Ted Ginn...
by DRoyce on Oct 14, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
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I never see anyone give a legit explanation on why ted ginn is not a good NFL player. Thank you Teddy for making that catch on Monday night, it was a huge play and im glad that you were able to perform. Going into the Monday night game i expected absolutely NOTHING from ted ginn, that way, when he actually does something it is simply an added bonus to my dolphins perception. Here is why Ted Ginn is not a reliable NFL player: He catches the ball with his chest every single time the ball is coming his way. This is what some would call "what not to do." Ted Ginn never claimed to be a posession Wide Reciever but either way in some instances any WR in the NFL has to use his hands to make a grab. How many of you thought he was going to catch the ball on Monday? Henne literally had to drop it right into the area between his arms and chest and the ball still fluttered around in that area before he crossed the goal line. The surprising thing to me is that people don't actually notice this / try to fix it. His athletic career is completely based on his speed and football pedigree. He needs to learn how to catch the ball with his hands. How often do you see Randy Moss, Fitz, Boldin, Johnson or Marshall catch the ball with their chest when they could have caught the ball with their hands? Never? Maybe Ted Ginn has the speed and the dedication to being a good Wideout but i think its time for him to re-think his strategy, catch the ball with your hands not your chest.
Am I the only one that notices this? Also, let me put it out there Ronnie Brown is a top 3 NFL Runningback if not top 2.
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I like Ted Ginn and I like him even more after Monday night.
He was crucial in our win vs the Jets last year to win the AFC East.
Don't question my fandominium.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 14, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game (i live in NY)
the point of my post wasn’t to say he is terrible it was to say that he needs to use his hands and not his chest to catch the ball
by DRoyce on Oct 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your correct. You CAN NOT make the difficult catch if you cant catch with your hands
away from your body. It just is what it is.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 14, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't arguing with your post
I’m just saying I like what we are getting out of him, that’s all.
Don't question my fandominium.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Oct 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And lets face it
Randy Mos makes some spectacular catches, although his problem is speed and evasion. Yards after carry are dismal.
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by Farorefox on Oct 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Camarillo caught with his ass...
Did you write a letter then?
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by AussieKen on Oct 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Crikey! Me' Arm!!!
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by Farorefox on Oct 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we all know what happened
to steve irwin. Mate.
by DRoyce on Oct 14, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Outback every night, uhh no…………I don’t think you want to know what I do eat everynight, but anyway. ;)
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by AussieKen on Oct 14, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont reacall seeing an Outback there when I was in Melborne but theres just
about everything else.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 14, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmm outback
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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outback=Overated
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
very, but im hungry
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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Its ok for what it is.
I worked disaster relief for about 2 years. When I was in Key West for about 6 months my boss would take us there like 3 or 4 times a week. We never really complained because he was paying but it got old all the same.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially in a town with a ton of much better places to eat!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea, that sux
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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey it was free!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesnt suck
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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here it comes
We have seen this every year the yay or nay of Teddy Ginn. I will have to agree a little with you point before I argue it. Ginn does not have the hands that other WR is the league or on the Dolphins have. After watching him through the years Ginn drops the ball more times then fans would like him too, but its not because he is a chest catcher, he drops them trying to catch with his hands as well.
As a WR, you ultimately try to catch the ball with your hands, however you catch it which ever way you can. So on MNF the ball was put in his bread basket, he catches it on the chest, instead of stretching his hands and slowing down and catching with his hands. If a ball is too high WR try one hand, if its low and there is a defender all over you you catch aginst your stomach.
Bottom line is Ginnd does drop balls.
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by k2oconnor on Oct 14, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now the argument
Ted Ginn is not bad WR or not a productive WR because he catches the ball with his chest, it is for other reasons. Now I am not saying Ginn stinks and is not good, I am saying he has not had the support around him to help him be a consistent productive WR.
Lets start off with his Pros: Speed (helps him in and out of breaks, and to get down field) Acceletation, Vision. Cons: Hands, height (no fault to his athletic ability, genetics) experience. What he has improved on: His route running.
Now Steve Smith, Torry Holt to name a few are Ginns size, but they have been super productive b/c of their hands, speed, quickness and route running. For a player like Ginn he lacks superior quickness to be open underneath, so he depends on his speed to get open .
Ginn also has never had a QB to throw him the ball deep or the arm strength to hit him on out routes. He also has been the only WR to demand extra attention from the defense, with out another gamer on the other side, teams get slide coverage to Ginn.
With all that said Ginn can be a good WR, I think with Henne in he gets close to 800 yds with 5 rec TD this season. The Fins won’t pass to much as we have seen with R&R running the ball, but that sets up deep plays to Ginn on PA.
Is he the complete WR that Andre Johnson and Fitz and Boldin and Marshall are NO, but he has the ability to be good especially if a QB like Henne is throwing the ball to him, and if the Fins ever get another play maker on the other side to demand coverage. But by no means is he not productive cause he catches with his chest
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by k2oconnor on Oct 14, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
saaaaaamor
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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
y
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its good for the Man who can't cook, or just a quick bite when you're out.
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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somehow this post jumped down to here. Why, I don't know.
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by Farorefox on Oct 15, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i meant samory
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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know thats why I threw the y up there for you!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn Should Take Over For Cobbs
With the unfortunate news that Cobbs will be out for the season, the Dolphins should let Teddy return kicks on a regular basis. If they do, I bet he’ll take at least one and maybe two back for TD’s over the rest of the season.
by Jeff I on Oct 14, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont care how he cathes the ball.
Hands, chest, ass, feet, I dont care just catch the damn ball.
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by EverybodyLovesDolphins on Oct 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he actually secured the td catch well
however that first down he picked up where he was running laterally across the field is another story. He stopped the ball, and bobbled the hell out of it. If Revis had gotten there half a second earlier, he drops it no question. He did the same thing though, he let the ball go all in the way into his chest before really securing it. good points, tired subject.
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by MrMedic on Oct 14, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i have certainly not been the biggest supporter of ginn
but he made the catch. true, he still has some work to do, but when the ball was in the air, i was sure he would drop it. thanks ted, good job, keep it up.
by TheCableguy on Oct 14, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
avoids contact, dorps a lot of passes, no confidence
if he can fix these, he can be great
and maybe put some meat on those bones, too
by finzrule on Oct 14, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes to all of the above!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 14, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie catches the ball with his chest,
why do you praise him and bash Ginn in the same post? :)
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by joel311 on Oct 14, 2009 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was one pass where he turned to look at the defender and it hit him in the chest.
Yes that was a mistake by Brown but he rarely makes a mistake like that so thats why he gets a pass. Also his primary duties are not to catch the ball. Thats all we ask Ginn to do. Thats it! One thing!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 14, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And regardless, Ronnie is a Running Back, a contributor, and can still reel in the catch better than Ginn
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by Farorefox on Oct 14, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He catches more than he drops.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 14, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
Ronnie Brown gets paid to run the ball and make the occasional catch out of the backfield whereas Ted Ginn is paid to catch the ball. Honestly, im not so sure that Ronnie Brown doesn’t have better hands than Ginn, he had 1 bad drop and thats the onyl time I have ever seen him drop anything. I think that Brown may become more involved in the passing game actually but in the flats. I think Williams is better suited for the screen pass for some reason.
by DRoyce on Oct 15, 2009 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right! The pass Brown dropped was because he turned his head to see where the defender
was. Its a mistake that he would admit and knowing Ronnie and the type of professional he is he wont make it again.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they dont pay ronnie to ctch
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by samdaman on Oct 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they do but not primaily. Thats ALL we pay Ginn to do!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 15, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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