Ginn Critics
by Jeff I on Oct 12, 2009 11:50 PM EDT
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Hope you rethink some of the criticism. Ginn's 53-yard TD reception and his good return giving them decent field position prior to the final drive were both instrumental in the Dolphins win tonight. It was a great team effort ...... the running game was great, the OL beat the Jets at the line and Henne had an excellent game. All of this was very positive and ........ Ginn came through when they needed him as well. If the Dolphins are going to move forward ..... they do it as a team. Enough with the sniping.
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No,
The refs did.
Kidding. I do agree that we did almost beat ourselves on defense, but come the hell on: how do you call that last pass interference call that way?! That was playing the ball, no real contact, clean. But Henne developed his rhythm and confidence and came back EVERY drive anyway.
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by Dave.Phuller on Oct 13, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henne and the wildcats!
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Good one!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phantom Interference
Agree ….. the interference call was terrible.
by Jeff I on Oct 13, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Worst call I have seen in a long time and I have seen a lot of bad calls.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In my opinion it indeed was pass interference, he stopped looking at the ball, turned
his head around and kind of locked Edward’s arm. But whatever… we won
by MauMontaV5 on Oct 13, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn't have been pass interference even if he had been playing Edwards instead of the ball
That was an absolutely terrible call and it almost cost us the game. Allen’s right arm never fully tangles with Edwards’ arm and at no point inhibited him from making the catch. I listened to Sirius NFL Radio on the way home tonight and even the radio hosts thought it was an appalling call.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 13, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was a bad call,
but one you see called a lot, it was close to pass interference, what can you do, the refs don’t get to see it in slow motion from multiple angles.
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by uncle finster on Oct 13, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zacktly
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by uncle finster on Oct 13, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 plays does not a career make
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by Neo on Oct 13, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
helped us win he is a lagit miami dolphin, you need more, he's my hero!!!!
you sound like a disgruntled player, at some point in your life?
by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was happy with him tonight but you hero requirements are sorta low dont you think?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats all I'm saying
How quickly we forget the 2 passes against Indy. Henne placed that ball so perfect, if he didn’t catch it he deserved to be cut b4 he made it to the sidelines.
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by Neo on Oct 13, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 Clear Cut Drop Against Indy
I agree that one of the drops against Indy was inexcusable. The other …… lots of tangling up of arms on that one ….. not clear cut, in my opinion.
by Jeff I on Oct 13, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by uncle finster on Oct 13, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree Neo
Ginn made 2 catches, 1 clutch. If he is a real #1 or #2 WR, he would have to do more than that.
i am happy he made the TD catch, and it was beautiful, but it proves nothing. He needs to do that every game.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 13, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go back to watching dallas rerun's!!!!!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whats with all the hate beav?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i should be asking the same thing my buddy ginn
by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey I want him to be great too. tonight is definatly a good step and I was yelling his name
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i like to read your cool once again & always!!!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL thanks beav
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've temporarily suspended my Ginn criticism...
however, i hope this at least showed the trifecta that he should be returning kicks.
by afmo on Oct 13, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes mine is on a temporary hold until further notice.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
track star out run's the entire NY secondary, huge nipples!!!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
de did beat the bump this week
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No .... but
give credit where credit is due. Ginn is a 3rd year player. His critics (you, apparently, among them, Neo) seem to want to trash him at every turn. Tonight he made to plays that contributed in a big way to the team victory. If you relish in trashing him for other missed plays in prior games …… at least give him credit when he comes through. And, I might add, going up against Reavis is not easy. Reavis has shut down several great receivers thus far in his short career.
by Jeff I on Oct 13, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No sir
Not at every turn. (I’ve been too busy w/ Pennington) Just when a top 10 pick and suppose to be ur #1 WR diasppears for 4,5,6 games at a time, he deserves it. I was holding out hope for Ginn till about last week. He made a couple of good plays today, and I’ll give him props.
I just don’t wanna hear all this about Ginn has arrived and is all this and that. We went through this last year when he had that one big game (forget who it was against). Then we didn’t hear from him for the rest of the year.
As for the sniping. I believe everyone complains about our teams needs. So as though, I don’t understand while your singled me out, cause I’ve hardly attacked Ginn, I do have a right to the facts.
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by Neo on Oct 13, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
edwards made more big plays last night than ginn has all season. he STILL deserves any trashing he gets IMO.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Returning Kicks
afmo -- totally agree. His speed is his greatest asset and I don’t understand why they are not using him on returns on a regular basis.
by Jeff I on Oct 13, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah he had the only decent return tonight
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey jeff
werent you the one who just on the site yesterday telling us how we couldnt beat the jets???
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 13, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ill call em like i see em
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 13, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only problem is Ginn is tiny... He had to take em because Cobbs went down
If Ginn was our 2nd/3rd best wr then i say yes but he is our only legitimate speed threat so no… we can’t afford to get him injured
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 13, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"GINN IS TINY"
NY has a loss, were they had placed a W befor the year even started. what a shittly coach game by the fat son, of a fat coach from up north!
now we see that the rookie has a 2 game loseing streak can it go to 3 or more who know’s should it ?/
by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Cobbs is an awful returner,
I am always hoping he makes it to the 20, lol, true story, but he is just too slow and will never be a threat.
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by uncle finster on Oct 13, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to just give the returns back to Ginn untill we find someone else.
I am sure that at the very least that he will always get the ball back to the 20.
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Medic
No ….. that wasn’t me. Go back and cite the specific post. It wasn’t me.
by Jeff I on Oct 13, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasnt you
you were the one arguing for namath…almost as bad.
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BECAUSE HE CAN'T MAKE A SINGLE DEFENDER MISS!
HE COULDN’T JUKE A 90 YR OLD WOMAN IN A WALKER!
that’s why.
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by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 13, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell us how u really feel lefty
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 13, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it!
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me that teddy may not the best OSU player we have.
by esco6781 on Oct 13, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So many OSU and Mich players on the field last night!
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Big Ten represented. Wish we had a couple of players from the U out there, who knows. Maybe we can draft one. I wouldnt mind us getting Javarris James as Rickys replacement in the 3rd round if hes there.
by esco6781 on Oct 13, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hartline looked pretty good
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 13, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by uncle finster on Oct 13, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn will probably never be a legit #1
But he’s still useful. We should use him like the Texans use Jacoby Jones—mostly on returns with the occasionally deep ball thrown his way.
by Akilles13 on Oct 13, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Now we need to find our Andre Johnson
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he will just apear, in the third or forth round's. for us in next year's draft!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His name is Arrelious Benn
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 13, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who?
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats so special about Arrelious Benn ?
by esco6781 on Oct 13, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am thinking more along the lines of 2nd or 3rd.
by esco6781 on Oct 13, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ginn made a good catch
but henne made a better throw. ginn couldnt pull down the catch from pennington earlier this year because it wasnt right on the money. we all know the MO with ginn, here today gone tomorrow. lets wait until after the bye week and see how he does in the next game before we go and say that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 13, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He medic any news?
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no nothing yet
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 13, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like HERE TODAY GINN TOMORROW
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by DolphDallas on Oct 13, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
nice DD
2009 is a year of respect ladies and gentlemen. Lets get it.
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by MrMedic on Oct 13, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop!
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys ....
Nobody is saying he is Randy Moss. But, as Akilles13 notes, he has his strengths. The Dolphins can use him more effectively for the time being. If he eventually develops into a better receiver overall ….. great. If not, he still has potential to make game-changing plays. It shouldn’t be all-or-nothing with the guy. If you are more interested in the overall success of the team rather than relishing the trashing of an individual player …… fine. I just think there are more productive ways to approach this.
by Jeff I on Oct 13, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are his strengths? His speed and what else?
by esco6781 on Oct 13, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Esco
Watch the film ……. without his speed, that play doesn’t happen. He beat Revis by two steps and then was gone by the time Rhodes and Leonard tried to get Revis’s back. Also give great credit to the OL for giving Henne excellent protection and to Henne for a great pass. Team effort playing on the strengths of individuals (and collectively with the OL). What’s wrong with that or …… do you prefer to just trash Ginn?
by Jeff I on Oct 13, 2009 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all he is saying is that, yes Ginn has straight line speed.
if he can outrun a defender, great. I posted a fanpost about whether or not Henne would make Ginn better. The consensus is that, other than a 9 route, Ginn is not good at making cuts or beating a defender with his route running.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 13, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he can stretch the D,
and it is now a legit threat, and most teams don’t have a guy that can keep up with him, teams will have to respect that now, and thats really all you need from him, besides he’s not as bad as he is made out to be by some, he is 2nd on the team in rec.
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by uncle finster on Oct 13, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He certianly showed a flash last night.
I hope he can build on that!
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by texascowpunk on Oct 13, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he could be productive as a #4 receiver...out of a spread formation
Camarillo and Hartline on the edges, Bess and Ginn in the slots.
Have Ginn come in motion right and fake a wildcat handoff on every play
Chad Henne and Ronnie Brown in the gun
GOOD TIMES
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_ _ _ _TG- – - – - – →> _ _ _ _ _ _ _DB
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _CHRB
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by DolphDallas on Oct 13, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hay coach; you really like this wild cat sh!t i can see!
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by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ginn
Sorry,one catch doesn’t prove anything.I want consistency over the long haul.I really do hope he will be decent,just not ready to drink the kool aid yet….but I am getting thirsty.
by con10der on Oct 13, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will pour it for you.
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 7:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
con"der
if your defense get’s lit up like miami just did tonight, on nation wide tv. damn the rest of the year is not gonna be easy!
by wild zion beaver on Oct 13, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ginn is what he is. A very fast wr that can punish you if you forget about him. We need the Batman to his Robin
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 13, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, nice analogy
Ted Ginn Jr. really is the Robin of NFL wideouts: a dangerous sidekick (minus the embarrassing boy shorts and elf shoes).
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by kmb8488 on Oct 13, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love that!
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give credit where credit is due
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by Patssuck456 on Oct 13, 2009 2:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Mr.Ginn and Mr.Henne!....Thank you Wildcats!
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the Ginn hating
He’s a solid #2 and he absolutely burned Revis (arguably the league’s best corner) out of his shorts on that bomb from Henne. Ted’s never going to be a guy who makes tough catches over the middle or hauls in fade routes in the end zone. He’s a straight-up vertical threat with lethal speed. A lot of people thought that Ginn would be put to better use with Henne’s arm, which is exactly what happened on that long pass play.
Meanwhile, while we’re looking for a #1 wideout, Ginn might be our running game’s best friend.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 13, 2009 2:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
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by buckeyebill on Oct 13, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone swear the Revis is the ebst corner. maybe in the AFC east, but not in the NFL. He burnt him once, but what did he do against him the rest of the game. Ginn is good for speed and decoy. If he returns next year, he needs to put on at least 10-15 pounds of muscle and then he can be more like Steve Smith (either one)
by esco6781 on Oct 13, 2009 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think people are "ginn hating"
as much as correcting people that are trying to start up a ’60’s style love fest for the kid. I am glad he caught that pass, but he is a long way from proving that he can even be a reliable #2.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 13, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camarillo stepped up big as our possession guy tonight
a bunch of tough clutch catches.. Henne found his go to guy
I probably know Judo! How many of you can make the same boast?
by Souwantmyname on Oct 13, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Camarillo looked great tonight
Bess had some nice grabs, too. I like that Henne is spreading the ball around.
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by kmb8488 on Oct 13, 2009 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.....
He spreads the ball around because he knows he doesnt have a true #1. But it seems like this is a good thing, because defenses wont be able to zone in on one particular player. It makes them a bit more honest, and if they stack the box trying to stop R&R, then he will eat them up.
by esco6781 on Oct 13, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me Ginn has missed more “key” and “game breaking” catches than anyone else. he needs to put in over time with the QB and get more coaching. He is making big bucks and needs to perform like it. I never doubted him on the return game because it was his specialty in college. It would be nice he could return a PR/KR for a TD, but maybe I am asking too much. Teddy only got two receptions. To me he is becoming more of a Patrick Crayton type player. A speedster that runs down the field and will make a big play maybe once a game, if at all. I need to see more consistency from him. He disappears and reappears way too much, being invisible most of the time. Does he have potential? yeah, sure. But come one. If you are the number one receiver you need to act like it, perform like it and live like it.
by esco6781 on Oct 13, 2009 6:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
even if thats the case
we have 3 possesion type recievers in Bess, Camarillo and Hartline.
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by BSerious72 on Oct 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ginn
caught the ball with his chest and it almost popped out.. because he doesn’t use his hands to catch balls and normally uses his chest he ends up with a lot of dropped balls. Im glad he held onto that one last night and i like getting on his case because if he does absolutely nothing then you can say it was excpected but if he catches a bomb its just an added bonus.
by DRoyce on Oct 13, 2009 7:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
how come everyone was all over Henne
even though this was only his 2nd start. But Ginn finally has a good game after 3 years and all is forgiven? Sorry, I’m still a Ginn hater. And I’m happy that Henne may have shut up some of his critics.
by NC Mike on Oct 13, 2009 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i though this WAS his second start?
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Oct 13, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of guys who made short careers of running by people for big plays..
When their speed starts to go, they find themselves out of a job. Ginn is of this variety until he can consistantly do the things a true #1 or #2 receiver NEEDS to do.
He’s a great #3 at this point of his career and that’s ok, just don’t call him a #1 and he won’t be “unfairly” judged.
Show me: slow blocks, precise route running, separation withing 15 yards, ability to break away from a jam at the line, getting open no matter what…
and I’ll annoint Ginn a #1 or #2…. he’s still working hard and I credit him for that.
Let’s all wait until year’s end, because Henne is a different QB than CP10 and that may begin to play to his strength, and if it is ONLY the bomb, then so be it… bombs away!!!
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by NJDolphan68 on Oct 13, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough
Good post, NJDolphan68. I agree with all the points you make. I think the point I was making to initiate this thread is that Ginn has significant potential but already has the ability to make big plays ……. whether it is going deep, handling kick returns or possibly the occasional reverse or taking a pass in the flat and finding a hole to explode through.
by Jeff I on Oct 13, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll step right up as a very long time and adamant Ginn critic...
as in from the day we picked him, er, sorry, picked his family :-)
First off, good on’ya Ted Ginn, you made a sweet catch in the endzone on that bomb. Well done.
Now it would have been nice if you’d caught the one that hit you in the hands against Indy – we might have won that game but hey, this is progress right?
Braylon Edwards, who had a good game, is a #1 receiver (when he cares enough to try that is). Look at the routes he was open on, the size and speed he has. Ginn simply doesn’t have those dimensions.
Last night’s game was for me, indicative of the type of receiver Ted Ginn can be with a QB like Henne who has the tools to deliver the ball to any spot on the field.
Ginn is primarily a one-dimensional receiver. He is not a #1 receiver and it is questionable if he is really even a #2. He’s not a guy who is going to regularly make big catches over the middle in traffic to move the chains, nor does he have the ability to threaten to take it to the house on every catch the way Fitz or Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson do.
So yes Ginn is one dimensional, but he is a very important dimension for this team because when it comes to deep threats, Ginn is our dimension. All the other guys are overwhelmingly short to intermediate receivers.
Involving Ginn in the game plan with go routes, deep outs, and fly patterns, is critical. It pushes back those safeties and keeps the defense from stacking the line. Enter Ricky & Ronnie and you have the making of some big time running as a result.
If we can keep building this team to be a contender then Ginn could be, if he doesn’t disappear in games, play a role like Alvin Harper or John Taylor did for the cowboys and 49ers.
by Natalya on Oct 13, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ALL great points Nat
and I have never seen him as anything other than a tremendous weapon IF you have some relief on the other side of him vs. thinking in my wildest dreams he’s a #1 WR because he simply CAN’T EVER be that because of the way he’s built.
Heres my thinking,you have two guys who are both 5’11" and weigh180, one measures 3 feet from heel to hip socket and the other measures 3 feet and 6 inches from heel to hip, which one is better balanced and has a lower center of gravity?
Ginn is the longer legged version in this example and thats why you can decleat him with a slap on the shoulder pad,he can’t help that of course but it’s the reason he will NEVER be able to break tackles,cut on a dime etc. but make no mistake about it if he can get off of the jam and learn to run better routes and we add a #1 Ginn will become a star in his on right,I certainly hope so for the betterment of our team.
by firedanhenningnow on Oct 13, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by samdaman on Oct 13, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by samdaman on Oct 13, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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