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A way too early look at offseason needs

The dreaded bye week is upon us.  While it's great having the bye coming off of a win - a Monday Night Football win over a hated division rival, by the way - these off weeks still anger me.  After all, there's only so much talking we can all do about the Dolphins' win over the Jets last week before we're all itching for another game.  But we have to deal with it - and the "bye week Friday" is always a crappy day.  Now when the work/school week ends, we have no Dolphins football to look forward to.

So as I was racking my brain trying to figure out what to talk about today, I had an idea.  It's never too early to talk about what kinds of offseason improvements the Dolphins need to make to get better for 2010.  And with these latest rumors that the Dolphins might be "buyers" here as the trade deadline approaches, I figured we should quickly touch on what needs this team has that have to be addressed in the offseason.  And to spark some debate, I've ranked the needs in order of priority - as I see it, anyways.  Below are my thoughts.  Be sure to share yours in the comments.

Priority #1 - A true #1 receiver
This is obviously the top need on the team.  While I love the guys this team has (to varying degrees, of course), you simply can't argue the fact that the Dolphins do not have a true, legitimate number one receiver on their roster.

This isn't a knock on any of the guys who are here right now.  In fact, there was never a time in which I did think any of these guys were going to eventually become a number one receiver.  Even when Ted Ginn was drafted - or "over-drafted," as he was - I never thought he'd become a true number one guy, despite the slot he was selected in the draft.  He just doesn't have "it."  But I do think he's an ideal number two receiver - and has a lot of value on this team as the only receiver on the roster who can stretch the field.

Guys like Greg Camarillo and Davone Bess are also potentially great number two or number three receivers.  Bess, for example, will become one of the best slot receivers in the league as he progresses.  And Camarillo, before his injury, was well on his way to becoming a terrific complimentary receiver - and still might become one.  But there's nobody on this roster who you can rely on making big catches in big spots - like Dwayne Bowe did for KC this past weekend or like Braylon Edwards did for the Jets on Monday night.

Star-divide

Priority #2 - Upgrade at inside linebacker
I'm not here to crap all over Channing Crowder and Akin Ayodele.  They've both had their good moments in these first five weeks and their bad moments.  But we're kidding ourselves if we think these two are anything special.  Crowder is what he is - a run stuffing inside linebacker who is a liability in coverage.  Ayodele, meanwhile, is a serviceable starting linebacker with a lot of experience and who will perform well enough to keep his job for now.

But Ayodele is now 30 years old and will only lose more of his athleticism as time goes on.  And Crowder isn't exactly a quick linebacker himself.  There's the problem.  Neither of these guys are good in coverage nor are they particularly good at blitzing.  In a 3-4 defense, you don't need two great inside linebackers.  You can have one slower one who can stuff the run as long as the other can cover and has good range.  Neither of these two can do that.

Just imagine how much better this defense would be with a linebacker who is even 75% of what Patrick Willis is.

Priority #3 - Another young pass-rushing outside linebacker
Joey Porter and Jason Taylor haven't exactly been dominant this year.  Taylor has 3.5 sacks - but 2.5 came in one game against a terrible offensive line - and Porter has been slowed by a hamstring injury.  Neither are exactly spring chickens, either.  And while Cameron Wake has shown some promise, he, too, has only put together one great game.  Whether it's lack of playing time or not, Wake is still far from a sure thing - though there's a lot to potentially be excited about.

Regardless, you can never have enough pass rushers in this league.  The Giants proved that when they went out and shut down one of the best offenses ever on the biggest stage of them all.  And remember, you can't get beat deep when you don't give the opposing quarterback enough time to throw.

Priority #4 - Return specialist
Let's face it - the Dolphins have a problem on special teams.  We saw just how bad the return teams are last week when Patrick Cobbs couldn't even get the ball to the 20 a couple of times.  For the year, the Dolphins are averaging just 22 yards per kick return.  Last year, they were even worse - averaging just over 20 yards per return.  I know we're all excited about the potential of this offense now with a stronger armed quarterback leading the way, but can't we try to make it a little easier on the offense by giving them better starting field position?

I think that the value of a return man is still underrated, even after Devin Hester proved to the world that return specialist can be dangerous weapons.  But the Dolphins obviously realize this fact - as proven by their rumored interest in Joshua Cribbs.  And whether it's before the trade deadline or next offseason, I hope the Dolphins find somebody who can become that dynamic return man this team hasn't had in a long while.

Priority #5 - Safety
Some will probably rate this position higher on their lists, but I'm not going to do that.  I know that this position has been the obvious Achilles heal of the defense.  Anybody with at least one eye can see that just by watching a quarter of Dolphins football.  But I didn't rank it higher for two reasons.

One - the money already invested into the position.  The Dolphins re-signed Yeremiah Bell to a 4 year, $20 million deal and signed Gibril Wilson to a 5 year, $27.5 million deal.  That's a ton of money invested into two safeties.

Two - the Dolphins have two young safeties whom they like.  Tyrone Culver was signed to an extension that keeps him in Miami through 2011.  He's been getting on the field more and more in recent weeks and his role could continue to increase.  Meanwhile, rookie Chris Clemons shined during offseason practices and has all the physical tools you want in a safety.  He's got great speed, good hands, and can tackle.  But he's very raw and is still learning the mental aspect of the position.  And we don't really know yet if he has the instincts that safeties need to play in this league.

But with all that is invested in the position already, I just don't think this front office will make a big change at safety.  That is - unless things get terribly worse.

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Like the list alot matty

I know the Bye Week sucks, but hey atleast we went into on such a high note.

I def agree but would have to substitute SAFETY for NT as our #5 need. We know where we stand with our safeties, they are good but got off to a slow start and have been alot more effective coming in on running plays then actually passing coverage. I believe we have a great project in Clemons and really DO think this guy is our next starter.

At NT, Fergy has been THE MAN. Even Soliai and McDaniel have showed promise. I would like however to get a young guy to work under these vets and be the future of this line. Somewhat how Jake Long is the face of our our O-line, id love to look into this position, possibly 1st round draft pick, and letting him get comfortable while Merlind Langford Wake and all the other young guns swarm offenses.

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Oct 16, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Safety? Worse?

How could the position of safety on the Miami Dolphins get worse???

Huh?

TH

by oceantracks on Oct 16, 2009 1:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, they could be the Browns or Lions safeties, who I can't even name

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by ocelotfox on Oct 16, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just keep wishing they would play more Clemons and Culver.

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree culver's good in madden

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by kewlguy on Oct 16, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agree delmas is a G

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have the same feelings towards our safeties play, but on there defense if we can't get pressure on the QB any and all QB will be able to make plays against them.

The offense already has the upper hand when it comes to defending against a receiver with knowing when and where the balls going to be and then you throw in inteference rules. If you give any QB in this league time to throw your going to get burnt. We need pressure on the QB Peroid. Wake needs more reps!!!!

by D0lphins4Life on Oct 16, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post as always

My Christmas List

1. Receiver- I think we will go after a F/A this off season. Jackson S/D, B. Marshall Den. , A. Boldin Ari. might cost to much though (AKA) draft picks. D. Bowe KC would be nice before the deadline, there agian might cost to much (Again) draft picks.
2. Inside line Backer- Draft. I like Spikes out of Fla. Probably cost us our 1st.
3. Safety- Before the deadline go after M. Huff Oak. Al Davis will trade. I like our young Safeties, but, I’m getting tired of seeing us get beat in coverage. I think TexasCowPunk had the M. Huff Idea. Give Them Roth for Huff and their 4th.
4. TE- Either the draft or F/A. Re-sign Fasano.
5. NT- Draft. there is good depth for NTs and DTs in this years draft. Probably our 2nd round pick. Anybody see how huge Kris Jenkins looked compared to everyone else. I say Cody out of ALA.
6. KR/PR- Cribbs would be nice, but, not going to happen. Browns Fans would burn the city down.

by FinFanFromCA on Oct 16, 2009 2:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was not me but thank you anyway!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL Huff was my idea! WTF

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by kmb8488 on Oct 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wideout is a tough call right now because I think we can solidify our young defense in this year's draft

I like Dez Bryant and Arrelious Benn a lot, but I think I am more interested in getting a linebacker like Rolando McClain from Alabama. I also like Terrence Cody from Alabama as our premier nose tackle, but I don’t know if Parcells would go for that.

Also try to keep in mind that we are on pace to be picking in the 18-24 range of the first round, which is great because we won’t have to shell out as much cash as the teams who have higher first round picks.

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by kmb8488 on Oct 16, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mock:

1- Rolando McClain
2- Terrence Cody
3- Terrance Toliver/Golden Tate

6- Jimmy Graham

by JP 23 on Oct 16, 2009 9:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Wait!

4- Kam Chancellor/Myron Rolle
5- Nole Devine

re-sign Fasano, and Ronnie Brown.

by JP 23 on Oct 16, 2009 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

YES GOLDEN TATE!

Fanaticism is not logical

by SunDolphin on Oct 17, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

McClain would be nice. Dez would be a good reciever.

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

Good idea KMB. My mistake.

by FinFanFromCA on Oct 16, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha. It's fine. I just threw Huff out there because I figured we could trade a low draft pick for him

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by kmb8488 on Oct 16, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hate the gators

but would love taking spikes that guy is going to be as tar and it might pump up channing having another gator by his side

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Oct 16, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

spikes good, gator hate bad

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

right idea

OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
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by kewlguy on Oct 16, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OFFENSE- Protect the Quaterback at all costs
DEFFENSE- Get to the Quaterback at all costs
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Nobody dies a virgin, Life fucks us all

by kewlguy on Oct 16, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol well that too

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, thats it!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol damn u tex

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by samdaman on Oct 17, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Whats wrong there Sam?

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by samdaman on Oct 18, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like spikes alottt

If he and crowder were to be playing next to eachother, it would be two bad ass, crap talking florida boys. That would give us some major toughness.

by phinfan Neal on Oct 19, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget WR .. All Defense

I would have to say the only things that are needed on this team at the moment would be on Defense and Special Teams. More importantly Playmakers in the Linebackers whether that is ILB or OLB. A punt returner is a need but not a huge one IMO, this will playout more as I’m sure we will see Teddy Ginn get some more reps now with Cobbs out.

While you can argue that a true #1 WR is needed I think with the snaps the WildCat takes and the power running game this position won’t change our team like everyone envisions, just ask Buffalo how TO is working out lol. We do already have young talent on the sqaud in Patrick Turner whom is still learning the skills to the trade so IMO you can go after the holes in the defense before you even think of the WR position therefore making them much more important.

by markus_13 on Oct 16, 2009 2:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we need a #1 reciever. Just the threat makes the whole offense better. Right now

who do we have at that position that demands double coverage? I would like us to pick up one of the FA’s.

I do agree with you on defense though. I say spend at least the first couple of picks on defense. I know we potentially need a TE but if you do your homework you can find a good TE in the 3rd maybe 4th round.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!!! lol

Not against it in the FA market but I guess my main concern is that if we run a WildCat offense with no QB or WR on the field why waste all the money on a position that is a decoy and than have them bitch that they aren’t getting the ball enough lol

Didn’t the Pats win three SuperBowls without a true NO.1 WR? ? ?

With regards to TE I can see us resigning Fasano, I’m sure he will have a breakout this second half as he gets more throws his way with Henne in the lineup

by markus_13 on Oct 16, 2009 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully Fasano will! Hopefully David Martin will come back 100% and then its

not a position to worry about. If I had my way we would concentrate on defense every offseason and pick up a key offensive player here and there when needed. Defense wins titles!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we still keep the WC

Even if you had a stellar passing game, why wouldn’t you open up the running game even more? As much as you could? If one guy is killing the opposition, you don’t say to the second guy “take a break.” You tell him to kill even harder when he’s got the ball.

Fanaticism is not logical

by SunDolphin on Oct 17, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think its going anywhere.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about?

it is absolutely going somewhere! It is going into the playbook for the net 10 yrs!

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YES!

Fanaticism is not logical

by SunDolphin on Oct 17, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was in response to Dolphins4Life.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, i know

just being obtuse. =)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 17, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An offensive deep threat is a must. We have alot of good D-Players that step up when others blow their assignments.

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

LB, NT, S, are our biggest needs in no special order, as far as WR im not sold on Bowe hasnt done enough to intrest me as of yet.

Inside line backer is a must !!!!! so is outside they are just old but heart goes along way, they will make it through the season

i wouldnt waste any of our time with a return specialist that is a luxury in the league and we arent there yet Ginn was special as it gets in this depot… lets us him there

most promising DTs are taken early hopefully one falls to us in the 1st

our safetys are bust for now hopefully they step up and are coached in the right direction. Bell is on my shit list he has shown promise last season but i guess he got paid and so hes done performing

ive been drinking and im done

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by FinfanT on Oct 16, 2009 2:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm, you were pretty high on Ginn (and Beck!) as I recall in '07

but this is 2009 and we can leave 1-15 long behind right? :-)

No #1 receiver – we have too many #2-3’s as well as one dimensional wideouts (pure underneath stuff or only deep/outside threat)

LB core in general: from a pass rushing angle as well as coverage ability (inability that is!)

NT: Ferguson is 34 and not getting any younger. Traylor broke down at 35, so let’s not wait too long…

RB: Ricky is set to retire after next season. We really need a change of pace, scat-back (re: Leon Washington/Sproles type guy) to give us a different option. PLUS, the right player in this spot canpotentially also be your punt/kick returner. That addresses two areas of weakness with one roster spot.

TE: a young player with upside would be an improvement here.

by Natalya on Oct 16, 2009 3:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wasn't high on Ginn

If you actually remember the live thread for the ’07 draft, I freaked out when we picked him – and not a good “freak-out”

by Matty I on Oct 16, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You and the entire rest of Dolphin Nation.

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You watch the Ginn video in "Video Time"?

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was not on this blog yet but I was sitting on my couch feeling like I was going

to throw up.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

same here

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that only happened to you when we drafted Pat White.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i had a party wen we drafted him

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im sure. And then you cried yourself to sleep!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

tears of joy

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by samdaman on Oct 17, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably captured some Jets at gunpoint and ran them over

in gratitude to the Football God for the draft pick.

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 18, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

P-L-A-Y-M-A-K-E-R-S

if you think the Tuna Express did a good job…you are wrong.

compare the depth chart from 2 years ago with the one from this year.
W-O-W

we are about 300 years younger and talent increased about 5000%

we are reeeeaaallly heading the right direction and i always feel like kicking some ass if I read stupid comments like trade for Boldin, Trade for TJ etc etc.

I love that we use the Draft to build and just use FA for missing pieces or players who are hard to find during the draft (at least we try – Wilford, not sold on Wilson yet)

We dont get much love from the NFL and media but who cares they gonna kiss our ass soon enough. Only thing we lack to become a elite (top) team are a few playmakers.

my perfect 2010 offseason plan:

Free Agency
San Diego is dump enough to not resign Vincent Jackson – Welcome to Miami No. 1
Dallas struggles to resign Ware and burns all the cap space so Miles Austin tests FA.
+ Vincent Jackson
+ Miles Austin
(one of the mentioned above would be already great, even if its just Austin)
by the way im not a bandwagon type and im not screaming Austin because of the KC game, i was asking for him last offseason but i understood that the RFA status and a 2nd rounder is too pricey.

DRAFT
please correct me if im wrong, what i read is that we gave up a 5th rnd for Thigpen, KC owns us their 6th and 7th. Satele Trade: swap 4th Rnd + 6th Rnd (gread great deal).
1
2
3
4 OAK
6 KC
6
7 KC

1st Rnd:
if we can address the WR need in FA we can add playmakers on defense im very high on FS Taylor Mayes, his size and speed are insane and he would give us a solution for the atlethic TE we seem to struggle. OR ILB Spikes, we could have a nice Gators ILB duo with Crowder and Spikes, we could increase our already very physical LB Corps and have one mean hard hitting duo.

2nd Rnd:
TE (tweener WR/TE) to stretch the field. Im confident Fasano will progress with Henne under cetner and OLine progressing in pass protection, i like Haynos a lot, that dude is 6’8 and 270 pounds, its like an additional Lineman out there plus hes not bad in the passing game. Upgrade and versitility still would be fun. OR RB, the Pineapple express aint getting younger. Ricky is still a force and about Ronnie we dont even need to talk. I would love to add a change of pace back who still is lil physical.

3rd Rnd: Fergy still brings it, and i like how Soliali is coming along. This here is delicat, if we bring in a young NT that might either progress or regress Soliali. I also like McDaniels a lot, feel like he was a steal for a 7th Rnd. OR CB i dont like the production and the game we get from our Nickel spot, i expect Will Allen to take over that position soon but Will getting in the ages too. OR a young physical Center to learn from Groves who is doing a tremendous job and really starts to pay off.

4th Rnd: Depth and upgrade at OG position. Murphy definately got outplayed by Thomas (no wonder Thomas is a beast). If i imagine that Smiley would go down ooouuuuchhh. With his injury history i would look for a talent at this point

later draft picks:
another OG, i like that if we have a need we bring in more then just 1 rookie for that position so you get a 2:1 chance to fill that need.

OLB : im a fan of Matt Roth, if he can come back and continue the play from last season we ll be very very fine. Porter on the other side if healthy got 2 maybe 3 good season left. Roth and Wake on strong side. Porter and Rookie on the other side. If Anderson doesnt progress i could see us picking OLB much earlier. Jason Taylor is one of my all time fav. dolphins but i dont like his play this season too much. Im curious to see if his production goes up when he doesnt have to play every down but i just feel like he doesnt have enough speed anymore. we dont need to talk about his technic skills but speeeeeed.

by Crowder 911 on Oct 16, 2009 5:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

like our thinking

Laces out!

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by BSerious72 on Oct 16, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft not Free Agency

The Tuna cannot emphasize this enough, we have to build through the draft FA is nice as long as it doesnt cost us our picks. But with the CBA coming to an end next season anyone who is a playmaker will be a RFA and most likely we have no shot at getting them, because there are very few players out there that I would give up a 1st round pick.

If Spikes fell to us in the draft that would be awesome, but I doubt seeing that happen. I still wish we took Duke Robinson when we took Nalbone. What’s the word on him anyway is he in the Dolphins future? But if i was going to name the #1 need it would be NT. Since we run the 3-4 we need a beast in the middle or the entire defense is shot. NE won without a number 1 receiver and then I would put a young pass-rusher next because beyond Taylor and Porter all we got is Wake, and I put safety last because those are big contarcts that we got on Wilson and Bell (How Much Guaranteed?)

by Bluechips85 on Oct 16, 2009 6:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CBA

The CBA changes a lot of things. Bell is guaranteed $10 mil, Wilson is guaranteed $8 mil.

by FinFanFromCA on Oct 16, 2009 7:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FS

i would like to see Culver getting more playing time. Always when i jumped up and celebrating that Wilson made a play on Gates, Gonzalez or Clark – i found out it actually was Culver lol

no doubt that the CBs play good ball, and the Safeties i dont think they are that bad like we make em. the person who really needs to step up is Pasqualoni. his blitzing schemes are just waaaaaaaaay to vanilla and percitable. our zone coverage pretty much sucks and the 3 men rush even make Mark Turnover Sanchez feel conftable.
We need to be way more agressive – after the Bills game i figured out that he finally got it together but Jets play calling was baaaad at best

by Crowder 911 on Oct 16, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He didn't get it together for the Bills game....

They’re just so bad, they made us look really good.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction!!!

 “After all, there’s only so much talking we can all do about the Dolphins’ win over the Jets last week before we’re all itching for another game.”

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by captain flitzy on Oct 16, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I live in NJ

but it’s now gotten to the point where I want another game to talk about

by Matty I on Oct 16, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not me

im in NY, and im talking about it until we beat them again

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why not trade?

Look how many 1st and second round picks are busts. I never understand why anyone would hesitate to give up a number 1 or 2 pick for a proven player. Watch Bowe make game changing plays and now imagine him making them for Miami. Can you guarantee that your 1st round pick will do that.

The biggest problem I have with the trifecta is they go bargain shopping in the clearance isle instead going out and getting the proven players. Wilford, wilson, and the cornerback that I can’t even remember. While this was OK for year 1 when they were filling lots of positions now we are close to having a great young team. A few more great young players and we have a contender for a long time.

MAKE THE TRADE!!!!

by sdelinois on Oct 16, 2009 8:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They are obviously not game changing, seeing as Kc is 0-5.

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last weekend they were game changing

So by your measure Ronie Brown had an ok game against the Colts because we lost.

by sdelinois on Oct 16, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touche Salesman

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no he drops balls

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by kewlguy on Oct 17, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha!

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The main reasons are because of age and money.

The proven player is most likely in his mid to late 20’s, and is going to cost you lots of money to keep him around. Whereas a rookie is in his early 20’s, and comes alot cheaper.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kick that safety out here

Miami needs to get that safety out of the box and It wont happen until they fear the WR’s. With Ginn they are going to fear his speed even if he is not a true number 1 WR. Nobody is going to fear Camarilo’s 8.5 yard completion or Bess 7.5 yards completion. I love those guys but realisticly they are number 3 WR.

by sdelinois on Oct 16, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

IMO its

1) LB – we should take a couple in the draft, one outside, one inside. Preferably Brandon Spikes, dude is a beast. Or Karlos Dansby Karlos Dansby Karlos Dansby.

2) Safety -Eric Berry plzkthanksbye.

3) WR – Vincent Jackson would be a nice pickup, I dont know other any WRs that we scould draft outside of Dez Bryant

4) NT -Fergy is 34 and isnt gettimg any younger Soliai has improved greatly though.

5) QB – assuming Henne completely pulls a 180 and flops hard.

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by Patssuck456 on Oct 16, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we are in a position

to get Eric Berry, that means we either:

a-traded alot of draft picks
b-dont win any more games from here on out, and i still dont think we get him.

by captain flitzy on Oct 16, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true thats just the first name that came to mind

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by Patssuck456 on Oct 18, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LB is huge

both inside and outside… We need to keep Crowder and then replace Ayodele with someone who can cover well. One of my biggest disappointments of the year, maybe the most, is how we get after the QB. We really aren’t getting any pressure

by Ham420 on Oct 16, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol me 2

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Safeties getting No Love

I have been hearing all the Wilson and safety bashing for a while and it seems to lack a little fair perspective. Yes, Gabril has missed some tackles that have led to big gains, but when ANY safety misses a tackle, he is usually the last guy, so that is what happens.
So how good are they?
Bell is ranked #3 amongst all DB’s (CB & safeties) in the NFL, (#2 among safeties) in tackles with 34. Wilson is tied for #12 with 30 tackles, just four less than Bell.
No other team in the entire NFL has two Safeties ranked in the top 20. Not one.
As much as I can empathize with how painful it is watching our safety get burnt, let’s look at the big picture here. Our corners are not great, the linebackers can’t cover the short pass to TE’s and backs and the pass rush has been piss poor. This is contributing more to the fact that our safeties are putting up so many tackles. An yes when you have to tackle that many guys that should have been taken care of, some are going to get through. If a lineman misses there are linebackers, and safeties, but if the corners and LB’s don’t do their jobs, then the safeties take all the blame when they miss, because they are the last line of defense.
Our safeties are very good tacklers over all. Statistically we have the best safety tandem in the NFL, so please cut them some slack and spread some of the blame to the LBs, CBs and pass rushers for their contribution to our pass defensive woes.
Great post Matty. I would just put a monster NT as higher future need than Safety.

by Dolphriend on Oct 16, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

These guys are who we thought they were; a piece of crap

Our secondary is on the top 5 worst secondaries in the league. Yes, they can tackle but that’s because they are always getting beat. Yes, they can hit, but always after they let the receiver make the catch. Both Bell who is one of the most overrated players in the NFL (how can you pay this guy and not pay Ronnie Brown WTF) and Girbril are awful coverage guys. They singlehandedly cost us the game against Indy with those two big plays, they were ridiculed by Vincent Jackson and Rivers, not to mention the joke they were made out of by ROOKIE mark sanchez and first time playing for that team Edwards. I don’t care if we have lots of money tied to these two guys, a change has to be made because this guys are costing us games every time they step on the field. The Hell with ’em

by MauMontaV5 on Oct 16, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually we're ranked 21st in passing defense.

But you can’t lay the whole blame on the safeties. You got two rookie corners trying to learn the ropes. A veteran corner getting picked on. LBs who can’t cover anyone. Not to mention a non-existent pass rush that’s allowing QBs all day to find an open receiver. As for the Indy game, it was a combination of our defense, and our inability to score TDs instead of FGs. So let’s lay the blame on the majority of the defense for not doing their jobs, instead of blaming two guys for all the troubles.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh believe me, I've got stuff for all of them

Will Allen is the most overrated player on the team. Everybody was buying into the hype on how he was “shutting down” everybody at training camp and what not. But who are we kidding, I saw it since last season, he is nothing but a mediocre corner at best. You say it right, “they are picking on him” ! instead of on our rookie corners. That says a lot about him.
Our LBs can’t cover, nough said.
Now, like you say, our pass rush is nonexistent. Something has to be done. Because an awful secondary plus a nonexistence pass rush is a recipe for disaster. JT and Porter are at the end of the line and they can not be on the field together in my opinion. They are just not getting it done.
They are all to blame, I agree. But we can not kid ourselves, this unit has a lot of work to do.

by MauMontaV5 on Oct 17, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

only 21st?

who are the piss-poor teams behind us?

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by samdaman on Oct 17, 2009 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the Jaguars

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 18, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's because we have a good pass rush.

The vast majority of those yards can be attributed to the shitty play of our safeties/MLBs in coverage.

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL your in an agreeable mood today.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

i see what you did there

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Think a Veteran QB is Needed Too

We need a capable backup for Henne too.

by KnoxVegas on Oct 16, 2009 11:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I "think" that might be the intent with Thig.

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Safety Stats

Bell is ranked #27 and Wilson #47 out of ALL players in the entire NFL, while the Dolphins as a team ranks 27th in tackles. Does that tell you something? The only NFL team with 2 safeties in the top 12 in tackling yet we rank 6th from the bottom in tackles. Folks it’s not the safeties.

by Dolphriend on Oct 16, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you!

Finally someone who sees the light!!! I’ve been arguing the same thing since preseason.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The safteys should have to tackle as much, because they shouldn't allow so many completions.

That also gos for our corners. And for our primary for letting players get into the secondary.

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but most of their tackles can be attributed to the LBs and CBs lapses in coverage.

And it’s Bell who’s predominantly the one who’s asked to cover as the SS.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the stats are misleading

the point is that the FS is not fulfilling his role as the “SAFETY”. The last line of defense. The “over the top help”. The guy that prevents the deep play; the big play; the quick strike!

It might only be one or two plays per game, but the are IMPACT PLAYS that he is missing.

BTW, i think Bell is fine at SS.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A good team...

stops the opposing offense on the FIRST line of defense, not the last. Some of those impact plays should have been stopped BEFORE they got to the safety. Too many plays are getting to the safeties that should be handled by the DLine, the LBs and CBs. What positioned burned us most in the first 3 games? TE and RB in the flat. That is a LB/CB assignment. Fix that problem and you won’t be needing that many tackles from the safeties (and opportunities for missed tackles).

by Dolphriend on Oct 16, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not exactly true.

sort of, not not totally. I will give you that some of those plays should have been stopped before getting to the FS, but if this were true:

A good team…
stops the opposing offense on the FIRST line of defense, not the last.

there would be no need to the last line of defense… in other words, if you are a good team, you don’t need a FS, right? You can just throw in an extra DL or LB.

And if you actually go back and look at the games, Wilson was flat out beat because he was out of position and could not recover on too many of those long plays.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like Bell was beat on that 53 yarder.

But you also can’t expect a FS to cover the whole field while the other safety keeps being brought up to help your poor tackling LBs.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, I CAN expect the FS to cover the whole field.

that is kinda sorta his job, depending on the particular alignment.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may be his job to a degree,

but if he’s out there by himself, you can’t expect him to make every play. Even Ed Reed gets beat deep every once in awhile, cause even he can’t cover sideline to sideline.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah if the safeties are making a lot of tackles that can be a VERY bad sign.

I want to see my middle linebacker making a LOT of tackles.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if they are missing a lot of tackles...

it’s even worse ;)

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a SS is ~60% run D, 40% pass D.

the FS should be more like 85% pass D, 15% run D.

Bell supports the Run D well.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But they're both SS, and they're both being used that way.

And the SS isn’t 60-40. It’s more 50-50, because it’s the SS who’s usually asked to guard TEs or RBs on blitzes, with the FS in a deep zone. He may support the run D well, but has been consistently beaten guarding TEs.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I would not object to getting a view of Clemons.

the big problem is that Wilson is making the defensive calls, and responsible for communicating and I don’t think Clemons could go that part of the job.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's probably why we haven't seen the guy.

Their afraid of too many mental mistakes, and at that position, too many mistakes can lead to alot of points.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, that's why they ended up putting Hill in there last year.

he wasn’t the best skill-wise, but he was good at getting the secondary set.

Maybe they could actually get Bell to call it, or try putting Wilson at SS and bringing in Clemons. That was the kid would just have to play for now, and not worry about figuring it out.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of a tough call right now.

I think once our rookie CBs get up to speed, it’ll help offset the fact we got two SS in there. It would also help if our LBs step up as well. In a 3-4, the LBs have to be able to cover the TEs and RBs without S help.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree

We are built, player wise to stop the run. The corners were drafted to play effective one on one coverage, and I believe they will get there in time. Crowder is a decent gap filler but just not fast enough in passing situations. We have been playing more nickle and dime against passing teams to compensate. Having a faster ILB will change the complexion of our defense and make us better at defending against pass-first teams.

by Dolphriend on Oct 16, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, if a safty makes a tackle, its usualy bad

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry stats lie

We are 6th from the bottom in tackles bc we don’t make that many. Teams don’t get as many plays against us bc we always have the ball. Yet we still lose bc of missed tackles. Thanks but you can’t take a tackles stat and say hey they are great!

by troynuke on Oct 16, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is the share of tackles

“We are 6th from the bottom in tackles bc we don’t make that many.” If we are not making many, then why are our both of our safties at the top in tackles?
I am not saying they are great, I am saying they are making more tackles than they should be compared to the total tackles for the team, compared to the rest of the teams in the NFL. I would love to see our safeties making LESS tackles – and our LBs and CB’s making more. Chances are that would mean less yds against us.

by Dolphriend on Oct 16, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's because of how they are used.

Bell was the team leader in tackles last year. Although, our secondary was pretty atrocious most of last season.

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matty

I say we let Henne and Ginn play together for the rest of the season before we say that Ginn definitely isn’t a #1. We all know that Ginn can get downfield, but Pennington couldn’t necessarily get him the ball. I think Henne can deliver that deep ball that Ginn can chase down. If by the end of the year, it doesn’t work out, then you go after a big-time WR in free agency or the draft. I think if Henne continues his strong play, the field will open up dramatically for Ginn, especially with the success of our Wildcat.

Just a thought.

by stonecoldcory on Oct 16, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We may not have a choice

But I think you’re right. I had a lot of fatih in Ginn at one time but lately I’ve lost my good feelings. This entire “we drafted the Ginn family” pisses me off and Cam Cam can go jump in an ocean. But that catch, though it was all Chad’s throw and all Ginn had to do was keep it in his arms, made me think twice. Because it was Ginn’s speed that made it happen, too. The catch was nothing. The throw and speed were everything. I hope what Ginn can do is start catching balls we don’t expect him to. I’m sure a lot of people didn’t expect him to catch that one, either, but the “catch” should have been a given for even good high school players. It was just dropped in there. Ginn needs to step up now.

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by SunDolphin on Oct 17, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cam Cameron was a joke.

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by Farorefox on Oct 17, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no.

Cam Cameron was a punch line

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 17, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what was the joke? I sure as hell dont remember laughing!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL Has a coach in the NFL ever lasted less than a year?

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, I believe two weeks, he was filling in while a true HC was found

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by kewlguy on Oct 17, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont mean guys that are only meant to man the desk sort of speak.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Several

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by Farorefox on Oct 17, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow,

way to completely dismiss Ginn as part of that play. Not a single one of our other receivers could have made it passed all THREE defenders. Ginn’s speed was as much a part of that play as Henne’s beautiful throw. Without either one, that play doesn’t happen.

Get off his nuts.

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep, Ginn did good.

it is entirely possible that he will flourish with Henne at QB and the WC running hard.

but i am a “show me” kind of person. =)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 17, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he as going to be awesome from here on out.

Our run game is just too good which will cause the secondary to bite on an option at least once a game… if Henne pays attention, he will be hitting Ginn deep at least once a game IMOO. (in my optimistic opinion)

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is going to be awesome*

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right, Joel

A lot of people said the third year is the breakout year. I guess I’m just still mad about that dropped endzone pass in the Indy game. I think it was the Indy game.

I’m mad at Fasano, too, and he’s my boy from ND.

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by SunDolphin on Oct 17, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said his speed made that play happen

But it was a routine catch. If he had dropped that ball, no one would have said it would have been a great catch, good try. No, everyone would be calling for him to be cut from the team, and probably he would have been in some hot water.

I hope he can use that blazing speed for more than one great play a game, but if he wants to be a part of this offense, or any offense, he’s going to have to involve his hands and make plays that wouldn’t have otherwise been there. Something he hasn’t done yet.

Ginn did a great job on that play, flashed his potential. But it’s not his get out of jail free card.

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by SunDolphin on Oct 17, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said matty

the only thing i would beg to differ on is Ginn. I don’t think he is an ideal #2. Someone like Hartline or Cammy may be an ideal #2 to someone who is a #1 type, like VJack or Fitz. The #2 guy has to be able to consistent make the catch, and get open. I don’t see Ginn as that guy. IMO, he is more of a #3 guy when you are breaking out a 3-4 wide spread. I just have not seen any kind of the consistency you would need from the #2 guy.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What other profession...

Do you work 16 weeks out of the yr…make millions..and still get a week vacation

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by Rzayo24 on Oct 16, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Politicians

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by SunDolphin on Oct 17, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

they work less

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 17, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao possibly

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll agree with WR, ILB, KR/PR, and OLB

I don’t think we need another S, but I wouldn’t be opposed to getting a true FS. Cause we’re basically starting two SS right now, which is actually a good thing with how horrible our LBs have been tackling.

I think this is most likely how our draft pans out next year.

1st round – NT/LB
2nd Round – WR/LB/NT
3rd Round – LB/WR/TE
4th Round – TE/KR-PR/OL
6th Round – LB/OL/KR-PR
7th Round – OL/LB

These are the positions I think they’ll focus on in each round, and pick the best available at one of those spots. It wouldn’t suprise me at all to see the Dolphins draft 3 LBs next year. The KR/PR pick could be any position as long as they are a threat in the return game.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kick Returner?

Um, did we forget what Ginn can do? He is a true #2 that can stretch the field with speed and has reutrn capabilities. The reason the Fins suck right now is blocking, not personnel.

I would put Nose Tackle as a need as well. Yes Soliai appears to be getting better and we have some others who we can play in a pinch but we need that young guy who can take over for Fergie.

by Big Dawgg on Oct 16, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Fins suck right now?

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by joel311 on Oct 16, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with Joel. I think your overstating it to say we suck. Come on man!

We definately have holes to fill but no sucking going on around here.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he means to say...

“the one area the Fins suck in right now”

;-)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hope so

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by BSerious72 on Oct 16, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oooo below the belt

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I hope so too!

Otherwise……………….

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon now Lefty

you know that we judge people on what they say on here and not what they meant to say without a typo.

=P

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by Chupathingy on Oct 16, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFLMAO!

crap, i fergot that.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to point this out but you did think Ted Ginn was going

to become the real thing. You mentioned it time and again this off season with Sparano posts and all the 3 year wr thing. lol its just true

by MauMontaV5 on Oct 16, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ROFL!

yeah Mau, it really sounds like you hated to point that out.

;-)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha It's just the truth

I was just like “WHAT?” when I read that lol

by MauMontaV5 on Oct 16, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Ted Ginn isn't the real deal?

16 rec for 195 yards and 1TD through 4 games isn’t a breakout year?

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO!!

he might be the tealdeal.

;-)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 16, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course

I’m always going to be to be optimistic

but it’s becoming time to realize what he is and what he isn’t.

by Matty I on Oct 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say

he’s a good deep threat(which helps him shy away from the big hit) and could be a force on the kick returns aka running scared.

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by Phintastic on Oct 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

optimism is good

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol nice mau

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot one...

Throw Jason Allen and Nate Jones off a bridge.

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by chrislucas on Oct 16, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i remember

seeing Nate Jones playing, has J. Allen even played a down besides ST?

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by Phintastic on Oct 16, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

The only chance he might get on the field is in a total prevent D. Even Nate Jones only gets in the game on 4WR sets, but that was to be expected with the two rookies stepping up.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 16, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love jones

i wish we could get him in more. if Allen cant stop getting beat (he is targeted more than our rook, bad sign) Jones would be a really good nickel

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by kewlguy on Oct 16, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nose Tackle?

Hey Matty,

Long time reader, first time poster here. I enjoy your posts a lot.

I agree with your assessment of WR and LB being our top needs. How about Nose Tackle though? I would easily put that above KR/PR and Safety.

J Ferg is a still a beast but for how long? I feel like this is the one hole on our team that nobody is talking about because Ferguson is getting the job done but he only has 1-2 more years left. Unless you think Paul Solai is the answer, which I don’t, we have NOBODY behind him.

by .947 on Oct 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree

there’s a chance Ferguson could retire after this year as well. i like Soliai a lot, and i realize Starks and McDaniel can play NT but this draft will have some VERY good NT prospects and I think we have the chance to pick up a future pro bowl NT in the 1st or 2nd round.

I would go NT or ILB in the 1st round. I realize a #1 WR is a huge need, but as of today I honestly do not think ANY of the WR in the draft is worth a 1st round pick (well, maybe a very late first round pick). I’m really not that impressed with Bryant or Benn.

by kcorona4 on Oct 16, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vince Wilfolk

Pats are moving to a 4-3 defense, we need a NT and Vince will be a free agent. A match made in heaven and we still have a good back-up in Soliai.

In the Parcells rebuilding plan, each year has brought a specific focus: the lines in yr1 and the skill posiions in yr 2 (CB’s/WR’s), In yr 3, I see them filling in the positions that can make the most immediate impact. Our biggest need is the pass-rushing OLB. A rookie to come in and impact the defense like Merriman and Ware did in their rookie years. Does parcells get his next Laurence Taylor?

by crossborderFISHingtrip on Oct 16, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How old is Vince now?

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

27

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shit go get him!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought he was much older

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by samdaman on Oct 16, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too thats why I asked.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wilfork will probably want a deal similar to what Haynesworth got this year or close to it.

And he’s not worth that price. I think this draft will have an uncharacteristic number of good NTs, so unless we can somehow get a free agent like Wilfork for less than a ridiculous price (unlikely) I think we should draft one in the first couple rounds.

by kcorona4 on Oct 16, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haynesworth's contract is not a bad as it sounds. Its heavily back loaded with the biggest

chunk of money. Its designed where the team will either cut him before he hits that part of the contract or force him to renegotiate. He will never see all that money.

"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons

by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that too.

My only point is Haynesworths contract is not bad at all once you look at the way its structrured. You know the media just jump on the potential total $ of the contract and not the reality of it.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 16, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there probrably was a lot of NTs out there in past years

but untill recently there wasn’t that many teams running a 34

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by kewlguy on Oct 17, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I bet they are moving to a 4-3 because of The Wildcat.

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by joel311 on Oct 17, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes thats it

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by kewlguy on Oct 17, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About the Draft

I’ll write a Who to look when your team is about to pick fanpost before Draft. Hope it gets a rec or two :)

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 16, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The 1/3 season mock fantasy madden bye week draft

Is this a penny ante? Or are going for broke with the nickels?

First

by Tunaflipper on Oct 16, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We need many positions

1) #1 WR, a 6"2 to 6"4 guy who will be a nightmare in one to one coverage. Ginn is a perfect #2, a guy who can stretch the field, but he can be shutdown in one to one match-ups on most plays. Someone like Andre Johnson (any chance he is homesick? ;)) , that type of player, will really open up plays for our offense and give our RBs even more running space.

Not sure if we get this in draft or who is available in FA, but a guy like this, Ginn, and Bess/Hartline in slot, Turner as red zone target.

2) NT, as this will help our pass rush from OLBs. Jason Ferguson is really getting up these in age, if he goes down we are seriously depeted here, our run and pass defense will seriously drop in production.

3) TE, again, with this and a true #1 WR, the OL we have and Henne’s potential, this is one of the best offenses in the league. Fasano has disappointed this year, we need someone who is both a better blocker and will also demand more respect from ILBs and Safteys, again, more running lanes for our backs.

4) ILB, Crowder is an excellent #2 ILB, he isn’t quick enough and is awful in coverage to play as a Mike in the 4-3 (he is no Zach Thomas for sure), plus he doesn’t make enough big plays. Ayodele is a decent player at best. A solid ILB that can compliment Crowder is needed.

5) OLB or Safety, I think in 2 years, OLB will be a huge need, maybe the most , but we can survive next season with Porter, Wake and Roth. But if we find a catch, why not? Safety because Bell is older and slower and Wilson has been a bust.

In 2 seasons, the priorities will be OLB, RB (to replace Ricky, the way he is playing this season, i think we owe him to let him play his last season in his contract), and OL again i guess (more depth and getting younger at RT, and some inside linemen as well)

by MoLimits on Oct 17, 2009 4:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FS not SS

Bell has pro bowl caliber but Wilson makes him look bad

by dolfan4ever on Oct 17, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For our safety issues...I'm sure we'll be seeing Clemons sooner or later

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by Kdog92 on Oct 18, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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