Lay off Ted Ginn

by Matty I on Jan 7, 2009 12:15 AM EST in News Comment 115 comments

Enough already, people. We get it. You aren't happy that the Dolphins spent the ninth overall pick on Ted Ginn. But don't write crap like this one site wrote, in regards to some of the top needs of this team:

A legitimate threat at wide receiver. Ted Ginn was horrible today and his bumbling mishandle of a reverse late in the game squashed Miami's momentum and a scoring threat that would have made it a three point game. He continues to show us nothing. Teddy Ginn needs to be Teddy Gone. (take your family too).

Now I'm not saying I don't agree that the Dolphins need a legitimate #1 receiver. They most certainly do.

But to call out Teddy like this is ridiculous. Does he really continue to show nothing? I guess the writer of this didn't see what I saw. Because I saw a young wide receiver show more flashes of his potential. I saw a receiver gel with a quarterback after catching passes from 3 different QBs during his rookie year. And I saw a player who will make a great #2 wide receiver.

The problem here is that people hold Ginn's draft status, a #9 overall pick, against him. But here's the thing: IT'S NOT HIS FAULT! Blame Cam Cameron and Randy Mueller for the pick. But don't hold it against Teddy for being drafted earlier than he should have. I know - it's not smart to spend a top 10 pick , or any first rounder, on a player who will likely only become a #2 receiver at this level. But it isn't Ted's fault.

All I know is that Ginn doubled his TD output from his rookie season, catching 2 and running for 2 more. And his 2nd year stat line isn't as bad as some make it out to be (56-790-2). In fact, his first two seasons are very close to the first 2 seasons of another small, fast receiver: Steve Smith. Like many receivers, Smith broke out in his 3rd year. The major difference, of course, is each player's draft position. Smith was a 3rd round pick by the Panthers. But, again, Ginn's draft position is not his fault.

Ginn's 2nd year production is also very similar to Marvin Harrison's - who caught 73 balls for 866 yards. And Ginn's first two seasons are also better than the first two seasons of Roddy White, Hines Ward, Donald Driver, and Santana Moss.

So how about we give the kid some more time before we say things like "Teddy Ginn needs to be Teddy Gone." And remember, these people who are criticizing him now will love him when he becomes the kind of player I think he is going to become. But I'm forgiving - I'll let you "fans" back on the bandwagon when that time comes.

But you'll have to apologize to Teddy himself first.

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matty i have to agree

it is WAY to early to pass final judgement on Teddy (and his family too). receivers usually take 3 season to gel in the NFL … so next season is likely his make or break year…

on his plus side he is getting better, he does have good hands, and makes quality catches…

on his negatives… it’s pretty easy to question his drive, he seems to hear footsteps at times, is all to willing to duck ob or hit the deck instead of fighting for the extra yards, and he will give up on plays at times, and finally for all his speed he still hasn’t figured out how to make people miss… (something he can learn from bess)…

now my only complain on t ginn from sunday was, what the heck happened to him on reed’s pick six… it’s bad enough that ginn falls down, but for ed to pick the ball off and run across the field (back and forth) and tedd, with his speed not get up and run him down, i want to know what happened (never was able to see on the tv replays)…
i mean bess came back and got his guy on penne pick to him…

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 12:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

oh and i forgot to mention

his greatest strenght – speed to get deep doesn’t seem to match up with the skill set of the current starting QB… so until a stronger armed QB takes over, i really don’t expect to see teddy blossom.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

how did I know you would get a dig in on Pennington?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

not a dig at penne

throwing the deep ball is not his skill set, never has been…

Teddy’s best asset is his speed and ability to get behind coverage, so unless you have a QB who has the ability to throw over coverage, teddy will never reach his full potential…

countering that, teddy has trouble getting off the line and creating space in coverage, which doesn’t match with a short passing game (penne’s ability)… where as a bess excells at this and has prospered with penne.

so stop being so pasta arm sensative and just look at what i write… heck if you pair up steve smith with penne, it likely wont be marriage made in heaven… it’s just an issue of pairing up skill sets.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The WR is no better than the QB

Ginn is still a work in progress. And we saw some of his work come to pass this year, eventually he’ll get a good QB that plays to his strengths consistenly.

Carmillo had a career year, and bess was starting to light it up too. Why? Because Pennington strengths is short accurate underneath passes. You have a accurate QB that can hit speedy receiver on stride thats underneath your gonna get some yards.

If we get a QB that can get Ginn the long ball, accurately, without it being underthrown with him having to wait on it while the defenders get position, he is gonna light it up. That being said he still needs some more coaching up and is not in any way/shape/form a #1 receiever people were making him out to be after his big game.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 7, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The QB can’t help it when a pansy WR is afraid to take a hit.

by rroan28 on Jan 7, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he aint no pansy wr lol...

have you seen him catch the balls over the middle? he caught the pass…took the lick (that means hit incase you didnt know) jump up..slam his arm in a first down symbol..then jump and run back to the huddle

next year i expect even more production lol

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hahah what happened to him? he was chasing the guy and got leveled by Ray Lewis or one of those Land Beasts (mythical creature)

wearing ravens uniforms. I was in front of the play and I thought he wasn´t going to get up.

by MauMontaV5 on Jan 7, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ngata got him..

and it wasn’t pretty.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

so much for him being afraid to take a hit

I’m pretty sure he knew there was agood chance of him getting KTFO by Ngata and he tried to get by him anyway

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When it's me I can't forgive?"

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by Patssuck456 on Jan 7, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks for the update

tv never played a full field…. but how the heck does a guy like him get nailed by a NT…..

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Me Too!

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by buckeyebill on Jan 7, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree, I bought his jersey afterall

but I did see someone called him Teddy “Vagina Hands” Ginn Jr. which gave me a good laugh.

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by DolfinPhan on Jan 7, 2009 12:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Love me so Teddy Ginn Jr.

I can’t stand all that crap either .. I wasn’t happy about what happend during the game (the fumble) but it wasn’t all his fault. He will be better next year and getting to keep the same offense for another year will help him out even more. There is no reason why he can’t even be a #1 receiver. The guy is a burner .. it all comes down to the line playing better so the run game will be impossible to stop setting up a nice play action bomb to Junior for a TD at least 5 times next season

by markus_13 on Jan 7, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

think matty is right

that he’ll be a #2 at best….

teddy has issues getting off the line, creating space, and fighting through coverage…. all the things you’d expect a #1 to be able to do.

I wasn’t happy about what happend during the game (the fumble) but it wasn’t all his fault

I agree that it wasn’t ENTIRELY his fault, since it was suppose to be a hand off and penne must have surprised him with the pitch, but that said it is a ball he needs to hold on to, so he’s not blameless…. but that one play is far from the reason they lost that game.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Matty I didn't say a #2 a t best..

he DID say, that Ginn WILL be a #2 and then compare him with some #1 wr & there #’s in there 1st two seasons.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 7, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No Blame on Penne either

any hand off is tough when Ray Lewis is in your face. Interior O-Line needs to get there shit together … it wasn’t Pennigntons fault either. the game starts from the lines and works outward. The line screwed the play up.

by markus_13 on Jan 7, 2009 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ginn will be a good WR

Pair him with a number 1, and he becomes that much more dangerous because you either double him and get killed by the other guy, or leave him single covered and risk the big play to Teddy. He’s got that “score from anywhere” potential, which not too many people have.

I think he’ll break out next season (3rd year’s a charm). 900 yds and 6 TD’s.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Me, too.

I don’t see any reason to cut Teddy loose. I wouldn’t go as far as you did, Matty, and see he looks like a play who’ll make a “great” #2. He just hasn’t shown me that, yet. So far, I can say I think he’ll be good enough to be a #2. Greatness is something he’s yet to show me the potential for.

But, like you said, some great ones didn’t look great early in their careers.

by urbino on Jan 7, 2009 1:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

That should be "say" he looks...

by urbino on Jan 7, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

like a "player"...

by urbino on Jan 7, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with everything you guys are saying

but I just couldn´t stand watching my team collapse, my Qb collapse, and see that a practice squad receiver is the one having the balls to step up and not Ted.

by MauMontaV5 on Jan 7, 2009 1:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

i keep hearing these snide comments are ted ginn (+family)

wdf does his family have to do with it?

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 1:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Old Cam Cam reference.

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by DolfinPhan on Jan 7, 2009 1:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

what do you mean?

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

where ur head at boy

by MauMontaV5 on Jan 7, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

kk mauglo..cant you just explain it to me?

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 2:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

when Ginn was drafted

CamCam said he was happy to welcome Ted Ginn and his family into the Dolphins organization.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cause CCam knew Ginn family

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by Aleta on Jan 7, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

so now for the rest of his career he will be known as the ginn family?

guys thats stupid

are we really gonna listen to the crap cc said?

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

are you really coming around on that now?

There’s been thousands of Ginn Family jokes on here since I got here. It has nothing to do negatively with Ted Ginn, more of a joke about CamCam.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

then why do we have to rope our budding star in there?

cant we just make cam cam jokes without makin fun of mach 19

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it IS a camcam joke

he said we drafted the whole Ted Ginn Family. We make fun of him. Don’t be so sensitive.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the man has spoke

by MauMontaV5 on Jan 7, 2009 3:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

btw

this whole article = Matty SLAP

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 2:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

MUY GRANDE'

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by Rzayo24 on Jan 7, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ginn, eh, well what can I say?

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 7, 2009 3:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

what can u? what do u think?

by MauMontaV5 on Jan 7, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What do I think

I think he hasn’t had anyone good throwing him the ball. Let me clarify:

Trent Green….umm
Cleo Lemon….enough said
John Beck….Mr Fumble

As far as Pennington goes, He is a good QB. But his strengths are short, accurate passes. To utilize Ginn and his abilities to stretch the field we need a QB with a stronger arm that defense respect to go deep.

Under the circumstances, Ginn is nowhere worth the 9th pick we sepnt for him. But I think he has made strides, all things considered.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 7, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

true to that

I think Ginn will have a bigtime breakout once Henne takes over. Henne and Manningham made a great tandem at Michigan because Manningham could just run by people, and Henne dropped bombs.

I don’t think Ginn was worth the 9th pick, but then again, 95% of draft picks are picked in the wrong spot, whether it be too low or too high. The trick is to get guys that will be on your team as regular contributors. If Ginn is a starting number 2 on a Super Bowl winning Dolphins squad, would we still call him a bust for not being the Greatest WR Picked at Number 9 of All-Time? I think not.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i guess that will never happen

cause Henne taking over for penne is some sort of mythical event in the cheerleader camp’s book…
afterall penne is a flawless QB.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember during the draft

The analyst said that the Texans were thinking about draft Ted but the dolphins pick ONE pick before them. The Texans have Andre Johnson also so I am all for bringing in a guy like Bolden.

here kitty kitty kitty BANG!

by bryankstro on Jan 7, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

mistakes

about drafting Ted
and
Picked one pick

here kitty kitty kitty BANG!

by bryankstro on Jan 7, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

dont forget

we dont just have Ted Ginn, we have the whole Ginn family

You gotta hate to lose more than you want to win

by alwaysafan on Jan 7, 2009 3:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

How could we?

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by Neo on Jan 7, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ginn dropped the ball!!!

But look at body of work for the season
He’s human
He’s been progressing

And leave the mans family out of it!

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by rangerjae on Jan 7, 2009 7:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I've been on the Ginn bandwagon since day one

YOu do not get drafted by looks or your family you get drafted because a team sees something great in you. Ginn is going to be good just give him time.

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by bryankstro on Jan 7, 2009 7:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think so too!

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by buckeyebill on Jan 7, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too!

That year I filmed a bit at an NFL bar in London on Draft day. (stupid me for planning a vacation during the draft, but at least I found a place that showed it).

Dolphins fans in the bar were not happy at all, but I was psyched. Had been reading about Ginn during his college days and liked what I read.

People need to give him a chance. He’s been improving and the talent is there!!

by 2Michelles on Jan 7, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I give up on Ginn

I have tried to look the other way and just keep drinking the kool-aid and think about Ted’s combine numbers, but forget it. this guy doesn’t do the things that great receivers do, and as a consequence will never amount to much. He is not quarterback friendly, does not separate, does not fight for the ball much and allows interceptions and he is not tough. He is supposed to be a great return man, but he is too fragile and ducks out of bounds way way too much for someone who is supposed to be fixing our field position.

I’ve had it with him. he has underachieved since day one. the dolphins were frustratingly bad against baltimore, but when the ball hit Ginn in the hands and it was the right call and it was looking like a sure touchdown if he just bobbles it a little and it just typified the whole day for miami. so lets cut him as a sacrificial lamb on top of the fact that he won’t help us much.

goodbye goodridence!

by The revenge of Hugh Green on Jan 7, 2009 8:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

ughhh Matty....make the bad men stop

Why do we need to get rid of him? Matty is DEAD ON. Its not his fault we took him early as hell…but we did…and deal with the reality of it. He is a nice player to have….so lets surround him with other players that compliment him.

My biggest gripe with the coaching this year (and maybe the only)….is that Ted Ginn Jr. did not return anything and everything the other team kicked our way…but I understand it because I believe they wanted him to concentrate on being our #1 WR…

Next year I believe Ted Ginn will be returning all kicks…and we will have a big possesion WR in here one way or another. I am 100% behind the Boldin bandwagon.

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by Rzayo24 on Jan 7, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Next year I believe Ted Ginn will be returning all kicks.

I hope not. Whatever he may turn out to be as a WR, he doesn’t have the knack for returning kicks.

by urbino on Jan 8, 2009 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

unless we have a STs wall that can get him into the clear half the time.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 8, 2009 1:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well when he is a great receiver for the dolphins don't jump on the bandwagon

Here is a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35fxXOXBrA8
Tell me he has no potential after watching that. I think I will shoot myself. The first bomb if it was a QB that had a big arm throwing it Ginn would have been gone. Also look at 1:55 he went up caught the ball knowing he was going to get smacked, so don’t tell me he doesn’t take hits.

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by bryankstro on Jan 7, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

he doesn't often take hits.

and he doesn’t often break tackles.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 7, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

doesn't fight for the ball?

I think that his two catches against the Jets are good examples of Ginn fighting for the ball.

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by Matty I on Jan 7, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

but it is an area he needs to get better at… there are at least an equal number of games where he alligator armed passes and hit the turf/went out of bounds to avoid hits…

like i said earlier, there has been improvement in his game from year 1 to year 2, but he is certainly still a ways away from being an above average wr.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

jesus..

did he beat you up as a child or something? I don’t know how much you actually know about WR’s, but he hasn’t underacheived at all, considering his numbers compared with the numbers of many VERY good WR’s in their first two years. They’re strikingly similar. Year 3 is usually the breakout year for a WR. Ted was in year 2, and led an 11-5 playoff team in receptions. In an offense that didn’t play to HIS strength, which is going up top. So to say he doesn’t help us much is ignorant and uninformed.

Also, consider who has been throwing him the ball. As a rookie, he had 3 different QB’s, none of which were any good. This year, Pennington found him often, and Ginn’s slice-job of Buffalo’s defense was great. But Ginn’s strength (deep ball) is Pennington’s biggest weakness.

You say he isn’t QB friendly, but he catches nearly everything thrown to him. You say he doesn’t separate, but his 56 catches disagree with you. You say he doesn’t fight for the ball, but look at both catches against the Jets, where he (wait for it) fought for the ball and came down with it. You say he isn’t tough, but he’s taken licks this season and came right back with no problems. You say he’s too fragile and ducks out of bounds, but I give you Marvin Harrison, who falls to the ground after every reception yet is considered one of the best in the game. Or DeSean Jackson, who steps out of bounds every chance he gets, yet was one of the most impactful rookies in the league this year. For every WR that you name that seeks out contact (Boldin, Owens, Ward, Smith), I can name 3 that avoid the contact to protect themselves (Harrison, Wayne, Moss, Moss, Welker, Holmes, Holt, Branch, Chambers, etc etc)

You’re argument sucks. It has more holes than Sonny at the tollbooth.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

more holes than Sonny at the tollbooth.

nice. can you say, “swiss cheese”?
:)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 7, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

lol....thats a lot of holes

and a head kick to boot

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by HuskerDolphin on Jan 7, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So why can't he be a #1 Receiver

I agree that he needs to put on weight and do all the extras but why can’t he be a #1. He will have a full offseason learning the SAME complicated offense and put on that extra muscle and work on his technique. His speed isn’t going anywhere … 3rd year always is the breakout year and he finally doesn’t have things working against him (rookie – injury, 2nd – New Offense)

The coaching staff was always saying he needed to play faster and stop thinking .. this year I think he does that. Pennington is staying in town and hopefully him and Teddy will get a lot of work in to make it a great QB-WR tandem.

I don’t think a WR is even needed this offseason. Just a better O-Line to give Pennington the time to throw the ball and give the WR time to make finish there routes. Think touchdown catch vr. Jets but happening all season. Didn’t he make three consecutive catches against the Ravens at one point before Pennington threw a pick near the endzone?

I think it will be like this next year Ginn #1, Camarillo #2 and Bess #3. They will spend time else were and work with this young group over the offseason. If we bring someone in it means they aren’t showing any improvement in OTA’s

by markus_13 on Jan 7, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget about Armstrong

anyone remember we have that kid waiting in the wings? Great speed.. he may be the WR we are looking for.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 8, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

actually

he pretty much nails all of teddy’s faults except that he fails to mention that Teddy might be the worst run blocking WR in the nfl….

but all of what he says, i’m willing to give teddy some time since he was considered a ‘project’ when he was drafted…

as to the toughness thing – 1st Marvin H tends to hit the ground AFTER catching the ball and getting a first down… 2nd you are dead wrong about welker – don’t think i’ve ever seen him duck OB when an option of picking up more yardage was availible…
and i have no idea what you are talking about if the chambers you have on that list is chris… just plain wrong there.

3rd the jets game was one game where tedd showed some progress, where as ducking that 4th?? down ball against the pats?? IIRC was pure wussiness on his part… (not cleo lemon running OB on 4th and goal but in the neighborhood)

but as you say receivers take 3 years or more to develop and teddy needs time before a final evaluation is made.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

# 1 potential

But # 0 drive. It’s all in his head. He’s got the skills to go out and be number one but HE HAS TO GO OUT AND BE NUMBER ONE. Maybe he doesn’t know it’s up to him. Maybe he hasn’t realized he’s not in Ohio State anymore and on scholarship and playing defenses where most of the players will be behind a desk come draft day and not on a football field. I think that if he figures out what he needs to do, he’s going to kill opposing defenses. He’ll be unstoppable.

I do agree with most of you though, he hasn’t shown me much yet either. But Matty is right on. His stats are similar to other #1 recievers in their second year. The third year will tell us everything we need to know.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jan 7, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

i disagree

I think his game is speed…..until he gets muscle…like the comment below states….he can be pushed around. I dont want to see him get slower cuz he got bigger though

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by Rzayo24 on Jan 7, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So true

I think that his weight room habits are directly reflective of his drive to get better. Like michphishfan said below, “If he is serious” he’ll find the weight room. Getting stronger is part of what he needs to do to be a number one. It’s all in his head, anyway. Putting on five or ten pounds is far from impossible for a professional athlete. I don’t know how much he needs to weigh, or how much you think is best, but I wouldn’t think even adding fifteen or twenty pounds, and getting up to 200 or 205, would slow him down. It may make him faster, but he’d have to get bigger to find out.

Boldin is 6’ 1" and 217. Santana Moss is 5’ 10" and 200.

But the numbers really don’t mean anything. I’m just saying it’s possible to put on a lot of weight and not slow down, not that it will happen. Little Nicky’s comment below sums it up best. The explosivness is more important, not necessarily the mass. I really hope Ginn can do it, not just so we didn’t waste a 9 pick, but because I just know that if he can, he can be one of the best in the league.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jan 7, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

kenny britt is 8'3 ...230 pounds and runs a 2'2 fourty. no lies!

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

question for you finsxfactor.......

If Britt gets hit, by a CB using his helmet and ruins his ACL……would this hit be called a “Britt-knee-spears” ?

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by HuskerDolphin on Jan 7, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

haha

That’s great

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by SunDolphin on Jan 7, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well since he has knees as strong as superman (minus the kryptonite) i dont see that happening

but nice try lol it was pretty good

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

now he's a superhero?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 8, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh husker.

you didn’t.

;)

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 8, 2009 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I said it before and I will say it again

Ginn needs to bulk up. If he is serious about becoming a good if not great receiver then this off season will tell me something about him. If he comes into camp looking stronger and a few added pounds then he is serious about becoming something on this team. He still needs time to develope. He needs to become more physical at the line. The added muscle will help. People are comparing his size with Steve Smith but look at the difference in muscle mass between the two..

by michphishfan on Jan 7, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

i agree with that

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by Rzayo24 on Jan 7, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Get your facts straight please

Steve Smith is Ted Ginn Jr is
5-9 185LBS 5-11 180 LBs
So there is a five pound difference in muscle(if it is muscle and not fat) that isn’t going to show much and it wouldn’t be hard for Ted ginn to put on five pounds of muscle. So how is Steve Smith great but Ted Ginn will not be great? He will be great with TIME.

here kitty kitty kitty BANG!

by bryankstro on Jan 7, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it did not turn out the way i wanted it too

Steve Smith is 5-9 185
Ginn is 5-11 180

here kitty kitty kitty BANG!

by bryankstro on Jan 7, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Smith is 2 inches shorter and 5 pounds heaveir

That tells you that he has more muscle mass on him. And just by looking, you can see Smith is built stronger.

But Ginn can stand to gain 5 to 10 pounds of muscle and not lose any of his speed.

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by Matty I on Jan 7, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

right

he needs to build muscle that translates to explosiveness, not overall strength. Bulking up may not be the proper term, because we really don’t want him to be cock-diesel or nothing. I can’t think of the word to describe it right now, but we want him to have that violent explosion when he comes off the line, when he attacks a jam, and when he breaks in and out of cuts. Steve Smith is not huge, but he’s strong as hell in his legs and especially in his core. And everything he does is like “BOOM” whereas Ginn is smooth and everything he does just happens without that ‘wow’ moment, until you realize he’s going faster than everybody.

Keep all his speed, and get more explosive, and we’ll have one hell of a WR on our hands.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Matty can you put there pictures side by side

If you can tell a difference between them than you must have an eagle eye. Plus Smith is shorter so he is going to look bulkier than ginn. It depends on the way a person is built. As I said before 5 pounds of muscle isn’t going to take long to put on.

here kitty kitty kitty BANG!

by bryankstro on Jan 7, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

easy answer

steve smith is tough and fights for yards. he also makes guys miss.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 7, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

great point

but like RZ said, it can’t be too much muscle that it hurts his speed.

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by Matty I on Jan 7, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i thought bryankstro said that.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 7, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

#1 receiver

Ted is not one. So now I’m going to say something that you’ll hear me say multiple times throughout the offseason:

We should do what it takes to get Anquan Boldin from Arizona. Arizona will not want to continue to pay 3 starting-quality receivers. Fitzgerald isn’t going anywhere and Breaston is significantly cheaper for them to keep than Boldin. Boldin is a local boy (Palm Beach County) who has the size and speed to be a complete package. Bring him home!

by Saxonthebeach on Jan 7, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Man that would be Great!!!....If we could get him....

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by buckeyebill on Jan 7, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That site has been in decline for a long long time, not suprised they would put out an article like that,

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by Patssuck456 on Jan 7, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I know a lot of people want Boldin

but that is NOT to realistic, and i doubt THIS coaching staff wiil make the move to bring him here.

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by Aleta on Jan 7, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

why isn't it realistic..?

Before the season, Boldin made it known he wanted out of Arizona, and would welcome a trade to Miami. He wanted a new contract to matchup with the one that his buddy Fitz just got, and AZ refused to negotiate a deal with him before the season. Nothing has changed regarding his contract status or his feelings towards it since then. Arizona may be looking to deal him and get picks, because it will probably be too expensive to pay him and Fitzgerald and be able to build a strong team around them.

We have draft picks, and we need a big, strong WR like Boldin. They have Boldin, and need to unload him this year or lose him FA next year, and they would welcome draft picks. What’s not to like? It all comes down to how much they want, but I think he could be had for a 2nd and a conditional 2/3 next season. I’m making that deal if I’m in the FO.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LN21! Come on!! Get real!!

Boldin for a 2nd rounder? if that is the case, i will be happy by even giving them a 3rounder this year. But you know, that isn’t happening. There will be other team who will be giving a LOT more than a 2nd and a cond 2/3 NEXT year. There will be teams that will give, for him, 1st, 2nd, 3 this year all together.

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by Aleta on Jan 7, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

never happen.

NOBODY is giving away the entire first day for Boldin. If we have to give up a first, that’ll be it. They’re not getting Jerry Jones to give away the entire draft for a WR at mid-season. Two second-round picks is one hell of a haul for a WR that you don’t absolutely need and can’t exactly pay. If they want a first and a conditional 4/5 next year, I think I still make that deal.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Me too!

BUT, maybe there is one JJones, but there are the Redskins owners, and the Davises all over the league ; ). With those offers(the one you just propose) somebody else WILL outbit us.

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by Aleta on Jan 7, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

we'll see

He also has a say in where he goes, because he can just refuse to sign an extension and leave in FA next year. His desire to play in Miami will have a big role in what happens, I think.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hope GOD hear you and grant us this wish. ; )

For those that are not X-tians, and to be politicaly correct, then Mohamad, Buda, or the entity that you beleive, if you beleive in something… THIS IS RIDICULOUS! been politicaly correct SUCKS!! ; )

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by Aleta on Jan 7, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

lol don't be politically correct

just say football gods. lol

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 7, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Matty-on Teddy Ginn

everyone one needs too chill about him and get a life… he mad a lot of plays for us this year. now he has too get better and he will. and if the fish bring Boldin or draft P. Harvin that will help Ginn and make him a better down the feild.

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by Miami Vice 29 on Jan 7, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ginn has potential

but like i have said many time and seen posted by others, his knack for going down at first contact or OB, along with his seemingly inability to make guys miss will keep him from being a real threat.
If you can clear everyone out and put him in a foot race with a defense, he will out run everyone, like on that KC end around. But he very rarely breaks a tackle. Which is part of the reason he isn’t handling returns anymore. The other part of that reason is that he doesn’t show good judgment on when to make a cut and pick a hole. Cobbs showed a good knack for turning it up field for an extra 5-6 yards when he knew he had nowhere else to go.
Bulking up might help him, but I really think he lacks toughness and instincts. And I’m not sure you can “develop” those qualities. It will be interesting to see what happens with him this year.

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by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 7, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I still have my ginn jersey...i aint givin up on him

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Anger Explanation

It would be Carl Peterson stupid to cut or trade Ginn now.

I was EXTREMELY angry when the bothced exchange happened, and it was Ginn that my anger was directed at. We were driving and had a chance to make it a game.

The O line has some blame too because multiple Ravens were in the backfield on that play. Maybe we wanted overpursuit to set up the play, but an end around takes some time to get the end around.

Ready to move on now though. Ginn is a Dolphin, and as long as he is, he is one of my boys.

by Sparcells on Jan 7, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I CERTAINLY AM NOT AND WON'T BASH GINN! I APPLAUD HIS 2nd YEAR PERFORMANCE(S) + PRODUCTION!

I agree that a person can’t control their draft picks and when people are constantly holding peoples performance up to the level of the draft pick, that is a poor practice. Most are aware that WR’s usually come out during year three and I think he did VERY good this year, in this his second season and I see him building on that next year. I also agree that he is likely a good #2 receiver but does have potential to be a #1. I’m not a huge fan of his size but maybe we’ll get another guy that can fill the #1 spot and be a bigger more physical guy and then the combo should work real well.. as for the draft position..who cares, I believe that is totally irrelevant at this point..let’s lay off this guy and better yet, hope about praise him and appreciate what he has done thus far!

by dolphinsfan4life on Jan 7, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ginn

For one, the end around wasn’t all his fault. Put some of the blame on the offensive line. People seem to leave the part that Chad was hit about the same time Ginn was supposed to recieve the ball.

Also, he made some great catches and against the Jets… he saved an inteception by splitting two defenders and going up to get the ball. Lay off him.

by Dizzi00 on Jan 7, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He's coming along, but i don't see him

as #1 either. But as long as he continues to improve, I am not going to bash the guy (this coming from an Irish fan who was crushed they didn’t go Brady Quinn…)

Options for number one: I’m thinking Braylon Edwards.. he wants out of Cleveland… maybe package one of our second round picks with a late rounder for him. I know might it be a pipe dream, but he had a down year..

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by NumberSeven on Jan 7, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

on the freaking mark

he’ll really end up another chris chambers. not a number 1 reciever but not a 2 either. He can be a solid 1,000 yd guy in the future

by kazam92 on Jan 7, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

i feel like i need more Matty comments to even out the amazing offseason bs i have read so far

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by Rzayo24 on Jan 7, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Also, it's not like the botched handoff was Ted Ginn's fault

Blame the offensive line for letting Ray Lewis get through to Pennington so quickly, credit the Ravens for getting so much penetration, or blame Chad Pennington for giving Ted a bad handoff, but the play was busted before Ginn got the ball.

by math_geek on Jan 7, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

the handoff was perfect...but he was rushed so it was way to fast and short armed

i played that play back on nfl.com….paused it….looked at it for 10 min in like 50 diffrent ways…..and damn near cryed lol

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by Rzayo24 on Jan 7, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Too Soon

Too soon to tell on Ginn. It takes receivers awhile usually, they don’t all just start out like Randy Moss. But at the level he was picked, it’s only fair to expect more from him, and there are a lot of players and NFL experts who have said the same thing.

by oceantracks on Jan 7, 2009 5:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ginn

Listen, the bottom line on Teddy is that he has a bunch of potential. Lets not forget that this is his first real year in a stable offense with a single quarterback taking the snaps. He has shown a lot of improvement on route running and he already knows how to use his speed. Lets give him some time in a concrete offense and see what kind of havoc he can wreak on defenses. I’m not saying that he’s a number one receiver, but I totally agree with Matty in saying that if we picked up a good number one, Teddy could develop as a legitimate threat.

Go Phins!

by FinPhan on Jan 7, 2009 9:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs