Joe Namath - The most overated player in NFL history (VOTE! NEW POLL ADDED)
by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
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You heard me - Joe Namath is the most overated player in NFL History. It's about time someone spoke the truth. Everytime I hear Jets fans talk of Mark Sanchez being "The next Joe Namath" I break out in laughter - because I hope thats true. I myself was brainwashed for a long time - believing people when they mentioned him as one of the all-time greats - then I did a little research - and nearly crapped my pants. Let's start off my taking a quick look at his numbers - just your everyday generic stats a QB is judged upon.
Let's start with the stat that every true leader is judged upon - his win loss record.
77 wins, 108 losses, 3 ties.
How many NFL Quarterbacks are in the Hall of Fame with this kind of record? 77 wins divided by 13 seasons - thats not even an average of 6 wins a season. Hall of Famer? All-Time great? No - not even close. Closer to a tag of "The Original Trent Edwards" I would say.
Next let us look at another stat Quarterbacks are judged on - Interception and Touchdown totals.
173 Touchdowns, 220 Interceptions.
Really? 188 games played - and the guy throws 220 Interceptions? Less touchdowns than games played? Serious? Diffrent times or not - that is horrible. A player taken high in the first round - and given a NFL record contract , with the above numbers isn't called a Hall of Famer - it's called a bust. If you told me Chad Henne would finish his career with these numbers - I would guess he played for 6 diffrent teams over a 15 year span of shittiness. This is the standard Jets fans hold other quarterbacks to? I guess thats what Browning Nagle was all about.
In 1999 Namath was named to the Sporting News "Top 100" players of all-time - what a crock of shit that is. Three division titles in 13 years is "Greatness"? Bullshit. Your telling me a guy that finished his career with a little over 26,000 yards passing is in that kind of all-time company? Check out a short list of players with MORE career passing yards than "BJ".
- Rich Gannon
Seriously - Trent Green? I'm no Jets football historian - maybe they ran the ball a crapload - but wow. What - you want a stat someone like Ron "I jerk it to X's and O's" Jaworski would find as good evidence of suck? How bout Quarterback rating then? That's a stat most modern day analyst think tells the story. What's this All-Time great's career passer rating?
65.5
I also have no real idea WTF a passer rating even means - I'll admit it. What I do know is a shitty quarterback when I see them - so I will compare that to some of the shittier quarterbacks that come to recent memory.
A.J. Feeley - 69.9 - Sooooo close Broadway - sorry.
J.P. Losman - 75.6 - Serious dude? He is the QB of the Las Vegas Locomotives. Cmon.
JaMarcus Russell - 72.2 - WOW - worse than a QB that struggles to zip his pants.
Ray Lucas - 77.1 - And I think both teams can tell you how bad Ray Lucas sucks balls.
We all know Joe Namath is known for his guarantee of victory in Super Bowl 3 - he invented the loud mouth cocky guarantee so many have tried since. You would figure winning MVP of that game - and being known most for his guarantee of that game - would mean he was nasty that day. You would be WRONG. Chizzzeeeeckkk It Izzoooout.
17-28 (Meh..) 206 yards (Meh....) NO TOUCHDOWNS. 1 INT... NO PASSES THROWN IN THE 4TH QUARTER! Now THAT is clutch QB play - MVP caliber even.
What - did he hand the ball off well? No. The Jets D had 4 picks in the game - Id say that "Most Valuable". This following a season where he completed 49% of his passes - and threw more INT's than TD's (17-15). Fraudy McFraderstein if I can say so myself.
How did Namath finish his career - with total suck and disapointment. Heading into the 1975 season the Jets were big favorites - they finished 3-11. Same deal in 1976 - 3-11. Namath went on to play 3 totally awesome games for the LA Rams - before getting turned into a human pretzel on MNF - and never playing again.
So while real greats like Dan Marino are all over TV spreading their knowledge of the game these days - Joe Namath, well he's doing stuff like this.
So to young Jets fans who believe "Broadway Joe" was one of the greats - sorry to bust your brainwash bubble. Numbers don't lie - especially the all important win/loss record. You want Mark Sanchez to be like "BJ" when he grows up? Me too.
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Joe Namath is the most overated player in NFL History
Absolutely! Big deal, he was played in NY and made some stupid promise out his @ss and they actually won. Make him a legend…woohoo
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by Neo on Oct 9, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hall of Fame....more like "Hall of 15 Minutes of Fame"
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More genius from Rzayo24! Thank you sir. After my fist time visit to that toilet that they call a blog over there my hatered for that team has grown a thousand fold. Then like you were reading my mind you post this piece of brillance. I think you should go and cut and past this entire entry on there blog. Your facts are very hard to argue although they will try with there massive collection of ignorance!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea...
I dont bother going over there…If I wanna talk Jets football Ill go buy some crack and visit the local homeless shelter
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Right!
It was actually pretty funny over there today. Even Matty mixed it up with them a bit. One of them told me off and then told Matty to move out of NJ. Good stuff from a group of morons over there.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i need to go read this
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have since deleted most of it!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol loosers
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol loosers
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well Matty should move out of Jersey
Its called the shithole of the nation for a reason
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 11, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so but not because some douche bag Jets fans said so.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY HEY HEY!!!!!
its the armpit…..get it right.
Love Florida (the penis)
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? The penis?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
der...look at a map
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I am well versed on what the US map looks like.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thnk he means florida looks like a PENIS
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by samdaman on Oct 12, 2009 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know what he means!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Thanks Sam!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"america's wang"
Get it right!
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by joel311 on Oct 11, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL I still dont know. It just does not really have a ring to it!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey hey I happen to live on the tip of that penis and....
ahh F*** it.
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 11, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahaha
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow dude sucks more dick
than a prostitute…how the fuck is he in the HOF?!?!?!?!
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 9, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
got me....it was so shcoking I needed to make this post!
your effin telling me..
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea i had absolutely no idea about this
knowing he was a HOFer, naturally i thought he had great numbers like most do, but damn was i wrong
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-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 9, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will tell you exactly how that happens.
Most of the media is based in NY. It was even worse back then. Anytime there is voting on anything with the media you will see a total NE bias. If he had played in any other part of the country and had those pathetic numbers and 1 superbowl he would have never had a chance.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but how do you throw a pick....no tds.....and no passes in the final quarter
and get super bowl MVP?
thats just retarded.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More NY media!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u gotta lov the ny media!
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had a panty hose comercial-back in the 1960's, all that was sacred was out. even the kicker's came out of the closet! Fag was in!!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 10, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL I remember seeing that commercial somewhere.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hence the reason for my post
THE PUBLIC MUST KNOW THE TRUTH!!!
NAMATH IS A FRAUD!
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the heads up bro
THE WORLD MUST KNOW!!!
EVERYONE POST THIS STORY ON YOUR FACEBOOK, MYSPACE, TWITTER, AND WHATEVER OTHER WEBSITE YOU CAN
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, honestly
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man Im having so much fun over there
Really Rzayo you should come. Its great
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL...i almost checked it out..then I remembered
I’M BANNED LOL.
suck my balls Gang Green….your blog blows tranny
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They banned you? lol
Ill probably get it to. I went toe to toe with the founder of it today lmao
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
last season
i laughed at them cuz they had like 15 comments in a game thread.
banned.
my life has never been the same./
Gang Green is just a cover for male escorts and child predators
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats sad, lol
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats my ultimate goal over there to get banned!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just say something educated...
not allowed on that blog.
just feces throwing and guys looking for other guys for car dates.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it actually makes me laugh how they talk over there.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what do you expect?
they have years upon years of hyping shitty meaningless seasons…they have perfected it.
show me a jets fan and ill show you a porkgrind eating virgin with self esteem issues that still wets the bed. period.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ur on ur way
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, it has already happened!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never even realized this...HE SUCKED
i mean…come ON AJ Feely? wooooooow
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
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by Rytackle on Oct 9, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol i love the fact that you still have "1/2 feud pt" in ur sig
hold that shit…game aint over lol.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GO READ MY POST AND COMMENT!!
Its fun AND educational and great material for the fucktards over at gang green
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IM TOTALLY SERIOUS HERE GUYS!!!!
WE ALL NEED TO KNOW ABOUT OUR TEAMS HERITAGE…A.K.A THE MAMMAL WERE NAMED AFTER
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read it.
Good stuff. Plus as a member of the dolphin research center in the keys I also support the cause. They rescue injured and orphaned dophins. Great place.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
spread the word my friend
we face many teams with mascots that a dolphin would pwn. I would know. Im a zoologist (well one semester away anyways)
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
YOU DIDNT REC IT? CMON DUDE WE LIVE IN THE SAME STATE!!
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
shameless plug!
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 9, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I cant help it
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u made a post about real dolphins?
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was good!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
such unimpressive stats. why did he get so famous…..why was he considered so good? just another testament to the stupidity of fans. he predicts he will win one game, then does, and he is the greatest thing to ever hit big apple sports. GREAT INSIGHTS, goo
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 9, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...im 29....anyone that actually witnessed him play...i would love to hear from
im sure his below .500 record was due to his leadership and moxy
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we post a link to you post over there?
I think they need to see what they are actually rooting for!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just posted that...go for it..
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, Its done!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont lie, we know ur 30
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MR MEDIC LOVED MY POST!!
LOVED IT!!! MUST READ!!! IM HYPED ON CODINE FROM COUGH MEDICINE I SHOULD PROBABLY GO LAY DOWN BECAUSE I CANT STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS LIKE RZ
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, quit yelling at us!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IM SORRY!!
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really should calm down though im gonna blow an artery
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
take deep breaths
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont get too happy
i like everything. and im a really bad judge of literature. my praise and rec’s are practically worthless. plus i’ve been drinking pretty heavily this afternoon.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 9, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude u drink and feel zero guilt
rec away….get CRAZY! lol. you deserve it.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant post at Gang Gang....because I posted a picture of the lead blogger giving oral to his dad...
But someone can go ahead and link those bitches….if they wanna support the fraud superstar
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
k
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lmao that why?
thats funny as hell
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude...
not my fault….he sent to my email with a nude pic labled “bottom seeking burly top Phins fan”
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if my terminology is correct
im a power top
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.
13 1/2 phinsider fued points!!!
by MrMedic on Oct 9, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL..arent we all.....ARENT.....WE ....ALLLLLLLLLL
uhh….i mean female wise of course.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rz,
you just made me laugh so hard i spit out my beer and nearly choked.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.
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by MrMedic on Oct 9, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad to be of service.
its one thing to suck cock….its an entirely nother’ thing to send a stranger of pick of you with ur head off the bed getting captain morgan slammed in the cranium
i made myself lol….good stuff
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O M G
clap clap clap clap clap
getting captain morgan slammed in the cranium
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
"i think we have to look at it through his shoes" tuscanitunr talkin about brett farve.
13 1/2 phinsider fued points!!!
by MrMedic on Oct 9, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea....
Gang Green’s lead blogger…whatever his meaningless name is…..takes it in the mouth from his dad while hes holding his knee thrusting.
goodnight..lol
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...
im pushing the “Matty delete comment” envelope….i know i am matty….i see u looking over my shoulder with whistle in mouth.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then maybe u shouldnt have beer at the computer
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jet's fans are so retarted. They have the same three guys posting their defense over and over.
way to say we are 1-3 ten times. It’ll be that much sweeter when we kick their ass. If they made a thread over here trash talking we would have AT LEAST ten guys jumping on the defense. It’s actually a little funny.
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by Rytackle on Oct 9, 2009 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we talked this same time last season...
they woulda called Brett Favre comeback player of the year…..and they would have been bragging about being unstoppable with the final QB piece.
Everybody is a world beater at 3-1…every season. suck my balls….in the end…you….will…..not ….win…shit……………
you havent since the above asshole played the above talked about shitty game.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just went apeshit on the first post over there
Stupid codine….maybe ill get banned (pumps fist)
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously guys...
dont give them the honor….dont give them the ok to troll our site..
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I want them too
Youre like kryptonite to them apparently…and matty was going off too, it was really funny
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u let the enemy strike 1st
Bruce Lee always says the best punch is a counter punch.
plus Jets fans are fat and sloppy….they throw a punch ill uppercut them and stuff them in the back of their shit smelling cab.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no let them
i need to tell them off
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
adda boy. i knew i could count on u
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd as well
BTW, Suzy Kollber handled that situation VERY well. That’s why she’s the best female sports caster out there….along with Erin Andrews
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
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by Rytackle on Oct 9, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She felt bad for him...
so did I.
He was like the Grandpa at a College party whos wife just died a few yrs ago….sad and lonley…plus drunk….equals i feel bad for u
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah....my grandpa is like that....its weird
just like that
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
1/2 a Phinsider Fued Point
by Rytackle on Oct 9, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol!
we all know some dude like that.
the one i know….he calls himself “The captain” hes my ex girls dad….people all refer to him as the effing captain….he biys kids liquor…hits on anything he can see through the blur of drunk. sad and sorry….like joe namath
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
erin andrews is by far the greatest
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree, and i dont even care about her communication skills
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Oct 10, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
communicartion skills? what are those?
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw i rec'd it lol
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 9, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and i rec U miami....i rec u
just for being on comedy central 1 more time than i ever will. u bitch. i hate u.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha and don't you forget that
i will always have that over you…and did u really just call me miami, i think you the first to call me that, usually its MHTD
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 9, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea and I like MHTD better...
i feel like it should have “genuine draft” after it…..its got swag.
dont know why i did that…but it wont happen again o comedy central star
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it better not!
lol and yea i love seeing that, it does look like a beer name lol…hmmm maybe i’ll start a beer company and that’ll be the name….rz, would u like to be my president?
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I make my own beer!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could be my head of brewing
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AKA brewmaster!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope you like micro brews.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can start off that way
but it going to become huge, bigger than heineken, bud, guiness, and corona combined
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I mean real micro brews.
Something good like you might get from Fattire, Redhook, Fullsail, Sierra Nevada, ect….. I do dig Guiness though. Hein, bud and corona all suck!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you're the brewmaster, you come up with the product
and i will make it the biggest in the world
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough!
Either way we are all rich as hell!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the idea lol
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmmmmmmmmmmm, beer
brew me up one tex
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously guys
Read my post. Im practically begging here. Its shameful
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by Enhalen on Oct 9, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok ok.....geesh stop bending over and spreading ur posts asshole
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u asked if a Airliner has a penis?
No….Jets dont have a penis. And if Rex Ryan does have one…he hasnt seen it since Christmas 89’
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY, I spotted chad pennington in that video!
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
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by Rytackle on Oct 9, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah i think he was purposely blowing the game away
so he could be traded from the crappy jets.
thats how we got him
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Oct 10, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
I don’t come to a Jets fan….Jets fan come to me.
If they wanna see me….I’m right here waiting for them. Don’t come to me with a 3-1 resume neither….I pull down my pants….and lay a fat shit on your 3-1. Its meaningless. It’s overated. It’s a 1 game losing streak.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I got banned from Gang Green
but they left my post up with the link to this post!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
adda boy
doesnt it feel a lot like getting banend from a male strip club?
who gives a shit – lol.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 9, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I dont know about the comparison but iut made me laugh.
The removed all of my comments and most of the other comments from this site. Some how they left up my post! Very odd. Also none of Mattys comments have been removed.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 9, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
congrats
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
happy birthday; & as many more as you want or will be able to hold in a lifetime!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 9, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Attention Spans and Superficial Understanding
Numbers can be highly deceiving. I’m not a Jets fan and although I was a kid when Namath was playing, I knew enough football to understand why he is considered a great QB. Yeah …… he threw a lot of picks but the guy read defenses better than any QB I’ve ever seen. And …. the game was very different in those days. QB’s did a lot more downfield passing than throwing safe dump-off passes. Nothing against Montana ….. he was a truly great QB but …… Walsh brought in a pass-oriented offense that completely revised the pro grame. In Namath’s era there was none of this. If there were, he would have had better stats but, then again, he probably would have been a lot less electrifying to watch as QB. As tp the overall W-L record, the fact is that he played on a lot of bad Jets teams. But the few years when they did come together and win, they were formidable and exciting. If one looks at career stats alone, you’re not going to find Sandy Koufax in many leading categories, either. But …… he was hands-down the best pitcher of his era.
by Jeff I on Oct 10, 2009 2:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you're trying to cover the fact that you are a Jets fan,
I suggest not listing them as your favorite team in your SBN profile.
epic fail right there
by Matty I on Oct 10, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Nice catch Matty!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha matty
u r the man!…u fucking failed jeff, get outta here with your nonsense
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol nice matty
that is why ur in charge
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAM Eye in the sky cought another one
dolphin fan 4 life
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by dolfinfan34 on Oct 10, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing gets by this beast
we call Matty I
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok well lets compare
Sonny Jurgensen (1957-1974)- 255 TDs and 189 INTs with 32,224 yrds
Otto Graham(1946-1955) 174 TDs and 135 INTs with 23,500 yrds…And this is with 114 starts as opposed to Namath’s 140
Johnny Unitas (1956-1973) 290 TDs and 253 INTs with 40,000+ yrds
Fran Tarkenton (1961-1978) 342 TDs and 266 INts with 47,000 yrds
All of these Qbs played in the same span of time but all of them have considerably much better statistics than Namath…
No excuses…Hes overrated!
by Ham420 on Oct 10, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t grow up in NY and list them because I follow them now. It has nothing to do with being a “fan.” I grew up in LA but, of course, LA no longer has a team with the Rams in STL. My comments on Namath are objective.
by Jeff I on Oct 10, 2009 3:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One other thing about Namath, it is usually informative to find out what the players from his era thought about him. I’d argue that this is much more telling than someone on a blog looking up stats and spouting off fairly meaningless cliches trashing the guy. When you read comments from people who played with Namath and against him, it is pretty easy to understand why he is in the HOF.
by Jeff I on Oct 10, 2009 3:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if he is a jet fan, he's not as assholeish as the rest\
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So your basing this off of his friends that played with him and the NY media?
Im am quite sure thats an objective group!
If I was a Jets fan I would be too ashamed to admit it too!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone talking about Namath always brings up “for the time…” What kind of stats were other QBs putting up then?
by PhininMinn on Oct 10, 2009 3:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Namath and Stats
One record he broke was passing for over 4,000 yards in one season. And this was for a 14-game season. I’m not sure how many times that has been done since then in 14 games but, at the time, it was significant from a statistical perspective.
That said, again I make the argument that it is not all about stats. Sandy Koufax won about 160+ games in his entire career. If someone who didn’t know him from that era based their opinions on his overall win total, they would be so off the mark that it would be comical.
by Jeff I on Oct 10, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok, well lets compare
Sonny Jurgensen (1957-1974)- 255 TDs and 189 INTs with 32,224 yrds
Otto Graham(1946-1955) 174 TDs and 135 INTs with 23,500 yrds…And this is with 114 starts as opposed to Namath’s 140
Johnny Unitas (1956-1973) 290 TDs and 253 INTs with 40,000+ yrds
Fran Tarkenton (1961-1978) 342 TDs and 266 INts with 47,000 yrds
All of these Qbs played in the same span of time but all of them have considerably much better statistics than Namath…
No excuses…Hes overrated!
by Ham420 on Oct 10, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Namath & Koufax
“that ain’t in the same ballpark, that aint even in the same league, shit, that ain’t even the same fucking sport!” – Jules Winfield from Pulp Fiction
by Ham420 on Oct 10, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ham
Nice stats ….. all of them. And I think they were all great QB’s. One thing, though, how many of them led their team to a Super Bowl win (Graham excluded, obviously, since he retired before there was a Super Bowl).
by Jeff I on Oct 10, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Tarkenton and Jurgensen did not
but Johnny U won Super Bowl V with the Colts…And also, the Dolphins Bob Griese had more TDs(192) and less INTs(172) than Namath and he also led the team to two Super Bowls
by Ham420 on Oct 10, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win/Loss....
has nothing to do with time or year….just leadership..he was bad at it apparently.
if ur comparing pitchers to qbs ur totally of base…thats not proving ur point here.
’
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win/Loss isn't all about leadership....
It also depends on the team you’re on. If you can’t run the ball, or your defense can’t stop your opponent, it doesn’t matter how good of a QB you are, just ask Marino and Moon.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep telling yourself that
he had plenty to work with….Super Bowl favorite teams that finished 3-11 his last few years….
bottom line is…NO QUARTERBACK THAT HAS A WELL BELOW .500 WIN/LOSS RECORD….AND THROWS MANY MORE INTS THAN TDS SHOUD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME…EVER.
It aint the god damn Hall of Good or tried hard…..Its for the best of the best…its a joke Joe Namath is in it….and talked about as an all time great.
I dont really care what ur brother or friend tells you….numbers dont lie…and its not like he won lots…he got lucky 1 time where his defense played well
Should Trent Dilfer be in the Hall of Fame because he won a super bowl 1 lucky year?
Your arugement has no backup…its all..TRUST ME stuff….ignornant
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, now I know where you got your stats from......wikipedia.
By their numbers he played in 188 games. Yet NFL.com says he only played in 140, as well as pro-football reference, and sporthaven.com. His record was 62-63-4. Not .500, but not well below either. You might want to double check your stats, or at least go to a reputable site for statistics.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone knows wikipedia isnt reliable...
i looked at it…but i also looked at 3-5 other places that came up on google search…so how do they all have the same mistakes?
even that sucks….and his passing totals are horendous…we all can agree on that
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't vouch for sites I can't see for myself.
www.NFL.com
www.pro-football-reference.com
www.sporthaven.com
sports.jrank.org (shows 146 games)
These are the top ones that came up when I searched on google, and all but one say 140 games.
Yes, his passing stats aren’t stellar, but I don’t think they’re horrendous either. When he retired in 1977, he was the record holder for most yards passing in a season. Sure it doesn’t mean much to us now, but I’m sure it helped him out when voting time came around.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One years stats do not make a career!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But obviously the HOF voters of 1985 would disagree with you.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still a subjective thing!
There are guys in the HOF that have no business being there and others that should be there that are not.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true story
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to mention the 3 TD passes he threw to get to the Super Bowl
As well as winning AFL rookie of the year, Super Bowl MVP, 4 AFL All Star games, and AFL MVP. So obviously someone thought he was doing something right. I realize most of this was during the late 60’s in the AFL, but he battled knee injuries throughout the 70’s.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats a hollow argument.
There are plenty of guys that have won the superbowl that will never sniff the HOF. There are also all time greats like Marino that have no Superbowl wins but EVERYONE agrees belongs in the HOF>
Work on your arguments there brother!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Namath overrated...I reach the same conclusion
when last year I studied his stats, which really are pretty poor for a HOFer…the only reason he’s an HOFer is because of the “guarantee”. End of Story! Even my brother, who IS a Jets fan, thinks the way I do, and he used to watch Namath on TV all the time back in late 60s.
I thought he was cool until he started doing panty-hose commercials.
by snorky on Oct 10, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
namath sux
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved it. Great! Recd !
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
As usual the R&R Xpres is non stop to its next destination !
Driver of the Camarillo, Hartline & Bess fan club bus.. hop on and enjoy the ride!
We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
CP10 you will be missed. Long live noodle arm ! Seriously, a great leader and I hope we see Coach CP10
by MainePhinFan on Oct 10, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree he was overrated, but not the most overrated.
I’m not sure where you got your stats from. I’m showing him only playing in 140 games. His win/loss was 62-63-4. The biggest problem with your argument is that you’re not putting it into context. Namath’s last season was 1977, remember this was years before the west coast offense made it’s debut in the NFL. So the people you should be comparing him to should be QBs from his time (ie. Griese, Bradshaw, Tarkenton, Unitas, Starr, Staubach, and Stabler) You also failed to mention how he ranked the years he played. 7 of 13 years – top 10 in passes completed. 8 of 13 years – top 10 passing yards (6 of those top 5). First QB to pass for over 4000 yards. 7 of 13 years – top 5 TD passes. That crappy passer rating you mentioned? From 65-69, his rating was never higher than 75, yet it was still in the top 5 in the league. So while he doesn’t have comparable stats by todays standards, they were pretty good stats back then.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
First of all I looked at many sites for my info…and they all gave me the same numbers…so i dunno where you got urs.
Above someone posted QBs of the same eras numbers….MUCH better.
So in his time…..did not winning football games make him a HOF’er?
220 picks….any….era……that…..sucks.
I actually am amazed….I just did some deeper looking into his stuff….this same article has been written like 50 times lol. If i woulda seen that i wouldnt have written this …oh well.
You wanna blame losses and interceptions on the era…go ahead. Plenty of guys playing around the same time didnt suck as bad
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
220 picks in any era sucks?
So you would apply that tag to Blanda, Marino, Favre, Elway, Unitas, Moon, and Tarkenton? I’m not blaming the era for losses and INTs, I’m simply stating you should compare him to players in his own era for your argument. As for the other QBs mentioned above, Otto Graham was not during Namath’s time, so you have 3 QBs with better stats during his time. That makes him suck? For every guy you can name that had better stats than Namath during his career, I can name you at least 5 that were worse.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you can name some that are worse? How does that back up your argument
that Namath did not suck?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha exactly
Joe Namath may have been average…thats being nice
If they didnt throw so much….HOW THE HELL DO YOU GET PICKED OF 220 TIMES?
yes….when u play 13 seasons….and throw 220 picks….that sucks.,…if you do that you better back it up with double that many tds and some big time wins u lead ur team to
once again….you have nothing to back up ur arguement that he is an ALL TIME GREAT. dont prove to me he didnt completely suck…tell me why hes a hall of famer.
Phinsider Hall of Fame Class of 09' / 2-Time 09' Matty Award Winner
by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its always been a basic belief of the NFL that even a decent QB will
have more TD’s than INT’s. This dude is 47 in the negative. Thats friggin terrible.
I vote for he sucks!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So by your basic belief....
These HOFers should not be in the HOF
George Blanda (-41)
Jim Finks (-33)
Y.A. Tittle (-6)
Norm Van Brocklin (-5)
Bobby Layne (-47)
Bob Waterfield (-31)
Sammy Baugh (-16)
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may have got me when I forgot to state during the modern era.
The modern era as defined by most as the time following the merger (1966) till now. Had you used your own criteria that you have brought up so many times here then I doubt any of those QB’s could even be considered.
George Blanda did play in the modern era but was not always a QB especially towards the end of his career. Anyone who last 26 years in the NFL is going to get voted in the the HOF based if on nothing else longevity.
Jim Finks was not voted in based on what he did as a player but as an administrator. Big swing and miss there brother.
Y.A. played from 48 to 64.
N.V.B. played from 49 to 60.
Bob Layne played from 48 to 62.
Bob Waterfield played from 45 to 52.
Sammy Baugh played from 37 to 52.
And the star of our argument Broadgay Joe played from 65 to 77. All but one out of 12+ years in the modern era.
Unfortunatly despite your poor argument he still sucks!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Modern era or not, a forward pass is a forward pass is it not?
That actually strengthens my argument as to how the selection process has changed over the years. Sure, by todays standards half the players in the HOF wouldn’t make it in. But in 1985, when the west coast offense was just starting to blossom and passing stats were going through the roof most of the voters were still old school vets. So he probably got more votes than he should have based on his moxie and one great season because it was more impressive back then.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was compared to a bunch of guys in his era that no one
really thinks of as special in anyway and he still came up short.
Your argument fails to hold water. Sorry, but it is what it is!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me then....
Before 1979, how many QB’s had thrown for over 4000 yards?
How many of those guys that no one thinks of as special, held NFL records or boldly guaranteed they would win the Super Bowl against a heavy favorite?
Your missing the point of my argument again. I’m not defending Namath as an all time QB, or even as a great QB. But I do think he was better than what his stat line reads. Most of you should realize stats don’t tell the whole story, otherwise we’d all be calling Ronnie Brown a bust.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One years stats do not make a career!
Your beating a dead horse! I give you props for continuing to argue when you are having your ass handed to you by the facts! I guess I just question why?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again I refer you to the HOF voting committee of 1985.
They were looking at the same facts you see before you, and they still saw enough to vote him in.
Here’s a little test for you.
4 QBs avgs per year, 2 are HOFs, 2 aren’t. If you were voting, which 2 would you pick?
1. 2009 yards, 15/15 TD/INT, 51.9 comp %, 70.9 rating
2. 2390 yards, 14/11 TD/INT, 55.4 comp %, 78.5 rating
3. 2708 yards, 17/13 TD/INT, 57.0 comp %, 81.8 rating
4. 2869 yards, 16/15 TD/INT, 58.8 comp %, 80.2 rating
No fair cheating, just pick based on the facts available. Which two of these are HOF worthy?
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would go with 3 and 4
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have selected....
Boomer Esiason (3) and Dan Fouts (4) as HOF worthy, and Terry Bradshaw (1) and Phil Simms (3) as unworthy of the HOF. My point being, just looking at stats plainly, without any insight to how a guy played first hand will lead to misguided judgements about them.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well i would also like to factor in win/losses and SB
-"No excuses, No explanations"
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again I fail to see where your going with this.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude you tried to use a guy against me in an
argument that was voted to the HOF based on what he did as a GM. At that point your argument lost all validity as far as I am concerned.
Bottom line, based on what he accomplished vs his reputation he is the most overated player I have ever seen. I cant find any reason to argue with the argument that rz made with the post to begin with. Was he the worst QB ever? No but nor was that the argument.
Anyway I have tired of this argument so good luck finding someone that you can get to agree with!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you tried telling me there's a difference..
between a QB throwing more INTs than TDs in the 40’s and 50’s than there was in the 60’s. But I was nice enough to overlook that. I admit the list I referenced for the HOF had all members so I erred with one of my 7 picks. I was simply stating I don’t believe he’s the most overated, nor was he as bad as everyone was making him out to be.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol smart ppl fight
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep me and sam out of it
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 11, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dang, get em tcp!!
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 11, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL I was only trying to inform!
Thats all I ever hope to do!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he was an all time great.
I wouldn’t even put him in the top 50 QB’s of all time, and I agreed with you that he’s overated. I just don’t think he’s the most overated player in the history of the NFL. I honestly don’t know many people who would even say Namath is an all time great. I only argued that you should have compared him to QBs of his time, based his HOF credentials against theirs, and he wasn’t horrible. As for my own opinion on whether he desreved to get into the HOF. I don’t think he desreved it, but he was a media darling, and he had decent enough stats before the west coast offense bloated passing statistics.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is that he is WAY overated due to the bias of the
media led by the mostly NY based media at the time. I think if you read through all the comments that you would have to concede that he was compared to several QB’s of his time and yet it still shows that he sucks!
Furthermore I think one of the main points that he was trying to make was that the Jets fans hold this guy up like some sort of god that other QB’s should be compared to. This further going to prove what fucktard assclowns that entire bunch is! I can personally think of about a hundred guys I would rather my QB pattern his game after. All of this also does not overshawdow that the guy was a walking clown then and a walking joke now!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because you're basing your opinion on several QBs better than him,
when in reality there were many more who he had much better stats than.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So since some guys suck more this somehow validates his career?
Once again you really need to work on your arguments!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously missed the point I was conveying.
I was pointing out, there are fewer players better than him, than there were worse than him during his time. The guy was the first QB in the NFL to throw for over 4000 yards, and no one did it again until 13 years later.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
thats 1 season dude. i can agree with you if you say he is just overated….maybe not most overated of all time….maybe someone else is more overated…but he was bad…ALL AROUND BAD
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given the pub and how great we have all heard he was for all these
years I believe that he may be the MOST overated of all time. Its not like we are saying that others were not overated just that the hype to actual production ratio is more out of wack with J.N. than anyone else.
I really can not see where the argument is!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Agrees
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/alltimeoverrated.html
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know where you get ur numbers...or logic.
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/alltimeoverrated.html
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
loved it. and rec'd it.
I think you should make a “Most Overrated Players” a segment.
Don't question my fandominium.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 10, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, i never realized how crappy he really was
great job
by finzrule on Oct 10, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More....
Among those quarterbacks whose career somewhat overlapped with Namath, his quarterback quarterback rating is much much worse than Hall of Famers Roger Staubach, Len Dawson, Sonny Jurgensen, Bart Starr, Fran Tarkenton, John Unitas. But he also lags behind Frank Ryan, Bob Berry, Don Meredith, Roman Gabriel, Earl Morrall, Craig Morton, Greg Landry, Darryl Lamonica, John Brodie, the oft mentioned Milt Plum, Billy Kilmer, Bill Munson, Bill Nelsen, Charley Johnson, Tom Flores, John Hadl, James Harris, Archie Manning and Jim Hart. He ranks 163rd all time in quarterback rating — and there are only 211 quarterback who threw enough passes to even qualify.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can argue a QBs win loss record is not representative of his skills...
but you cant agrue his td/int numbers….or ranks.
Joe Namath = Overated….most ever.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
omg rizzy.. prolly best post uve ever posted
i wish i could rec it 100 times lol.
btw i would say post this on gang grene but ur banned. i understand i got banned from buffalo ramblings by telling them to all screw themselves after they blew it to to NE week 1
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Oct 10, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted a link to this before I was banned yesterday and its still up!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
i was expecting at least some half hearted debate….i get 1 jets fan that not even willing to admit hes a jets fan trying to tell me namath just is overated as hell…not THE MOST EVER lol
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now I'm a Jets fan?
You really do have an overactive imagination.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not you....
the other dude.
i see ur profile….ur not a jets fan.
settle down…..its gonna be ok
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL your getting Luvs2drnk all fired up there!
Good times.
Thats what you get Luvs2drnk for not reading all the comments.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read it, just forgot.
As the name implies, my short term memory is shot.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may explain several of your comments.
Dont feel too bad, your not the only one around here with that problem.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks...
i was waiting for thsi game to post something on this….i looked up the numbers and all….but after a few ppl have asked for more evidence we sucked….i found out this was a MUCH COVERED subject…apprently im not the only person who has though bout this lol
yea its funny this post that took me 30 minutes gets more recs than my ITM lol
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i always knew he was a drunken horny piece of crap
not the first jet, but didnt realize how bad his numbers were. u showed me the light. and for that, i am grateful
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Oct 10, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fellas
i think we have established that Mr. Namath is nauseatingly overrated, at this point you guys are nitpicking and are becoming redundant…JOE NAMATH WAS FUCKING TERRIBLE OVER HIS CAREER (regardless if he had a great season or two) and he had trouble winning…seems like he only made the HOF cause he played in NY and the media had his back
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
EVERYONE know that the media is all based in NY and there has always been a NY media bias. How he bacame the darling of a city based on one year I will never understand. How long would that have stood up in Miami? Not very long bacause we have actual standards by which to judge it by!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he prob woulda been done here after his 2nd or 3rd yr lol
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-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah because by then we would have had a couple of guys that were better.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm almost everybody in the league was better than him
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its obvious
you cant have your cake and eat it too.
either your a huge stats guy….whose team lost most games despite your performance
or
your a leader who just knows how to win…and your stats dont tell the whole story.
YOU CAN’T
have shitty ass stats….AND….a losing record….and be regarded as a top 100 player.
thats like saying JaMarcus Russell is REALLY REALLY REALLY GOOD….trust me….i know we havent seen it ……but trust me.
Why? He loses and his stats look bad. He shouldnt make the ProBowl more less the Hall of Fame.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where Marino fits in
Marino was a great because he made his team better than it was…the Phins finished under .500 once or twice at most while he was here
He won a lot…not the big one…but a lot…in spite of his terrible team surrounding him. no name runnibacks for a decade…and horrible defenses for many years.
all he needed was his olines protection…and some wideouts…and shit was on.
Joe Namath is known for a guarantee…and it snowballed into a mountain of bullshit.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 10, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree ny sux
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to argue thinking that he was better then that but
after reading your post you sold me. This guy was worse then Jay Fiedler. I am honestly shocked he was so bad. I am 26 so I never watched him play but goodness he was just not that good. Thanks for educating me. Go phins!
by qbinfin on Oct 10, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious how you rate theses QBs RZ....
Joe Montana
Terry Bradshaw
Tom Brady
Steve Young
Kurt Warner
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL Dude your still here?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
12 hour shift work can get tediously boring at times.
Healthy debating helps pass the time.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
What part of losing record…..220 picks…..6 wins a year averae DONT you understand?
Put away your Jets cock n balls geesh
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm, I was just trying to get an opinion.
Damn, no need to get all defensive. Just tryin’ to get a little perspective. I understand, you don’t like Joe Namath, case closed.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 10, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need to be THAT harsh Rz, yeah Namath sucks, but a healthy debate is always good
even if Jets fans suck cock on a regular basis
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by Rytackle on Oct 10, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Right!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
BEATING….DEAD…..HORSE.
Im over it.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 10, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds fun, i wanna beat the horse
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by samdaman on Oct 10, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam, you in Miami now?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
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by samdaman on Oct 12, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good times!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very good times
i was thinking of u wen i was eatiing conch fritters and crabs
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by samdaman on Oct 13, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why I quit arguing with him. It became pointless!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 10, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post RZ!
Goo’d!
Outstanding!
Something I haven’t said lately:
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by Mosul_DolFan on Oct 10, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HELLZ YEA!
lol a tiny little Joe Namath hater post gets 16 rec’s…whats the rec’-ord lol
thanks man
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was kinda surprised when it got to 10, 11, 12 recs...
And it’s still going….
As for the record, the “I’m Going to _ Game” post is the records holder with 26….
The second place is Joe Namath – The most overated player in NFL history with 20.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Oct 11, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty posts dont count!
SHENANIGANS!!!
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. I don't think you can break the record on a technicality.
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by Mosul_DolFan on Oct 11, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
I always knew he was overrated, Jets fans get all pissed when you tell them that.
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 11, 2009 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jets fans get all pissed when they try to read too
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when they TRY to read
most of them can’t…or spell lol
-"No excuses, No explanations"
-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 11, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think anyone over there could spell. What a joke that blog is!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha well done RZ as always brotha
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by el presidente 00 on Oct 11, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezy
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i feel like a stranger to this site now
when is peezy ever the 240th comment? damn…
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by el presidente 00 on Oct 11, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
step it up peeshizzle
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me or the joey porter peezy?
i think both
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by el presidente 00 on Oct 11, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezyyy!!!!!!
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-Pennington is a hand tuxedo
-Matty's new assistant
by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 11, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats up man? its been a week or two haha
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by el presidente 00 on Oct 11, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think longer bro
how ya been?
i’ve been good, busy with a bunch of different stuff lol
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 11, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah ive been busy lately too lol
hopefully we’ll get some more CKCs up, id try to get there
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by el presidente 00 on Oct 11, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was one last night lol
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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Oct 11, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn 18 rec's!
Thanks for the love!
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FYI Twitter peeps
Follow me at @rizzmiggizz on Twitter.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Broadway Joe was great.....
because he was a winner and a character at a time when the NFL embraced characters. Not like today when the NFL would rather employ robots.
Namath won games, sometimes on his sheer will alone. Well not alone, but as a leader of the offense. Forget the stats, he was good. Namath, Bradshaw, and Kenny “The Snake” Stabler were all winning QBs who deserve to be included as greats. They were the “bad boys” of the NFL at a time when QBs didn’t wear skirts. Bad boys who went in, ran their offense their way, pissing off their coaches but winning or losing games after giving their all. They usually won more than they lost.
Yes Namath was a Jet, but that was before the Jets were relevant to the Dolphins. So at least give him his due.
by OPhinions on Oct 11, 2009 2:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go back and look at the stats.
I have met Bradshaw and hes a total asshole but he still does not deserve to be compared to Broadgay Joe. Did you read the post and the following comments?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Forget the stats, he was good
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't let facts get in the way of an opinion lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah be damned the facts.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats like saying
Jay Feeley… forget the stats
forget the ints
forget the fumbles
forget the blown games
forget crying after getting hit
..was good.
your gonna have to give me more than that bro lol
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by BSerious72 on Oct 11, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how hilaarious
i’ll be honest i werent around when he was playing but looking at those numbers, he sounded like one of those old guys that people bring in to their team to back up their quaterback and the sole reason that player would be on the team is simply because he has experience, players like brad johnson or vinny testurverde. why was he such a legend, god only knows
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by .mg on Oct 11, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
Thus why hes OVERATED!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Extremely overrated.
Namath is merelly another product of the famed New York Media Machine.
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by Farorefox on Oct 11, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exatly! And forever everyone has just bought it and drank the Kool-Aid!
NEVER dring the Kool-Aid!
Too many people do not understand how much influence the NY media bias has. Wake up people!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez is swimming in Kool-Aid
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by Farorefox on Oct 11, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That whole fan base over there is drunk on it!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they really are
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by samdaman on Oct 12, 2009 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marino Would Say Namath Was An HOF QB
This argument is such BS because it is mostly based on a Jets vs. Dolphins agenda and most of the posters were probably not born when Namath was in his prime years. Marino himself has said that Namath was his idol when he was a young QB growing up in Western Pennsylvania. The people who were around at that time and following football understand Namath’s greatness. Throw all the stats out that you want but ….. I would bet that 90% of the players, sportswriters and fans of that era would rate Namath over Fran Tarkenton, Len Dawson, Don Meredith, Griese and others. This is the reason internet boards tend to be so superficial and specious ……. a lot of ill-informed posters who make unequivocal statements based on no real knowledge of a given person, issue, etc.
by Jeff I on Oct 11, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats a bunch of crap...
1st of all….ESPN agrees.
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/alltimeoverrated.html
Second of all….I could care less if Marino idolized him – I have idolized some shitty players in my bad as well.
His record is poor….ALL of his stats are below average….and he is most known for a game he didnt even play well in.
Until you have concrete stuff….other than “Everyone would say” or “This is BS”…then we dont have much to talk about.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some concrete stuff for ya'.
At least 80% of the 1985 HOF voting committee voted Namath in.
(Not sure how many voters there were at that time, but by the current formula it would have been at least 39 voters. One from each city with an NFL franchise, and 11 at large members)
So that would imply a diverse group of media, with what would assume would be a fairly abundant amount of football acumen, deemed his accomplishments worthy of enshrinement.
His box score for the SB was 17-28, 206 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 83.3 rating. Which at the time, was actually considered a good game.
As for ESPN agreeing with you, I doubt everyone at ESPN agrees with you, but definitely the writer Jeff Merron does.
And those are my final thoughts about this, I promise ; )
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
17-28 200 yards....MVP of the game?
You guys act like the field was 25 yards back then…..i see lots of passes…..and lots of interceptions. Lots of games….and more losses than wins……lots of chances to will his team to victory….and lots of fails.
Under .500. Crappy stats. Overated to me. He by no means should be considered a great – give him the Hall of Fame for being a part of the game growing more popular, fine – but dont tell me he was an alltime great player.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said rz!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I agree with you.
I don’t think he was an all time great, nor have I ever said he was. Overated, yes. Most overated ever, not IMO, but that’s only because I don’t know many people who think he was an all time great.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hall of Fame
to me is the reason most just put him up there….once you get that behind ur name…younger people just go with you lit shit up. he didnt…hes famous for 1 game and it turns out he wasnt even that needed or that good in that game.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One interesting little tidbit....
The Colts probably would have won that game if not for Earl Morrall and his 3 INTs. Unitas didn’t play the whole game.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unitas
was actually pretty terrible in his Super Bowl win vs Dallas too.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unitas was still great
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by samdaman on Oct 12, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
But Earl Morrall is the man…because he kept our Perfect Season going when Griese was out with a broken ankle!
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by Mosul_DolFan on Oct 11, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no talking shit about Earl.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its based on the fact that he was long gone from the game before
a lot of us were alive or old enough to realize it but we have all heard how great he was at some point. Everyone has seen the guarentee and been told what a hero he was. When you see the facts you like holy shit thats this guy that everyone holds up. I think a lot of it has to do with NY and the fact that hes the greatest player the Jets have ever had. No wonder they are all so bitter over there.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
going off on a tangent..
I agree that he’s probably not the MOST overrated (probably most overhyped though, but that’s just symantics at this point). What I’m interested in is this: Who do you think is the MOST overrated player of all-time?
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure this will start a whole nother debate, but it's actually a tie between..
Joe Montana and Tom Brady
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
Montana, to me, wasn’t overrated so much as he was one of the rare players that was absolutely PERFECT for the system he played in. I think every good player has a offense that would fit them like a glove and elevate them to a HOF-level player, and Montana was one of those who got lucky and played in that system. It also turned out to be a very good system. Take one part very good player, one part very good system, you end up with a HOFer. I think in another offense, he may not have been AS good, but he was still one of the best.
Brady is a tough one, because up until 2007, nobody would’ve said he was a “system QB,” then he has his best year in a pass-happy system, and the team goes 11-5 the next year WITHOUT him, and suddenly he’s being called overrated and a “system QB.” Also, his career stats in Super Bowls, 100-155, 65% (actually BETTER than his career average), 7 TD’s, and 1 INT. He put those stats up in 2 different systems. He may be a product of great teams and great players around him, but him and Billy B are the only constants in those 4 Super Bowls, and he performed GREAT in all of them.
I think both of them are a little overrated, but that’s mostly because they seen as larger-than-life legends, and NOBODY can live up to that. Both of them were all-timers though..
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed! Part good system+part good player=HOF
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've always thought Brady was a System QB.
I’ve thought that since 2003-2004. How could it be two different systems, when one of the constants you named is the guy who designed the system? Brady is most successful when you give him 5 WR sets, that spreads the defense out, and creates a weaker pass rush. Hell, Matt Cassell directed almost the same offense to 11-5 (only major subtraction was Stallworth).
The reason I say Montana, is not because I don’t think he was a good QB. He was. But I think he gets more credit than he deserves. The guy played with Jerry Rice, John Taylor, Roger Craig, and Dwight Clark for almost his whole career! Yet he never threw for over 4000 yards, ever. But he seems to get all the credit for the 4 SBs they won. He played with 4 HOF players, and had 2 HOF coaches. He gets labeled the best QB ever becuase of the team he played for. How many SB do you think Marino would have won with the same team? Substitute Testaverde or Kosar with Montana with that team, and I think you’d get similar results.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marino would have cleaned up.
Imagine what Marino would have done with todays rules.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually the rules haven't changed since Marino played.
Although the 5 yard chuck rule is enforced a little more strictly nowadays.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole way the rules are enforced downfield have
changed and it has had a huge effect on the passing numbers around the league.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since the 5 yard chuck rule was established...
It was only brought up to the refs to enforce it more strictly once during Marino’s tenure (1994). The other time was in 2004 or 2005. So it had very little effect on his career.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 12, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belichick didn't design the offensive system
He won 3 Super Bowls under Charlie Wies’ offense, and he went undefeated and almost won the Super Bowl under McDaniels system. Two COMPLETELY different offenses.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Weis may have been the OC, but I still think it was Belichick's system.
I’m also fairly certain McDaniels probably made no changes to it when he took over.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear stories about New England...
Apparently Bellicheck is a major control freak, and dominates every aspect of life for the Patriots. Ever wonder why everyone (excluding McDaniels) sucks after leaving N.E.? Its cause they are there just for effect.
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by Farorefox on Oct 11, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
watch the way they played. NE was more of a balanced team during the Super Bowl wins, and Brady did more Play Action. The reason he NEVER put up 07-like numbers before was because he was never given that kind of ferrari to drive around. Before, they had a good D, decent weapons on offense, and put long drives together based around running the ball well and having Brady pick up key 3rd downs and get chunks throwing the ball. In 07, they put him in the Shotgun, gave him 4-5 WR’s every single play, and let him work. Belichick of course has his hand in the offense, but for the most part, it was 2 different systems.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
montana was great
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by samdaman on Oct 12, 2009 7:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But still not at the same level as Marino.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not even close
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by samdaman on Oct 13, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still not buying is.
Based on what I use to think of Namath (based on reputation) without looking at all the numbers I would have probably voted for him as well. Knowing what I know and comparing him to others of his era the fact just do not live up to the hype. He is this still the most overated guy I can think of.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
lol
Facts 1 – Jets Fans 0
Bottom line, Namath was overrated. End-o-story. Look it up. A lot of ill-informed fanboys still think he was an all-time great based on “The Guarantee.” Those of us who actually study the history of the game and it’s greatest players fail to see what made Namath so great. 4,000 yards in a season is impressive. Completing only 52% of your passes and throwing 28 INT’s to only 26 TD’s in that same year? Not so impressive anymore. Also, to put that “4,000 yard” stat in perspective, he led the league in pass attempts by 64 (two full games worth). They were also 8-5-1 that year (meh). The following year, he threw 111 LESS PASS ATTEMPTS, STILL threw 2 more INT’s than TD’s (17-15), and completed less than 50% of his passes (to be fair, the top 10 QB’s that year all completed lower than 50% of their passes). Since he was actually above-average that year completion percentage-wise (at least for that season), I compared it to 1972 (a year he completed exactly 50%, his career average) and of the top 10 QB’s in completions that year, 8 of the 10 were above 50%, including Ken Anderson (a rookie). The two that weren’t? Jim Plunkett, and Joe Namath.
Namath was DEFINITELY not the worst QB of all-time, and he’s probably better than 60-70% of QB’s that played the game, but he belongs nowhere NEAR a list of all-time greats. Regardless of what the media and the HOF voters thought, you are judged by your win/loss record, your stats, and your performance in big games. Namath, in all 3 categories, was average at best. For his era, for all-time, just average. And with the hype he got, and still gets, as an all-time great, deserving to be mentioned in the same breath as Montana, Elway, Marino and the like, he’s one of the most overrated players of all-time. End-o-story.
I rec’d the hell out of this RZ. Once Matty allows me to rec more than once (still waiting, Matty) I’m recing it again lol. Well done.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw
the 4,000 yard season was the year BEFORE they won the Super Bowl. Their recipe for a Super bowl was 111 LESS pass attempts..
soo… Less Namath = More Success lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points Nicky!
Average maybe. Slightly above average yes. Great? Not even close.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANKS!
The day I heard some of these stats on the radio – I was like “WHAT?!”. I knew lots of people must be like me – and just assumed the guy was dominant. Im 30….so i can imagine like a 20 yr old just going along with it even more.
Nobody shows you the picks and losses…all you see is a finger in the air…and it turns out he was mehhhh that whole game too
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
gotta say up until a few years ago I was a Namath-zombie, as you called it lol. The more I learned about the guy, the less I was impressed with him. Has nothing to do with him being a Jet, just that he was fairly mediocre, for his time or any time. I won’t say he was terrible, just really doesn’t belong in the same breath as TRUE all-timers
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hence the "Overated" tag I placed
A few years ago you ask me to run off the greatest qb’s of all-time…after i get past Marino…Montana….Elway…..blah….blah….I woulda said Namath def…
now NO WAY. Why would i? All i got is facts to go on….
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Johnny U = all-time great. He played in the same era, yet his win/loss record was 118-64-4, he was a career 55% passer, and he had 37 more TD’s (290) than INT’s (253). He was also pretty horrible in his Super Bowl win (3-9, 88 yards, 2 INT’s, and a 75yd TD).
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I think i said that cuz i just had watched the movie Zombieland….then i wrote this post….and i pictured ppl who just go along with hes one of the greats as those zombies…totally irrational. lol
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
one question though.. where did you find his career record?
Pro-football-reference.com (the most reliable site I’ve come across for football stats) has him at 62-63-4. You might have the overall record of his TEAMS during his career, not necessarily the record in games he played. He can’t really get a win/loss if he wasn’t in lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
i googled it….i looked a few places and they all had this….i even looked at some other article written about this subject afterwards…and they too have the record i have.
u know me….i never look for stats…so i didnt know about u guys n your nerdy little stat sites lol.
i think maybe this one is everything. presaeason…playoffs….all of it.
im over it anyway…they say hes 1 under 500….to me thats less game…and that means he threw that many picks in that few games? omfg
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only site I could find with the same win/loss he got was wikipedia.
Both pro-football-reference and NFL.com have him playing in 140 games.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
220 picks in 140 games
wow
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that stat actually looks worse with his REAL win/loss record than with the one from wiki lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf dude?
Thats 1 1/2 picks a damn game!
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats outrageous.
With that many turnovers that he caused no wonder his win loss record sucked.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt know about those sites...
what i got was probally from something that just used wiki then…
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
possibly
just bookmark pro-football-reference.com and use it for everything. I LOVE that site
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see it now.
its the budunkadonk site for stats i see
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's awesome
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a great site.
Easy to navigate and it has EVERYTHING!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As far as ill-informed posters I would put most of the people that post on here
on a regular basis up against just about any blog out there. A lot of the conventional so called wisdom of the time was influnced but the NY media bias. Thus most of your argument holds very little water. I had a couple of other points but rz beat me to them.
Work on your argument a bit more before attempting to make it next time!
Have a nice day!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fran Tark is the Shiz...
Knowshon Moreno is actually the illegitimate chocolate son of Dan Marino. Its true!!!
Bring Marino back from retirement!!!
by Farorefox on Oct 11, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey brother, make sure your using the reply botton so people know what your responding to.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just throwing things out.
Knowshon Moreno is actually the illegitimate chocolate son of Dan Marino. Its true!!!
Bring Marino back from retirement!!!
by Farorefox on Oct 11, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poll Says 100%
And if its on the Internet, it must be true.
Knowshon Moreno is actually the illegitimate chocolate son of Dan Marino. Its true!!!
Bring Marino back from retirement!!!
by Farorefox on Oct 11, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And because of how you phrased the poll question I even voted yes.
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol..i was just wondering that..he was overated...WE ALL AGREE!! maybe not most ever though...even though i think he is/was
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 11, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But even thats just splitting hairs.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
just read a list on bleacherreport.com (horrible) that has LT, TO, Ray Lewis, and Vince Young in the top 10 overrated players. Ridiculous. LT is one of the best RB’s of all-time. Ray Lewis, likewise as a LB. Vince Young is rated very accurately by most NFL fans (he sucks), and TO, like him or not, is 2nd all-time in TD receptions (aka 1st all-time in the non-Jerry Rice WR record category).
IMO, the MOST overrated player of all-time Ted Ginn lol
no seriously, I really don’t know. Gotta think about this one, throw some suggestions out there.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just saw an interesting one
William Perry, overrated. I agree. Discuss
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Token Fat Guy
Another example of people thinking that “just cause you are big, you must be good as well.” He was merely popular, specifically because of his size. Namath is popular due to his personality. Neither on real accomplishments.
Knowshon Moreno is actually the illegitimate chocolate son of Dan Marino. Its true!!!
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by Farorefox on Oct 11, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another guy that is remembered for one season and one superbowl.
That reminds me of one of the biggest shameful mistakes ever by a coach in the history of the Superbowl. They fed that fat bastard the ball for a TD and Walter Peyton, one of the greatest all time players in the NFL never got a TD in that one Superbowl in which he played. I always thought Ditka was an ass for that. He did it when they already had the game in pocket and he should have been trying to get Peyton a TD in the Superbowl not trying to get some fat side show a TD. What an ass.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some suggestions...
Andre Rison, Jeff George, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, and Terry Bradshaw
by luvs2drnk on Oct 11, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick is definitely in the top 5 on this list
the guy has forever been hyped as some great player, when in reality, he was fast, and a fairly terrible QB.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 11, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
current
most overrated- Tony Romo. THIS GUY IS AWFUL!!!
Cowboys actually got a really good team and Romo blows it in every one of there losses. Listen up Jerry, u want to make the plaoyffs (finally?) start Kitna. Or don’t, actually i hope you don’t because I hate your stinking OVERRATED team anyway.
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Oct 11, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Romo was much, much better under Parcels.
The team is now run like a damn country club. There has been no discipline since Parcels left. They are by far the most underachiving team in the league. If you think he is overrated then you have never heard the fans around here in DFW. He is blasted daily on the news and all day long on sports talk radio. He may be overrated somewhere else but not in his home town.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of the Fans like him...
The media and Jerry Jones are the ones propping him up as a stud. People who don’t study their football and listen to the braindrain think he is good. And unfortunately, the majority of the country thinks he is good, and is stunned when he “under performs” which is actually how he normally performs.
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by Farorefox on Oct 12, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the Dallas media!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a great post this turned out to be RZ!
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by Mosul_DolFan on Oct 11, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright my Dad is a HARDCORE Dolphins fan, no doubt
and he HATES the Jets with HUGE passion. But he was around during Namath’s time and he says that it wasn’t about Joe’s numbers that makes him a HoFer. It’s what he did for the league. Think about it, the NFL was not always the massive super power of sports that it is now. Namath helped put it on the map with his antics. Now I don’t think that that warrents a HoF induction, and I certainly agree that he is overratted, BUT if he helped the league in ANY kind of way to get it to the sport that we know and love today, then I think he gets a LITTLE bit of credit in my book. BTW, Jets fans still think that he is good. What a bunch of dougetards.
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by Rytackle on Oct 11, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The original argument was that he was overated.
Maybe he promoted the game and based on that hes in the HOF but still does not change the argument.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 11, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's deffinetly overrated, I was just playing a little devil's advocate
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by Rytackle on Oct 12, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
douchetards for sure.
Laces out!
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by BSerious72 on Oct 12, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAKE THIS A SEGMENT!!!
I really enjoyed this and judging by your rec’s, everyone else did too.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 12, 2009 9:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A segment on Phinsider TV? lol
yea its enjoyable to point out on Jets week that their hero is actually a zero….
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL From hero to zero!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol no like your "ITM" segment. Like have an overrated players segment.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 12, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
broght to u by comcast
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by samdaman on Oct 13, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright guys!!!!
Time to get ready to head down to the stadium!!!!!
its my BDay,…..friend got me a White Peezy jersey…..look for me in the endzone lol
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 12, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOO...
orange jersey! white jersey bad!
lol
i’m just givin crap cause i’m jealous that i don’t live anywhere near florida and can’t go :(
Ted Ginn must go.
by afmo on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont own one of the sunkist jerseys
and im not wearing some pain orange shirt lol.
if it makes u feel better im wearing my orange phins hat i bought for the occasion.
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude you have got to wear orange.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT ABOUT THE ORANGE OUT
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by Rytackle on Oct 12, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy birthday brother! Phins bring RZ a nice birthday vicory!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LETS GET IT!!!
WIN AND WE ARE 1 GAME OUTTA 1ST
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im going too
and im wearing the same jersey!
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by samdaman on Oct 13, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RZ did you ever think that this post would blow up like this?
Just another example of the genius of RZ. The perfect post at the perfect time!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nawww
Basically i heard the Namath stats on the radio a few weeks back….all i heard was some guys make a remark “Yea…a qb thats under 500…hes overated” and i was like huh?! he was under 500? then i found out his stats blew horseballs….and i knew i had to bring this up during this week…..
the post took me basically the time it takes to drink a beer lol….i never thought it would get 22 recs…..
stop calling me a genius! lol….it totally devalues the word lol.
Again i thank everyone for the love! 22 ppl on the internet like me!!!
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 12, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Genius!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RZ you have to remember I spent time over at gang green this week.
While I do feel stupider for the experience it does make you sound like fucking Einstien!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 12, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOW BOUT THAT GAME RZ
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
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by Rytackle on Oct 13, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Rzayo...
I actually did a ton of reserach many years ago on why Namath was so overrated. Fact is that he was amazing in college but his knee injury really hampered his career. He still had an amazing arm, and tons of potential but so did/does Ryan Leaf. One of the HOF criteria is the dominance one has over his peers. This is crucial b/c it is so hard to compare players across generatation. So, to compare Namath with his peers he’s less than anything special.
: HOF Peers: Staubach, Griese, Bradshaw, Unitas, Dawson, Tarkenton, Bradshaw- You can’t argue with them:
Now tell me how Namath belongs in their company….. Half his non-HOF peers played better than him:
Ken Anderson, Ken Stabler, Roman Gabriel, Jurgenson, Frank Ryan, Don Mededith, Earl Morrall, Greg Landry, Norm Snead, Jim Hart, John Hadl, Bert Jones, Billy Kilmer, John Brodie…..
Namath wouldn’t play if he were on so of those other teams…..
NY MEDIA BULLSHIT!! Don’t get me started on Muhammed Ali either… A great fighter and champion but not “clearly” the “GREATEST”- He lost a lot of fights and went the distance with “NO BODIES”, all his major victories have some conrtoversy, and he rarely ever “dominated”….
Don’t beleive the Hype!!!!
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by NJDolphan68 on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh,,,and where is that sad Namath painting from...
I must have it! It brings me joy….
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by NJDolphan68 on Oct 13, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol...no idea...just a google image i found
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by Rzayo24 on Oct 13, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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