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This is my first attempt at a post so bare with me here. There is great deal of heat going on between us phans and I wanted to make sure to remind everyone, that despite our opinions, wishes, hopes, and relevant draft ideas, ole’ Bill has a recipe in place and our banter is unfortunately reserved for the court of public opinion; though it’s damn fun to argue and speculate!

 

           

Star-divide

Call me psycho if you will…But in order to understand anything fully we must get under the hood, sometimes to the brink of insanity. This is my attempt to better grasp the genius behind the Parcell’s draft strategy and validate

 

Parcell’s has a formula, no doubt. His success from place to place is undeniable. His formula is deep seeded in honor, pride, the basics, and surrounding himself with football enthusiasts. His model coaches and players are die-hards who understand sacrifice, team, and work ethic. All others will not be tolerated. You don’t win with track athletes and athletic directors, you win with football players. You also win with team chemistry which is easy when everyone is on board.  So what’s his secret? (insert picture of Parcells in lingerie here)

 

How important then is the draft, since most of Parcell’s turn-arounds had started with poor teams and high draft picks? Also consider that he brings these draft pick and free agents with him wherever he goes too. Because I really don’t know exactly how much input Bill had at each team, I am giving him full responsibility for the successes and failures. Basically, I looked at each draft and each pick since 1983 to see what their overall value was and to also see if Bill struck gold or missed out completely. I had uncovered a few surprising trends and interesting MOs.

 

1: 1st Rounders:19 picks: 14 legitimate pros or Probowl types: 4 decent contributors: 1 bust: G Adams, GIA 85’

                I call that success !

 

2: Early Rounds: Similar success in the 2nd round as well, with maybe only 4-5 real "busts" in 20 years!

 

3: GEMS: Many people see Parcell’s drafts as having great success in the late rounds but actually that is not so. The success is that he DOESN’T MISS in the first three. Rarely, like any team, you will find that occasional late round gem. Some include:

 

D Reisnenberg 6th 87’

M Guyton 8th  89’

M Stover 12th  90’

M Lane, 6th 94’

A Vinatieri, 7th 95’

J Ferguson, 7th 97’

J Ratliff, 7th 05’

Donald Thomas, 6th rd 08’ ?????

 

4: Drafting for Needs!  The flow of Bill’s drafts directly relate to the teams needs and very rarely does he ever take a reach outside of the team’s needs. In fact, there are drafts where he addresses the same position or need with several picks.

 

83: back to back TEs

84: C Banks and G Reasons

86: first 6 picks Defense (3 DLine) next 3 picks WR

87: 3 of first 4 picks WR- Igram, Baker, Turner

88: Top two picks O Line- E Moore, Jumbo Elliot

89: Top two picks O Line-B Williams, B Kratch- Two Safeties- G Jackson and Guyton

95: Two CBs: T Law and J Hitchcock, Two RBs C Martin and Phiyaw

97: 2 of top 4 DLine: Terry and Day (huh? and who?)

99: First three Oline, 5 overall! R Thomas, D Loverne. J Wiltz, JP Machado, R Young

04: Two of top 3 OLine: J Rogers, S Peterman

05: 6 of 8 Defense- 1st two DLine: D Ware, M Spears (Canty, Ratliff)

08: 2 of top 4 D Line: Merling and Langford.

 

There’s usually always a run on his team’s needs…. sometimes unprecendted like in 1999 going OLine with 5 picks!

 

5: Big Misses. There were some, few, instances where Bill flat out missed. In some cases a great player was available but instead passed up because he did not meet a need. Most of the time, when Bill did miss so did the rest of the league. In other words, if Bill went QB in the 3rd round, a gem may have been found in the 7th. Not his fault of course. When I speak of a miss, I mean with 20 or so picks and typically with the top three picks. Some notables:

 

83: Terry Kinard S, 1st: passed on Marino in a year he benched Simms. J Browner and D Green were overlooked.

85: Stacy Robinson WR 2nd: Andre Reed

86: G Lasker DB 2nd: V Glenn, T McTyer

E Dorsey DE 1st, J Washington DE 3rd: missed C Haley, P Swilling, C Simmons, K Fagan

88: Eric Moore G 1st: R McDaniel

89: Brian Williams C 1st: M Stepnoski, S Wisnewski

93: Chris Slade LB 2nd: M Strahan, Chad Brown

96: Terry Glenn WR 1st: M Harrison, E Moulds, T Owens, J Horn

97: D Ward WR 3rd: D Mason, M Robinson,

      L Johnson RB 4th: Priest Holmes

98: D Boose DE 1st: L Little,

99: R Thomas G 1st, D Loverne G 2nd: E Mulitalo, J Saturday

03: T Newman CB 1st: T Polamalu

05: M Spears DE 1st , K Burnett LB 2nd:  J Tuck,

06: B Carpenter LB 1st: M Kiwanuka, D Ryans,

 

Surprisingly not much missed!! Even most of the players, who were selected, were serviceable in comparison to the relevant all-stars that had been missed.

 

6. Setting the Tone. While researching what was “missed”, I was drawn into the fact that most of the "star players" ,that had been overlooked, were simply not of the position Bill was trying to fill. This is a testament that he truly does stick to his guns and draft what HIS TEAM really needs, not what Mel Kipper Jr. feels is the best value.

 

Above all the micro-trends and things that we could not understand, which became relevant or irrelevant during each of these drafts, I had noticed that Bill’s draft appeared to ride against the current. I first noticed that once a particular “run” went on any given position, where teams fight for the scraps, Bill is busy securing the best available elsewhere. Many times, while teams fight over the remaining “top” corners, QBs, and pass rushers, other keys positions still remain very top heavy with talent; positions like ILB, TE, C, FS, K, and guys who can play Special Teams. Here is where Bill gets some bargains and his “lifers”, if you will.

 

Most interestingly is that, not only does Bill draft against the current, he also tends to spoil the runs on particular positions. Maybe they go hand in hand, but this trend is hard to explain. Let’s say you see a run on offensive players and QBs and WRs in particular start coming off the board. All of a sudden, here comes Bill and he takes a free safety. What happens time after time is that teams begin to avoid whatever position Bill had just picked. It really is hard to explain and you can get a better flavor for what I mean if you check out a few drafts for yourself.  Everyone runs from Bill!

 

7: Draft Day Maneuvers: What I don’t know, is when Bill had traded up or down for certain picks. This is a huge dunno, and can validate his successes and failure for sure. I did seam like he always traded for late picks, and that could explain his successes with special teams.

 

 

So, what are Bill’s (Miami’s) needs based on:

1)       Win now

2)       Immediate Playoff Run

3)       2 year plan   

4)       3-5 year plan

 

We have to be careful here, because the only thing that points to choice one is consistency from Chad Pennington, J Ferguson, Porter, and Ricky, all which can be replaced, and by supplementing them with FAs. As such, we need to keep focused on #3 with the draft and sprinkle in #2 with some FA help.

 

Many drafts can be predicated off of the free agent market, but that is not necessarily Bill’s blueprint. Everything must be scrubbed and built ground up at some point. So, keep the blinders on when it comes to free agents and look at the 2010 Dolphins as legitimate contenders and a perennial playoff powerhouse.

 

IMO: In the meantime, 2009 Draft Needs:

1)  WR

2)  DT

3)   PassRush (DE or OLB)

4)  CB

5)  FS

6)  OT (will move up if Carey leaves)

7)   FB

8)   RB or LB depth

 

IMO: Depending on where the “talent” lies in the 2009 draft, look for a run on defense, likely on DBs or defense in general. Above everything, as I had already pointed out, these draft picks are building blocks and Bill will be sure to bring in high character guys who are football players first and foremost. 

 

Free Agents I like: (There’s not much out there)

1)       DT A Haynesworth

2)       CB N Asomugha

3)       DE T Suggs

4)       WR TJ Housyerdaddy

5)       OT J Gross

6)       OT Tra Thomas

7)       CB J Miller

 

 

Just a little light reading to start the off-season!

Let the predictions, prognostications, pontifications, and prophecies fly!

 

Go Dolphins. 2008 AFC East Champions

 

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on big posts like this

 i just search for a few things by hitting ctrl + f
finsx, nicky, lcff, britt, beck

but then i just waiti intill other people comment…then i get to reading the post

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 8, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

that kinda of

disrespects all the work he put into this. Bad Finsxfactor………..bad

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 8, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but i actually read it

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 8, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well......not so bad then........... : )

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 8, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but...

Searching for Beck’s name in a post is really bad.

;-)

www.thephinisher.com

by The Phinisher on Jan 9, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

where have you been buddy?

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 9, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post NJ

  Gotta say you put some true heart into this one. Good job! Really like all the research you had to do. As much as I knew Parcells had our best interest, this shows what he’s done in the past and makes me feel that much better. Again, GREAT JOB!

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 8, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Little bonus nugget of info.

Bill Parcells started his Coaching career in the town I grew up in. Hastings, Nebraska.

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 8, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this should be fped...but the name gotta change

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 8, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

haha

When I saw the post title I was like oh god what the hell is this. But then it turned out to be a pretty good article and breakdown.

by yboord028 on Jan 8, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 8, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

this is a pretty damn good first post ever…..good job broski

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 8, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm going Corny here for a second

so bear with me lol

This post is ’rec’tacular!

lol I love you Husker :)

anyways. great work. looks like you put a TON of work and research into this one, and that always leads to a good post. This is no exception. really enjoyed getting an inside look into the mind of a genius (Parcells).

As far as misses in the late round, I think the majority of late round picks are misses, but the only thing that really matters is that the guy YOU take produces. If you take a guy in the 5th round, and somebody who gets drafted in the 6th round outperforms him, that’s fine, as long as the guy you got is a contributor somehow. And I think that’s the good thing about Parcells, is he doesn’t worry about value or draft grades or none of that, he goes out and gets the guy he wants, and the guy he thinks will help this team.

IMO, there isn’t a better guy to put a franchise foundation together than Parcells. He knows what it takes to win, and he knows what you need to have to get there, and that’s what he goes and gets. He’s the best thing to happen to this franchise since Marino.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 8, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great Read

Great read .. it was interesting reading this articule and finding out how Bill has worked in the past.

I don’t think Bill will see our #1 draft need as Wr though. I can’t knock you for it as it always seems like we need help at that position but I think it wont be until next years draft at the earliest when they really go for playmakers … see Giants Draft late year 3 or year 4.

by markus_13 on Jan 8, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post man!

makes me even more anxious for the draft. :)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 9, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you lcff, m_13, Finsx, nicky, husker, MHD..and everyone..

Figured I share my research cause it got me pumped up too… Since the mid 80’s I’ve been projecting which top names are going to be there each round, and made my very own wish lists. This year, I don’t care. I don’t care who says what and who is projected to go.. I doesn’t matter. I have faith that in who ever Bill takes I probably well deserved of a chance to succeed with us. No more John Bosas, Randal Hills, Billy Milners, Yatil Greens, John Averys, Jamar Fletchers… I am finally in off-season peace.

Yeah I know the title is pretty lame… how bout..?

Pubic hairs in my rice pudding
Why is there a fat girl in my bed, wearing an O’Brien jersey
Tim Bownens finds missing toes
Nick Saban chokes on natural protein shake
Top 10 reason to whip out your weiner

gotta run.. be well Dolphans… Wake me up when we pick!

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

by NJDolphan68 on Jan 9, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

lmao

i like the first, “pubic hairs in my rice pudding” lol

and btw it is MHTD to you sir lol

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 11, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

MHD what weer those titles for?

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 11, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

were*

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 11, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to change the name of the post

he doin it as a joke, cause others are commenting that the current title threw them off when they first saw it

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 11, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

im apalled that this was not front paged. ...or was it?

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 11, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

has yet to be fp’ed…….MATTY!!! this needs to be changed

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 11, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

surprising..............................................................................considering the other things that get fp'd

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
Official Leader of the Draft Kenny Britt Bandwagon

Longest Sig In the History of Phinsider belongs to Me. 53 Lines in Total.

Check it out.

Front Paged - Class of 08.

by finsxfactor on Jan 11, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn good

I liked the post. And I have to agree with other comments I have seen, but I don’t think we will pick a WR in the first round. To me, it comes to two ideas. One is WR’s come a dime a dozen. I mean look at the scraps we have and they did us just fine. The only bust is apparently the guy that we picked up in FA. But I think we should give him the off season to get his mind right, maybe make a turn around. And if not then part ways with him. And two I think Bill is cheap. I know I know, look how much Jake Long got paid, but basically Bill told Jake’s agent that this is what we are offering, take it or leave. Because he gave him a deadline, and if he couldn’t decide Chris Long would have gotten the call. I think we should get a saftey or LB in the 1st round, second get some lineman or maybe a WR. Besides we have a bunch of free agents we have to resign.

by esco6781 on Jan 9, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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