Is Sunday's game against New Orleans the "defining game" of the first half?
It might be crazy to think that Sunday's game against the Saints is the Dolphins' "defining game" of the first half of their season. It might be a bit of a reach. But then again, it just might be completely accurate.
Think about this for a moment. The Saints are universally considered to now be one of the top three teams in the NFL. They will come to Miami with an undefeated 5-0 record and with the top ranked total offense and top ranked scoring offense. Defensively, the Saints have a top ten total defense and scoring defense. And last week, the Saints simply demolished another top five team when they made the New York Giants look like they didn't even belong on the same field - scoring 48 points and running up 493 total yards of offense against what was ranked as the number one overall defense in the league coming into week six.
Want another nice tidbit about the Saints? The Saints have never trailed in a game so far this year. Not once. Not even for a second.
With all that said, just think about what a win by the Dolphins would do. If you knock off the team that has been the most dominant through six weeks, you make a statement. Suddenly, the Dolphins wouldn't just be another .500 football team. They'd be much more. Says guard Justin Smiley:
"You beat a team like this, it does everything for you. It kind of validates where you are as a football team."
"It either says, ‘we have a long way to go,’ or you win the game and you realize you’re headed in the right direction."
We can also sit here and talk about the bigger picture as well. A win gets the Dolphins back to .500 after a tough 0-3 start. It also keeps the Dolphins within one game (in the loss column) of the division leading Patriots. More importantly, a loss would drop the Dolphins to 2-4 with games in New York (well, New Jersey, but whatever) and New England to follow. In a season where it will likely take at least 10 wins to get into the playoffs, losing a fourth game just seven weeks into the season would obviously hurt any possible playoff chances.
But this game is even bigger than the "big picture." It's a chance for the Dolphins to define themselves. More specifically, it's a chance for this much maligned secondary to prove that they really aren't as bad as the stats show - which, for the record, is 18th in pass defense and 31st in yards allowed per pass attempt.
You know what? This unit really isn't that bad. Sean Smith has looked very good. Vontae Davis has looked nearly as good, though he's gotten caught making rookie mistakes a few times. And Will Allen seems to be getting beat less and less as the weeks go by - though he's still not playing up to his ability.
These guys in the secondary, though, are well aware that they are going to be a focal point on Sunday. And Sean Smith is excited about that:
"You definitely love when a team is going to challenge you through the air. It gives us a chance to make plays on the ball and show what you can do."
"I would never line up saying, 'God, I hope they run the ball.' That's just something I don't do."
"I love when the ball's in the air. We're corners. We're the secondary. This is what we're here for. When the ball's in the air, it's ours for the taking.''
On Sunday, Smith and his fellow cornerbacks will certainly have plenty of opportunities. They will be asked to indeed show what they can do. And when all is said and done, the fate of the game could rest on their shoulders. Might the fate of the rest of the season rest on them as well?
Maybe. One thing I know for sure, though, is that a win by the Dolphins and suddenly this team's possibilities would en endless.
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5 Reasons the Dolphins lose
1. They must be able to score 25+ points, which they have done 2 of their 5 games and which the Saints have allowed 2 of their 5 games (in garbage time I may add)
2. To win, Miami will have to get away from what they do best – RUNNING THE DAM BALL!
3. Saints’ defense has made a living on making a mockery of first year QB’s and making vertern QB’s look like it is their first year (not so much w/ Eli, but Eli wasn’t good either)
4. Miami has made a living, making a living for TE’s. Ooops, J. Shockey is in for another payday
5. Time of possesion does not equal wins (hince Indy game) and neither does leading the league in rushing. Interesting stat here: Of the top 10 passing teams in the league: 1 does not have a winning record. Top 10 rushing teams? 3 have a winning record.
Ooops again. Good to have hope though, without hope – why live?
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 23, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David vs. Goliath
By no means is this David vs. Goliath. Some may place NO on a pedistal making them the preverbial Goliath, but Miami is no David (again, Saints fan here)
Miami is the only team who can successfully run the wildcat, as proven last and this year. I truly believe that Henne is a star in the making and Miami’s defense is no push over. You guys have something great going on and (even though the rocky start) you have the potential to make a storng run in the playoffs.
Your team is designed to manage the game (which is done so effectively) and to play from ahead, as so is the Saints defense (playing from ahead). The only issue is: if you get behind (14 or more points). The Saints have the power to overcome such a deficit, Miami on the other hand – well, thats not your game plan and when teams let other teams dictate their gameplan, they lose.
All I can say is, look at the history. Teams like Miami vye well in the playoffs, where offensive juggernauts struggle. Win or lose come Sunday, Miami is a team to be reckoned with.
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 23, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
David vs. Goliath (meant to post this in reply section)
By no means is this David vs. Goliath. Some may place NO on a pedistal making them the preverbial Goliath, but Miami is no David (again, Saints fan here)
Miami is the only team who can successfully run the wildcat, as proven last and this year. I truly believe that Henne is a star in the making and Miami’s defense is no push over. You guys have something great going on and (even though the rocky start) you have the potential to make a storng run in the playoffs.
Your team is designed to manage the game (which is done so effectively) and to play from ahead, as so is the Saints defense (playing from ahead). The only issue is: if you get behind (14 or more points). The Saints have the power to overcome such a deficit, Miami on the other hand – well, thats not your game plan and when teams let other teams dictate their gameplan, they lose.
All I can say is, look at the history. Teams like Miami vye well in the playoffs, where offensive juggernauts struggle. Win or lose come Sunday, Miami is a team to be reckoned with.
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 23, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont worry, none of us think that this game is going to be a cake walk.
I think we can win but your correct. We can not afford to fall behind by much.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 23, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As tough a 3 game stretch as any
.72 percent win – loss; an unbeaten, 2 away division games with the 2 already ahead of us. Gonna be a fun ride – this is what we have been waiting for all summer. I like our chances.
by coloradokevin on Oct 20, 2009 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lets go phins baby!!!
I’ll be there chearing for us, we can do this. Nobody in the league is able to keep Drew Brees off the field like our offense can.
by phinfan Neal on Oct 20, 2009 12:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is so stupid about that 18th rated pass defense its mainly based on how bad our safeties have played
Seriously how many yards have te’s hung on the Phins this year. The only glaring problem i see other than the safeties is indeed Will Allen. We need to toss this boundary corner BS and matchup with the WR’s that suit each corners ability and play style. All SD had to do to get Jackson off Sean Smith was flip to the other side of the field. Thus granting them a huge advantage against Will Allen.
Man up and Shade them wherever they go
Smith on Colston
Will Allen on Lance Moore
Vontae on Meachem/Henderson
Jason Allen on the bench
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 20, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the bench would torch Jason Allen.
Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23
There are times in my life wheere I have self-doubt, but when this happens, I simply ask myself: What would Don Draper do? So I bone a random whore.
by Patssuck456 on Oct 20, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I
Start the bench on my fantasy team if they have jason allen covering him the bench will prolly have 50 pts this week
by Miamiboi84 on Oct 20, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stat
NO has last one game this pre-season/season – to the MIAMI DOLPHINS! 2nd time a charm – Go Fins
by coloradokevin on Oct 20, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
no didnt play any starters in that game, we played them the 1st quarter
by YatilGinnJr on Oct 20, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are an idiot,Saints did not play one starter the 4th preseason game
Dolphins played 1st team offence and 1st team defence whole first half and we still only won by 3 points,so do not make statements that stupid….
by bigbaddon on Oct 21, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could you have made your point without calling someone an idiot?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not.....
Let him prove us wrong
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not the point! I guess there has to be one classless one in every group!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any given Sunday
These might be the two most exciting teams in the league.
by la Roc on Oct 20, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more like Henne Given Sunday
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 20, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like that too
rec’d
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 20, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
put it in ur sig
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No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
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by samdaman on Oct 20, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see a game like the Indy game....but we WIN!!
"You are the people you hang out with"
by buckeyebill on Oct 20, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game determines
if I hope for draft position or another division championship.
Confidence breeds success, self-doubt breeds failure
by Blaze453 on Oct 20, 2009 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
idk
I think we’re in a place right now where I expect the Phins to win more than we lose. Unless Henne turns out to be a bust, I don’t care if we get the latest pick of the non-playoff teams, I want us to keep winning because that tells us the Phins don’t have far to go.
by Jbphinfan on Oct 20, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Love it!
The banter between fans is awesome!
Big Saints fan here and all I really hope for this game is exactly what’s on the menu: A pass-happy offense with running ability versus a pretty good defense with the will to win at home. On the flip side, a defense coming into their own versus a team that ‘owns’ the wildcat moniker and a fresh QB trying to make a name for himself with good WRs. This should be a good game and one I’m waiting to watch. (From a personal perspective, I’m really glad that it’s being played so late in the states so I can sleep until 0500 and still catch it….those early games are killing me!)
All we should really be concerned about is all the players making it through the game without serious injury. May they all sweat blood and tears but come out with bones and ligaments in tact. Amen.
GEAUX S88S!! Konichiwa!!
by s88fan on Oct 20, 2009 4:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good post and welcome to the phinsider
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 20, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool name lol
hey man for sure im DEF looking forward to a battlle between the best team and possibly the most exciting/hot team. Should be a great game. Expect a close game unless we have no answer for Brees. Hope we beat you guys, but good luck in continuing success this season, your city needs something to cheer about!!!
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
Sean Smith/Vontae Davis= Pat Surtain/Sam Madison
by BSerious72 on Oct 20, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is
unless we win the following 2 and get back to 4-4 before the stretch of less difficult games.
It will take a savvy game plan to beat, one part is run the ball well, don’t make mistakes and own the clock, but the Saints are so good on offense, and even if we manage to mark their big receivers, they can kill us in the middle with players like Moore, Shockey and Bush out of the back-field, especially that our MLBs and Wilson suck in coverage.
I still think we need to make them one dimensional and make sure they don’t run against us, again, sounds crazy but thats how i see it.
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by MoLimits on Oct 20, 2009 4:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we will make them one dimensional.
If it were not for the fake punts last week we would still be the number one rushing defense.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking for a Phins win
lets not be too hasty though on proclaiming the season over though. Lets not forget that last year this team was 2-4 after an ugly loss to the Ravens. After that the team went 9-1 to win the division. Now I am not saying that lightning will strike twice, but even with the tough schedule, 10-6 is not out of reach. The division title is still within our sites. We have the Jests next week who unfortunately lost their run-stuffer Big Kris Jenkins for the year. New England only showed that they can beat down on an awful team that couldn’t put much pressure on Brady, and then theres the Bills. Throw in the non divisional games ahead and I repeat, 10-6 or 11-5 is definately still attainable!!!!!!
by IEphinfan23 on Oct 20, 2009 5:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately lost their run-stuffer Big Kris Jenkins for the year
Although I am not rejoicing in another person’s pain, I am not able to say that is an “unfortunate” event. Quite fortunate, in fact.
by Jevant on Oct 20, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed this too,
but I like that he said unfortunate. We’re better than The Jests as a football team and as people.
Driver of the Make David Lee OC Bandwagon
Repentant Former Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Oct 20, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if we win it's a defining game
If we lose, it’ll just be more of the same against great teams, even if we lose close. We could have won any of those first three if we’d have stepped it up in just a few places, and all three games were winnable in the fourth quarter if we’d have put together drives. I think the Indy game defines us a lot more if we lose to NO Sunday. How we can do everything right and still lose because we’re just not quite there yet.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Oct 20, 2009 7:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Winning is certainly in the picture
we have to play the Saints like we did the Colts. Controlling the ball. Henne just needs to manage the game. We don’t need him trying to get in a shootout with Brees. If the Saints have watched ANY film on us they’ll know that covering TEs are our problem, so I bet they have some seam passes or outs patterns to Shockey drawn up that they will use early and often to move in our Safetys. If we dont apply pressure, then when our safety’s move up Brees will just bomb it deep for a quick score. And dont even get me started on their running/ screen game.,,,,,
RONNIE BROWN GETS A TOUCHDOWN!
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by Rytackle on Oct 20, 2009 7:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you gotta love Sean Smith...
the dude is super confident but not cocky…..And he is the real deal
I would like to see how much he has been targeted this season because i’m sure it hasn’t been much!!!!!!
by scbrandon on Oct 20, 2009 8:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
big game, but not the BIGGEST
although i think this will be a good game, (and im glad were playing in miami and not the super dome.) i don think this is the defining game of the the first half of the season. the main reason is that it’s not a division game, not even a conference game. a win keeps the phins on pace with the pats, who play Tampa Bay btw. the biggest game for me is the same game as many of the recent years…….the hated pats!!!! miami has to win the division to make the playoffs. the division came down to a 3rd tier tie braker last season. i would love for the fins to win sunday but the game coming up against the pats, is by all acounts a must win to retain the division title. right now the phins are 2-0 in the afc east. the other three teams have atleast 1 loss in the division. if miami beats the patsies…..all they would have to do is match the win total with the pats. and the afc east is ours again. i think a win over the saints bring some national attention back to miami, but to be honest with you i kinda like being the under dog. the dfensive key to the game for the fins is pressure on brees. they like to run deep routes, witch take time to develope. im looking for merling and langford to step up and get in brees’s face. tie crowder to pierre thomas and reggie bush becomes a non issue. offensively, we all know that the RxR express is vital to the dolphins ability to keep brees and crew off the field. but i look for hartline to make a big play down the sideline and bess to turn it up over the middle. i think fasano has a big game in the red zone. no doubt about it. it’s a big time game for the fins, but imo the pats will be the biggest this half of the season
by frostyphinfan on Oct 20, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
probably agree
a loss here isnt the END of the world. We cannot get swept by the Pats this year however, that is NOT an option if we intend to be competitors.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
Sean Smith/Vontae Davis= Pat Surtain/Sam Madison
by BSerious72 on Oct 20, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and one other thing
we all saw what the saints did to the giants. but we also remember the saints squeeking by the jets, in a sub 20 point game. by hook or by crook the fins have put up 38 and 31 points in the last 2 weeks………i think 30 again wins the game
by frostyphinfan on Oct 20, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
squeaking by the Jets?
The Saints beat them by 14 points. And for the record, the Saints haven’t scored less than 24 all season (averaging 38.4/game). Now, you may want to focus on the fact that the Saints had 2 defensive TDs against the Jets. A lot of Saints fans grumbled about that too. I like to point out that the fumble recovery in the end zone happened after the Saints had a great 65 yard drive, and the only reason they didn’t punch it in was because of some goofy play calling by Payton. He won’t make that mistake again.
by HB-NOLA on Oct 20, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take a loss in this game,
if we can win the next 2, then we’d be 4-4 and 4-0 in our div., remember we were 2-4 last year.
by uncle finster on Oct 20, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reasonable...
but it sure goes against the grain for me to think that way going into the game.
"We got a dose of shut-up." - Jets DT Kris Jenkins following defeat to Dolphins
"Any time you try to win everything, you must be willing to lose everything." -
Larry Csonka
by OntheGo on Oct 20, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying
if we lose it’s not the end of the world, I don’t see this as a must win game, I think we can win, but it is obviously much more crucial to win those next 2.
by uncle finster on Oct 21, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. If we win 2 of the next 3 then we are in good shape.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I would take that too
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 20, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only Tampa
gives up more yards per pass than us. its going to be a true test for our young CB’s. im as big a dolphan as the next guy….but it could be a very long day for the Dfense. if we win this one id be very suprised.
by dlux2561 on Oct 20, 2009 9:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that partially because our safeties and LB's keep getting killed by TE's?
by Jevant on Oct 20, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've said before alot of that is due to the fact that were not getting pressure on the QB and Safeties need to get to the ball quicker.
You can’t expect a CB, or LB to keep a receiver in check forever it’s just not possible. Bottom line to win this game we need to keep Bree’s off the field and when he’s on the field. To be in his face every chance we get. Personally I don’t see it happening due to the fact JT and JP hasn’t done it all year, but I hope they surprise me this week with some early Christmas presents. + (Give Wake more Reps)
by D0lphins4Life on Oct 20, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bottom line is...
We need to atleast take 2 out of the next 3 to have any chance at making a playoff run….And if i had to choose which two it would be against the Jests and Pats because thier division games..But beating New Orleans would be great too.. :) Because the schedule gets alot easier after the Pats game…
by 13DolFan23 on Oct 20, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget we can still win one of the two wildcard spots. That just got a little easier with SD and Cinn losing this week. If we take care of business from here on out we can
take one of those and run with it. We’ve already proved we can compete. We just need to finish strong. I’m still not convinced that the Pats are all the media is making them to be. They beat a sorry team in the snow. They did what any good team should due in there own environment. Let’s see what they due against a real team because we all know they should have loss to the ravens. If it wasn’t for the “Brady” calls.
by D0lphins4Life on Oct 20, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will be a bigger task than
trying to beat the COlts.
"Permanence, perseverance and persistence in spite of all obstacles, discouragements, and impossibilities: It is this, that in all things distinguishes the strong soul from the weak." Thomas Carlyle
by Neo on Oct 20, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we have a different qb now
I don’t know if that will make a difference but if you look at the play calling in the Colts game v the Jets game we were more aggressive in the air, maybe because of Henne.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 20, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game to watch
A few weeks back, after beating the Jets, I circled this game as a trouble spot. For some reason AFC teams have given Sean Payton fits in the past. Buffalo was a bit more of a struggle than I woulda liked (although the only points they scored were on a fake field goal).
Then we played the Jets when they were still playing good. We moved the ball well but struggled in the red zone. Thank goodness for Darren Sharper.
Now we have to go up against the wildcat. Depending on if we play the 3-4 or 4-3 and how often we line up in either will go a long way to deciding how well you run on us. I’m sure Gregg Williams is going to try to confuse your young QB into changing into the wrong play when he is under center.
On our side of the ball, with five good receivers, I’m sure you’ll see alot of four wides with Reggie coming out of the backfield. However, Shockey is playing better. So who knows, it may be a repeat of your game with Indy. You control the clock and we have to score fast and often.
I just hope for no major injuries for either team. Good luck to ya.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 10:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
To be honest I'm no scared of your pass rush. We went throgh the entire Jest game w/o our "Young" QB seeing dirt or the stars - who's name just happens to be Chad Henne for future reference.
I am though worried about your air assault. You have so many weapons on that team it should be against the rules. Our pass rushers and safeties need to dry up there split tail and grow some freaking balls because they need to step up now. They have had plent of time to gel and something isn’t working and they need to figure that out soon. I don’t know how much longer I can keep this razor blade away from wrist. Every time a ball goes deep I kringe because I know the safties going to get beat or be late getting there everytime.
by D0lphins4Life on Oct 20, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I'm not to worried about the pass rush
I’m worried about Gigarbage trying to tackle.
Current Phinsider Feud Points: 23
There are times in my life wheere I have self-doubt, but when this happens, I simply ask myself: What would Don Draper do? So I bone a random whore.
by Patssuck456 on Oct 20, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girbage or Gibrage
lol
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Repentant Former Driver of the Trade-Ronnie-Brown Bandwagon.
by joel311 on Oct 20, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no
I wasn’t referring to our pass rush. What I meant was to get Henne to audible into a run in the wrong hole or think he sees an overload blitz that instead rolls into a zone blitz right to where his hot read is. That where half our INTs have come from.
And you are probably right to not worry about the pass rush.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
What a difference in the tone from a Saints fan as opposed to a Jets fan. Well thought out response WhoDat. You sure you don’t want to hop on the Fin Bandwagon while it’s still open?
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
i’m not sure how the ny fans talked to ya’ll but i know all three teams(bills,jets,and giants)fans talked crap to us i am so glad we shut them up but now the giant fans are blaming the refs i wish we could play them more then once a year just to rub it in on them
by simone219 on Oct 20, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Refs?
Did they watch the game? They should be blaming their players for allowing them to get their asses WAXED!! I loved seeing the “supposed” physical Giants get thoroughly dominated.
Though I never was a huge Saints fan, I did like them back when they had that LB corps from hell…Jackson, Swilling and Co. I think that was the only time in NFL history that 4 LBs from one team made the probowl.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah. The Dome Patrol.
Those were the days. About the only good thing in the 80s.
LOLB- Ricky Jackson
LILB- Vaughn Johnson
RILB- Sam Mills
ROLB- Pat Swilling
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 12:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That was a monster
Linebacking corps there…..they used to give the 49ers fits. And as a Fins fan, I haven’t forgiven the 49ers for beating us in Marino’s only Superbowl appearance. Can’t say I have been unhappy with the 49ers recent struggles post Montana and Young.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And RW can from there too!!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
by Aleta on Oct 20, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow....
What a difference in the attitude and tone of a Saints fan vs that of a J-E-T-S fan/a-hole. Nice post WhoDat…..good points and I hope that neither team has an injury either. It kills me to know that Brees should have been our QB though! You sure you don’t want to hop onto the Fins bandwagon before there isn’t anymore room? Great Post!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the invite
but I’ve been through too many lean years with the Saints to jump ship now. You remember the Aints don’t ya.
It is kinda strange though how the two teams are linked.
1) Brees coulda went to Miami
2) You got Ricky from us
3) The Parcells-Sparano/Payton connection together at Dallas
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and yeah the NY fans
both Jets and Giants fans were pretty obnoxious both before and surprisingly after the games. They talked alot of smack before. And after it was all “Yeah, but…”
“You beat us yeah, but if Sanchez didn’t play like a rookie. You should be REAL proud that you beat a rookie.”
The Giants fans said ,“Yeah, but the refs made it real easy for you.” The refs did suck but it went both ways.
Oh well, what are ya going to do but let em cry I guess.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I like you, you actually have a brain
Stop by any time, we love fans that make sense. Although we are stuck with Jest fans all too often so we don’t get the intelligence frequently. Thanks for coming by and giving your input not just saying some thing like “YOUR TEAM SUCKS, WE WILL WIN” or the like, people like you are welcome anytime.
Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 20, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
I appreciate that. Feel free to swing by Canal Street Chronicles. Although I have to warn you, after dealing with NY fans for the last month they may be a bit defensive to start with. But as long as you’re civil they will be too.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 1:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I'll have to stop by and I promise I'll be civil.
Don't question my fandominium.
"the notorious D.I.B."- samdaman
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 20, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
umm yeah
u guys swept the NY teams, funny the Jets didn’t give us any credit either when we torched him for 800 yards rushing or whatever.
Laces out!
-2008 AFC East Champions-
Suck it Pats, Bills and most of all... the god damn jets.
Sean Smith/Vontae Davis= Pat Surtain/Sam Madison
by BSerious72 on Oct 20, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well keep us in mind
Just incase another natural disaster hits and there isn’t football there for a while. But you guys are due for a good year. I was stationed in NO for 4 years and used to do the color guards at some of the games.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got me beat
I’ve never been to NOLA. I hope to make it there when my grandsons grow a bit. Born and raised in Ohio. Thus the OH in my username. I did however live in Tucson for five years.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 12:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well I was actually born in Columbus
But that wasn’t my fault…my parents were on vacation driving from Michigan to New Hampshire (grandparents in both places) and I decided to pop out early. So saying that, I guess it was my fault!!
But I lived the 1st 18 years of my life in Florida and have been watching the Fins since 74’ (I was 4 years old and loved them then!)
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you missed the '72 perfect season? That sucks!
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well I didn't miss it....
I just didn’t know what the hell my dad was hootin and hollerin about! I was just a 2 year old that thought my old man was crazy!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here. My whole family were fans back then but I was also
only 2. I dont think I had a clue.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn I'm old. I was a teen!
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Its all relative! I feel old next to most of the guys on this blog!
Some are not out of high school yet and most are still in there 20’s.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt if you know
where it is but I’m from the Youngstown area. Jim Tressel, coach at Ohio State, won three Division II championships there before leaving for Columbus.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I know where it is.
I have been all over Ohio, including Canton for Dan the Man’s HOF induction. No way in hell was I going to miss that. I do feel deprived to a degree though. I am pissed there was no Sunday Ticket back when Dan was playing! I would have loved to be able to watch and record every single game he played!
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Czonka lives about 20 minutes south of me.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
If you see him let him know that some of us Phin fans are still
mad that he got his trademark nose fixed!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He owns a pretty big farm.
He looks like he could still lower his head at the goal line and punch it in! Except for the grey hair, of course.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 6:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Does he still have that fishing show?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That first point hurts still WhoDat
I am still mad as heck at Nick Saban for making THAT boneheaded move, taking Culpepper over Brees…WTF was he thinking?
by TEC75 on Oct 23, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No more talking about it. Please make it stop!!!!!!!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 23, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just agree with yourself?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 23, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No with you.
I agree I need to stop talking about it. It just hurts.
by TEC75 on Oct 23, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its slowly crushing my soul!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 23, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Its ok. Your not the first and you wont be the last.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 23, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
our defense
is a whole lot better then people give it credit it will not be as easy to run the ball and control the clock as you think.our head coach ponied up $250,000 of his own money to bring greg williams to n.o. as defensive coordinator and he has proven to be worth every dime our players believe in him and he has brought that hard nose mentality with him and they are playing great
by simone219 on Oct 20, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Granted
The Saints D is better than it has been in the past…but no one has even slowed the R&R express down. And now that there are even more wrinkles in the WILDCAT, assuming that we don’t fall behind early, your defense will definitely have it’s work cut out stopping our run! It becomes a mute point if your boys jump out to an early lead though.
by Vanman_FishFan13 on Oct 20, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weather could be a factor in this game, people...
the gametime condition is being forecasted at mid to high 80’s with a chance of rain. Advantage; Dolphins
by SDefee on Oct 20, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
weather
it was windy and drizzling in philly when brees and co. put 48 points on the eagles im not saying your not better then the eagles but it is in the 80’s in n.o. so the heat wont bother the saints and brees plays well in the wind and rain
by simone219 on Oct 20, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true...
but then again, Oakland beat Philly but I see your point.
by SDefee on Oct 20, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as
it isn’t like your game v. Pittsburgh a few years ago, I think it’ll be okay. It may slow down the speed guys but at least it affects both teams.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Time of Possession Baby
I’d like to see the Fins keep the ball for 45 minutes again like they did against the Colts. I know it did not result in a victory last time, but I like the chances more then letting Brees on the field to throw the ball where every he wants!
The Patriots Suck
by k2oconnor on Oct 20, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And stop 3rd down convertions, thats the key!
If we stop that 3rd down convertion, we are gona win this game!
I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(22 years and counting)
by Aleta on Oct 20, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Point of fact on 3rd down conversions
The Saints allow only 27.3% to opposing offenses.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 2:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Whats there percentage against the Wildcat?
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what is so scary
Not being in your division, we never see the original wildcat. Philly ran it for like nine plays until they fell too far behind and gave up on it.
I don’t envy Gregg Williams trying to scheme against it. But that’s what he gets paid for. That’s why I posted earlier that I circled this game a month ago as one that could be real trouble.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
hee hee will the real wild cat please stand up!
I dont think the saints have seen the real wild cat , but they will. No disrespect intended , the saints are a great team this year and we are going to have to pull alot out of our hat , but I think we have the tools to do it. Execution is the key and getting a good pass rush in brees s face,clock control with the run, and oh by the way, no dome over their heads to keep them cozy. welcome to the jungle
by finslifer on Oct 20, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Wildcat
isn’t scary at all coming from any other team than Miami. Philly tried it on us and we shut em down hard, 23 yards on 11 plays. But like I said before, the real wildcat is down there in Miami. Henne has really stepped up in the last two games too, honestly this game and our away game in Atlanta are the two I think we are most likely to lose. And just to back up what you guys posted before, NY fans SUCK, they are beligerent and annoying over on the CSC sorry you gotta put up with that twice a year. Geaux Saints!!! Who Dat!!!
by Lil_joe692 on Oct 20, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought
With all this talk on us stopping the Saints, what about their preparation for us? not saying they are fearing us, but they are putting a game plan to increase their chances.
So what could be they thinking? simple, force Miami to throw and abandon the Wildcat….how? take the lead as fast as possible.
The essence, 10 bucks they will go deep on the first drive, if not the first couple of plays, and 10 bucks if it doesn’t work they will try again in the first couple of drives several times.
To them, whats the worse can happen? a turnover? 3 and out? even if we get the ball and get the WC in motion, it can only score 7 points, and if one team is confident that it has the passing game to get back, this is it.
So i seriously hope the coaching is ready for it , again, i am so confident we will see a bomb in the first 2-3 plays from Saints offense, especially if they win the toss.
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
by MoLimits on Oct 20, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A note:
The Saints have scored on every opening drive to start the game (4 TDs,1 FG). We haven’t trailed score at all yet. If we win the toss, average opening drives are 75 yards taking around seven minutes. So time of possession is important to us as well.
With your ball control, I don’t see either team getting more than 6 or 7 possessions so we have to make them count. Special teams and field position may just decide this one.
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 4:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Thats true but all streaks come to an end eventually!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're right but hoping you're not. LOL
by WhoDat_OH on Oct 20, 2009 4:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Right!
I just hope it happens this week!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the fins can get through the next three games with a 2 and 1 record...
They have a real shot at being a power house in the AFC. Their schedule turns to mush after these three games. The Jets are fading fast (go figure), the Pats will always be a tough game, and coming off a beat down of conference rival GIants, the Saints are ready for the let down. Beat the Saints, Beat the Jets, play the Pats tough and see what happens, and the fins can actually return to the playoffs.
by Jack Zullo on Oct 20, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Saints
have been putting together really good game plans this year. Doing exactly what they need to do to win, no matter what the team is. The Wildcat is hard to plan for though, watch for SP and Brees to air it out against your safeties early for that quick lead and then pound the rock as much as possible to keep it.
by Lil_joe692 on Oct 20, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope they try and pound the rock. That will help us!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
were screwed
the saints are for real!
by dlux2561 on Oct 20, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats real positive!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 20, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes it is
Self-proclaimed president of the Pat White and Brian Hartline fan club.
No hating on Jay Fiedler, please.
Official Back-Up Phinsider LOL'er.
The one and only "ho-nerd"
by samdaman on Oct 20, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
saints fan here
i’m excited bc it’ll be my first saints game that i’ve gone to that’s NOT in the superdome…
i’m worried about us losing the time of possession battle like y’all did with the colts—but not having a superhuman performance from brees. his worst games have been on the road, so i’m really hoping he plays like he did last week or else this game will be tight.
key matchup—chad henne vs darren sharper. he eats young qbs for breakfast. seriously.
by jful on Oct 20, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey fins fans, thanks for the smackdown you put on the propeller airplanes…i mean jets! ol’ girl and i enjoyed it deliciously. looking for a better game from y’all than what the overrated g- girls could give us. ricky’s lookin’ this year , sure wished he hadn’t wasted all that time !!
by hiramsaint on Oct 20, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AM I crazy to think this is a this a win-able game?
I am watching rewind and aside from a few bad turns in this game with the Giants they do not do anything spectacular. It looks like the Giants are blowing coverages and letting people get wide open. I don’t see the Saints doing a great job of stopping the run. I also think it will be interesting to see how our rookie corners step up to the challenge. The biggest glaring hole in our defense is with the safeties being able to cover. We are constantly getting beat by TEs. They seem ok with letting the TE catch a 20yd pass as long as they can make the tackle immediately. That is a huge problem. Other than that I think we can do well.
by Jason Scott_90 on Oct 20, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not crazy and I beleive we win!
I mean why not? Nobody can stop our rushing attack, our secondary might finally step up and Chad Henne makes a name for himself!!! Ater sunday… nobody will ever call him ¨¨another young QB¨¨
GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by costa rica fins on Oct 20, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on brother!!!!!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally!!
I have found a place that actually has people that speak with intelligence.
You are in my favorites.
by joeyoneshot on Oct 21, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally!!! part 2
I’ve been a Saints fan all my life. I don’t really hate any other team….. sometimes some individual players perhaps, but not the team as a whole. What I do hate is obnoxious fans who can only prove a point by insulting the opposing team and the city and fans that team represents. Based upon what I’ve read here, here’s my promise: With the exception of this week, I’ll root for you guys the rest of the season.
Good luck getting to the playoffs.
by Drew-Dat on Oct 21, 2009 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's to 15-1 Saint. Geaux Phins!!!
Chief Stalker/ Lead Paparazzi of the official Matty I Fan Club
Knowshon Moreno is actually the illegitimate chocolate son of Dan Marino. Its true!!! I have pictures!!!
Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.
Mike Singletary- "Our formula is this: We go out and hit people in the mouth."
by Farorefox on Oct 21, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen!
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 21, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that. 15-1.
But you Saints fans on here seem real classy and I got you picked to go to the SB this year, (probably along with every other level headed football fan) but Sunday we need to put a cog into that well running machine you got down there and give them that first loss, I do not believe it will be a whooping, but I do feel like it’s going to be a great game.
by TEC75 on Oct 23, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that sentiment!
Of the teams that have a shot to win it all I would probably want it to be the Saints. That being said we need to take it to them this week.
"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons
by texascowpunk on Oct 23, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents
To me, the season has just begun and is FAR from over. As a Saints fan, I have seen years and years of torment. Seasons, when it appears that we have something special going on and somehow, some way they manage to screw themselves.
Cases in point:
1991, the Saints open the season 7-0, go 9-1, and finish 11-5 – all to lose in the first round of the playoffs.
1992, 12-4 record: lost in first round again. 6 years straight after that, not one winning season.
-one more to solidify my point- 2002, they start 6-1, go 7-2 and finish 9-7 losing 3 straight at the end – to which if they won 1 of the last 3, they make the playoffs. To top it off, they lost to the Cincinnati Bengals who were 1-14 in week 16.
That is a glimpse of 42 years the Saints have been around.
So, thats my take: Nothing is absolute in week 6 of the NFL.
by Miagi Say You lose on Oct 23, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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