Dolphins dominate Bills: What they're saying a day later
by Matty I on Oct 6, 2009 12:29 AM EDT
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PrintIt's now been over 24 hours since the Dolphins dominated the Bills en route to their first win if 2009. There's been a lot written and said since then and I wanted to just highlight some of it. But first, incase you haven't heard, the Dolphins will bust out their orange jerseys on Monday night against the Jets. And yes, the Dolphins are undefeated (2-0) when wearing those gloriously ugly uniforms.
Now onto some talking points:
Don't go "Henne crazy" just yet
In his latest "Hyde Five" post, the Sun-Sentinel's Dave Hyde is quick to point out that we shouldn't "overdo Henne." Writes Hyde:
In his first start in 2007, on a cold November day at Philadelphia, John Beck completed nine of 22 passes for 109 yards. No touchdowns. No interceptions. No sacks. His running back was Jesse Chatman. His line was questionable. His leading receiver was rookie Ted Ginn Jr. (four catches, 52 yards, long of 22)
Considering Chad Henne had an extra year to get ready and a far superior supporting cast, his first start was similar to Beck’s: 14 of 22 for 115 yards, a touchdown and six sacks (two fumbles).
No one can get carried away with what he did in the 38-10 rout of a mystifyingly inept Buffalo team. You didn’t see anything new from this offense under Henne. Nor did you see any play that gave a glimpse of what he can be.
Hyde's feelings basically mirror mine on the situation. He goes on to write that Henne did "manage a good game" and "did everything he was asked." But let's be honest for a second - Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, and Miami's defense won Sunday's game - not Chad Henne.
But please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not bashing Henne. In fact, I'm complimenting him. The gameplan heading into Sunday's game was clear. The Dolphins were not going to ask Chad Henne to win them that game. But Henne could have lost them the game. Any young, inexperienced quarterback can lose you a game (just ask the Jets). To his credit, Henne never made the costly mistake. But now we have to see how he progresses and when the coaches begin to take the training wheels off of their young quarterback.
On a side note, like Hyde points out above, we can't forget that Chad Henne fumbled the ball twice on Sunday. If that was Trent Green, Cleo Lemon, John Beck, or Chad Pennington back there fumbling twice, many fans would be on his case. But I don't hear anyone killing Henne for his fumbles. But a 28 point win over a division rival tends to do that. Let's just hope he protects the football better in the future.
Offensive line needs to get better fast
I'm obviously not talking about the unit's ability to run block - they continue to get better and better every week. But their pass protection clearly needs work - and fast. The Jets come to town on Monday night with their "blitz all day, every day" mentality. The Dolphins, of course, are well aware:
Center Jake Grove and his fellow offensive linemen will have to be especially alert to Ryan's exotic fronts. "They blitz almost every play it seems like; they're bringing guys from everywhere," Grove said Monday, a day after the Dolphins (1-3) dominated Buffalo 38-10. "We're going to have to be great at identifying the fronts, seeing where the blitzers are and keeping our quarterback up, something we didn't do yesterday." Almost lost in Sunday's rout were the six sacks by Buffalo. It was the most sacks by a Dolphins opponent since New England had seven while winning 28-7 in December 2007. Dolphins coach Tony Sparano said Buffalo didn't do anything out of the ordinary on defense. He blamed his interior linemen for three sacks and said two were because of missed blocks, one by tight end Anthony Fasano and one by running back Ronnie Brown. Sparano said Henne held the ball too long on one sack. "It goes to back to self-inflicted things," Sparano said, referring to the mistakes that led to an 0-3 start. "This isn't someone doing something to you; that is a one-on-one matchup that you did not win." Unlike the Bills, the Jets will take an everything-but-the-kitchen-sink approach to the pass rush. That strategy has been one of the keys to New York's surprising 3-1 start with Ryan in his first season as a head coach. Entering Sunday's 24-10 loss at New Orleans, New York had sent added pressure 62.4 percent of the time, according to statistics compiled by ESPN. The NFL average through three games was 35.6 percent. "They bring the heat," Dolphins guard Justin Smiley said. "It's going to be a great test for us." Sparano makes it a point to talk about how these errors that resulted in surrendering six sacks to Buffalo were "self-inflicted" and were just "one-on-one matchups that you didn't win." But is that a good thing or a bad thing? On one hand, it's good that it's not a scheme-related or recognition-related problem. On the other hand, it's just a case of the Dolphins linemen getting beat man to man - and by players who aren't as talented as the ones they'll face on Monday night. Without a doubt, Miami's pass protection will be one of the most critical aspects to Monday's game. The Jets get after the quarterback play after play - and will welcome back their best pass rusher, Calvin Pace, now that he has served his four game suspension. What will be interesting is how the Dolphins adjust their protections - if at all. Wake needs more snaps
The Palm Beach Post's Brian Biggane brings up the obvious question following Cameron Wake's three-sack performance against the Bills. Writes Biggane:
With Joey Porter out of the lineup due to his ongoing hamstring problem, Wake got an opportunity for more playing time and made the most of it, amassing 21/2 sacks as the Miami defense consistently put pressure on Buffalo quarterback Trent Edwards.
You just know Porter is going to be back for the huge game against the New York Jets next Monday night, so where does that leave Wake?
Regardless, Wake seems to have earned the right to move ahead of Charlie Anderson on the depth chart. The Dolphins need to harass Mark Sanchez as much as possible; Sanchez had a fumble in his own end zone recovered for a touchdown Sunday. Even though Jason Taylor came on late and played well Sunday, Wake has the quickness (and youth) that neither Taylor nor Porter any longer possess. He needs to play.
Brian sums up the issue pretty well. In a nutshell, how do the Dolphins go about getting enough snaps for their three top pass-rushers?
I'd expect a rotation of some sort, keeping the veterans fresh and getting Wake more reps on the field. But one intriguing idea that I've been itching to see come to fruition is having all three on the field at one time in obvious passing situations.
Here's how you do it. You put Jason Taylor and Cameron Wake at the defensive end spots with their hand in the ground - Wake on the strong side and Taylor on the weak side - in a four down linemen formation. Then you let Joey Porter stand in a two-point stance on either side and you rush five guys - the four linemen and Porter. In behind you have either Channing Crowder and five defensive backs (nickel) or no linebacker and six defensive backs (dime).
It's worth a shot - in my opinion.
Quick Note
Phillip Merling's ankle injury is reportedly not as serious as originally believed. That's good news for sure.
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Nice nice piece....
… and I really can’t find a disagreement in all of it…
I too, don’t see why all three linebackers couldn’t be on the field at the same time. I believe this will cause more headaches for the opposing blockers than any other scheme…
And yeah… a win erases a great deal of mistakes. Had it been a loss, I think the feelings would have been similar to those of other past QB’s…
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Better Comparison: Henne vs. Ryan 1st Start
Gamedate Opp Result GS Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate Sac Yds Att
09/07 DET W 34-21 Yes 13 9 69.2 161 1 0 137.0 1 5 5 -
Yds Avg Lg TD Fum Rec
2 – 0.4 2 0 0 0
Ryans 2nd start
09/14 @TB L 9-24 Yes 33 13 39.4 158 0 2 29.6 4 29 6 10 1.7 7 0 1 0
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i dont like anything about this post. starting from the confusing chart thing to the heart breaking finishing statement
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... yeah, like Roth...... still holding his balls......
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yea, i didn't kno he was hurt
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LOL I thought we covered this yesterday!
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yea, but still...
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Sanchez v Henne
What are your thoughts on Henne v Sanchez? They both were qb’s in big time college offenses. Henne has 1 NFLl start and Sanchez 4. I think they are a wash but the Jets have better pass protection IMO. Both offenses are similar in the run first mantra. I think it’s going to be an old fashioned battle of the trenches, and Henne better be able to get rid of the ball quick when needed because we know the Jets are going to blitz early and often
Even though I hate the Jets...
I think that I would have to take Sanchez with what I have seen from both. Sanchez just seems more poised and confident in himself and receivers. I can’t say that the Jets have a huge advantage in receivers as the reason for that either. Cotchery is better than Ginn but after that, I would say that the Dolphins WRs are more QB friendly than the Jets. Henne didn’t honestly show me much in our first win and I really hope that he shows more than being “Pennington” like. He definitely better get rid of the ball quicker against the JETS if he doesn’t want to get crushed by the blitz.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 6, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: even though i hate the jets...
I do think that Sanchez has more poise and confidence in the pocket and maybe those intangibles a QB needs, he has also gotten worse and worse in each start with more fumbles and interceptions in each subsequent game. I agree that Henne didn’t have any wow factor but he did what he needed to get the win. I do hope he can bring more to the table than Pennington did and that will come with time developing a rapport with the receivers.
Our receivers are better on a possession side, I agree Cotchery is better than Ginn and from there we take a slight advantage. We really need a large receiver and hopefully Turner can become that WR we truly need in a couple of years.
Henne
Bit confused Matty: On the one hand you comment that “If that was Trent Green, Cleo Lemon, John Beck, or Chad Pennington back there fumbling twice, many fans would be on his case”, but in the next segment you post up Sparanos comment that only one sack was Henne’s fault with the other five being on whiffed assignments. So are you saying Henne didn’t protect the ball or that the line didn’t protect Henne? The latter will surely impact on the former. Let a rookie QB get blindsided and he will juggle the ball as will many far more experienced QB’s. Not ripping on you, just curious as to where you see the blame lying?
(FWIW: Personally I was happier that on a couple of occasions, including one that Sparano referred to where he held the ball, he took the sack rather than risk a throw off balance or a something in to coverage to try and force the play.)
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Most times when the QB fumbles, I blame the QB.
I don’t care if he’s getting hit from the blind side or not. Protect the football at all costs.
Amen
Gotta second that….develop the “feel” and pull the ball down.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 6, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I gonna type this just because it would be boring if I didn't....
Matty, in the Chad Henne segmet alone, you managed to to start 6 sentences with “But” and one with “if”. You know what they say about if’s, ands and buts don’t you?
Yes
let’s be honest for a second – Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, and Miami’s defense won Sunday’s game – not Chad Henne.
Thats how we won ALL our games last year, with R & R and Miami’s Defense- not Chad Pennington. If Ronnie and Ricky (especially with the WC) aren’t running and our defense is allowing points, we stand no chance. (Save the KC game). I’ll argue this point till everyone is blue in the face.
But now we have to see how he progresses and when the coaches begin to take the training wheels off of their young quarterback.
Are you sure they will? If Henne had “training wheels” on then Pennington had them on all of last year. If anything, it looked like we threw more with Henne than we did Penne. (Can’t confirm that though)
that was Trent Green, Cleo Lemon, John Beck, or Chad Pennington back there fumbling
Please all of those guys are 4,5,10 years older than Henne. Even your boy Beck.-)
Without a doubt, Miami’s pass protection will be one of the most critical aspects to Monday’s game
You are so right. I have a bad feeling, this is gonna be a hard game to watch. Its ognna take a miracle to pull Monday’s game off with a win.
I’d expect a rotation of some sort, keeping the veterans fresh and getting Wake more reps on the field.
My thoughts excately.
Phillip Merling’s ankle injury is reportedly not as serious as originally believed.
That is good news.
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give me a damn samary!
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Not sure about the gona take a miracle...
on Monday to win. The propellers are not gona run on us, so sanchez will have to win it by himself. Dont think he will be able to do it! Also, dont think the propellers r gona be able to stop the WC nor our running game. They might be able to blitz a lot, but that doesnt translate to stoping the run. I think we a have a good shoot at winning this game!
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well said.
i will disagree a tad with your first point, just because i think blue brings out my eyes.
Yes, the running game and D kept us in games last year, but how many times did we see CP lead a long scoring drive at the end of the game to cap it? Answer: How the hell do I know, but it was more than once, that’s for sure.
As for the fumbling, the most important thing, IMO, was that after Beck got clobbered a few times, and even in the ATL game for CP, they looked scared. Henne never looked scared, and didn’t seem to start throwing the ball away. As a matter of fact, i am convinced that Henne can’t look scared. He seems to be incapable of facial expression.
Pass protection better improve, or we are never gonna get to take those shots downfield. Anyone see the awesome protection the Minn Oline gave Farv… Fave…. favre? last night?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
CP was also pretty good in that big home win against the bills last year...
heck, Ted GInn even looked did a nice 60 minute impression of being a #1 receiver in that game.
In general though the formula for wins last season was mostly what Neo said and I don’t think we’d argue that by and large. Sunday’s win was pretty much a copy of that approach too. Let’s face it, if the coaches are smart, they’ll certainly try to win games with defense and a strong running game first – rather than leaving it up to Henne. That’s the formula again, which is the same blueprint Baltimore and Atlanta used with Flacco & Ryan.
What's up with the helmet anyways?
Has anyone else noticed the way Henne’s helmet is almost down in front of his eyes? Man that’s an ugly dude with his helmet on! It scrunches up his eyebrows and stuff….(yes I know I left the can opened on the “ugly dude” comment. So bring it on Left
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 6, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
That mean that..
he doesnt have a forehead?
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.... and damn!!! when he took it off...
… he looked like a malnutritioned Dick Butkus…. did you see that haircut..?!!
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Matty needs to use his sources with the team
and make them play the “giggity” sound effect every time Henne completes a pass, and do the whole “giggity giggity GOO” every time he throws a TD
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
what??? i agree with you man! i saw the same thing and thought, “why the hell is he wearing his hat like that?”
He IS one ugly dude, with our without his hat.
=)
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
To get all three pass rushers on the field at the same time, how about...
LDE Joey Porter
LDT Randy Starks
RDT Tony McDaniel
RDE Jason Taylor
Nickel Linebackers Cam Wake and Erik Walden (both athletic AND fast to cover or rush)
5 DBs and Gibril Wilson better NOT be one of them.
And please NO Crowder in the nickel defense.
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i like those names
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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Oct 6, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
injured on the sideline currently :)
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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Oct 6, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Sunday afternoon.....
… he’s much better now though….
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he got hrt too?!?!?!
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Here's how we play D and get all three LB's on the field
Wake is too quick for most NFL RT’s, so start him at LOLB. Porter is a crafty vet and is really only good at pass rushing, so let him work the LT at ROLB. JT is the most versatile and athletically gifted of the three, and he’s able to play in space, stuff the run, and cover TE’s/RB’s, so play him in the middle. Take Crowder and Akin out. Put all 3 CB’s in the game, and walk Bell into the box. Now it’s a 3-3-5 that looks like a 3-4 because Bell is essentially the 4th LB. He’s also probably a better tackler vs the run than Ayodele.
You now have Smith, Allen, and Davis matched up on the 3 best receiving threats on the field (that includes Leon Washington anytime he’s in), Gibril Wilson (I’d rather see Clemons, but we all know it’s going to be Wilson) sitting up top reading the rookie’s eyes, and a Nickel Set that can easily become an 8 man box with Bell and Davis (our most physical corner) playing close.
You also have a nasty 5 man rush with the 3 DL and Porter/Wake, with the ability to drop either OLB and blitz JT, Bell, or Davis, or send a jailbreak 6-7 man rush with Porter/Wake/Taylor all coming hard. Block that, Jets. When needed, JT or Bell can matchup on the TE, and with the extra DB on the field, we’ll be able to more exotic zones because of the speed.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
That right there just turned me on lol
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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Oct 6, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
It's definitely an idea...
but I do wonder if JT could hold up physically over the course of the year playing in the middle..
I would only do it on passing downs
and if Roth comes back in a few weeks, JT can get more breaks because we’ll have a 4-5 man Rotation out there
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I said before. I like your idea of a 3-3-5.
I think what we need here is a defensive version of the WILDCAT. How do you defend this defense? I don’t think you can. It places the offense in a bad position. You have to be creative in this league. You have a strong pass rush, a strong pass coverage, and a strong run defense all in one. Make it happen! I say again we need to trade Ginn and Wilson to SF for Crabtree.
Is not how u Defense this defense...
Is how u OFFENSE this Defense ; )
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This is something!!
Hope the D coord is reading this blog!!
Maybe the WildDog has been born!!
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Also
One thing I saw from Henne that I never saw from Beck was poise. He sat in the pocket and delivered the ball with chaos around him many times, and when shit broke down, he didn’t curl into a ball or throw it straight up, he tucked it, and tried to get something with his legs (unfortunately, he was wearing cement shoes, so he didn’t get far). He also rarely locked on to his primary receiver unless it was a quick slant route, and there were quite a few times he progressed through every read and found his checkdown on the opposite side of where he started. He may not have the great stats, which I believe is a product of the playcalling (less than stellar this year) and our WR’s (less than stellar this year), but dammit if he didn’t look like a real QB back there instead of a panicked child.
Oh, and Beckies, please don’t say “it’s easy to look poised when you have protection.” Henne was constantly under pressure, and not once did he make the “Beck to the defender standing 2 feet away” mistake that always kills us. If we’re gonna compare Henne and Beck, there’s only one stat you need to look at. Henne – sacked 6 times, Beck – sacked none. Henne did more, under more pressure, and looked better doing it than Beck ever did.
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I think you know the rest….. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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giggity
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
... seriously (between my laughing), those were good...
… I’m rec’ing both….
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
That spells.....
Still a big ? for the rest of the year. Hope it turns out for the best….but if the D can play like it did last week and the running game continues AND the coaches continue with the aggressive play calling, Henne just might do!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 6, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
samary, please
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... here, take this.... is this what you're talkin about....?
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Henne looked good
even though the stats didn’t show it.
Beck sucked, always.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that good for you sam?
lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Matty, you are losing your touch
The majority of your post is great but what is up with you citing Hyde’s comparison of John Beck’s first start to Chad Henne’s? Why would not overdoing Henne’s start have anything to do with Beck’s first start? I think the context for both games were extremely different. You begin your claim by necessitating recognition of Beck’s first start being on a far worse team and much less time to prepare. Fair enough. So a day in which Beck completed 41% of his passes for 109 yards with no TDs , sacks, fumbles or INTs is comparable to Henne’s 64% passing, with a TD, no INTs, but sacked 6 times and 2 fumbles (although none were lost)? How do you support this comparison? On the one hand, although Beck didn’t get sacked all game, he still only managed to complete 41% of his passes without any TDs. On the other hand, Henne got planted 6 times and still managed to complete 64% of his passes while also throwing a TD. You would expect some shakiness and less precision from a qb getting drilled. And how bout you mention that the expectations fans had on Beck were far less coming off a 2006 season which we went 6-10 compared to last year’s 11-5 team? You don’t think expectations put pressure on the qb?
I don’t know. I think Henne didnt just avoid losing the game. I am not going to hype up the guy, but I think he was a reason we won. Not more than R and R or the defense. But I don’t want to under hype him either. I think Henne deserves credit. Let him bask in the glow and build upon it.
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yes he does...
but speaking of the quacker, wasn’t it against the same buffalo bills we just thrashed, that he literally let the ball fell out of his hands, right into the arms of a buffalo DL who then dashed in for an easy score?
Bad, bad times those were..
lol it was barely that
it was like what you do to your friend when you pretend to throw it and drop it behind you, except the D didn’t fall for it
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i was just pointing out something one of the South Florida writers wrote.
Don’t kill the messenger.
But as far as “supporting this comparison” – it’s not even close that Henne’s supporting cast is far superior to what Beck had. And Henne was far more prepared having over a year with CP and this coaching staff instead of half of a year with Trent Green and the Cam Cam jackass-ery.
C'mon Matty...
You said:
“If that was Trent Green, Cleo Lemon, John Beck, or Chad Pennington back there fumbling twice, many fans would be on his case. But I don’t hear anyone killing Henne for his fumbles.”
Now cowboy up there big guy and admit it, there’s some bitterness over that failed man crush you had, rather, have on Beck :)
It is 2009, not 2007, so let’s leave the Quacker, cam-cam, and 1-15 way way behind us…
question Nat?
what exactly does “cowboy up” mean… does it have something to do with “brokeback mountain”?
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
that’s exactly what it means
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
it's just a funny double-standard
I purposely didn’t bring up the two fumbles in the game recap post of mine to see if anybody brought it up in the comments…..and i’m pretty sure nobody did.
wait, there were two fumbles?
i didn’t notice
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Matty I, Green was a scramble egg..
so not much preparation 4 Beck.
Is not a big deal!! We didnt rush for 250 yards with Beck, we didnt do a pick6 nor anything, we were a 1-15 team, now we r a 115 team, enuff said!!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
Henne converted 9/17 on 3rd down
Sparano said he loves his decision making on third down. That is huge. Give R&R a fresh set of downs u never know when the express train to TD-ville is leaving.
The one thing we really gotta do against the Jets is perfect the screen pass, thats the best way to slow down that blitz… I hope to see that early and often on Monday.
by YatilGinnJr on Oct 6, 2009 3:23 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
YES!
This and quick dumps to a back sliding out to the side…
… or a quick dump to a back or TE just over the line of scrimmage…
… or “the Draw” to a scat back… (Cobbs?)
… but my favorite, is the middle screen pass… it’s a killer if those linemen get out front with Ronnie or Ricky catchin and scootin..!!
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screen passes
good call
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
hey
I just noticed the little green “thumbs – up” on the rec’d comments.. awesome lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Sacks without turnovers is not the end of the world
Big Ben Roethlisberger seems to be doing ok I mean if you count two rings OK. I know I sure do.
I agree
but I prefer not to see my QB being planted at the rate of Big Ben. Its something that I think will eventually catch up with him and shorten his career unless he learns to get rid of the ball quicker.
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Especially because
Henne is no where near the physical size of Big Ben Roethlisfagger or whatever his last damn name is.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 6, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
His size helps but even the biggest of guys can handle being slammed to the ground
only so many times.
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great
YatilGinnJr could be the best screen name ever
Still laughing at Nicky’s posts – and all true
Henne Fumbles
I am not happy about Henne’s fumbles, but I have to disagree about people not making as big a deal about it as Beck, Penny, Trent G, etc… This was the kids first start, and he was getting blindsided almost the whole game. 6 sacks is an completely embarrassing, unacceptable number for an o-line making over $150,000,000. If I recall correctly, Beck had the ball slip out of his hands without any pressure on him several times, so that would be the difference. I can understand if he was being hit time after time, but to just let the ball go like Beck did proved to me that he was a joke
by KnoxVegas on Oct 6, 2009 9:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
beck also threw a shovel to a defender =)
my guess is that helped to bury him.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
The shovel pass is so dangerous.
Every time I see someone attempt one it almost gets picked. I somehow dont remember Beck thowing one but its probably one of those things my subconscious has blocked to keep me from loosing my sanity.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
it was either a shovel pass
or he was so terrified the guy was gonna bury him, he just gave him the ball.
i couldn’t really tell
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL Thats not a good sign.
At least Henne did not look scared out there.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Nor did he look like a deer in headlights
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No it was a real pass
that Beck somehow threw 3 feet in the air, then he ducked (no pun intended) while the defender bypassed him, took the ball outta the air, and laughed his way to the endzone lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not when Danny boy used to do it.
I don’t know that I have ever seen a QB use the “shovel pass” as well as Marino did.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 6, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but I dont even think its fair to compare any other QB to Marino.
In my mind he at one level and everybody else comes after that.
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OMG
Can we please please please stop talking about freaking Beck?!?! I would hate to have to smack everyone in this forum, but believe me when I say that i will do it!!!!!!
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Matty started it-)
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
He is first on my smack list….well, since he can kick me outta here, then maybe he is last…
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LOL Beck! Ok sorry that was the last time I swear!
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grumble....grumble....grumble
LOL
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Every QB is compared to Beck
Beck is the standard, don’t you know?
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Exactly!
His game tapes are the ones you show to Henne. See this guy? Dont be this guy!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
that's being generous lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
glass floor
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
What about the good plays he made. Like eating the ball instead of trying to force it downfield. I think
he showed a lot of poise and good decision making from having being his first real start. Also what about the stat of him putting points on the board and not stalling out drives. I’m not sure what it is but, I belive he gives us a good chance at putting points on the board
the way Henne looks, i would not at all be surprised to see him actually pick up the ball and take a big bite out of it
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
HA
My wife walked into the room on sunday, looked at Henne, and proclaimed “that guys has the biggest face and melon that I have ever seen”…and walked right back out of the room. To me, that was absolutely classic. AND NOW Henne will forever be known as the “Big Faced Melon Head”. I know this is sooo random, but I just had to share.
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Melon Head would be a great nick name.
“Hey did you see that throw in the 4th quater by Melon Head?”
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LMAO
I know right? It is absolutely classic, regardless if you are a Henne lover or not. Matty, this is up for “nickname of the year”, Big Faced Melon Head….book it! You could even abbreviate…BFMH, classic. I need to order a custom jersey now that says “Melon-Head” on the back. LOL
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rec'd lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Defense
This Monday night is going to be a defensive altercation. Whoever can strip and pick either quarterback more is probably going to win this game. Lets not forget that the Jets really have only been playing mediocre with Offense. Your O don’t have to play hard when the other team isn’t scoring. Pray to god that Henne gets a lesson in sack evasion and how to hold the ball. A repeat of Henne from this weekend would be devastating- unless Sanchez repeats himself :p
Defense will be huge...
and I suspect both units will try similar approaches as each team has a young QB.
Whichever running game is more successful will play a big part in which offense (and QB) has a better night.
i just glanced at this post and saw Nat writing "huge" and "big part"
and thought “what the hell?”
then i actually read it
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
you’re bad
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, i don't play favorites.
;-)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I really couldn’t read anymore past the first 3 paragraphs. You knock Henne so damn early. I can’t stand that. You act like you dont trust the cat, he will get better it was his first game to start after a rookie year. Gotta be outta your damn mind for shuttin him down after his first game, Yes he’s got a running game, yes he has shitty WR, however he has more talent than any of those other QB’s mentioned. Come on, and let him play his damn game and stop trying to shut him down so fast. You may not be shutting him down but sure aren’t accepting him as you should be, having one of the best teachers in CP10
It all comes from Beck
A couple of years ago, Matty put all his eggs in the “John Beck is our future” moto and it came back to bite him in the @ss.
It was a tough year for Matty. He blindly put faith on Cameron the entire season. Even though he was drafting Ted Ginn’s family, ruining our Rookie QB (Beck), reading websites, while going 0-10, 0-11, 0-12.
Meanwhile, He was backing Beck while he was throwing INTs that don’t even get out the pocket. Nat posted the link above, check it our. Better yet, don’t.
So Matty trusts NO ONE. Not ANYONE. And he questions EVERYTHING/ONE.
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This fellow dol-fans, is the standard by which all our QB's shall be judged....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDIqcHBkyJs
You really have to see this, painful as it is, to even wonder how Henne inspires any sort of comparison or mention of the Quacker (aka Beck).
Sadly, the call on the game is right – the bills didn’t have to do anything but wait for John Beck to gift wrap them another present…
Matty was, and remains apparently, rather distressed about the whole affair. Rumour has it that his screensaver reads “I wish I knew how to quit you, John Beck”
Rumour has it that his screensaver reads "I wish I knew how to quit you, John Beck"
True story.
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
LMFAO
Holy crap, I think I just pee’d myself!!
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oh come on guys. give him a break!
it wasn’t that bad… i mean, matty admitted after cam cam was fired that he sucked, right? …. wait.. did he?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay so after I watched this… this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8bzZEtOcb8 was on the side about Chad Henne, now i do like Chad, and i dont care what this video shows… its the audio that is just hillarious!
that's partly accurate.
As far as Cam Cam goes, he was the head coach I wanted the minute Saban stepped down. That’s why I defended for much longer than I should have….he was “my baby” in a way.
As far as Henne goes, I refuse to make the same mistake I made with Beck. Like I said in a post last week, I will only believe what my eyes tell me in regards to Henne. And while I didn’t see any red flags on Sunday, I didn’t see anything to make me think he’ll be great, either.
And therein lies the immediate and obvious difference between Quacker and Henne...
Quacker was on a bad team yes, but he was also a flat out lousy QB, and got worse and worse with each minute he played. So bad that he couldn’t beat out Leo the Lemon.
Henne didn’t show himself to be great last game, but he also wasn’t getting worse as the game went on.
That you put all your eggs on Quacker isn’t our fault Matty. :-)
all of these words are hrting my brain
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PLease don't bring up that
He couldn’t beat our Cleo or that he couldn’t play well enough to keep Cleo off. Its hard enough for Matty as it is.
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
hang on matty, i got yer back on this one
Neo, Nat, you know damn well the way you are making this sound isn’t entirely true. Matty was one of the people that was calling for Cam to NOT play Beck! It was either because he didn’t think he was ready…. or he liked Cleo, i can’t remember.
It’s not Becks fault that he sucked! It was Mularkey’s!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Camo
we should have kept Cam as the OC though…I like Dan Henning, but Baltimore used to have the worst offense ever and now they can score on anyone. I heard Cameron was a big force behind drafting Joe Flacco. The guy knows offense, just not anything else. He was in a coma in 2007 or something. Didn’t do anything right, from the draft all the way through the end of the season. He’s just not cut out as a HC – like Norv Turner, only worse. Much worse.
.....
We should have kept Cameron? What planet were you on that year? No one in that locker room respected him, so no one would listen to him. I still recall the story about J-Peezy calling Cameron out in the middle of a team meeting in front of the entire team/staff, and Cameron just sat there and took it…..he just said “Moving on now…” What a freaking wuss. I would have told Joey to shut his trap. No way anyone on that team would respect Cameron as the O Cordinator. Not a chance. No way. Nuh-uh. Not happening.
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Its just not Parcells MO to keep people that he does not know or is not familiar with.
Cam was doomed once Tuna was hired.
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Thanks Natalya
I think I just pooped my pants reliving that moment. The worst part is the announcer:
“And the football follies continue!” Horrible. Watching that play though and how Beck was throwing the ball, it would have gotten picked off and run back for a TD anyway, even if it had gone forward instead of backward.
Utterly brutal it was...
but just a reminder for those who pooh-pooh how ordinary or average Henne looked last sunday when he’s light years removed from the Quacker (Beck)
god that play is hysterical now
but I think I cried that day.
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's too funny of a play to hurt that much
watch Orlovsky run out of the back of the endzone over and over again, that’ll cheer you up lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 7, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Gee, guys, thanks for...
giving Rex Ryan some great ideas on what the Fins might do on Monday night! Nicky you are such a tool! ;-)
hahaha
If they take my ideas, I’m applying for a job lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
Guys, I am raising my hand in anger now….know that there is enough slapping to go around for everyone. Please stop mentioning that red-headed-step-child!!!!!!!!
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This is how the Fins beat the Jets...
1) Do what Ryan would do: blitz, blitz, and blitz some more, along with Wake/Taylor (and Porter?) getting in Sanchez’ face as well to drive the kid nuts…in other words, since it is obvious Sanchez can be rattled (unlike Henne), rattle the guy, until he knows he has to run the ball, and then it is shutdown time. Or, basically do what the Saints did (except for Bush’s idiot fumble). On offense, keep wildcat to a minimum (since Ryan was the first and best at figuring it out), and run it most of the time (wear down Pace, Jenkins and Co.), and out of WC do what Brown and Pennington did last year when Penne hit Ginn on that 40 yarder (when Ginn had to come back and get it on two Jets…the play that set up Fasano’s TD). I mean, at some point Henne will try to get Ginn a long yarder.
I am sure Sparano and Co. have something special saved for the Jets though, a la how they killed the Pats in week three last year.
Funny, but until Saints beat Jets with D and Fins beat Bills with both, I didn’t think Fins could beat Jets. Now, I do.
This is how the Fins beat the Jets...
Have more points than them at the end of the game.
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL Sounds like a good plan!
I hear that works 99% of the time everytime!
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also
don’t let them score more than you
and for the love of Marino, don’t kick it to Leon Washington ever
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
you know, that just might work
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
I think I would have to speculate on this one a little more…..
LOL
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yea, that simple
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Pretty sophiticated analysis there Neo :-)
But how do you propose the dolphins actually end up with more points than the Jets by game’s end? …
By scoring more than them
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!!! Right!
Less than genius but hard to argue with!
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Brillant isn't it?-)
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I wont go that far.
It made me laugh though and it is impossible to dispell.
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aww, c'mon...
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by Neo on Oct 6, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
it's revolutionary, like the WC
soon the entire league will be doing it
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 6, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
It’s just a Gimmick really, no one will win games that way for long. Just like the WC and Forward Pass nothing but last ditch effort gimmicks!
that is only what the well informed say
but what do THEY know?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 8, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
They are just a bunch of damn know it alls!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
13 Men Later...
I’ve learned to NEVER trust a dolphins quarterback. One will look soooooo good, but next week, he’ll come back and hit you in the mouth.
Ok eveyone relax!
If the Phin fans start fighting amongst one another whats next? Total anarchy?
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tru dat
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LOL Nothing like gasoline on a fire for a good time!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i can'r help it, i swear
it’s like Tourette’s.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 7, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL I understand.
I know its a secondary sport on here to piss one another off!
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I guess for some its there primary!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
PhinsFan69
I watched that clip before you posted because it was on the side videos where John Beck’s was.
I couldn’t help but laugh, and I don’t even swear! I hope Chad Henne isn’t a joke, a b!@#$, or a clown for us at QB. I don’t think he will be.
Hey, when he starts doing awesome, we should post a video about Chad Henne making defensive backs look like a joke.
Michigan fans need to turn that video around and use it for Ted Ginn. I’d believe that one.
Love The Violin For Beck
Hate the song though.
I remember JB playing against the Bills.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDIqcHBkyJs&feature=player_embedded
Seriously. Everyone needs to give Henne time. He could stink this week or he could light them up and none of it would be a total prediction. Two wins though would be some sort of indicator. Two wins and no plays like above would be even more of one.
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Well said here
I thought Henne did decent against the Bills, especially throwing 0 picks under all that pressure. With that said, he is going to have to step up big this week since the run won’t be that effective (or I expect it not to be). the O-Line though are the one’s that need to step up since the Jets are a blitzing machine and last year we went 0-2 against Rex Ryan’s defense. It’s imperative they do better or else Henne WILL throw 2 maybe 3 picks.
I’m surprised nothing was said about the improve play of the secondary, but that’s probably cause the Bills coach is an idiot at calling plays (or so I hear from the WNY media). We’ll see for sure if that was a fluke or not, especially seeing as to what the Saints did against Sanchez.
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