Cameron Wake proved he's a beast...now what?
by FishNFinz on Oct 4, 2009 10:06 PM EDT
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Print3 sacks, 4 tackles(2nd most on team), and a forced fumble against the Bills filling in for Joey Porter. Cameron Wake proved he's a beast...now what?
Joey is probably going to be back next week, especially since its a prime-time game. So where does Wake go?
Does he split more reps with team captain Joey Porter? Does he take reps away from other team captain Jason Taylor who showed he still has gas in the tank with 2 sacks today?
Maybe work on some packages where all 3 are on the field at the same time? That would definitely add some pass rush... You could always take Gibril Wilsons spot out to make room for him, it's not like he's making any impact on the field.
Just kidding Gibril.
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Wake obviously has earned more playing time. He had some great moves on those sacks, and he had some key special teams tackles out there.
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Backup both JT and Joey Porter
Keep in mind that Buffalo’s tackles are awful, but it isn’t going to hurt to have a fresh JT and a fresh Joey Porter.
Let him have ALOT of reps. He’s young.
Future LB core?
LOLB Wake
LILB Moses (lose ten pounds?)
RILB Folsom
ROLB Walden
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keep wake and moses
upgrade the other 2
Laces out!
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Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
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Walden is good.
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Yeah, not to be difficult but he was playing against two backup tackles – the kind that barely even made the team. Not exactly tough competition.
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Fine, allow me to rephrase. He was technically playing against “2nd string” but the fact of the matter is the tackles the Bills were forced to play with yesterday shouldn’t even be considered NFL players. They are really that bad. If you still want to think Wake would have done that against real NFL tackles, you’re welcome to. Maybe he would have, I have no idea – just pointing out that I think I would have had a couple sacks against Trent Edwards being protected by Jonathan Scott (a Detroit Lions cast off) and Kirk Chambers (a Browns cast off).
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-Marv Levy
If I was going to be jealous of someone it would be Joey Porter or Jason Taylor.
"We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager."
-Marv Levy
I think the important thing to note is that he got 3
where JT only got two, but you are definitely right in pointing out the weakness of your O-Line as reasons for inflated numbers.
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I dont care that he was playing the second stringers.
This is the NFL and you can find cases like this all over the league every week.
I guess my big question is why would someone come over here and try and convice us that there team sucks so bad? Very odd to say the least.
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I’m not sure if you’re just trying to bait me but that is not even close to what I did. I said our backup tackles aren’t good – thank god our team isn’t composed solely of backup tackles. And as for the “it happens all over the league” argument – I’m not sure how that’s relevant. If a RB puts up great numbers against a bad run defense and terrible numbers against a good run defense wouldn’t you call him a bad running back, or mediocre at best anyway. I didn’t say Wake was bad, I didn’t say the Bills are bad, all I said was that he was playing against some not so great tackles so I’d wait until he beats a starter to anoint him the second coming of Joey Porter.
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LOL Sure got you fired up!
I dont know that anyone knows what hes going to be yet but I for one as a Phin fan hope thats its the beginning of a great career in Miami. I am sure its in your best interest to hope for the opposite.
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hahahaha we won u lost hahahaha
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SO!! If JPorter was playing yesterday..
and he maded 3 sacks, then he got a bad day?
Or if he didnt make a sack again ur Oline, them ur Oline was getting better, cause they stop him?
CWake come in a did what he was suppose to do, kill a bad Oline.
TEMSON!! Sometimes ppl look better went the shut up ; )
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
I say that 3 sacks against any NFL defense is a great day.
Everyone has injurys that hamper some part of there team throughout the year.
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I didn’t say he played well or bad – I honestly don’t understand what your (Aleta) argument is. I also didn’t say that he had a bad day. The title of this article is “Cameron Wake PROVED…” and I’m just not sure he’s PROVEN anything with one good game against backup tackles.
If you really see a major flaw in that logic then so be it but it seems straightforward to me.
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Sometimes people look smarter when they write sentences that make sense. ;)
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Hey you leave Sam alone. He already has to live in NY!
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Yeah, which means that he
also has to put up with all the A-Holes in NY
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because?
they all ride in cabs?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 5, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of them do!
A lot of people that live in NY dont even own a car.
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yea, i dont own a car (besides the cab, which isn't mine)
i’ve met pleanty of A-holes
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Why would you even think of buying a car
when you have a company car?
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I can write a amarter sentences in spanish!! Hope u understand spanish, but guest not!
But if didnt get what i wrote, them let me rephrase!!
U said that Cameron didnt prove a thing! He got 3 sacks agains a bad Oline, how many sacks he needed to prove to u that he is good? 7 sacks, 11, 14 sacks?
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
I understand spanish. But anyway, I don’t think sacks against backups PROVES anything, that’s my point. Ok, maybe 14 sacks would prove something, but that’s pretty crazy. I think if anyone got 14 sacks in a single game I’d be willing to anoint them the next Bruce Smith! (I’m worried this is going to get me yelled at a lot… hah, I guess when your team is playing shitty you have to harp on the past)
Anyway, like I said before, I’m NOT saying Wake won’t be good – just that he hasn’t proven anything yet. I think that’s fair.
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-Marv Levy
As much as I hate that you brought up
an old Bill that use to kill us in Bruce Smith I would be so much more than happy if he becomes half of that.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
in pass situations i think u could put all 3 on and take out a ILB, the remaining ILB drops back into zone
it may work. esp sending 2 of the 3 against the weaker tackle
invent a new defensive set
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Just got off the phone with Dennis Green and he said
“CAMERON WAKE IS WHO WE THOUGHT HE WAS”
IAMLEGEND
I think we could move Porter to ILB on some plays where we put all three in
I think he would be most comfortable there out of the three
Ted Ginn is the man.
Replace Wilson with Culver...
I was thinking the same thing. And to think Renaldo Hill is having a great year in Denver so far…today he forced a fumble on Romo. I think Fins shoulda kept Hill.
He had quite a game, cameron wake...
unfortunately, he/we only get to feast on the bills offensive line 2x/year. Other units will be better and I don’t think we can expect six sacks as a defense or 3 from wake every week.
Wake is a beast
but your right he won’t get those numbers every week. He could get close if porter was not around but b/c it would look bad to trade a captain i think we will just stick with what we have.
by jazztrumpeter89 on Oct 4, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If we were to trade Porter who would be dumb enough to except him in a trade?
Porter is at the end of his career and i cant really see him as trade bait.
Maybe Mangini would be stupid enough, Edwards for Porter?
by jazztrumpeter89 on Oct 4, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
If there is a contender out there that is weat at the position or just feels like
they are a pass rusher away from getting to the next level might jump at it. Otherwise I think you are correct and no one is going to be interested given his age and size of contract.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
Play Wake when an O line ain't so banged up.
Say maybe, the Jets?
Slow down, nellie… he’s still new.
Armchair QB's always complete the pass and armchair coaches always pick the right players.
Yes, Larry Little is still the man.
Why cant we move Wake to ILB ?
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
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We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
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I think if anybody is gonna be moved around
JT should go to ILB. I think he’s the only one that would be able to convert, and he’s definitely better at covering people than Crowder or Akin.
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do you still think he has the range to scrape all the way across, fight off blocks, and make tackles for a whole game?
i mean, i am thinking that his savvy let’s him beat those one on one blocks by the tackles, but he has lost a step.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
and I don’t think he should be there full time. Let me rephrase my comment lol.
He should move inside on passing downs. Take Crowder out and Akin out. Put the 3 CB’s (Smith, Allen, Davis) in, and JT, JP, and Wake at the LB’s. Essentially playing a 3-3-5. You can walk Bell up into the box, he’s just as good at stopping the run as Ayodele. JT can blitz from the middle or overload one side with either Porter or Wake, or he can drop in coverage, since IMO he’s our best bet as a cover LB.
Hopefully, if Roth comes back soon, we can package our OLB’s for run (Roth and Taylor) and pass (Porter and Wake, with JT in the middle).
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 5, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
3-3-5
I like the idea. That would be a very tough pass defense to IMO. Wilson is the only other one I would swap out also. I hope he starts stepping it up. If not cut him or trade him. Package wilson and ginn to SF for Crabtree. They need safefy help. Plus i think Culver and Clemmons are better Safeties.
i agree, swap out the FS.
Clemons has the speed.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 5, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
but we all know that ain’t happening just yet lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, i agree
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I think you play Wake vs the Jets as much as he played yesterday.
That way, we can see if it was a fluke, or he is the real deal. Obviously, he should have some decrease in stats next week because you can’t expect 3 sacks every game. After the Jets game with an equal amount of playing time, the coaches will have a better idea regarding his required playing time.
How sweet it would be, though, if he could translate his CFL numbers into the NFL.
Dolphins and Gators baby!
hmmmm
We got to see if he can do it again. If so, we can have Porter and Taylor share the snaps at WLB (keeps them fresh) and have Wake play SLB. Of course we would mix it up time to time.
yes, yes!
this is what i would do.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 5, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
ROOOOOAAAR!
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I like your last choice. =)
but i would leave EarthqWAKE at SOLB. and have JP/JT split snaps at WOLB.
-LCFF
Let's remember that this is just one game...
and against a horrid offensive line.
That said, anyone who can get 3 sacks in one game, particularly a young player is someone who deserves a serious look and playing time.
I’d say you have the making of a nice 3-man rotation between JP, JT, and Wake at the S & W OLB spots.
no no no - NO REALITY CHECKS NAT!
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 5, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
y would i eat an egg sandwitch?
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how do u spell sandwitch
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
that doesn't look right
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I think that spelling is actually worse then Sams!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
sorry that's the italian way to say it lol
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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 6, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions
ahhh
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by texascowpunk on Oct 6, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
lol i see now
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Let Wake Play DE on passing downs
Let him rush outside and have Joey or JT go inside
I dont care how they work it out
just get him on the field.
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