It seems like when teams get owned by the wiildcat its like a slap in the face and they get all defensive. If I remember correctly they tried to run it to. Channing just happened to blow it up. Yes it is unconventional but its not a gimmick. They only time I think it can be called a gimmick is when Ronnie throws it but that’s just to keep them honest. The league needs to accept that the WC is staying in Miami for as long as it works. If they don’t like it then they need to shut their mouths and stop it. Go phins!

Oh, enough with the “Wildcat is a gimmick” talk! Besides, why would the Jets try to run a gimmick on us anyway? Giving it another name or being ran over by Crowder doesn’t make it any less of a Wildcat!

Wildcat works. Period. And Ronnie is God.

And don’t get me started on those ridiculous fake punts! That was pure Rex Ryan – trying to be funny and all. THAT is pathetic.

THE JETS RAN THE WILDCAT TOO!!!! How is it gimmicky and nonsensical if your own team tried to do it and got blown up?!? Your own coaches chose to ran the same play that you all criticize. Does that make any sense?

They are just upset that we ran it down their throats, and when they tried, Crowder nailed them for a loss.

Quick question: If the RB or whoever takes the snap directly, and is tackled for a loss, is that a sack?

The punter got a bad hand on the ball and (I think) the wrong side of the laces.

Let teams not respect it. Then they won’t pay as much attention to defending at practice. I say we (coaches of course) just smile & nod when asked about those gimmick plays.

and a great way to kick off the day. :o) Thanks!

So when you move on to the NFL from college, is there a Man Law saying you are not allowed to attempt plays that worked in College? People have tried the option (including the Jets w/ Brad Smith) and that gets shut down cause people in the NFL are just faster.

The wild cat is the offense putting more blockers in tight then defenses are willing to put linemen and the favor goes to the offense. It works with the Fins because Ronnie and Pat White can throw the ball…

I just hope the Phins just post all this shit from Pace, Ryan et al and give their answer in 3 weeks in NJ when we meet the NJ Jests again! This time I hope it is a blow-out like the Bills game was!

you cheated,I had something in my eye.They have drank Ryans kool-aid and are brainwashed to the point that getting a beat down isnt logically possible even though it just happened.

And it shows by how mouthy and undisciplined they are.

cant wait til henne responds with a 500 yard game in ny

That code is all about Man on Man match-ups. “If I beat you, I win. If you beat me, you win.” That is what coaches stress because for the most part all teams run the same offenses and defenses. They all run the same plays, blocking schemes, blitz packages, coverages, etc. So essentially, the team that wins the majority of the individual match-ups wins the game.

The Wildcat changes that mind set. It is a scheme that opposing players (and coaches) are not familiar with. Defenses don’t know where the blocking is coming from, the angles are different. They don’t even how to line up against it (NE last year). As Matty says, there is an option element to it, and when is the last time that an NFL defense had to prepare for an option. There is deception associated with the formation because of the misdirections, reverses, motions, and end arounds. These deceptions cause defenses to play on their heals and not attack.

It is a mind set thing with players (and coaches). It is one thing to get physically beat. It is another thing to get deceived and outsmarted. That is why defensive players call it a “gimmick”. They are not used to getting beat that way.

HA! Calvin Pace experienced the Wildcat on his back as he was the victim of numerous Pancakes by Jake Long. He’s overrated.

The Wildcat is a state of mind. It says to the defenses: “we are going to run the ball up the middle and kick your butt while we are doing it. You know it’s coming and let’s see if you have the testicular fortitude to stop us.” It gives no quarter and takes no quarter. Mano a Mano baby!! Some in the league and media are having a problem with it.

Play action is a gimmick.

Now that’s the real gimmick. At least with the wildcat, you know we are trying to gain yards. With fake punts, you’re literally sayng one thing and doing another. They gained 10 points off the drives when they did those.

We won the game and I’m man enough to not need their acknowlegment to that fact. This is all like beating your little brother at a game of pig and bugging him all morning to admit he lost.

The bigger deal in all of this is that we now know where the culture of the Jets really lies…hehe. Their culture is one of buying into the hype, the media’s and their own, and making excuses when they lose.

Just like I said about Channing Crowder: the more you run your mouth, the less you run film or your legs in practice. Well, Buffalo, I pray to God, wins next Sunday because while the Jets are running their mouths they’re unfocused on another NFL team, the one they have to play next.

The Jets don’t have a winning culture, it’s obvious. Braylon Edwards fits right in on this team. Couldn’t have found himself a better home for all of his baggage.

Right now, i so want us to win in NY, would love to see what excuses will be said then.

Btw, if in some way they manage to lose to the Bills (highly unlikely) or the Raiders (who i believe will go 1-15), then be sure the reason would be that they would be distracted thinking about our rematch.

Who outside of me thinks the Dolphins coaches, specifically offensive coordinator Dan Henning, used the Wildcat on that last play, Ronnie Brown’s 2-yard touchdown run, to nut punch Ryan and their hated AFC East rivals

LOLOLOL, I love it.

Ryan is over there not calling TOs because he knows we’re “not gonna score”.

Meanwhile, Tony is over on the other sideline shooting him the bird while Ronnie is scoring the f*ck you TD at the end of the game.

Good, great, terrific stuff.

as a gimmick is something new. The Wildcat is not new. We have been running it for a year now. You have all tapes of all the plays. When we line up in the Wildcat and you see Ronnie back there you know 9 times out of 10 hes going to run it. They are basically crying foul only because they had no idea how to stop it. What a bunch of cowardly losers.

The pass is a gimmick. People don’t know their NFL history, that before the pass was really a staple in football, there was the single wing, which is what the Wild Cat really is when it gets right down to it. The single wing was used extensively before world war 2, but lost its popularity for whatever reason (I read something about a T formation).

So when these pinheads see something no one in the NFL has seen in 60 years, and few see in college and high school but usually only by lesser teams, yeah I see where they think it’s a gimmick, but dont’ forget that it used to be popular and it used to work. And don’t forget that the forward pass, too, was a gimmick once.

Bottom line, for me, a gimmick is a single play. It’s a fake punt, or an end around, or a flee flicker. Calling a formation a gimmick is ignorant, and when it’s a formation that has such a history in the game, the comment becomes downright stupid.

PS – Bartina Scott is a total nancy and everyone knows it. If Rex had his pick of LBs to transfer over from the Ravens in the offseason, you KNOW it wouldn’t have been Bart Scott. Hell, he probably would’ve rather taken Ed Reed over Bart Scott if he had the opportunity.

How can you keep your timeouts in your pocket at the end of the game like that? Even if the Phins don’t score a TD at the end of the game and kick a FG, the game is still tied. Wouldn’t you as a head coach want time left on the clock in regulation to drive the ball down the field for a chance at a game winning FG? What head coach wants to take a chance on going to over time and losing a game when you are not guaranteed to even touch the ball offensively (ask the Patriots about that against Denver)?

The most important function as a head coach in the NFL on game day is clock management. Failing to effectively manage the clock at the end of the half or at the end of the game (Phins – Colts game this year) can cause your team to lose a game. Rex Ryan, by not using his time outs, did not put his team in the best position to win on Monday Night. And that is his fault.

It’s just a college type option, only with better players.

rofl.

What does that even mean? Besides, Pace is right. The Arkansas Razorbacks dropped similar high totals of points on strong defenses using this ‘gimmick’.

I cant hear you when you’re stuck to the bottom of Jake’s cleats.

gim⋅mick  /ˈgɪmɪk/ Spelled Pronunciation [gim-ik] –noun 1. an ingenious or novel device, scheme, or stratagem, esp. one designed to attract attention or increase appeal.
2. a concealed, usually devious aspect or feature of something, as a plan or deal: An offer that good must have a gimmick in it somewhere.

Unless there is a unique definition of ‘gimmick’ related only to football, why is the ‘wildcat’ more a gimmick than a play-action pass? Why does a QB look off defenders before passing? Why does a running back juke one way and run another?

The idea in football is to advance the ball and score. There are no rules against subterfuge, misdirection and the like. I’m sayin’ there are NO gimmick plays. Any play that does not violate the rules is allowed. Can’t everyone see that deception and confusion are intrgral to the game?

Apparently not.

too cry about shit.

Rex Ryan not only brought his “genius” defensive mind their….he brought the “little fat boy got grounded from eating ice cream this week” whiney bitchy attitude.

So lets review….the Jets have a winning record…barely….but they keep telling us they have a real “special” team….they just came in here and got beat…..and they have the attitudes of the peewee football players bitches to their parents and crying about the game today.

keep talking….its worth ZERO wins….

the Jets have the most un-classy team out there. They are babies and so is their coach. We outplayed and embarrassed what a lot of people were saying was an “elite defense”. The refs even blew a few calls, including the pass interference call in the last 5 minutes that could of very well lost the game for the Dolphins. They got run over and they are sore losers.

 hold on a second skippy

just to be clear, your team DOES run a version of the WC, and I believe it is called "Seminole". The ran it last night and got stuffed.

Secondly, "trick plays", as you describe them, work because they fool the other team… they surprise the other team… a la "fake". The Jets caught the Fins on two "trick plays" last night… fake punts. They worked because you rarely see it, and it caught the STs punt return team off guard.

However, the WC is a formation. You can call it a gimmick, trick, whatever, but an opposing Defense knows EXACTLY what is being run, by the formation, BEFORE the snap. No "fakes, no "surprises", just power football. It isn’t even as "tricky" as when the QB is still in the backfield and the snap is direct to the RB.

There is, flat out, NO EXCUSE for not being able to defend the WC formation, other than you are just getting beat at the LoS.

As is the rule… as has ALWAYS been the rule in the NFL… if you don’t like it, stop it.

Calling it a "gimmick" or a "trick" is the result of a poor understanding of the fundamentals of American Football.
IMO

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 13, 2009 11:29 PM PDT

And talking shit about our QB after he just went all Master Blaster on their ass is really perfect. I figured the Jets would begrudgingly give credit to Henne (especially when all they talked about what we couldn’t throw the ball on them. Oops) but this is ridiculous. “Henne’s a clown. The wildcat is a fluke. Vernon Gholston is good. Blah, blah blah.”

I’ve always thought the best Meadowlands end zone celebration would be to pretend like you’re digging up Jimmy Hoffa.

this is such nonsense, typical thing you would hear from a Jest fan, but its coming from a player, a bad player, on a horribly over rated team. Mark Sanchez is decent but not great, he does NOT have the arm that Chad Henne does, but still we play from under the table. All good though, we will continue to suprise these people until we finally get the respect we all know we already deserve, and once we get the respect, we really start to pound away……………….RONNIE BROWN FOR MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rex Ryan has repeatedly called The Wildcat “smart” and “good football”, so Calvin’s sentiments don’t necessarily reflect those of the entire Jets defense. Honestly, I think Rex putting the blame on his shoulders is just his style—he takes the heat for his players. Calvin Pace on the other hand is just an idiot. Also, I still loathe Rex Ryan and think he’s a tool, but he has said before that he respects the wildcat… now he better start respecting Henne of Penne or else the sky will continue to fall into Ted Ginn’s arms for TDs.

Are the Jets giving us bulletin board material to beat their asses again? Or is this going to work them up enough to step up?

Any team these guys are calling it that, its out of frustration. Its because they are angry at them selves. Its because they are freakin humiliated! I hope that every post game press conference this season involves some defender whining about how they were beat by the gimmick WC. and i hope…I HOPE they continue to not respect it as a formation. Its obvious that the phins have perfected it and its not going anywhere. And if your really an Asshole like rex ryan, we’ll just run it down your throat all night.!!!

1 – RunRonnieRun.
2 – RunRonnieRun
3 – RunRickyRun
4 – RunRickyRun
5 – RunRonnieRun
6 – A very expensive (and damn well worth it!) effective AWESOME incredible Offensive Line!

… to Mr Pace…

A little hard to stop Mr. Pace when you picked up and deposited 5yds down the field…. Damn gimicks!!!

… take your SLAP like a man Calvin…

This article was perfect. Well done.

Agree with you dolphin23. Results and the final score are what counts. The Miami coaching staff came up with a plan and the dolphin players executed with confidence and teamwork and beat down the Jet’s so called vaunted defense.

so mr.pace can suck my dick

Omar Kellys comment is CLASSSSSSSIC…

I was in the 5th row and seeing the look on those obnoxious jets fan’s faces was beyond PRICELESS