saying Pennington was a huge part of our turnaround. Most of the players in the locker room said he was one of the biggest reasons this team was able to make a playoff run.

just sayin.

Or Henne? Or Beck?

I completely respect your opinion and share your sentiments about the 2009 season, but I wouldn’t expect too many quarterbacks to have a big day facing the Ravens defense with only Ginn and London as the WR for an important stretch of the game.

You’ve provided a dissenting opinion on the Phinsider for a while now, often times during live game threads and on subjects with near unanimous agreement from the rest of the community. This rubs many people the wrong way, but I find the discussion intriguing and helpful for expanding our appreciation of the team. Thus, I have rec’d this post in hopes of hearing others’ opinions on your decidedly minority take on Pennington. I hope you will not get discouraged when you are inevitably attacked for your beliefs.

Although… looking at your user profile, I would imagine we would get into further arguments regarding baseball and college basketball… :-p

I won’t feel the urge to compare starting rotations with you then.

you don’t rebuild around a 30+ QB. It doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t. Look back to the beginning of the season, and remember what we all said we needed. A care-taker. Somebody to mentor our future QB (Henne) and help us develop the various young players we have on our offense (Long, Thomas, Ginn, Bess, etc.). Pennington comes in, and he was EXACTLY that. He was everything we wanted out of this year’s QB, and then some. But, and I’m sure this is exactlly how Neo feels, we can’t forget what the ultimate goal was when Parcells first got here: to build a perennial contender. And I just don’t think, being completely realistic, that Pennington is a franchise QB FOR THE NEXT DECADE. And I think that’s the most important thing to remember this offseason, is that one magical season wasn’t what we all signed up for when we ordered the “Parcells Architect Kit.” We want to be a powerhouse, filled with young talent, that can own the AFC for the next 10 years.

So remember that when we don’t go after a high-priced FA to fix the secondary, or draft heavy on heavy guys again this year, or the roster continues to have very few ‘big’ names on it. We’re not building this team around Pennington for success next season, and then a fizzle. The Jets did that this year, took quite a few FA’s that we wanted, as fans(Faneca, Pace) and went for broke. Now, they’re at stage 1 of rebuilding. I don’t want that. I dealt with that for this entire decade. I want this team to be built around our future QB and become a powerhouse once again. A team that scares other teams, a team that can pound opponents deep into the playoffs and beyond.

And who do you really envision as the QB of those monstrous Dolphin squads? Personally, I see Henne. So don’t discount what Pennington has done. Not at all. But don’t forget where we’re trying to go.

negative, but not me… Dead on Neo as usual.

You bring up some good points BUT no Pennington means not as many victories. I think open competition between CP10 and Henne is a good idea and CP10 would be a good coach.

I think you, like many of us, are sadened by the game and want to blame someone. Blame the O-Line. Did you see Pennington get the protection that Flacco got? Everytime he got picked with the exception of the 2nd Reed INT, he was pressured big time. Watch the tape. If Smiley were here, might be a different story. Blame the offensive cordinator. Poor play calling. Who are the two guys Chad hit all year long? The tight ends.

I say no blame no body. The team lost. Who cares how it happened? You can’t hang it on Chad alone. He has been a force.

I do agree with you about next year. Schedule will be tougher, but this team will be fine.
Thank you for your candor

Understood all your points. The thing that have to be re-think is “The went”
Went is the best time to star Henne?
Should we star Henne this year? or wait another year. I know this are the questions that many fans have & i would bet you that, even the coaches has the same questions. We will see.

Ps Remember that went parcel went to the other teams, he ALWAYS started vet QB’s, at the end, the younger QB follow suit. So Henne’s time is around the corner, lets wait till the corner arrives

without pennington, we are not afc east champions or in the playoffs…i think pennington deserves all the credit given to him that he recieves. he has pulled this team together and brought veteran leadership in close games on the road. that should not be over looked. so i disagree with your post

Most of the time, people do and say things that have the least resistance. Like, it’s easy to praise Chad when we’re winning and it’s easy to slap him around when we loose. Unfortunately, the QB does get the horahs and the punishment.

Chad was a blessing for all the reasons stated 1,000 times. And he is the guy who can get you to the playoffs. But he IS NOT the guy to get you over the hump, unless you have an A+ team. We always see mediocre QBs win Superbowls who have great teams, but never do it alone, infact we’ve seen great QBs always struggle on poor teams.

There were 5 games this year in which I wish Henne (or someone else) was in there, only b/c I knew exactly what we’d get out of Chad and it is not enough to “dink and dunk” with the lack of receiving talent we have. NE in my opinon is still a better team and to beat them again, we better come up with a new “mystery” formation. This is a team we need to get down the field on and likely have to come from behind…not a good fit for Chad. Also, once we got behind Arizona, I cringed to watch Chad throw up so much. Lastly, there is the two games against BAL. Chad, as well as most of the offense, played with hesitation and what appeared to be intimidation. After a failed shot down the field, Chad would shell up… I watched him run away when the there was no pressure, just assuming he was about to get nailed. (Shame on the oline) There were some definate confidence issues out there, understandable against BAL’s D.

I suppose, in short, Chad is the answer today and we’ll not know if he is tomorrow unless the team greatly improves around him. He’s a 10-6, 11-5 QB with decent talent. I truly beleive that much of the play calling and even the advent of the wildcat were implemented to “cover-up” Chad’s deficiencies. Every QB has em’ but I just can’t stomach “giving up” on 3rd and longs or keeping good defenses on their heels. It’s these type of games, for us, against playoff claiber teams, that we need a QB who can keep defenses “honest”. Otherwise, they’re pinning back the ears and comin’ for us…

Thanks Chad, you were great. Hopefully we can build enough around you for next year and go 12-4 and deep into playoffs. Superbowl home-game sounds nice!

really?

i tend to agree. we over achieved this year and the thing CP gave us was stability while the team was adjusting to so many new players, at new positions, and with a new plan. But when you go against a D like the Ravens, you have to be able to get the ball deep and you need to be able to get it to guys quick. CP has touch, but I still don’t see the velocity on the outs, and several times this season he has under thrown Ginn on a fly. I think we need to find out this coming year what we have in Henne; otherwise, we could get a couple of years down the line and be pretty much done with “rebuilding”, and still looking for that long term answer at QB.
And you GOTTA know Henne will be chomping at the bit after seeing Ryan and Flacco jump in and be so successful their rookie seasons. :)

Well….Many times I click on the Phin and don’t log in..Just read everbody’s post..energize my Dolphin Karma and I am off with a full belly..back to my busy ass life. The one thing I love is that everyone on this site is very opinionated..which makes this site work and increases the testosterone..which in turn..makes the Balls Bigger.Big Balls are a good thing. My wife loves my Big Balls as I like to lay them on her forehead when she is peacefully sleeping and then scream..I’m Blind..I’m Blind…..but enough about me.
Logged in to give Props to NJDolphan68….Good Post. No matter how you feel about CP his post was about as accurate as it gets…..If you can’t find summation in his post..you may have missed a few games this year. I Like Chad and his play this year has been above above my expectations …..I think we can go deeper in the playoffs with him but NOT our team. We are several big playmakers away from being a dominant team. Great..we have some stability at quarterback..now lets go fill some bigger holes. WR,Safety,..on and on…..Rebuilding is a project..winning is a benefit.
We are a hundred miles away from where we were last year and the main thing that our team has learned this year is “What it feels like to WIN”
Proud to be a Dolphan!
Beafea

if henne does get the job, its simply disrespectful for the MVP runner up in a sense.

which comes back to the “look what he did for us. But wait it wasn’t only him” Its quite a conumdrum

You know you and I don’t see eye to eye on this. I don’t mind your opnions, but I also think that you have to realize that CP10 was a HUGE part of this team’s success. Even the players admit that. I think, because of him, Henne and Beck will be much, much better QBs for the future. I think, without CP10, this team isn’t even sniffing the playoffs, and is probably 6-8 wins at the most.

However, I will agree that if Henne or Beck (if he’s around) out plays CP10, they start next year. No complaints what-so-ever.

Now, your above comment of how he was disrespectful to his teammates and the fans by his play, that I have issues with. The guy was trying to win. He wasn’t out there shaving points. He wasn’t out there trying to lose. The guy was trying to win. He had one throw that was horrible. He admitted that. On the one where he got crunched, on the one where Ginn Jr fell down, and on the one where Ed Reed made a terrific play coming all the way across the field to intercept that ball, those I can’t say he was “disrespecting” anyone. He was a QB trying to make a play.

Bad day to have a horrible game. But that’s what it was…a bad day!

Have a great offseason. I can’t wait for next year! Talk to you soon!

friggin circus freaks…u really are…ur completely ignornat and you deserve to be a Lions fan. Your sad and you disgust me.

Lets review the facts….

CP10 played MVP football this year…in the NFL

Chad Henne barely won a damn thing at Michigan…lead noone….EVER

I like Henne..but give me some reasons you think he is the savior….tell me WHY he is better than CP10. Is it because you read a paper somewhere where it said Mel Kiper said he has a strong arm? Is it because his uniform fits him snug and its shiny? Is it because he is younger?

You want to be in the future before your time machine arrives….you think because we drafted him in the 2nd round he is a savior? Beck was a higher pick…how the hell did he play when he was given the job out of desperation?

Honestly…this is it. This is a joke. I refuse to entertain people that are this brand of fan. You think you are so damn smart…u think you have the answers….well you know JACK SHIT. Your starting quarterback had nothing to work with and came in 2nd in the MVP voting this year…but you want to pin him up against a unproven nobody….thats what Henne is…A NOBODY. until he proves he is better than what we have….he is a NOBODY….he won nothing in college…..he lost to teams with 2% the talent of his team….but his arm sure is strong!!!

get a clue u freaks…..CP10 is the starter…thats why their is a camp….if it looks like Henne has a case to get more playing time..then it will happen. You calling out a staff that won 10 games more than the prior is a joke and i hope u buy ur new Favre jersey tomorrow.

You should be ashamed….u really should. this is the brand of fan other people talk about when they make fun of us…

then I will see u guys in September…cuz i refuse.

to get into a fight with our own guys?

your quarterbacks play last year was better than anything ur team has had in 12 years..or longer

your quarterback came in 2nd in the MVP race

your quarterback holds team meetings without the coaches…and players said this year they have never been more prepared than CP made them

your backup QB is a unproven…average college QB….whom never lived up to the hype at Michigan

your regime likes quarterbacks who take care of the ball….the one you have just lead ur team to the fewsest turnovers in a nfl season

When the teams hit the field in mini camp….lets see what the Kid has got….but you dont need to trash an MVP runner up because he had a bad game….its stupid….its frontrunner shit….and its extremely irritating to us real fans to have you speak on our behalf in front of others in public.

ur the dame assholes who had brown bags on ur heads last yr…..

WAS DISRESPECTFUL TO HIS TEAMATES AND THE FANS WITH HIS PLAY VS. THE RAVENS…

lol

pennington is a solid QB who did a lot for us blah blah blah

he is not capable of giving us a superbowl so we should play henne, who has the potential to become that guy. We could construct and entire offense suited to pennys strengths but then we’d still need a dominant defense to be contenders(and penny would be too old by then). Its simply easier finding out of the youngin is a stud.

thats what these 200+ posts have become in a nutshell IMO. It is quite a conundrum actually and a great debate. Hell COllins and Dilfer won superbowls right? We’d all argue that pennington to superior to both of them

priceless

but someone make a chad pennington madden cover. Think thats viable?

nah AP will really get it

did favre beat the madden curse? He didn’t get hurt…or he kinda did wit hthe hsoulder and he played hoirrble

that damn curse gets shiftier and shiftier. Still cant believe it ended an MVP record breaking RB’s career

gotta run

“back end of his career”….try “CAREER YEAR”.

Yes there was bashing of CP10’s play…it was even discribed as “Disrespectfull”….which is ludacris to say.

I have a very hard time making a case against a Quarterback whom I hope is the next Dan Marino…so i wont bash Henne…..but he is what he is….unproven. You dont have a so-so QB…you have a QB playing at an MVP level. Go ask a Jets fan now if they would like to take back rushing CP out the door….ask them if they were wrong to chant ’CLEMENS! CLEMENS!"….knee jerk JERKS is what i dont wanna hear from….Lefty…Xman…i dont care if you love my team or hate my team…ill let u know when ur wrong.

(CUE LEFTY LONG POST LIKE RESPONSE I WILL ONLY SCAN)
(ALSO CUE FINSXFACTOR COMMENT ON WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAID BECAUSE WHAT HE SAYS RARELY HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING)

Things got too personal. Enough is enough, guys.

do you think i would call u a “cirucs freak”…it was actually a word used all day at work because i cakme across some true winners…and it leaked into this blog…sorry!!!

They put good pressure up the middle and forced outside where they double stacked on TEs, curls and slants ( the hot reads).

When they pressured outside, they had an extra guy deep for Ginn and let Reed roam free.

Also, we only had Ginn, Bess and London, so on 4 and 5 wide sets, Fasano was manned up with a corner or just lost in the mix as a slow WR…

Good rush, good scheme, limited QB ability, inexperienced O-Line, no WRs, and Ed Reed = bad day for Chad.

This is absolute garbage!!!!!!!!

Pennington’s best football is well behind him…..in 2003.

McCown has the mobility at least…..Pennington has zero mobility.

If we bring him in we need to release McCown…which puts us weeks behind. Why are we trading guys that are old on defense…and trading for guys that are old on offense?

We want Terry Glenn and Pennington…but we dont want Zach Thomas or Jason Taylor?!!

This is a joke and im sick of these older qbs putting us yrs behind the 8 ball. Start Beck or Henne…see which one is good..one of THEM IS BOUND TO BE SERVICABLE.

cmon with this crap already……Pennington reminds me of Griese.

Its Sunday afternoon…..do you know where your beer is?

by Rzayo24 on Aug 7, 2008 9:42 AM PDT actions

Holy ghosts of preseasons past, Batman!

Did we retard Henne’s growth just to play Pennington for one year. We knew we weren’t going to the SB, and CP was not the long-term answer, so then why Pennington this year afterall?. He made the organization look brilliant and restored fan confidence, but are we now further away from our goal because of him…?

I guess we’ll only know soon enough.

Ah, Hindsight,,,“you can get a good look at a steak -if you put your head up a cow’s ass…”
(Tommy Boy-sumtin like that..)

It is a valid arguement, by “retarding” I mean having him develop at a different pace. Perhaps a pace that does not line up with the team,, In other words, when his is in his prime, we might not have half the team we see today,,, and there we go- rebuilding again….

I don’t think he’ll be stunted, b/c he is good and definately learned on the bench…but some guys can sit back and absorb (Cassell) and some guys can go stale (Alex Smith) some guys can’t play right away (Harrington) and some guys need too (Ryan). I worry cause I think Henne is a gamer who needs to be in the mix, getting stronger each quarter and thriving off the “game”. I don’t want him to be unfairly thrown into the starting role after riding the pine, until all hell breaks loose..

is there.

remember 9-7? Gus Frerotte? R & R express? Chambers to the pro bowl? All torn to shreds with culpepper

BUT that was a different regime we had.

biut decided to go with Jackson….2 games in they said “ok..this guy isnt the future”…and went to Gussy boy….would that be better? Not get CP10…Henne sucked after a few games and we know he isnt the future…then we give the ball to Trent Green or someone?

 How is calling anyone a Bitch going to make your point that much stronger? I’m not taking sides at all, if I am, I’m taking the Phinsiders side. This is the reason Matty has an email, all of this crap could have been handled behind the scenes and off the boards in my opinion. I personally don’t understand all the name calling at all, by ANYONE! I even put a post up regarding this after the Cardinal game. Maybe some should go back and read it. Its a little dated, but the meaning remains the same. Here is the link.

Maybe “Most Controversial Post/Idea”….me wanting Mike Vick early in the season could make the nominees lol

what time is the dry cleaning due to be picked up?

should i still take ur yorkie puppy “Gucci” to the vet Monday?

would you like a back massage?

any chance next season you lower it to 10 bucks a front page?

can you ask SB for a “blogger virtual boxing match” add-on?

can i be ur “bitch” in the offseason?

can i call someone a “bitch” 17 times in 3 seconds….without getting banned?

RUTGERS!! WE WON THE BOWL GAME!! WOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This place went nuts! Everybody feel better now? I have a feeling this was a product of everyone’s frustration with the playoff game coming to a head and morphing into a very heated argument over a very good debate topic. I’m probably wrong, but just let it go this time lol. Revisit this same exact question (Henne or Pennington next season) in a month, and see how different the discussion is.

BTW, everybody knows I’m Matty’s favorite ;)

You say that not playing Henne or at least giving him some playing time was a mistake because we are a rebuilding franchise and bla bla. So the question is this: Why did this come post come up right after Chad had his worst game of the season and our season ended, and not when we were in our playoff run? Again, this is not about me defending Chad or you rooting for Henne or anything like that, It is as simple as this, why didn´t you raise hell during the season if how it played out didn´t have an effect whatsoever on what you are saying? I know the answer but tell everyone else. In my book you are a worthless piece of crap.

…I’m closing the comments down here. For future reference, please e-mail me when something like this arises and you have issues with other community members.

Thanks!

….so I’ve re-opened it. Just keep it clean and remember that we all want the same team to win.

Thanks.

makes no sense….and honestly makes me wanna feel your forehead to make sure your not sick.

we have all off-season to debate this….but until I see more of Henne…i dont even know where i stand. If he outplays CP10 in the preseason…and looks like the REAL DEAL….then I myself will say “Lets do this…the kid is ready”. But he will have to play out of his mind to make me actually think about benching CP10 after a career year and runner up mvp year.

Thats all….it doesnt go anywhere from here. You can tell me you hated CP10 all along…and you knew wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back when that he would suck so badly…all season..that he would suck IN A PLAYOFF GAME. Thats cool…you can say “He cryed…hes a pussy”…because im rolling with any guy that wants it so bad he crys…in a day when the cowboys are playing cards and dancing on the plane home from a loss…thats what i need in a player. You can have mr.toughguy doesnt show emotion.

You can say he has a noodle arm…but he doesnt..he just doesnt have Henne’s arm…but Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf had cannons….Joe Montana had a noodle arm

you can tell me your really pissed about how CP10 sucked Sunday….but make sure you realize their WAS a game sunday….

Henne…i hope to GOD…is our future…we need a gun slinging hot shot wet behind the ears stud at QB again. But just do me a favor and dont say “u hope we lose so he gets in”…or “if cp10 is in next yr my expectations are very low”…thats just anti-miami dolphin i think

thats all…i look forward to hearing your thoughts…about my thoughts….about your thoughts…about the qb situation thoughts on 2009