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Dolphins might have interest in Joshua Cribbs

According to the Dayton Daily News, the Miami Dolphins have reportedly shown interest in trading for special teams standout Josh Cribbs, who has spent each of his first five seasons in Cleveland.

Cribbs is a dynamic return man, both on kick returns and punt returns.  He'd bring that much needed dynamic element to Miami's special teams units.  He's electricfying with the ball in his hands and is a threat to score every time he touches the football.

Cribbs is a former Pro Bowl special teamer and is having a terrific start to his 2009 season.  He's averaging 26.1 yards per kick return (which is 10th in the league among those with at least 5 returns) and 16.3 yards per punt return (which is 4th in the league).  He's already taken one punt back for a touchdown this season and has taken 2 of his 16 punt returns for over 40 yards.  For his career, he averages 26.3 yards per kick return and 11.7 yards per punt return.  Want an impressive stat?  Cribbs has gained 40+ yards on 10% of his total career kick returns.

He's also only 26 years old and is very versatile.  He's listed as a receiver, though he only has 25 career receptions.  But he could also be worked into the 'Wildcat' over time.  He does have 46 career rushing attempts and his combination of speed and vision would make him a dangerous new cog in Miami's favorite formation.

But what would it take to get him?  I'd imagine it would take a draft pick - a potentially high draft pick.  How high would you be willing to go to get one of the NFL's most dynamic return men?

It's also important to note that while Cribbs has three years left on his current contract, he's been looking for a new deal out of Cleveland all offseason long.  So it wouldn't only take a draft pick to get Cribbs to Miami.  It might also take some money to help keep this special teams standout content.

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha..that's my second hat tip lol...

I really like him, I always get to see the Browns play because I live in PA. And he is a beast!!!

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by Kdog92 on Oct 15, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Our ST play has been terrible for years

but if they are gonna trade, go get a WR. Put Ginn back there for KRs, PRs.

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by Neo on Oct 15, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree.

Ginn is actually really good at returning when he’s focused on that. I think he is a great deep threat, but if we stop using him over the middle period then he’d have more time for KR and PR. He’s taken several to the house so I’d be happy with that.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I second that or third that. Which ever!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

He did return some kicks for TDs in 07

I can remember 2 that was called back b/c of flags. Another one did count.

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by Neo on Oct 15, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

But it isn’t like he has been back there his entire career while in Miami.

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by Neo on Oct 15, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

trade for Bowe instead

Ginn should be doing returns along with the new guy, Sheets….not worth a high pick and a new contract, unless they plan on using him also at the WR position

by daphinatic on Oct 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

bowe is a beast

but he’s injury prone and the chiefs only NFL quality player lol. I doubt they trade him

by kazam92 on Oct 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cassel is quality.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll give a 4th maybe a 3rd for him

he is electric. I’d love him but we shouldn’t give up on ginn

by kazam92 on Oct 15, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

A 3rd! For a kick returner?!?!

that would be terrible for the Dolphins… a 4th rounder and he plays through 2 years of his remaining 3.. his contract is perfect for a KR

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by Souwantmyname on Oct 15, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would be a good move I say pull the trigger

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by Foy on Oct 15, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

This would be good...

But we just picked up sheets, we’d need to sack ANOTHER player, and Cleveland probably won’t let him go until he expires.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,

if we’re going to get a receiver he needs to be a play maker on offense.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't even be discussed until...

We know what it would be for… Please Don’t overspend on a kick returner. There are hundreds of guys on practice squads who have blazing speed and can return kicks… They are not worthy of a 2nd or 3rd round pick. I agree on Bowe. A bit risky on the injury factor, but the guy can change games and has a much larger upside than Cribbs.

by Krush on Oct 15, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Because it's more than just the returner...

Watch the play where Patrick Cobbs returns the kick in the 2nd half (before he got hurt) to like the 16, goes airborn and helicoptered. Other than running backward Dante Hall style (which he is not fast enough for) Our “wedge” of blockers go destroyed in front of him. Our entire Kick return team needs to have much better direction.

by Krush on Oct 15, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

that one example isn't going to change my mind

how about all the ones he brings back to the 25, but the coverage team collapses on him because he doesn’t have game breaking speed?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, he is not the answer...

We need someone with Blazing Speed, but I’m not convinced the entire problem with our return squad is shouldered on the return man.

by Krush on Oct 15, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

but I think a great return man makes an average return unit look alot better. We definitely need to improve the unit as a whole, and I think an electrifying returner is a good start

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true,

Ginn was good even in 2007 and early 2008 when the rest of our ST was god awful.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ginn is not terrible.

Only when he’s being used too much as WR does he return poorly. He is better than Cribbs when he can focus on his return game.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I’ve been watching Ginn run kicks back same as you, and I haven’t seen anything to convince me he’s good outside of speed.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

he trys as hard as he can not to get hit

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

or run out of bounds at the 10

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nicky you know I hate Ginn...

But as a KR/PR…..he’s fantastic.

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by Fr8Train on Oct 15, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it just me...

Or does anyone else get the feeling that Ginn DOESN’T WANT to return kicks… Ginn = Sideline Magnet.

by Krush on Oct 15, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a very good point.

A kick returner gets pummeled.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cobbs is the perfect upback on the KR team

He has good enough hands to catch the short kick and is also tough enough to go block. Ginn or ??? needed to be the main guy returning kicks. Cobbs was not a dynamic player back there

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by Souwantmyname on Oct 15, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder if we put Gibril Wilson at kick returner?

Do you think he can avoid tacklers as well as he avoids making tackles… When you think about it, just 2 different form of NOT running into another person. :)

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd give a 5th round pick... That's about it...

Everyone who said we need to go get a receiver is right. And not just any receiver, a potent goal line receiver. Bowe could be that guy. But I doubt they give him up for anything we could offer. As much as I don’t want to say it, maybe T.O. All I know is people are going to start pressuring Henne more and we need a big target for him.

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by Han The Man And The Band on Oct 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Still don't understand why we aren't

Giving Patrick Turner a shot in the Red Zone… ???

by Krush on Oct 15, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering the same thing… He must not be making tons of plays in practice.

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by Han The Man And The Band on Oct 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares?

He needs to be evaluated in a game time situation. Phillip Merling was atrocious in practice and then he tore it up Week 1.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did not mean who cares about your point,

I meant it as in Sparano shouldn’t care. Just to clarify :P

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%.

I will not be happy if we spend a pick on a big red zone threat when we have not even given our current rookie a chance in game time.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

with the exception of safety our biggest need is a big target in the end zone. He needs to start. Besides, you can always sit Bess or Camarillo as they are the same player.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about a player trade?

Joey Porter for Cribbs? Sorry but JP has not done much this year and field postion could help us tremendously. Plus with JT, Wake and Roth, we have plenty of quality and depth at OLB.
Porter is a big enough name, coming off a huge 2008, that a rebuilding team like the Browns have need for.

by Dolphriend on Oct 15, 2009 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

if were trading jp, i want more than a kick returmer

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus, Yes

I want a quarter of a football team. or half of someone’s draft picks. Definitely more than a kick returner.

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by SunDolphin on Oct 15, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be weird. JP is the team Captain.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but he certainly hasn't played like one

I wish we would have struck when the iron was hot

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by Souwantmyname on Oct 15, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

turner for cribbs.

Turner isnt gonna do anything for us. Browns need a big target now that Braylon has left. He’s still young and we get an electric ST player who can better our field position and possibly break a few back to the house.

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by BSerious72 on Oct 15, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a little early to send off turner

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

and I doubt that the browns would take Turner straight up for Cribbs, even if Cribbs is a role player. If we were signing Cribbs as a free agent, I would like the move. As a trade, I think it’s almost impossible for us to get him without giving up too much.

by nawkus on Oct 15, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Give him a few trys, then trade him off.

But if you do that, and he’s bad, you lose some surprise factor and probably get less of a deal

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You trade him off,

and you lose your real end zone threat, and then I can see us getting the cycle of acquiring a big receiver in the draft or FA every year and letting them go the next year because the staff never really gave them a chance to pan out. Just like Wilford. At least Wilford was active for a couple games, but he still didn’t get any chances in the red zone. We drafted Turner for exactly that situation and that situation is where we were hurting the most in the first 3 games, so why oh why would you not give him a chance? His size alone has to count for something.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO WAY!

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by buckeyebill on Oct 15, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be serious...

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd actually do that.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would give up a 3rd rounder for Cribbs.....

It would be awesome to get an elite kick and punt returner and i would also put him in the slot (instead of Ricky) for wildcat plays

by scbrandon on Oct 15, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

You would take Ricky out of The Wildcat???????

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

not all of the time....

It seems like he falls too much when he’s sweeping around and it would be cool to give Cribbs the ball at full speed and watch him do some damage…

by scbrandon on Oct 15, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

just another weapon, and Cribbs is the triggerman for Clevelands Wildcat, which is one of the only other real successful versions of it

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree,

Ricky going in motion is the main reason Brown doesn’t get swarmed. Ricky is one of the best running backs in the league still, I say keep him on the field.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

But the main reason Ronnie doesn't get swarmed on that isn't because of Ricky alone

it’s because of the speed that Ricky gets the ball at. Cribbs is faster, so he may actually be more effective, since he’s more dangerous once he turns the corner. I agree that Ricky is great at running that, and I don’t want to take him off it, but to have ANOTHER option and ANOTHER weapon to use in the Wildcat? I’ll take that all day.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since Cobbs is out for the season...

imagine if Williams takes Cobbs spot and Cribbs comes in motion ala Ricky. I think it’d be pretty sick to give us three verifiable threats in the Wildcat formation.

by Cokes_03 on Oct 16, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now if you want to say put Cribbs as the QB

in the Wildcat while Ronnie rests, then I won’t argue that sentiment. Ricky is not the triggerman.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wouldn't be bad either.

What about what we did last year with the 3 backs in the backfield and the Triple Option type look? Or putting Ricky in motion, Ronnie keeps it and reverses to Cribbs instead of Cobbs? Possibilities are endless lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha yeah,

I’m definitely for more WC options. If we take Cribbs, I don’t want to convert him to a WR though. I’d rather he remain a kick returner and be a part time WC triggerman/reverse option. Hester’s return numbers took a dramatic dip once the WR conversion began. I think constantly practicing routes changes how a receiver reacts on the field.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that why Ginn sucks it up as a returner?

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by SunDolphin on Oct 15, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I think it is,

but Krush brought up a good point that maybe Ginn just doesn’t want to be a Kick Returner anymore. It could be a combination of both, Ginn might prefer WR because he’s on the field more.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

that would be awesome....

I think Dan Henning would have some fun with Cribbs being a dolphin….

by scbrandon on Oct 15, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more possibilities the more headaches for defensive coordinators.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

There was CB named Miller released by the Raiders a few days ago...

maybe we should look into him cause he’s pretty good a ST.

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by Kdog92 on Oct 15, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Intriguing as it sounds...

I’m pretty sure they’re looking for nothing less than a 2nd or 3rd rounder. No way Parcells gives that up for him.

by luvs2drnk on Oct 15, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes please

Cribbs is one of the best return men in the game, and he’s got the ability to be a pretty good receiver. So he’s not the possession guy we all want, speed kills and we would have 2 blazers if we had JC. I’d be willing to give up as high as a third, possible a 2nd, since we have 2 of them. I don’t think people understand what a dynamic kick returner/punt returner would do for this team. Imagine giving our AWESOME run game great field position each time. Imagine putting 7 points on the board without the offense having to see the field. Hasn’t happened in Miami in a looong time, and it would add immensely to our team.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Look at Devry in Chi-town. He's been converted from returner to first rate reciever in minimal time.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Not really,

they were trying to convert him all of last year and he was terrible.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

takes a little while

he’s NEVER played WR, not even in high school, he was a tailback and a DB I believe

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough,

but if he was a DB he should already have known what the routes were and also how to catch.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol @ him not being a very good DB either

Sounds like Hester. How fast is Cribbs?

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cribbs is more of a "make you miss guy"

Basically take Bess and Ginn together and you have Cribbs on returns

by kazam92 on Oct 15, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

sounds good to me

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah he's scary

and again he ran a wildcat in Cleveland taking the snap. We could put his skills to better use

by kazam92 on Oct 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol I thought we were talking about Hester?

Cribbs can fly. One of the fastest guys in the league

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by Little Nicky 21 on Oct 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

great sign him

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

We were talking about Hester,

I just thought it was funny that he was a bad DB too :P

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

in other trade news,

My Jaguars may be interested in Brady Quinn

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 15, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

there was a flag

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I know

Ginn isn’t the best returner in the world and cribbs is an upgrade but he’s in my top 10 in the NFL nonetheless.

by kazam92 on Oct 15, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

but that flag didn’t help him take it to the house. The hold was nowhere near him… that’s why it was a hold!

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

In really funny News:

“JP Losman, who was a first round pick of the Buffalo Bills, and spent five years there essentially doing nothing, Seeing Losman go out in his UFL debut and throw for two TD’s and 226 yards, while going 21 for 31 was a very nice thing to witness.” – UFL News.

by Krush on Oct 15, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not like the UFL is competitive. Former Hacks decide to play together is nothing special.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does that make Cameron Wake a former former hack?

:D

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake played CFL dumb-dumb.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

ohhh UFL lol

I forgot about that garbage. When will upstart leagues realize that they need more than 4-8 teams in order to be successful? I understand that there isn’t going to be nearly the level of talent at first, but you aren’t going to get die hard fans in a 4 team league. It’s just stupid.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at Womens Football. They have 5 different leagues with 40 teams each

Constantly shifting back and forth. There’s a sign of overkill.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

womans football? were?

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow,

the first women’s football league to actually spend some real money on advertisement would make a killing. That is the one women’s professional sport that I would watch… can you imagine watching women tackling each other all over the field???

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, its more like women with 5% completion ratings and dikes crushing the small girls.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao sounds good

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What part of that do you like, sam?

The girls sucking or the girls who have the biggest dicks killing the small ones?

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by TheTealDeal on Oct 15, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol seriously

rec’d

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but you have to be successful

before you can afford more than 4-8 teams. It’s a tough situation. Let’s just watch the NFL.

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by SunDolphin on Oct 15, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's true.

Those leagues pop up because of investors and I’m sure many of the smaller investors are doing it because they want a part of a professional team in their own city. Of course there is a high risk aspect to their investment due to all of the previous leagues that have failed, but if you think about the cost of owning a UFL team vs. the going price of an NFL team, the payout should the league succeed would be ridiculous.

Anyway, I think the investors get impatient and want the league to start too soon rather than continue to sell and market/hype their idea for a few more years in order to build a solid foundation for the league which includes enough teams (12) to make getting to the playoffs meaningful and enough regular season games (also 12 IMO) to really get the fans hooked for the following year. Then those teams need to remain in the spotlight during the first off season through continued trash talking of other teams (to build rivalries) and charity work to build the public image. Easy peezy. Who wants to invest in my league?

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

3rd rd pick

Worth it.

Do it.

Field position.

Has been involved with the Browns Wildcat.

I like dreads.

Third Round pick = Patrick Turner last year….nuff said.

We have an extra 7th….throw that in too if they want it.

Not a bad WR to add to the mix neither.

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by Rzayo24 on Oct 15, 2009 4:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I read all the comments and no one changed my mind but you, Rzayo!

I’d say nothing higher than a 3, or a 4 and a 7. I think if Ginn is given the reps he can become a good returner. Another thing I’m a little worried about, what if our blockers on special teams just aren’t that good? Would suck if Cribbs came over just to fail because no one is blocking well for him. I admit I know nothing about our, or any other team’s, special teams. I do like that he could be another reciever in the mix, but could he be a potential number one?

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by SunDolphin on Oct 15, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...

not a #1…I’m a believer in collecting good players when a value is there. Takingg advantage of a team wanting to give something good up for a cheaper price.

I think a Cribbs on your team is worth more than a 3rd rd pick. I think our blocking IS that bad..but this isnt a right now thing..this is a Cribbs returning behind future Phins teams as well…and i think next season between the offseason and draft we will concentrate on special teams talent.

we got that 7th because we couldnt find 1 dude we wanted in last yrs 7th….its meaningless truthfully….its a special teams shot in the dark pick….well why not use that shot in the dark for a proven pro bowl special teams guy?

I think his WR talent would be just another additon of a good WR…I can picture a Ginn….Cribbs….DBess…..Hartline…and #1 go to guy as a WR corps i could go to the Super Bowl with.

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by Rzayo24 on Oct 15, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

bowe can be that number 1 guy...so could of kenny britt

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by finsxfactor on Oct 15, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem that might make it not happen...

If he wants big money….Parcells and co. will wait and get a Cribbs generic version cheaper.

Hey….Ginn Jr. is generic Cribbs lol.

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by Rzayo24 on Oct 15, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

as you are getting older you are getting demensiated

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by finsxfactor on Oct 15, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we had Chris Williams we wouldn't be having ST problems....lol jk

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by Kdog92 on Oct 15, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I didnt read all the comments.. but I say if its more then a 3rd round pick I say forget it and suck it up and use whatever you have to to get

An elite receiver instead and put Ginn back there returning kicks. That way if you get a fast elite receiver and use Ginn mostly for returns from time to time you could put ginn in as a wr as well and have 2 guys as a deap threat at times. I would rather spend a 2nd and 4th or 5th on someone like Boldin or someone like him and use Ginn as our returner. He can light it up as a returner at times.

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by MainePhinFan on Oct 15, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Would you trade a 4th rnd pick for....

Cribbs or T. Owens?

I hear Owens could be had for a 4th lol……..

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by Fr8Train on Oct 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

id rather cribbs

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But lets face it, they'll want more than that for him.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea, it could be an interesting deal

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

thigpen and a late pick for cribbs?

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

no...don't get rid of Thigpen...

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by Kdog92 on Oct 15, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would not trade a sack of rocks for TO.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't take him for free.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

well...

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No wells, NEVER. TO WILL NEVER BE ON MY TEAM IF I HAVE ANY SAY.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can not agree enough.

HE IS A TOTAL CANCER!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Parcells is chemo.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It did not keep his fellow players from hating him in Dallas.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

The real drama started after Parcells left.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to clarify,

I don’t want him haha

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats not totally true. I live in DFW. And its all they talked about when he was here. There was drama from the start.

It did get worse as time went on but he always behaves a bit in his first year.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha that's cool,

I’m just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I don’t think TO would be keen on those after practice meetings that Henne holds with his WRs and as soon as he started skipping those it would jeopardize Henne’s leadership with the team.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then he starts getting others to take his side and some take

Hennes side and thats when you know the cancer has spread. Then you have to preform an operation and cut the tumor. In the Cowboys case he was faily well behaved for a season so they gave him a longer deal with a fat bonus. Then a year later they realized that he was a giant cancer and cut him taking a giant hit to the cap.

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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cribbs can be the ultimate Wildcat weapon.

I heard he played QB in college? So we know he can throw…somewhat.

I was listening to around the league..and it looks like the Browns aren’t willing to give him up.

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by Kdog92 on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

If we have any hope of beating the Saints...

we’ll need good field position…and Cribbs is the man to get the yardage…

SO I SAY WE GO AFTER HIM!!!!

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by Kdog92 on Oct 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

y roth?

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some peeps be hatin on Roth. And I don't know why.

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me neither.

He needs to get his shit together and get on the field. He’s solid, though nothing special, or so it appears when he plays.

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by SunDolphin on Oct 15, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

PFT

Said something bout GInn might go to the Browns for Cribbs. Any truth?

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by Neo on Oct 15, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I would take Ginn over Cribbs, so I think that's a bad, bad trade

Cribbs would be a killer addition to the wildcat, but I’d hate to part with Ginn so soon after watching him haul in that bomb from CH7 the other night. I understand his trade value would be much higher after a game like that, but still. It’s too soon.

And since the Juts parted with a third and fifth round pick for Edwards, I would offer a 4th and 7th for Cribbs. Absolutely not a third round pick though.

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by kmb8488 on Oct 15, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

God I hope they don't do that trade.

I predict 6-8 more big TDs for Ginn this season now that he has a cannon under center… if he goes to The Browns, his career is done.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree, ginn is finaly showing promise

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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i saw that

and i hope not

Ginn is a better overall player than Cribbs….bad trade

by Matty I on Oct 15, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously bad trade.

Even if you don’t think Ginn is a great receiver, you have to accept the fact that his speed forces defenses to play back a bit. It’s bad enough that they don’t let our red zone target take the field at least once, but to trade away our only deep threat as well… that would be insane.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that. The deep play potential between Henne and Ginn could really help out our running game out of standard formation

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by kmb8488 on Oct 15, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The 2010 draft is where we'll cement our roster

So unless we are getting a great player at a killer value, I am not very willing to part with higher round picks.

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by kmb8488 on Oct 15, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Looks like KC

is asking about him too driving up his price… 5th as high as I go

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by Blaze453 on Oct 15, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe

KC wants him to replace Bowe, after they trade him to the ’Phins?!?!?!

by tdecker on Oct 15, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats what dreams are made of

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by Neo on Oct 15, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've Listened to Mandich Online Today

and he says the deal for Cribbs could go down relatively quickly. What an opportunity this would be for Miami, although the Dolphins need a polished wideout rather than a kick returner, but Cribbs may do well in the Wildcat. The Fins are playing good football, but ultimately GO BRONCOS!!!

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by the Bradfather on Oct 15, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

As for a wideout...

Though I’d love to go out and get someone for Henne, I am going to continue to hope that Patrick Turner becomes a go-to/red zone threat guy. Our offense has enough speed (Ginn), as well a few receivers with good hands (Camarillo; Bess), so I’d like to see Turner get into a game and have a chance to succeed before I decide to get all bat shit crazy over trading for a wide receiver.

Keep this in mind: Just about every Trifecta draft pick that has been initially met with doubt has turned out to be a screaming success. Right now, some people are unsure of Pat White and Turner, but I think they will end up being great players for us.

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by kmb8488 on Oct 15, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Plus, I hope Turner pans out so we can focus money and draft picks on solidifying our linebacking corps

I’d also like to pick up a nose tackle!

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by kmb8488 on Oct 15, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

The FO cut the 3rd NT for a reason,

Paul Soliai is a beast in waiting. They’ll probably continue to pick up a NT as a late round pick/UDFA for the next year or two, searching for a diamond in the rough, until Ferguson is finally done and their hand is forced to draft one a bit higher.

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by joel311 on Oct 15, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope Soliai turns out to be something special

Rolando McClain is #1 on my draft list right now, and I’d like to add a little more depth at DE, too (maybe George Selvie from USF — I am watching him play right now against Cincy and he looks strong!).

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by kmb8488 on Oct 15, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure...why not? but instead of trading a potentially high (2-3) for a guy like cribbs...lets turn it up a little more

and trade for bowe (great idea)…or…..here it comes….wait for it….wait for it….

trade a 1st for Kenny Britt!!!

or….

wait….

keep waiting….

just sign matt jones….he’s good.. Fast and has shown problems aside he can catch and make plays

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by finsxfactor on Oct 15, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

NFL:

Josh Cribbs, the Browns’ Pro Bowl return man, has drawn significant interest from other teams, including the Dolphins, Colts, Chiefs, Raiders, Jaguars and 49ers, according to a league source.

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by Kdog92 on Oct 15, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

If we are trading for anyone it should be for Brian Leonard

-He’s a tough runner
- He has speed
- He has great vision and knows how to get that extra yardage (via hurdle, dive, or extension)
- He can play multiple roles – fullback, half-back,
- he has very solid hands and can be a weapon in the passing game
- Fantastic blocker

and it’ll only take a 6th ot 7th to get him!

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by finsxfactor on Oct 15, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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by finsxfactor on Oct 15, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never even heard of him...

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by Kdog92 on Oct 15, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say a 4th and a player would be realistic

Maybe a 3rd without a player…I think if this would happen we’d want to dump one of our receivers… They don’t even like activating more than 4 on game day. So I think that receiver would probably be Camarillo since I highly doubt they’d trade the rookies. Bess is younger and more upside and Ginn is our deep threat. Plus Hartline looks like a developing Camarillo so I’m not sure how much longer we’ll keep BOTH on the roster, even though I love Camarillo

by Ham420 on Oct 15, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

On NFL.com

La Canfora reported that he would be surprised if a deal was made. He says he’s someone the team plans to build around…so I think this would be great but who knows if its likely

by Ham420 on Oct 15, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

How about a 5th rounder and Pat White,

since he is the same type of player, Cribbs rushed for about 4000yds as a QB in college, he either set the record at the time or came close to it, he is in the top 4 rushing QBs in NCAA history.

by uncle finster on Oct 15, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd do it

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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that would be something I may be able to sink my teeth into..

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by MainePhinFan on Oct 15, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good idea!

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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like that...we have Thigpen who can run...

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by Kdog92 on Oct 16, 2009 5:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cribbs is a special teams ace

Everyone talks about his return game, which is excellent, but lets not forget the other side of the ball, he’s awesome on kick teams too. Living outside of Cleveland, I get stuck watching the Browns alot, Cribbs is a monster on special teams and he could contribute on offence both in the wildcat and in standard formations. He has good hands and the ability to make the first guy miss. I’m not saying send a number 1 or 2 pick for him, but if the price is right, I’d say pull the trigger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FinsFanDave on Oct 15, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Six, Seven and White?

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cribbs is not for sale.

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by Farorefox on Oct 16, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Fisnfins

When has Ginn ever been good at kick returns besides Ohio State? Did you watch him return any kicks his rookie year? I watched him make two long returns for TDs that were called back because of penalties. Miaimi is the worst return team in the NFL over the last 15 years. I am not big on Ginn really to begin with but if we get good blocking on the returns then I say Ginn is one ot the top 5 returners in the league if he were full time as a returner. I cant stand him because he always looks to go out of bounds and if he is going to get hit he will flop on the ground like a little girl first. I realize he is skinny and not built to last in this league so maybe he is just smart and trying to play more than one or two years. Why would we ever trade a draft pick for a return man when we have Ginn though? As long as we can get the ball at the 20 I am happy and we already traded a pick away for Thigpen so no way we trade another one of a guy who only returns the football. Cam Cameron is gone and Parcell’s is not stupid enough to make a trade for a return man unless it were the last pick in round 7 tjat we traded/

by Brickstone on Oct 17, 2009 3:17 AM EDT reply actions  

PR/KR

Hell, we used the ninth pick of the ‘07 draft for a useless kick returner, why dont we offer a third round pick for a REAL one. I say we target Cribbs. It seems, unfortunately, that he’s an oddball that actually LIKES playing in Cleveland…a possible drawback because of mental deficiency?? I dunno……..

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by PhearThePhinzz on Oct 17, 2009 6:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Mangini has kiboshed that talk. No trade

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Knowshon Moreno is actually the illegitimate chocolate son of Dan Marino. Its true!!! I have pictures!!!

by Farorefox on Oct 17, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep!

"I hope you know a lot more than you believe in"-Gram Parsons

by texascowpunk on Oct 17, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

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