Dolphins in the red zone
by Matty I on Oct 6, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
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It's no secret that one of the issues the Dolphins had in their first three games was there production and efficiency once they got inside their opponents' 20 yard line. Entering Sunday's game, the Dolphins were only coming away with touchdowns on 50% of their red zone trips - while also turning the ball over on 25% of those trips.
But the Dolphins did an excellent job on Sunday against the Bills at getting into the endzone, converting 4 of their 5 red zone trips into touchdowns.
Their first red zone trip on Sunday probably got many fans worried. The Dolphins ran the ball twice, got sacked once, and settled for just a field goal. It looked as if it was going to be the same old story. But they quickly righted the ship, so to speak. And a big part of it was thanks to some good play-calling.
On their second red zone trip, for example, the Dolphins faced a 3rd & goal from the one yard line. In my opinion, I think the coaches already decided in their heads that they were going to go for it on 4th down, which allowed the Dolphins to take a chance and put the ball in the air. The pass was incomplete, but the Dolphins pounded it in with Ronnie Brown on the next play.
I also really loved the call on 1st & goal from Buffalo's 5 yard line on their next red zone trip - putting Brian Hartline in motion from left to right and then letting Chad Henne fling it out right towards the front pilon. It was a great play design, and an excellent throw and catch by Henne and Hartline.
Thanks to their performance against the Bills, the Dolphins are now converting 62% of their red zone trips into touchdowns - a very respectable figure. But the going will get a lot tougher next week when the Jets come to town. But hey - have no fear - the power of the orange jerseys will win out!
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the power of the orange jerseys will win out!
Absolutely
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at this game
I sat in the endzone where Chad threw the TD. After third down, I saw Henne waving his hand forward as if to signal to the coaching staff that he wanted to go for it. I’m not 100% that it was Henne’s call per se, but if it was, I like his guts and confidence in his offense
by SDefee on Oct 6, 2009 4:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
im dissapointed matty...
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im disappointed I gotta wait 6 more days til we kick the jets ass… again =)
by PhinsFan69 on Oct 6, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this post is braught to u by comcast and nfl redzone
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Dude give Matty a break!
Last time I checked none of us have to pay for this site.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
o would leave!
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i ment I aagain
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you would not! You would be lost!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would, but im sure as hell not paying!
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still dont buy it. You may put it off a few days and then you would
cave!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your probably right....
maybe i’d start my own sight
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by samdaman on Oct 7, 2009 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And your #1 rule would be that every long post also has to have a samory of it for you
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by PhinsTifosi on Oct 7, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets not let that happen Matty!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MNF
I think we all should think positive of course, but not get too upset if Monday is a loss.
The Saints have a pretty potent offense and only could score one touchdown against the JET defense. Unless we can continue our strong running game, it will be a long night for Chad. Not to mention containing their pass rush, which is essentially will look like the Ravens playoff game last year. Tough night ahead.
by oceantracks on Oct 6, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen...a tough draw indeed.
Drew Brees & Co. at home could only put up 10 on that Jet’s D…and the decisive difference in that game, which I saw a good part of on split screen was one sole thing:
turnovers: jets 4, saints 1
If we are to win, then we need to protect the football, have our D force mistakes (just like they did against buffalo), and have our running game going.
by Natalya on Oct 6, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Saints,
just like The Jets previous opponents, relies heavily on their passing game. While they do have a high ranking run game, it’s the result of teams taking Drew Brees out of the game and forcing NO to win by running.
Unlike The Patriots and Saints, Miami is a run-first team. The Jets aren’t even in the top 50% in run defense, but they will be trying to force Henne to win the game… fortunately, they are going to be very hard-pressed to contain The Wildcat without 8 guys in the box, if then. I don’t see The Jets keeping us out of the end zone like they did The Saints.
Now, let’s talk about The Jets offense… they are run first. What does our defense do better than any team except The Ravens? Stop the run. We are going to force Sanchez to win for them, and he laid a big fat goose egg against a New Orleans defense that looked pretty bad in weeks 1 & 2.
We should win this game.
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by joel311 on Oct 6, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except the Ravens? Have you seen Minnesota play?
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 6, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phins are #2 against the run so far this year. Ravens are #1 Vikings are #9
B’more is giving up 59.5 ypg
Phins – 61 ypg
Vikes – 89.5 ypg
Carolina – in last place is giving up 182.7 ypg (3x as many as Phins!)
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by PhinsTifosi on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure about Ravens?
I know they have the stats, but against Pats (not exactly a running team), the Ravens allowed Sammie Morris to really gash them, which was one reason Brady’s passing was so successful (just finished watching Ravens-Pats on NFL Game Replay).
Jets have played Texans (Slaton sucked in that game, but not because of what the Jets did), Pats (as I said not much of a rushing team), Saints (good but not great), and Titans (definitely a rushing team…but where is LenDale White?), and, other than Titans Chris Johnson, Jets have not faces any really outstanding runners…considering this, I’d say their rushing D is not much. Maybe because they blitz all the time (or 70%, I think is the stat).
If Fins play the way they did vs. Bills, PLUS strong pass protection, Fins will win. Period.
by snorky on Oct 6, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
I was going to put in parentheses (until they face us), but I couldn’t word it exactly right so I just dropped it. I definitely agree with you that The Ravens aren’t really as good at stopping the run as the numbers suggest… We could very well be #1 Rushing Offense & Defense this time next week. 8)
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by joel311 on Oct 7, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it will be a challenge
but i think if we play like we did against buffalo, minus o-line, we can win. The main challenge will be protecting henne. The jets have a good pass rush, and our o-line has looked like crap. We need to fix that, now. But, if we can put pressure on dirty sanchez, we’ll force him into mistakes, which our offense will take advantage of.
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i sat negate
the pass rush by doing some tosses out to ricky and ronnie in the flat and maybe some screens, which always seem to kill us.
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an idea!
Trade Ted Ginn for Braylon Edwards! True number 1 reciever whose just trying to punch his way out of Cleveland. There’s no question about Edwards talent. He’s a top 10 reciever in this league on talent wise. He just needs a change of scenary. As for Ginn, he goes back to his hometown. What you guys think?
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 6:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Ginn has much more talent than Beck...
so you can definitely get more than 2 marbles and a key chain for him.
Say, 5 marbles and 2 key chains for Ted Ginn :-)
Seriously, methinks Ted Ginn is not a hot commodity. Braylon Edwards, at one point impersonated a #1 receiver for a full season. Ted Ginn, at one point, impersonated a #1 receiver for…um, one game.
So I’d say Edwards has a bit more worth these days…
by Natalya on Oct 6, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
He’s been in headlines for the wrong reasons and he’s underperforming (not really his fault. His whole teams sucks!) and he’s a free agent after the year. Ginn’s value is equal to a 3rd round pick at this point and he still has upside. That’s more than enough for a guy like Edwards….
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, we need another receiver that drops passes....
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by Fr8Train on Oct 6, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atleast he can actually make plays after the catch.
He instantly be our biggest threat on offense not named Ronnie or Ricky. And he drops alot less passes than Ginn does.
So I don’t see your point?
The Browns WILL pull the trigger on this deal just for the simple fact that they don’t want to lose him for nothing after the season ends cause he’s already said in the past that there’s no chance he resigns with Cleveland.
And again, he just needs a change of scenary. I think he’d be alot better player with a new team.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 6:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Ginn for him straigh up.
Really, what do we have to loose?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol. Nothing. And neither does Cleveland. The love Ginn, he's a hometown guy.
I’ll tell you one person that would love this trade and that’s Brady Quinn. Quinn and Ginn ate BFF’s. Lol
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 6:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its best for both players.
Braylon has got to get out of Cle and Ginn is never going to live down the fact that he was a first round pick here. Maybe both players will be better and everyones happy.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, you make a strong point
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
edwards cant catch either!
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He caught 100 balls in one season. Something Ginn will never EVER do.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm, very tru
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Do it. Season & playoffs can still be salvaged.
by PhinFanatic on Oct 6, 2009 7:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone wanna go ask the Browns blog what they think? Lol
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone wanna go ask the Browns blog what they think? Lol
The trade would really help Henne and his progress. And for the Browns, there QB Anderson has a CANNON! He likes to go deep, and who better to throw the ball deep to than the fastest man in the league.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yea, u go check it out over there
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And report back!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just looks to me like the Browns just wants Braylon gone already.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 6:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I think your right. Trade for him and see if we can get anything out of him.
Sparano will straighten him out.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just needs some real coaching. Mangina isn't helping him much.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 6:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If he cost nothing its certianly worth a try.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya. Plus, if it doesn't work out, you lose nothing.
I don’t think Ginn is going to be around next year anyways…
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they do
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do what?
Parcells doesn’t like him. Neither does Sparano. He’s not there guy. They fazed him out last game!
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
the browns do want edwards gone
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya man, the fans hate him over there!
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Bring him on!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many games will we win? Anybody? after sundays win.
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by DolfanfromNC on Oct 6, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking we finish 7-9 or 8-8. It all depends on Chad Henne's progress.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:11 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I say we finish either 8-8 or 9-7. We have a shot at 10-6 if Henne catches fire and takes some heat off of our rushing attack.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
8-8 sounds good
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
8-8, 3rd place in our division, and the 18th pick in the draft.
Not bad. Could be a whole lot worse considering we have the toughest schedule in the whole league and we just lost our starting QB and team leader….
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
yea, our schedual's rediculous
and we will be 2nd in the division. expect a massive jet collapse
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
our schedule is
getting easier, Tenn, Carolina and Houston arent living up to their potential, and i will throw Pitt in there also.
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and TB and Jacksonville
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true. All are winnable games. Good point.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 8:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Schedule....
Actually, the three hardest games have already happened. I expected them to beat Colts, but Falcons was a tossup (either they beat Falcs and lost to Panthers, or vice versa), Chargers was a loss (because it was short week on west coast) IMHO before season started. Didn’t expect Manning to be as good as he’s been, though. So, 0-3 was sorta expected under the circumstances. This middle part of the schedule is somewhat hard (so many division games), but will bring out Dolphins passion. Finally, with titans sucking, Texans a sure thing (since they have to beat them sometime), and Steelers a win since I think it’ll be Dolphin Alumni Weekend (which, in 2007, was their only win) and right Steelers ain’t what they used to be (can’t believe they let Chargers back into game!). At 1-3 now, it is possible for them to go as high as 11-5 (losing to Jets and Pats in NY and NE, respectively) Saints game isn’t a lock, but they’ll be coming off a bye week…and Brees has never beaten Fins, sooooo…
by snorky on Oct 6, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thus the reason I stated before the season started
the the whole strengh of schedule was sort of bunk. You never really know whos good and whos bad untill about 5 or 6 game in. Its based on the previous years win total which given all the changes in the offseason should have zero bearing.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure about that. I hate the Jets. But....
Wow! That D is incredible! Lol. All I know is that our pass blocking better improve quickly or we’re in trouble! I’m dying to see how Henne reacts to Rex Ryan’s “Blitz All Day” scheme. If he succeeds, that will tell us alot about what kind of QB he is in this league.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 8:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree might be available @18
and he wont get what he could have had with SF. Bonehead…
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could be living large with decent $$
sure hope he has insurance…
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crabtree has flown to SF and is negotiating with the team again.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope they blow it, but i doubt it
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I cant imagine he wont sign.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure Crabtree won't just end his holdout.
He’d be a very stupid man to re-enter. He’d lose millions!
Plus, Parcells doesn’t draft WR in the first round.
Here’s my mock draft of the first 3 rounds next year for the Fins:
round 1- Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
round 2- Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
round 3- Brandon LaFell, WR, LSU
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I love the idea of getting nose tackle in the first round. I just hope Cody loses a bit of weight
I am officially on the Mount Cody bandwagon if he can get down to about 340 lbs. Our run defense would go from great to devastating with a two-gapper like Cody.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that guys friggin huge
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mount Cody
need a little different wording there, I think.
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am really not a fan of Braylon Edwards. That said, I have to admit the idea of him playing for us
really intrigues me. I do think he’d benefit from our coaching. Plus he’s been mailing it in for most of his career in Cleveland, so I think getting him in South Beach would change his attitude and perspective pretty quickly.
Bottom line: We need a big play wideout. I am pissed that Patrick Turner isn’t panning out thus far. I am sure a big target like him would make things easier for Chad Henne.
People will probably disagree with this but I think we have the best supporting cast of wide receivers in the game. Bess and Camarillo are great out of the slot, and Hartline looks like he is going to be a strong possession receiver. Ginn is a good vertical route threat (which is why it’s ridiculous to see him running over the middle all the time). We need to seriously consider getting our #1 guy. I don’t care if it’s Braylon Edwards or Dwayne Bowe; we need a playmaker!
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100%
Bess is the next Wes Welker. And Hartline is a Kevin Curtis type. He’s going to be a solid number 2 for this team for years to come. All we need is a true #1 reciever. That can stretch the field and make big plays after the catch.
As for Turner, I’m not ready to give up on him. It took him about 3 years for him to adjust from the highschool level to the college level. But once he did, he showed his true potential. I see the same adjustment for him in the pros. It’s going to take him a few years to adjust, but once he does I think he’s going to really help this team out. He’s a work in progress, but don’t give up on him just yet.
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 7:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope you're right about Turner. He would add another dimension to our offense
Imagine having to gameplan for a 6’5 receiver when you already have to account for the Dolphins’ running game.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isnt Boldin in his last year also?
Ginn and a #2 or #3 for Boldin. He might want $600 mil for his next contract though.
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Parcells we're talking about.
He’s not going to give up a high draft pick for anybody. He would definitely take an Edwards/Ginn swap over a Boldin for Ginn and a high pick. Even if Boldin is the better player (which he obviously is).
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
and we know his FA picks hasnt been up to snuff
so maybe the draft is a better way to go.
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, Ginn would blow up with Arizona!
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 8:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
At this point I say anything is worth a try.
Its killing up to not have a no1 guy.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats tru, but i dont like it
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he needs to start acting like a real GM and sign a big FA on his third off season
The no risk approach won’t get it done. You ever heard about a certain Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco? yeah
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 6, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
big swing and a miss right there. That QB class is turning out to be a new version
of the Eli Manning and Philip Rivers one. Damn
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 6, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think that Parcells is opposed to signing big FA's.
I think they are trying to get the core set before plugging in those last few pieces. At least this is what I hope is going on.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tru dat
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand how huge of a risk was to go with a QB with the 1st pick
when they were trying to rebuild this franchise from scratch, however, this is a big HOWEVER, there is no way around this: we have been looking for a franchise qb for more than 9 years and those were two we missed on.
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 6, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, franchise qb's dont come around everyday
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by samdaman on Oct 6, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we are waiting for the 30 yr mark
of 1983. Once in a lifetime QB draft.
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by Phintastic on Oct 6, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well we have our franchise left tackle who is helping us blow up the run game.
I usually agree with you MauMonta, but I just cannot/ will not subscribe to the notion of Ryan or Flacco having the same kind of success in Miami. Both guys have #1 receivers where they play. Both guys had decent offensive lines when they arrived. And Matt Ryan looked like total crap against a pedestrian Patriots defense two weeks ago. To quote our current VP of football operations, “Put away the anointment oil.”
I don’t buy into any qb until he wins a playoff game. Flacco’s won two, but he was deemed worthy of only a second-round pick by a certain ESPN analyst who resembles a bird.
As for Matt Ryan, just remember that people thought Rick Mirer was a real gem after his first season in Seattle.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I mean all of that with respect, by the way, so please don't take offense to my objection
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha dont worry. Well, I agree with the notion that they haven't done enough to be
considered the real deal. That’s ok. However, the debate that says a Franchise LT is as important as a franchise QB in this league is just laughable. Yes, I completely completely agree with you on the notion that they wouldn’t have had the same kind of success with Miami last season as they did with their teams. Thats completely true. But look at it this way. You take either one of them. Sit their first year. This year you still have Smiley,Grove, Thomas and Carey and could’ve gotten a really good LT either in the first round of the draft or in 08 you just move up from the 32nd pick and get a quality LT. Bottom line, you find a way to make it work. Then you’d have Ryan or Flacco with a full year of learning in the bench, coming in to start with a mauling rushing attack to take the pressure of their backs. That’d be wow. So yes, last year they wouldn’t have come into an ideal situation but had we taken exactly the same approach of waiting for a year we took with Henne they would be coming into an extremely favorable situation where there would be every chance of success as there was in their current teams.
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 6, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, yeah, judging a QB because of their rookie season
and crowning them might be a stretch. Cause, yes, Flacco showed a lot of potential but was really subpar in many aspects of his game. So, coming into this season there was a fair argument in favor of him going through the sophomore slump and then never reaching his potential and never becoming a Franchise qb. But after watching him play the last 4 weeks of this season there is no question that he has taken his game to a whole new level. The jury is back and the final say is that he is a legit Franchise qb.
Ryan has had a couple of rough games but there is not one GM in the game that doesn’t regard him as the real deal. There is a reason why Dan Henning is saying he still believes Henne can be as good as Ryan and Flacco. Thats the standard
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 6, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I totally agree with you on Flacco. Dude's nasty.
It’s one thing to have a good rookie season. It’s another thing entirely to put an entire team on your back during the playoffs.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make a lot of good points.
In fact, the only things I would argue are the fact that I can’t imagine Ryan or Flacco learning under John Beck or Josh McCown (our QBs at the time of the 2008 draft), and I don’t think any of the 2009 OTs were nearly as talented as Jake Long.
I know Parcells’ first priority was to rebuild our offensive line, and honestly, Long’s already been to the Pro Bowl, gave up only 2.5 sacks last year and has helped us become one of the best rushing teams in the league. Everyone was on Jake’s back after the Atlanta game, but regardless of what anyone says, he got crowned on the chin by John Abraham’s helmet on that sack he gave up. I don’t care who the LT is — Orlando Pace circa ’99, Jonathan Ogden circa 2000, Richmond Webb circa ’94 — the guy is going down if he gets drilled in the chin with a helmet.
I have to admit I am biased with Jake. I was absolutely ecstatic when I found out we were taking him. Ultimately, how many second-year offensive tackles would you throw at Dwight Freeney (one of the best pass rushers of our time) and expect him to hold his own for 60 mins?
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoo, sorry. I am a little fired up over a Jason Whitlock article I read yesterday
He claims Dwight Freeney dominated Jake Long. Anyone who watched that game knows that isn’t true. Jake fell down a few times, but Freeney didn’t touch Pennington on any of those Long tumbles.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats nonsense. And I agree with you about long
The beef I have with picking Long is not a reflection on him, but on passing on the quarterback. However, with that out of the way, I do believe that Jake Long will be a true franchise LT on this team for 10 years to come. Yes, he’s had a couple of rough games here and there but overall he is dominant. Even Terrell Suggs said it. So no problem there, we got an All Pro LT for years to come.
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 6, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I am with you. I am ashamed to admit I did a little dance when Brady Quinn fell to us
And then sat on the stairs of my house in TOTAL disbelief when we took Ted Ginn Jr.
I was a senior in college when that happened, and had been invited to a draft party hosted by a bunch of newspaper people I worked with. I am glad I didn’t go.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one huge bullet we did dodge. Henne will be a 100 times better
than Quinn in my opinion.
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 6, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, agreed. I was just so concerned with us finding a franchise signal caller
that I actually bought into Quinn’s crappy hype.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lmao! Me too!
Too bad that I wanted Patrick Willis or Dwyane Bowe. Turns out I would have been right if CaMoron would have thought like me. Stupid CaMoron! I hate that guy! Lol
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 9:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think my 2007 draft wishlist went something like this:
1. LaRon Landry
2. Patrick Willis
3. Amobi Okoye
4. Brady Quinn
5. Darelle Revis
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I consider myself pretty saavy when it comes to the draft
but the 2007 draft was not my best moment.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the picked Ginn, that was the furthest guy from my mind!
I figured since he wasn’t he even healthy (cause he had some foot injury at the time) that he wouldn’t go until round 2! Boy was I wrong. Lol. That’s easily the worst draft ever for the Fins!
1- Ted Ginn (he’s a solid number 2. But that’s not what you want from the 9th overall pick.)
2(1)- John Beck (insert punch line here)
2(2)- Samson Statele (One year wonder. Now a bench rider for Oakland. You know your bad when you can’t get on the field for the bleeping Raiders!)
3- Lorenzo Booker (Wow)
4- Paul Soliai (The most improved player on the team.)
5, 6, 7- I can’t even remember cause they just weren’t very good. I know Drew Mormino was one of them and Kelvin Smith was another. I believe they are both out of the league already.
What a terrible draft. I could have sworn I saw Dave Wandestadt in the draft room! Lol
by JP 23 on Oct 6, 2009 10:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, those were pretty much my thoughts
I was like, “WTF! We could’ve gotten that guy in the second round!”
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by kmb8488 on Oct 6, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we could have had all of them!
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by samdaman on Oct 7, 2009 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to See the WildPat run loose
‘Sup all loyal Dolfans, does anyone know where I can find a navy blue fins cap with the old Dolphin logo? I’ve been looking all over the net for it but no luck. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Go Fins whoop on them Paper Planes!
by Dolfan2006 on Oct 6, 2009 11:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Lets hope we can punch it in against the Jets
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