Langford is 6-6 290 and Moses is 6-5 260, so it is not a total mismatch and if they are slanting into the line, they might even make a tackle for loss play in the backfield. On a pass rush, they would definitely have a quickness/mobility advantage in addition to the surprise effect of a last-second shift.
Bottom Line: I am putting Randy Starks/Tony McDaniel into a position to make an Albert Haynesworth type impact on a game attacking from the RDT(4-3)/RDE(3-4) spot.
An additional benefit is that instead of having Quentin Moses, Jason Taylor, and Cam Wake try to attack and adjust to a new/unfamiliar OLB technique, they can attack more instinctively from a more familiar DE spot (obviously, they will need practice reps at these new positions).
You can get additional pressure by blitzing the SLB/LOLB off the strong side. I highly recommend it since the safeties I've chosen are decent in coverage.
Pass coverage improves with Culver/Clemons from the safety position playing deep centerfield.
Addtional pressure comes from big/fast/physical CB surprise blitzes or from CBs playing physical press coverage at the LOS.
Note: to defend the 3 WR set, you insert Nate Jones for Akin Ayodele as the nickel corner. The SLB and MLB become nickel linebackers.
SAMARY:
- Sit Joey Porter, Matt Roth, Yeremiah Bell, Gibril Wilson, and deactivate Charlie Anderson (Moses active).
- Move Quentin Moses to a hybrid LDE position and Kendall Langford to a hybrid NT/DT position
- Get more snaps for Erik Walden and Cameron Wake (especially from a hand-on-the-ground position).
- Use the uniqe talents of our current players to have an impact on the game from creative positions in the formation - minimizing the learning curve (and sitting loud-mouth underperformers).
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Forgot to mention...
Phillip Merling played LDE in 4-3 at Clemson
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by DolphDallas on Nov 10, 2009 1:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Langford and Merling could be two very good DT's for us
Both have the size and burst necessary for a good pass rush. So I like that idea. Starks cannot be a DE for us since he lacks the quickness necessary for contain. It doesnt do us any good to stuff the middle if the backs/qb could easily bust it out wide.
I agree that we should be done with Porter/Crowder/Bell and Wilson. The vets on this team have really let us down big time. The kick in the nuts is we just resigned/signed 3 of these guys. So it will be too hard to move them all in one year since the cap penalties would be huge.
Wake needs to start IMO. He is the only guy getting a consistent pass rush. Including JT. I saw one play where JT was just standing in front of the RT locking arms. That is either he doesn’t think he can beat his man or he is winded.
Soliai is JUST a backup NT. Unfortunate that he couldn’t capitalize off his big game last week but its good to know this now before going into next year.
So yes I do think its a good idea to mix it up more with our formations since we arent beating anyone head to head. The problem I see we are already well into this season. This could have been done in the bye but its too late for this now.
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by Souwantmyname on Nov 10, 2009 2:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just for clarification...when I say Starts at DE I mean 3-4 DE which is different than 4-3 DE
I agree that he wouldn’t provide a speed rush or be able to contain the corner, but as a 3-4 DE, he is rushing up the middle.
If they stay in the nickel formation, he rushes as a 4-3 DT
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by DolphDallas on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We already do something simila to what you're suggesting.
On nickel downs Wake has been used as a DE. With our personnel, I’m beginning to think a 4-3 would actually be better for us.
by luvs2drnk on Nov 10, 2009 6:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, BUT not enough. 11 plays...and he still got a sack.
This would allow him to rush from the nickel RDE position or from the SLB/LOLB slot. This is a full-time defense, not just on nickel packages. If we can’t get by the O-Line based on talent, why not try to confuse the O-line with shifts that get our D-linemen in favorable one-on-one matchups or allow our ILB/OLB to find gaps in the protection.
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by DolphDallas on Nov 10, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because that is out of the scope of Pasqualoni's talent.
The guy is not the greatest at utilizing the blitz, he relies too much on the talent of his players to outplay the people blocking them. Sometimes it works, but most times it doesn’t.
by luvs2drnk on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Since there was talk about Randy Starks or Tony McDaniel playing Nose Tackle...
but there were concerns whether they would hold up in run support, how about this variant on the Aqua-Hybrid Formation:
_ _ _ _ _ _ LDE (Merling/Moses) LDT (Starks/McDaniel) RDT (Langford/Dotson) RDE (Taylor/Wake) _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _SLB (Walden/Wake/Taylor) _ _ _ _ _ _ _MLB (Torbor/Kershew) _ _ _ _ _ _ _ WLB (Ayodele/Nate Jones – nickel)
I’m calling for SS (Tyrone Culver) and FS (Chris Clemons) to provide coverage whenever Davis/Smith are sent on CB blitzes.
Now if the Fins SHIFT into the straight 3-4, Starks/McDaniel plays the nose and Langford/Dotson attack from the RDT position. Once again at a slight run defense disadvantage, but definitely will get more pass rush. With Soliai under-performing, you don’t lose that much from run defense and you gain exponentially in pass rush which is a huge need and the key to getting turnovers/stops.
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by DolphDallas on Nov 10, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Forgot to mention that your D-lines look like:
LDE Merling; LDT Starks; RDT Langford; RDE Taylor
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LDE Moses; LDT McDaniel; RDT Dotson; RDE Wake
Quite impressive personnel from a pass defense perspective
and not too shabby from a run-stuffing angle.
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by DolphDallas on Nov 10, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize that Kershew had been cut...
In that case Ayodele backs up Torbor and Folsom backs up Ayodele at WLB along with Nate Jones
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by DolphDallas on Nov 10, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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