Dolphins vs Saints: Three Key Matchups
by Matty I on Oct 21, 2009 12:15 AM EDT
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After a bye week that felt like forever, the Dolphins will get back to their regular practice schedule beginning on Wednesday as preparations for Sunday's big game against the Saints rev up. And with that, our preparations for Sunday's big game will rev up as well.
I already talked yesterday about how some might feel that tthis game on Sunday is this team's "defining game" of the first half of the season. Even if you disagree, there's no way around just how big of a game this is. With that, let's focus on three key matchups. And allow to to point out that the Dolphins did indeed win two of the three matchups I highlighted against the Jets two weeks ago - resulting, of course, in a classic Monday Night Football victory. Hey, I'm just sayin'...
Dolphins offensive line vs Saints defensive line
The key to all of Miami's offensive success this year has been their offensive line's ability to dominate the line of scrimmage. They have shown their ability to just physically dominate the trenches and provide that initial surge Miami's talented running backs need to get going.
However, they also haven't exactly faced top rushing defenses. In fact, statistically speaking, the best rushing defense Miami has faced this year happens to be the Colts - who rank 14th in the league, but themselves allow 4.1 yards per rush. Meanwhile, the Saints are actually 5th in the league against the run, allowing 83.4 yards per game and just 3.8 yards per carry.
More importantly, the Saints front four is probably bigger and more physical themselves than any Miami has faced this year. Their starters weigh in at an average of 298 pounds and they are a talented, underrated bunch. A lot of Dolphin fans seem to think the Dolphins will be able to just run over every team they face this year with their physical ground attack - especially in this upcoming game. But I'm not entirely sold. Sunday's game is a big test for this unit.
Saints passing attack vs Dolphins secondary
Obviously, this is going to be perhaps the most important matchup on Sunday. The Dolphins have struggled defending the pass and they are yet to face a passing attack that is as dynamic as this one. The Saints can go four deep at receiver, have a talented pass-catching tight end, and have backs who can catch the ball out of the backfield. The Dolphins, meanwhile, have two rookie corners - one of which is a starter - and a very suspect safety tandem. On the surface, things don't look good for the Dolphins.
Drew Brees leads the Saints' 7th ranked passing attack. Sure, the Dolphins faced the Colts back in week two - and Indy currently ranks first in passing offense - and they were exposed despite owning a three to one advantage in time of possession. So some Dolphin fans might say that stopping the Saints aerial assault won't be as tough as it was back in week two trying to defend Indy's attack. But the Saints are much deeper than the Colts at the skill positions and Brees is every bit as good as Peyton Manning.
In that game against the Colts, Sean Smith did a very good job when he was matched up on Reggie Wayne. And on paper, Smith matches up well with Marques Colston - the Saints top receiver. But the Saints have a unique offense and a great offensive mind calling the plays. And I expect the Saints to dictate who covers Colston by keeping him away from Smith's side. Instead, we'll probably see Devery Henderson and/or Robert Meachem - both of whom possess blazing speed - on Smith's side of the defense, allowing the 6'4 Colston to be matched up on the smaller Will Allen.
But the biggest matchup problem probably comes from two guys - Jeremy Shockey and Reggie Bush. The Dolphins have had a tough time defending athletic tight ends and versatile running backs. I fully expect the Saints to find ways to get Shockey matched up on either of Miami's safeties and Bush matched up with a linebacker - clearly presenting matchup nightmares for the Dolphins.
I'll tell you one thing - if ever was there a time for Yeremiah Bell and Gibril Wilson to step up their performance - Sunday is the time. If they don't, this game could turn into a high-scoring affair - which is not a good thing for the Dolphins.
Chad Henne vs Darren Sharper
The offseason move of the year could very well be the Saints acquisition of safety Darren Sharper. He has been absolutely outstanding for New Orleans and could very well be the front runner for Defensive Player of the Year. He already has five interceptions and has returned two of them for touchdowns - each returns of at least 97 yards, by the way. And he's been a young quarterback's nightmare. All five of his interceptions have come against inexperienced quarterbacks - two against Matthew Stafford, one against Kevin Kolb, and two against Mark Sanchez.
Chad Henne, meanwhile, is virtually of a rookie himself. He's making only his third career start. And while he's been excellent in his first two starts, he has shown in the past that he does have a tendency of staring down his receivers. That crap won't fly against Sharper on Sunday. Henne will have to make sure he is able to effectively manipulate the safeties.
The Dolphins can't afford to make any mistakes on Sunday. And it all starts with our young quarterback.
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only u can post this WHILE playing Madden against xman. Guys an effing robot I’m onto you!!!!
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by finsxfactor on Oct 21, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 Reasons the Dolphins lose
1. They must be able to score 25+ points, which they have done 2 of their 5 games and which the Saints have allowed 2 of their 5 games (in garbage time I may add)
2. To win, Miami will have to get away from what they do best – RUNNING THE DAM BALL!
3. Saints’ defense has made a living on making a mockery of first year QB’s and making vertern QB’s look like it is their first year (not so much w/ Eli, but Eli wasn’t good either)
4. Miami has made a living, making a living for TE’s. Ooops, J. Shockey is in for another payday
5. Time of possesion does not equal wins (hince Indy game) and neither does leading the league in rushing. Interesting stat here: Of the top 10 passing teams in the league: 1 does not have a winning record. Top 10 rushing teams? 3 have a winning record.
Ooops again. Good to have hope though, without hope – why live?
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 23, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 Reasons the Dolphins lose
1. They must be able to score 25+ points, which they have done 2 of their 5 games and which the Saints have allowed 2 of their 5 games (in garbage time I may add)
2. To win, Miami will have to get away from what they do best – RUNNING THE DAM BALL!
3. Saints’ defense has made a living on making a mockery of first year QB’s and making vertern QB’s look like it is their first year (not so much w/ Eli, but Eli wasn’t good either)
4. Miami has made a living, making a living for TE’s. Ooops, J. Shockey is in for another payday
5. Time of possesion does not equal wins (hince Indy game) and neither does leading the league in rushing. Interesting stat here: Of the top 10 passing teams in the league: 1 does not have a winning record. Top 10 rushing teams? 3 have a winning record.
Ooops again. Good to have hope though, without hope – why live?
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 23, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know you can come over here and post this just once! I think I have seen this same
thing like 5 or 6 times. Really dude!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 23, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeap!! TO is a key in this game!
Also 3rd down convertion!, Sorry, but thats how i see it.
Not scare of the air assault, but of the 3rd down convertion. That half sec of distraction could kill us.
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by Aleta on Oct 21, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wait i though you were playing madden...
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by phins23 on Oct 21, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To be fair,
The Jets run D was ranked 14th… before they faced us.
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by joel311 on Oct 21, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And did you just say that Drew Brees
is every bit as good as Peyton Manning? Do you honestly believe that, Matty?
Yes, Drew Brees is a GREAT quarterback, but Peyton Manning is one of the best OF ALL TIME. I don’t think Brees has any legitimate claim to that crown as of yet.
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by joel311 on Oct 21, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is legit
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
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by Rytackle on Oct 21, 2009 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
15 yds shy
of the most passing yds in a season OF ALL TIME. Yeah, I would say that makes him a contender.
by Dolphriend on Oct 21, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's great...but
I don’t think that he is anywhere near the quality of QB that Manning is at this point in their careers. Brees is in a very good system with very good quality (and many of them) receivers/personnel around him, not to mention an extremely creative offensive minded coach that allows him to play to his strengths. But you put him on Indy’s team and he would be no where near as successful as Manning has been. Manning can beat you by himself…..I don’t think that Brees can quite say that yet. But he is closing in quickly.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree sort of...
Brees came to a complete crap team that went 3-13 the previous year, took them all way to the NFC championship, and you would argue that Brees can not win games by himself? I would argue that the only reason why the Saints won any games at all the past 2 seasons is because of Brees. He had a defense that couldn’t stop a wet paper towel. So what does he actually need to do to be in the same sentence as Manning or Brady?
by jack_casse on Oct 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one is saying he isn't good
I am just saying he isn’t quite in Manning waters yet.
A better gauge for this would be to say what would the Colts record be with Brees, and what would the Saints record be with Manning. I have to say that the Saints would still be undefeated and the Colts would have at least one loss.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does Brees have to prove, then?
by jack_casse on Oct 21, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say he needs to GET to a SB/make a couple of conference championships at least before he’s in Manning’s class. Manning has also done it longer.
by Jevant on Oct 21, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does a Superbowl or multiple playoff appearances make a quarterback good?
Football is a team sport. We’re talking about individual performance here. I get the thinking that a good quarterback should elevate everyones play, but that’s only on the offensive side of the ball.
The last two years the Saints have been mediocre, but none of that was Drew’s fault; he still led the offense to the top three. The Saints’ ability to go to the playoffs or win a Superbowl the last few years was the fault of the defense. The Saints could have had Brady OR Manning at quarterback, it still wouldn’t have made a damn bit of difference. Put Brees on the Colts or the Pats and I don’t think they skip a beat.
A chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link. It just doesn’t seem fair to put Brees below Manning or Brady or Roethlisberger or anyone else for that matter because their TEAMS were better. Never understood that argument.
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by Saintsational on Oct 21, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So that was all Drew Brees?
What about Sean Payton? What about having Deuce Mcallister for 10 more games? Your right, Bush and Colston had nothing to do with it.
Jamaal Brown swichting over to the LT spot fulltime? You’ve added 2 Guards in Evans/Stitchcomb that are still starting for your team this day.
There was PLENTY of reasons why the Saints improved, not just Brees like your making it out to be.
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by cbdolphin on Oct 22, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew wasn't/isn't the only reason for the turn around.
But he was/is a major part.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 22, 2009 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
when manning won
his offensive weapons included harrison, wayne, clark, addai, rhodes, stokley
not to mention the D. sanders, freeny, mathis, nick harper, bethea, jason david…ok maybe not jason david but we get the point dont we
by sernycrusher on Oct 22, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manning>Brees
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by texascowpunk on Oct 22, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Sanders was hurt and they had the worst run defense in the league. You are making them sound way better than they actually were.
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by cbdolphin on Oct 22, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Drew Brees has?
Colston, Shockey, Bush, Thomas, Henderson.
Don’t act like Manning has a much better talent around because that is absolutely false.
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by cbdolphin on Oct 22, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's because the Saints were
constantly trailing their opponents last year and they had to give up on the run. When Dan Marino threw that much…. he won.
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by joel311 on Oct 21, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm piling on. Brees is that good....
Do not forget exactly how proficient he was with the Chargers.
They had an incredible record, and he was a very big reason for it (not discounting LT).
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fr8
No one is saying that he isn’t that good…but Manning? That is just one I am not willing to buy yet. Let him win his division a few times…how many has Manning won? Brees is very good, maybe even great, but I have to say that Manning is one of the top 5 QBs of all time and will own every single career passing record if he stays healthy. There is a difference between proficient and greatness. Look what Manning is doing with his receiving corps in Indy….Garcon? Collie? I need another year or two and at least one deep run into the playoffs before I will even consider Brees in the neighborhood of Manning.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe Manning is a stretch...
I too agree that Manning is probably a top 5, if not THE BEST QB ever to play the game once his career is over.
I guess I see the argument as to whether or not Brees is considered an Elite QB in this era of Quarterbacks, and I think the answer is an easy Yes.
He’s on par with the likes of Brady & Manning. I could care less about the AFC Championships or deep playoff run, as its always been the Defense that has kept out the Saints….the offense has always been proficient.
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
He is in the next tier of QB…..extremely good, maybe even great. Still makes me sick he isn’t wearing a Dolphin uniform.
To me there is Manning…..then Brady because if you hit Brady he becomes average (ask JT about this because he has owned Brady over the years). After those two, you have Brees….and if he has time Warner. Brees and Warner are as accurate as any to signal callers I have seen if they have 3 seconds to throw.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to dissagree with owning every record in the record book when it comes to passing.
Because unlike Favre Peyton will know when to walk away. Unlike Mr. Brett Favre. Fo rthat very reason I’d have to dissagree to some of that comment. Trust me I a dolphin fan, but Peyton is my favorite player in football and has been for years.
by D0lphins4Life on Oct 21, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen Mannings numbers?
He isn’t that far away on them when you look at length of careers being relative. Assuming Brett retires after this year, and we all know better than to make assumptions with Brett…..Manning should catch him (assuming he plays another 4-5 years at his current level) in most every major catagory except INTS.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
clearly...
…the Saints have an effective running game this year but Brees’s numbers are just as good.
by jack_casse on Oct 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on Matty, as always.
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by PhinsTifosi on Oct 21, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pass Rush
Porter, Taylor and Wake! Our pass rush has only once won one on one match-ups, and that was against the Bills.
Go out there and earn it guys!
PS: Bit shocked we released Murphy, that was a 4th rounder selected by this regime…..draft nightmare continues? :(
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by MoLimits on Oct 21, 2009 4:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nightmare?
We got a pro-bowl LT, an active RB, our possible franchise QB, and a starting RG out of that draft… the 2008 draft was a major success!
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by joel311 on Oct 21, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah,
and TWO starting Defensive Ends. Each of which is a playmaking beast!
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by joel311 on Oct 21, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to agree with Joel
The 2008 draft is looking like an extremely good draft for the Fins to me! I don’t think Murphy should be any reason to doubt that!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even the teams with the best draft records of all time have swings and misses.
Every team has missed on a 4th rounder. Hell look at all the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders that bomb. This is a total non issue. The trifecta’s draft record is still great as far as I am concerned.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good article
i have 2 school of thoughts on this game
1 i cant help but think my saints are going to have a field day in the passing game by exposing your db’s all 4 of our recievers colston,meachum,henderson and moore are capable of starting on any team in the nfl i dont believe you have enough db’s to cover them and i dont think you can keep the ball like you did against indy’s weak defense
2 the dolphins have a way of stepping up big against undefeated teams when they visit miami and i’m afraid of a let down afyter totally dominating the giants
but thats why they play the game good luck we will see sunday
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by simone219 on Oct 21, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true
we do have a habit of playing good against good competition
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 21, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On any given Sunday.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope it's this Sunday!!!
That would put me in a great mood, even though I have to fly to Yuma Arizona on Monday!!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with what you said but Meacham and Henderston capable of starting on ANY team in the NFL? Riiiight
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by cbdolphin on Oct 21, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Careful
Henderson is due for a big day and it seems like the rotation puts it right about this week. If you concentrate on Colston and Moore, someone else will be open. Meachem had his catches last week so Drew will try to get Henderson involved this week. He is blazing fast and averages over 20 yards per reception.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 22, 2009 5:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
but
meachaem and henderson starting on any team….not to sure about that one myself
by sernycrusher on Oct 22, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matty you talk about the size of Saint's front line. We all know
that size does help, but remember it’s about execution and as Coach always says it the one on battles that need to be one and so far as of late we’ve been doing just that so I believe that ‘s one battle we can win. As far as there O verse our D. If we don’t get in Bree’s face. Quite simply were done. We need to be in his face at his feet and hit him a few times which is going to be hard as well. Since Brees is capable of making plays on the move and with his feet. JT and Porter need to step up along with Allen, Wilson Sh#t our whole damn defense needs to step up.
by D0lphins4Life on Oct 21, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really feel that we need to be aggressive offensively
The game is not going to be won by keeping the score 16-13. Now don’t mistake aggressiveness as throwing the Indy used to throw. I mean the Fins need to really look at each possession as 4 down territory throughout the game. I think that our running and “controlled passing” game is good enough to get 10 yards in 4 downs 90% of the time. Unless we are pinned inside our own 30ish, we need to seriously consider going for all reasonable 4th downs. We have to keep the ball out of Brees’ hands. I know the short little 3-5 yard passes aren’t as sexy as the bombs to Ginn, but they will open the deeper passes up later in the game along with the Saints stacking the box to try and stuff the run.
I also really feel we need to get Henne outside of the pocket a bit more as well. He seems really good on the move and comfortable throwing on the run. That will slow a bit of the pass rush down as well.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i got to disagree on being aggressive
aggressive in the redzone to score 7 instead of 3 yes, but not necessarily change our usual run happy gameplan
by daphinatic on Oct 21, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping the ball out of Brees hands
implies running the ball and eating up the clock. I don’t think he meant to imply less running.
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by joel311 on Oct 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Thats what I meant….the aggressive part was going for it on ALL reasonable 4th downs.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you also dont want to give brees a short field. punting the ball and gaining field position might be your best bet
by sernycrusher on Oct 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I said not as in throwing aggressive
I meant aggressive in that we keep pushing the ball….but instead of punting on 4th and 3 or 4th and 4, we go for it…especially if we are anywhere near midfield or beyond. We don’t need the 10-15 yard passes unless they are there….instead we need to game plan the drives for 4 plays. In other words, if it is 2nd and 8, look at getting 4-5 yards instead of trying to get all of it. Set yourself up for managable 3rd AND 4th down.
As for the passing, I mean utilize the shorter passes (that means you Bess and Camarillo) as a way to try and open things up for the occassional shot downfield. But other than that just focus on really grinding the clock with the 12-15 play drives that we have shown we can pull off.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree....except ....
I think you can’t take the field position game out of play.
Going for it inside the 30, if its a 4th and 1 or 4th and a short 2, sure.
But risking giving the Saints half a field to work with? No way. If they are going to score on us (and they ARE going to score on us), we need to make them earn 80+ yards on EVERY single drive. Our Defense can’t hold up on a short field. We need them to have to work to score every single time.
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What difference does it make
If they are going to score…and they will…they will do it from 75 yards just as easily as they will from 45 yards. That being said, if it is a managable….4th and 3 or less….I say you have to go for it. Their defense will wear down if we are grinding out the clock, and I think that Bess is quick enough, and Camarillo runs good enough routes that we can pick up the short 4th and 3 passes if we don’t want to run it. Don’t forget that Polite is something like 22 for 22 on 3rd and 2 or less. We will have to score TDs on at least 50% of our possessions in order to have a shot of winning.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree...
Its exponentially harder to score from 75 yards than it is from 45. It’ll take more plays, which gives our Defense more of a chance to make a play or 2, and really, that’s all we are hoping for.
Short Fields mean more points…. long fields mean less points. Its a staple of the game. Also, if they have to drive 80+ yards each possession, that takes more time off the clock, which keeps us in the game.
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistically yes...
But if you look at the Saints TD drives this year, it doesn’t matter where they start. They score almost as much from 70+ as they do from -50.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying go for it on 4th and 13 from the 20 yard line. I am saying that if you are near the mid-field mark, and it is 4th and a short 3 or less (because the way Miami’s running game is working, and the way we are converting 3rd and 4th downs….both number 1 in the league by the way….you have to seriously consider going for it. Now if for some reason the Saints come out flat and are not moving the ball well….and it looks like it might be a close game….then I agree, go back to the more traditional type play. But if they are scoring at will, we can’t afford to fall behind by 14 points. Hopefully our offense will move the ball well enough that the Fins won’t have to take my advice.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you missed the point...
If they score 100% in half the time and it’s because we’re turning the ball over then the scoring gap is rapidly expanding on us.
by metalhead86 on Oct 21, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
I don’t think that I missed any point. The points started regarding going for it on 4th and shorts when normally we would punt against normal/average offenses.
The Saints have such a potent offense, that unfortunately shouldn’t have a real hard time moving the ball against our defense, that we will be forced to try and manufacture points to stay close.
My recommendation is that we try to manufacture it by sticking with our grind it out ball control offense. Instead of trying to get 10 yards in 3 plays, plan it out to do it in 4 plays (close to midfield and beyond). It’s a given that we can’t turn the ball over. If we turn it over 2 or more times, I can virtually guarantee that we loose.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What F8Train was trying to point out to you is that by giving them short fields they’re scoring in less time, if it happens multiple times there will be a rapidly increasing deficit and the game will get out of reach for Miami.
by metalhead86 on Oct 21, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if
We counter with long……and I mean like we did against the Jets long…..12-15 play touchdown drives. I know these are a lot of ifs. But go in and look at the Saints scoring drives this year. They score as often from 70 yards as they do from 45 yards. We have to have TD drives, that eat the hell out of the clock, and keep brees off of the field. And unfortunately to do that, I think we are going to have to attempt a few 4th down attempts that we normally wouldn’t do against most teams.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Metalhead is right.....
Even if we counter with LONG LONG time consuming drives, we help ourselves by giving them more field to cover, thus longer drives on their part.
Playing TOP includes making your opponent take more time to score. And you do that by giving them longer fields. Sure, they might score on a 70+ yard pass, but its more likely that it takes a couple first downs and then a big completion. Those extra downs eat up clock, and help our cause.
Going for it on 4th down and ANY yardage at midfield is reckless and goes against any attempts at ball control, TOP, or field position.
Going for it on 4th down & short make able yardage, inside their 30…thats a different story… but either way, you have to get some points. If you blow a 4th down and short, and don’t score, they get the ball back….and under your assumptions, score quick…thus again pulling away from us.
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats true. If you give up the ball on there end
by going for it on 4th down and pass up the field goal and then they drive down and score a TD then its like gving them 10 points instead of 7. The one thing I do know is that this staff will go for it almost every time on there end of the field when its a yard or less. And even better is if we give it to the FB we have 100% success.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
even the giants started going for it on 4th down every set of downs starting in the 3rd quarter
by simone219 on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats because they were falling behind and having their asses handed to them.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
No punts unless we are inside our own 40… If ever. The Saints are likely to score every time they touch the ball. We have to do the same in order to stand a chance.
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by joel311 on Oct 21, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be quite honest,
I think we can keep up with the scoring because we would limit the possessions the Saint will have because of our running attack…So I personally think it comes down to our pass rush on whether we win this game or not…you see if on defense we can get them to punt a couple of times by making some of those 3rd downs long, then we can win it with our strength which is the running game
by daphinatic on Oct 21, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to keep the possessions to about 8
If we do that, we will stand a pretty good shot at winning….assuming that we don’t allow them to score TDs on every one of those 8 possessions!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Vilma plays like he was during the pre-season, we are in for some trouble.
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by Farorefox on Oct 21, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as a saints fan
i’m worried about the psychological edge the dolphins may have in this game. brees has been his worst on the road, and if the saints are “eating the cheese” (as sean payton likes to say) their performance may really suffer—and our two worst offensive performances came against afc east teams. additionally, we’re coming off a big win and we have a HUGE divisional game against atlanta the following week. i hope our guys are mentally prepared for the tough challenge that y’all will bring (the 2-3 record is really misleading!)
…however, even if we can’t put up 48 in this game, we have too many offfensive options to be completely shut out. in my opinion, it’ll come down to the turnover battle and special teams (our coverage on kicks has been REALLY bad at times, so i’m hoping the absence of cobbs works in our favor) in a close contest.
i’m so excited to be going to this game btw!
by jful on Oct 21, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No one is projecting shutout (at least not your way). Our secondary and special teams are the keys.
Beat those, and we lose. Don’t, and we “have a decent chance” to win.
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by Farorefox on Oct 21, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post.
But us losing Cobbs was actually a bad thing for opposing teams IMO.
It gives Ginn the chance to return kick offs and I don’t think that there is one Dolphin fan that will argue that Ginn is a much larger threat than Cobbs
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by cbdolphin on Oct 21, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew is liar. He wants
the 2nd line and safeties to bite the run fake for 1 second, just enough time for his wr to squeeze behind every body and air his b-52 for a scoring explosion. He did this 3 or 4 times against the NYG.
Please Dolphins Safeties don’t bite on the run fake, stick like glue to your assigned wr. Let the Saints earn their yards each down, if they can, with no lies. Please keep your assigned wr in front of you, allowing your defense line erode the pass a little . You may be give up yards by keeping your wr in front of you, but don’t let’em pass your body.
I would love to see Wake Cameron lift the speed and strength of our defense. I truly think it would keep Drew a fair catch.
Let’s do it Dolphins, Yes you can, just don’t buy drew’s lies.
by dolphantisc on Oct 21, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I watched that game and the Giants did not always bite on the play action but he still
managed to complete the pass. There were also times where he would squeeze the ball in places where he had no businees throwing. There was one pass that bounced off the hands of two Giant defenders and in to the hands of a Saint for a long compleation. There were and are going to be chances for picks. We just have to makes some plays aginst there passing game. Hopefully this can be a coming out party for our two rookie corners. If not it may be a long, long day!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Jets were supposed to have a solid Rush Defense too
just sayin’
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 21, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saints Run D is suspicios
If the closest win of the saints has been by 14 points, in some point the teams they have faced give up on running, just like teams against NE 2 years ago.
If our D is able to force at least two “3 and out” in the firts half to Brees and company they will have a real chance to win. We can eat the clock and built an advantage. Saints never been trailing during the season so far.
by Mexican_ on Oct 21, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Their Run D is a reflection that teams are playing catch up
and are forced to throw the ball…
Its kind of misleading to say they are ranked 4th or 5th…. Even if they are statistically, its more a product of them putting up so many points, teams have to throw to catch up.
I wonder if we looked at actual game times of each game…. I swear ever Saints game I see is always a half quarter or longer then every other game that starts at the same time…. that shows how much passing is going on in those games.
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I'm talking
To keep pounding the ball on the saints phins must keep the game reachable 7 points or be leading.
Thats why I’m hoping some 3 & out of the D. Take the ball away from them as fast as possible.
by Mexican_ on Oct 21, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.....great offenses lead to misleading stats
Miami back in Marino’s days had statistically better than average run defenses. That was because Marino was putting up 30 every game and forcing teams to throw.
Same scenario in New Orleans these days.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but...
…If teams are forced to give up the run, is that not because their running game did not work? I mean, If they are playing catch-up, it’s because some part of their offense has proven ineffective, yes? The past 2 years the Saints had no defense to rely on and lost a few games despite putting up over 25 points. If you use the “playing catch up” arguement you can’t just look at stats… the same stats would tell you that our pass defense is not as good as it really is, because teams are passing more to play catch up. I guess my point is that the Saints D is the reason why teams are playing catch up to begin with. Every time the Saints score, the other team gets the ball back. It’s not our offense that prevents other teams from scoring. In any case you guys certainly present a unique challange. The Eagles tried to use the wild cat on us and it didn’t work that well. It will be interesting to watch a team that has perfected it.
by jack_casse on Oct 21, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
If you use rushing yards to rank the defense than you car correct, that could be misleading, but the saints are in the top ten using the per rush average. Which is 3.8 yards per carry. This stat cannot be misleading.
by saint21 on Oct 22, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sooo....
If you go by yards per carry, then it appears teams are not actually giving up on the run at all. Looking at it from that perspective, if the Saint’s D allows only 3.8 yrds/carry then teams must be rushing a good amount times.
by jack_casse on Oct 22, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats being left out of the argument is the fact that most rush heavy
teams tend to have larger and larger rushing averages as the game goes on. The reality is that if the Saints did not have such an explosive offense that they would more than likely not rank nearly as high in rushing defense in either total yards or yards per carry. That being said it probably does not matter with an offense like that but I still think that the rushing D is overrated at this point. The bottom line is the Saints offense has put the other team behind every time making what they do that much more predictable thus helping the defense and making there numbers look better.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
Why didn’t that play into effect the last couple of years? The offense was explosive last year, but that didn’t help the defense whatsoever. They were scoring 28 points per game but were still losing. We’re not undefeated right now because of our offense. We’re undefeated because of our defense. The run defense, the pass defense… all of it.
by jack_casse on Oct 24, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It goes hand it hand. I guess your defense really sucked last year.
There is no question that a great defense makes an offense look better and vise versa. You might have averaged 28 points a game last year but this year in 6 game (small sample) they have jumped out to big early leads therefore making the other offense one dimensional. This, as any coordinator will tell you, makes the offense easier to defend. This in turn improves your defensive numbers. You can argue it all you want but it is what it is!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 24, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
their run defense is good
but it is very much bolstered by the fact that most of their opponents are playing from behind, therefore throwing the ball most of the time. we CANNOT let them jump out to an early lead, if we do, we could fucked.
by TheCableguy on Oct 21, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
The saints Average more running plays (179) than passing plays (152). That is for the season. The Defense only allow 3.8 yds per rush on defense.
by saint21 on Oct 22, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have to disagree
because, yes, generally it’s true that the saints have been “good” statistically against the run in past years b/c of how much our offense scores and how that makes teams play one-dimensionally.
however, this season that really hasn’t been the case— we haven’t allowed a 100-yard-rusher, we’re allowing only 3.8 ypc (good for 10th in the league), and we’ve had only one game where a team as a whole has rushed for over 100 yards—the jets (132 rush yards). and if you look at that game, it’s not like the jets abandoned the run—the play-calling was equally split: 27 passes, 27 rushes.
don’t get me wrong—i have no doubt miami will run the ball, and run it well, against the saints this weekend. i just had to point out that there has been a noticeable improvement in our run D since previous seasons.
by jful on Oct 21, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good arguments
I agree Saints D have handled their rivals O’s but from my point of view running game is going to be more effective when the O is pounding during thw whole game and punishes the D. Saints have not going through that this season when by 3rd Q teams are trying to catch up and forcing things.
I’m not taking away anything from saints D they have played good ball to give all the opportunities to their Offense and build those leads. I just hope the Phins are able to keep a close game and not give up on the Run game.
Phillys “pussy cat” has nothing to do with the Wild Cat we run in here.
by Mexican_ on Oct 21, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First timer here!!
In order for the secondary to play good our pass rushers have to step it up, They need to keep Brees on his but all the time, make him feel uncomfortable.
I don’t expect Miami to win ths one but I like our chances, they’’re coming off their bye week, playing @ home and NO altough kicked the giants’ butt im sure it want easy specially in the treches.
by thewildcat23 on Oct 21, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
Hope to see you around a bunch.
Coming off the bye week is a big deal.
Playing at home is huge
But its New Orleans…we can’t stop them, we just have to hope to contain them.
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
This is one of the best blogs I’ve read cause actualy thats all I do, I never post my input on anything.
I just hope they don’t score over 30 on us.
by thewildcat23 on Oct 21, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey I think the key to this game is... wait... wait for it..
ORANGE JERSEY’s !
Put on the Orange and become SUPERMEN !!
Henne is now our leader. Lets see what the guy can do !
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We need this pass D to STEP THE F UP and do what they get paid to do!
by MainePhinFan on Oct 21, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You're killing me here.....
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fans need to...
since they really whiffed on what was dubbed the “orange-out” game. That was a weak showing….saw maybe 20% of the fans wearing orange. I mean, you could have just worn an orange shirt for goodness sakes. It was a little weak by the local fans….so I say we give it another shot….AND, the finz have still never lost while sporting the orange-crush jersey!!
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by Dragon27az on Oct 21, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I don’t even own an orange shirt….what do you think the population of men are out there that own an orange shirt?
As much as I love when the fins wear the orange, I am still not sure I can bring myself to buy one for myself. Now I did buy my wife the orange Jason Taylor jersey , that’s as close as something orange is coming to getting in my closet! (we have seperate closets, mine is in the Garage, hers is every other closet in the HOUSE….and no, I am not bitter about that at all!)
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm....I'm a Dolphin and Gator fan..
I have quite a few “orange shirts” to go with blue jeans for game days….
Orange shirts aren’t that bad if you avoid the Walmarts and Targets of the world :)
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I am sure that you can pick one up at Walmart for $3.50….and since you have no closet you can give it to some random homeless dude so he can show his support for the finz as he sits in a puddle of his own piss. LOL. AND, if you need the $3.50 for the shirt, just lemme know and I will mail you a check! LOL
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by Dragon27az on Oct 21, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The key is to get a Dark Orange....
Stay away from the Highlight bright Orange colors….
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, forget everything i just said....
I don’t know when I turned into Susie Freaking Fashionista…..
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Yeah, thanks for the tips there Martha Stuart!
I assume you decorate too!?!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
man up and just wear your wife’s jersey. Aint no shame in that….just stay away from her panty drawer!!
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by Dragon27az on Oct 21, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Growing up close to Syracuse
You get used to the orange color. I don’t think anybody around here would consider it odd to see someone wearing orange.
by CNYdolfan on Oct 21, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me or...
do the saints fans seem to be the most articulate, humble, well behaved fans that have posted on here this year?
Also, a little off topic, does anybody else really miss Renaldo Hill? I think we would have had a much better secondary with the “double L” duo in the backfield again this year. They were really clicking last year. It probably would have taken a lot of pressure off the rookies CB’s.
by CNYdolfan on Oct 21, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes they do
It’s amazing when you don’t have to deal with J-E-T-S fans or Pats fans who are both so arrogant and obnoxious it makes you want to drown yourself.
But it does surprise me because I lived in NOLA for almost 4 years and their education system leave a LOT to be desired! Makes me wonder where the articulate part comes from….hmm.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed on the Saints fans
they’ve come off very well this week
by Matty I on Oct 21, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aw thanks
maybe i can work on changing that: dolfins SUKKKKXX!! da sAinTz r AWWSUM!!!!!!!1
j/k.
thanks for the respect—ditto w/ dolphins fans on CSC (do you have ANY idea what eagles fans are like??). i’m from new orleans but just moved to ft lauderdale about 6 months ago. although i love south florida and i think the people here are great, i’ve been painfully homesick lately—going to this game this weekend will make me feel a little better, but i really need a liuzza’s roast beef poboy before or it just won’t be the same…
by jful on Oct 21, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dolphins fan to....
You guys are also very nice. i have never been on another teams website without being abused or treated poorly.
thanks for a great read.
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by saint21 on Oct 21, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about rain?
How will the Saints handle the heat and possible rain? Are they built to handle that type of game? The Fins are.
by PhinFanatic on Oct 21, 2009 1:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
One of the Saints fans made an observation on that already...
Word is Brees has no problem in the wind or rain
by metalhead86 on Oct 21, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nor do Rickey and Ronnie.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh....
good ol’ Ricky Williams. I used to like watching him playing for the Saints. It’s a shame he was on a poo team. I really liked the way he pounded the line of scrimmage.
by jack_casse on Oct 21, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did play in SD
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by Fr8Train on Oct 21, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heat should be an issue
They are in New Orleans and it is even more humid there than in Florida.
The rain may be more of an issue!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we need to start the game off with a huge play action pass to Ginn or Hartline.
That way it’ll keep this defense honest and respect the abilities of young Chad Henne. I believe we could use this multiple time and make it work.
by D0lphins4Life on Oct 21, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or a pitch to Henne who's out on the wing
from the wildcat like they did last year with Penny?
by CNYdolfan on Oct 21, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from a saints fan..........
the only ways i can think to really slow this team down……..
1. make it rain. no really, make it rain/snow/gusting winds, whatever, drew isnt a great poor weather QB, if the elements are in town, we loose 1/2 of our offense, and must relie on our surprisingly effective run game.
2. bring pressure. even with our pro bowl LT out, the saints line has still simply been dominate in the passing game, and up until now not a single team has gotten ANY pressure. in fact, even if you get pressure i don’t know how much it will help, but i sure as hell know that not bringing any will get your secondary abused.
3. big play offense. if you try to nickle and dime the saints D, it will come back to haunt you. almost every drive this year when teams are on the move, the saints tend to generate a big defensive play. this D has a few issues (but do not underestimate it, it leads the NFL in turnovers) has some issues, such as a lack of speed in its safety’s and linebackin core, so if you can get a big strike right down the gut on a PA, it would be the best way to go about your offensive business. the best offensive performance was remarkably the lions, who were able to hit a few big plays with megatron. if ginn can get it going down field you can abuse our Defenses lack of speed. also, alot of designed roll-outs, screens, pitches, ect may work as well. if you try to pound the ball, its not going to work, you have to move around this D, not through it.
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by Silo10 on Oct 21, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That could potentially be your downfall.
Our run-D has been 1st in the league for the entire year until this bye-week. RAIN-DANCE POWERS ACTIVATE!!!
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by Farorefox on Oct 21, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats up fins fans . looks like theres a little heat in here too! i’m lookin’ forward to a great game against you guys and to see how ricky does against his old team. i wish he hadn’t wasted all those years gettin’ wasted but maybe thats helped his longevity. by the way…brees is that good
by hiramsaint on Oct 21, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
very nice matty
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by samdaman on Oct 21, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After reading most of your comments
I have to say that compared to the fans of the last four opponents the Saints have faced, you all are a breath of fresh air. Here’s to hoping for a good game! Cheers!
p.s. CNYdolfan, sure, our educational system does leave a bit to be desired over all, but it really does depend on where you live, just like most other places. Have a great day everyone!
by ArithMattic on Oct 21, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Almost forgot...
GEAUX SAINTS!!!!!
by ArithMattic on Oct 21, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Touch of Class
I am a huge Saints fan and enjoy reading the thoughts of fans of upcoming opponents. With that said, I’ve never contributed anything before. However, I felt compelled to comment on how refreshing it is to see opposing fans have civil dialogue regarding their respective teams. As someone previously pointed out, Jets fans, Philidelphia fans and Giant fans can’t do anything except spew b.s. about how great their guys are and how over-rated the other guys are.
Dolphin fans and Saints fans who have posted on this site thus far – Very classy.
by Drew-Dat on Oct 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
vanman-fishfan13
I think the fish fans on this site are just great!!!…Yes I am a SAINTS fan. Though I am an old guy….so I can tell you when I was young I was a Dolfin fan during the best season any team has ever had….But Vanman…come on, I see you are just disapointed that Brees is not the fins QB. I do agree with some of your logic on the plays the fins have to make to beat the SAINTS…I just think that whatever play book you come with we will be able to counter those plays. I wish you all good luck though. I don;t believe in trashing any football fans as we are all brothers in football.
SAINTS 34 Fins 17 WHODAT!!!
by whodatone on Oct 21, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You've broken a cardinal rule.
There is a shit load of really good rules pertaining to being a sports fan and you, whodatone, have crossed the line. One very important rule is your favorite team must be in the same city or state that you live in. The ONLY exception is if you chose a favorite team as a young child which you then cannot go and change. For example I am from Nevada where we do not have a professional sports organization, but my father is a native of Miami so being a Dolphin fan is engrained in my DNA. But I have been told when I was too small to think logically I used to claim to be a jets fan because as a young boy I loved the jet aircraft. Now I don’t go to the gang green page claiming to be a jet fan before I was a Dolphin fan. Just thinking it makes me cringe. Rex Ryan is a fat ass. Sorry that had nothing to do with what I was saying it just slips sometimes. Obviously I’m just giving you a hard time but not really. I’ve liked the Saints since the Jim Everette days but I would never claim that they were ever my team.
by la Roc on Oct 21, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
So I guess I fit that criteria. I have never been to NOLA in my life, but I hope to once my grandsons are grown. But I’ve been a Saints fan since I was a kid and they came into the league. I have always had a soft spot for the underdog. And when I’d see the old Football Follies blooper shows it seemed the Saints were always in them. I’ve managed to stay loyal for all these years. I finally can wear my Saints jacket around town without people looking at it and snickering.
Oh, and there’s no professional football team where I live either. I’m from Northeast Ohio!! Bam!!
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 22, 2009 5:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
saints passing attack vs dolphins safeties and inside linebackers
the saints recked the giants defense by passing to the middle of the field particularly to to colston. the giants safeties, who were without kenny phillips, were manhandled and thats how the saints won that game. more important than the secondary as whole (which includes corners) our interior defense of crowder ayodele gibril and yeremiah need to step their games up if we are to keep this came manageable. we gotta be able to run and in order to run you cant get down fast.
president of the chirs clemons will be a probowler by 2012 fanclub
creater of the move gibril wilson to strong safety movement
VP of The why is ronnie not signed to a fifteen year deal Org
official hater of the previous fins and current college coaches wannstadt and saban
by ronnie brown for president on Oct 21, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
some more from another Saints fan
I love debating with you guys! you are all so much better than those blueish smack talking boneheads!
my 2 cents!
I have seen a lot of this “eat up the clock” speak, although it works in theory, realisticly time of Possession for the….
fins = 0:35:29
http://www.miamidolphins.com/team/stats
saints = 0:33:51
http://www.nfl.com/teams/statistics?team=NO
a whole 2:18 sec off….
this to me, means 2 things. 1- we can hold that ball too, and 2- just because you can hold the ball doesn’t mean we can’t score everytime we get it back… which in my mind brings us back to the main focal point of this game…(for me) …can the dolphins score on every drive(or at least as many as we do)? and/or can you stop this pass? or this run?
anyways……….. beer me! cant wait for the game
by doublewide on Oct 21, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reading the comments from Saints fans
I have to say I’m very impressed. Living in South Florida we have to put up with dumb Jet fans. I think it was yesterday that I was listeniing to a Jet fan on the radio talking about how great his team was because in spite of 5 INT’s they were still in the game and that if that happened to the Dolphins they would get blown out.
It’s nice to see intelligent commentary from the other side vs. the mindless bravado, usually not backed up, that we are used to.
The only way for the Dolphins to win is to play a flawless game, win the turnover battle by at least plus two, grind out the clock with the wildcat, put alot of pressure on Brees and hit a couple of big plays with Ginn. Of course everything that I have said is no great revelation and obviously much easier said then done.
Anyway Saint fans I wish you all the luck as you’re a class bunch., After this game that is. For this game we need the luck.
by wildcat51 on Oct 21, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wildcat51
You don’t need luck…just play your best as we will do…..:
The city of New Orleans offical saying: “Laess ez le Bon temp rouler” french for:
Let the god times roll….looking forward to a great game.
by whodatone on Oct 21, 2009 10:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyteam needs a little luck!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is going to be fun!!!!
This is a perfect game for the Dolphins to see what they got. Specially whe you have two division games coming up (Jets and New England). WIch in my opinion are must wins adn if we beat the Saints put us in a good position in our division…
Henne will not face someone better than Sharper and Secondary will not face harder task than the Saints Air attack….
Go Phins!!!!
by Ramdlc77 on Oct 22, 2009 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post Dolphin Fans
But there has been one minor issue everyone seems to be missing. In my opinion, this game can come down to one thing. Penalties. If the Dolphins can avoid penalties, and thereby long-yardage downs, it will go a long way toward all the aforementioned keys to the game. If you find yourself constantly (or at least frequently) in first and 15 or second and 20, then the Wildcat can be used more effectively. Long down and distance situations will hurt the Dolphins more than the Saints. Just my opinion.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 22, 2009 6:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
That should be "can't be used as effectively". Oops
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 22, 2009 6:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thats true for any game and any team.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone agree with me?
If we choke the airways the Liar Drew and his run fake, Saints will have to earn their yards on the ground, if at all. This means lots more chances of a fumble, much more time needed for a score, if any, and moremore chances of a 3 and out.
I would suggest a defensive formation of 4-3-4,i.e., load up to proctect agains the long pass. Drew will go crazy, will be picked, and maybe sacked while looking for an open wr, which will not be.
As far as our offense strategy, run it until oil comes out of the ground!
I can just see it happening.
This week, Final score, Dolphins on top 33-30 on Sunday,….and in first place of NFC-EAST ON WEEK 8 after we beat NYJ and NEP.
LET’S GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!!!!!
by dolphantisc on Oct 22, 2009 10:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ummm....no.
Leader of the - Settle down Junior!, Henne is the Starter Movement
"We've moved. We're Here....Get Over it"
If Pat White played Tyler Thigpen for the starting QB position for the Miami Dolphins, who would win?
Answer - A 2010 Draft Pick
by Fr8Train on Oct 22, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this stuff
Predicting to be first in the NFC east by week 8 when you are 3rd in the division now 2.5 games back from New England.
This is getting more ridiculous the more I look into it.
First, it is impossible to move into 1st place by week 8, week 8 is next week and you are 2.5 games behind. But lets say you meant week 9. That would mean, NWE has to lose to TB (lol, ok – I love the humor) AND NYJ loses to OAK along w/ MIA (possible, unlikely but possible).
AND – MIA has to beat NO and the Jets at home. Dude, what are you smoking – I would love some.
In fact, you lost all creditability when you said that you would be in first place in the NFC East. Heads up bro, MIA is in the AFC along with the aforementioned.
Next time before you post – phone a friend, one who’s not on the same dope you are on.
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 24, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know last time I checked this was a Dolphin blog. So my question is why if that
comment was not in response to you why you felt it necessary to be rude? If you find the comment ridiculous then you can certianly comment without acting like a total ass. News flash, most fans look for the best case senerio when it comes to there team. You knew he meant when we reached our 8th week/8th game but I guess it made you feel special to call him out on it. Well good for you! Oh yeah and you busted him on a typo/brain fart. Good job there too! I only wish I could be as awesome as you and never make a misake.
I thought you were one of the classy Saints fans. I hate it when I am wrong!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 24, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No apologies here
Busting people out is something people need to do more often in this country. Letting people continue live ignorant is a disservice to them and the people thay are around. I did that guy a favor. I can guarantee the next time he puts up a post or goes to make a statement, he is going to think twice before talking and proof read what he has written before hitting the post button.
If I make a mistake, I want people to point it out and guess what? The more embarrassed I feel, the less likely I will make that same mistake again. We all need to be more hypersensitive and understand that what makes us weak can make us strong. One mistake can be overlooked, but several “typo’s” (as you delicately put it) demonstrates deficiencies in aptitude, which needs to be addressed. He will look back on this and want to thank me one day.
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 25, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you totally missed my whole point there. If you had put it in a manner
that you were trying to help a guy out there then thats one thing. Unforunatly you did it in a totally self-righteous manner. I agree would agree with your rebuttle if only I belived that were your goal!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 25, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah I got your point
I just dont totally agree with it. I had two goals in mind when I said what I said. The guy is an embarrassment to all the respectable Phins fans across the country (like yourself). He is one of those guys who says something just to be saying it. Actually, Fr8train should have said it when he read the post – but I guess he was just being nice.
Maybe I should have been a little nicer about it, point taken. But I would’ve and have done it to my own Saints fans on our own blog. Except for them, I actually tell them that they are an embarrassment to our fan base and saying something that is completely idiotic invalidates the point. Any post/comment made is a direct reflection of ALL Saints fans alike, as for any other fan base for any other team.
That is my point, but you are right. I will try to be nicer about it in the future. Thank you.
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 26, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem and I appreciate it! I know we have some people on here that get out
of line from time to time. I try and call them out too.
Good game yesterday! Good luck and please beat the hell out of the Pats!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 26, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pats
I will be there for that Monday Night game. I am hoping for a win also. Not only it would help out your Dolphins, but I remember a few years ago we played them and they basically halted any chances of us getting into the playoffs. I want revenge and I want it bad. Plus, it woulfd be pretty awesome to knock off what many consider the greatest team this decade. Either way, I think it is going to be a tough one.
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 26, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got that title by cheating! Well maybe they were good but then why all the cheating?
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"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 26, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every game is different...
The only thing for sure is that each one starts at 0-0. Go Phins!!! These guys can’t beat us!
by dolfanatic on Oct 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Every game is different...
The only thing for sure is that each one starts at 0-0. Go Phins!!! These guys can’t beat us!
by dolfanatic on Oct 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody can beat anybody on any given weekend. Even the sorry Titans could rise up and
beat some good team given all the right things fall in to place.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 22, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dolphins and Saints
The Dolphins have a team that is capeable of winning. I for one am keeping my fingers crossed and praying awfully hard that we win. I fugure we have to win, loosing the first 3 don’t give us much slack for the rest of the year.
The good news is the Dolphins can and should win, trouble is, is that since the Shula era expired, I have trouble reading the team like I used to could. I could tell from their first series of the game whether or not they were alert and on the winning page, now however; with the numerous changes at qb and coaching staff and even owners, the team is hard to keep up with.
One thing I do know is Don Shula, who bye the way is the Pope of Football, lol predicted the Phins were gonna win a lot of games this year, impressed with Brown and Williams and the wild cat, he predicts the Phins are back! If the Pope approves, then that is good enough for me to keep on keeping the faith. lol
Cracker Cowboy
by Cracker Cowboy on Oct 24, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can get him down to the field to bless all our players before the game.
We have to find a way to counter the fact that they are the saints.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 24, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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