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Hold on people, way too much credit to Mr. Pennington

You all are starting to give WAAAAAAAAYYYYY too much credit to Mr. Pennington. Ya know what, he contributed to this great year, but by no means was he the REASON for this great year.

First our coaches did a hell of a job with the talent they had to work with. Draft picks like, Long, Merling, Bess played alot as well. Ronnie, Ricky, Porter, Ferguson players gave it all for this team.

An improving defense all year. Wildcat formation. And what seemed like a "nobody" player stepping up for this team to win in every game they won. All contributed to these wins.

To say that Pennington is the reason we went 1-15 to 11-5 is utterly ridiculous. Not to mention a slap in the face to every other player they sweated and put in the hours to help this team win.

Pennington manage the game. Fine. He drove the ball down at the end of a couple of games to help us win. OK. But thats mostly because the offense wasn't getting the job done earlier in the game to put teams away.

You know what, people call this a magical year, mythical, a "dream" year. Guess  what? It  was, but the year is over with now.

Now I know this isn't gonna be a popular opinion. I will be called neg neo (among other things), but I've seen this stuff happen alot. People fall in love with players, and let their hearts cloud the vision of their mind.

Alot of things broke the Fins way to do the things they did this year. All those close wins, injuries to the Pats, favorable schedule. Those things aren't going happen next year. We are a rebuilding franchise. Don't forget this. We are in rebuilding mode and had a magical year.

Now its time to get back to rebuidling for the future. It will be a open competition for the QB position and I hope Henne wins. Not so much that I hate Pennington, just that a 33 year old QB has no business starting on a rebuilding team if a second year QB is ready.

God bless the Fins, its players and its fans. Thank you Lord for this magical ride. Everyone think realistic and remember what we are trying to accomplish.

Thanks for reading my post. I'm sorry if you don't agree. But it is what it is.

PS

For the record, stop making excuses for the guy. Those INTS were all Pennington's fault. Don't feed me any BS lines about our OL not protecting, no running game, the receivers or "he was trying to make plays".  He played with them all year.

Pennington was overthrowing receivers annd throwing into double, sometimes triple coverage. Not to mention last time I checked it was 3-3 before all the INTS started rollin midway through the 2 qtr. The man is no god.

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It wasn't just us

saying Pennington was a huge part of our turnaround. Most of the players in the locker room said he was one of the biggest reasons this team was able to make a playoff run.

just sayin.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 5, 2009 1:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not saying he wasn't part.

I said that at the beginning of the post, but he is not the ONLY reason as some posters on here are making him out to be.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don´t forget that how the guy plays is freaking 30% of the picture. The other 70% we don´t get to see

but the freaking teammates do. Meetings with the o-line and receivers, developing young receivers into football players, leadership, studying defenses, and managing the offense emotions throughout the week and the game. So stop giving us your crap man all right? Havent you heard Sparano? we wouldnt have 6 freaking wins without the guy. So lay the hell off

by MauMontaV5 on Jan 5, 2009 1:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only 6 wins? Really?

Can you pull your head out his butt long enough to back up that total win count? I’m giving you my crap because I’m having to take everyone elses.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

look i know what u r saying

but he was so important to us for 2 reasons that did not apply either to Atlanta of Baltimore:

1-The team needed a LEADER.
2- This season we managed to do so much because we played basic and fundamental football, dink and dunk shit. Who better for that job man seriously. if u want to be that kind of team u need a guy who will put up 7 int a season 17 td manage the game well and know how to work a bunch of unbelievably shitty receivers.
3- Rookie and bad receviers. No roddy white or mason no no just 2 undrafted guys and a bust.
4. And then try developing this guys into respectable wr because of reasons #1 and 2.

Man I know that it is frustrating that every 3&8 u feel like u might as well kick a punt or seeing payton manning or rivers go long and feel like u are watching another sport than we have in miami but there was trully not one Qb, especially henne or beck, who could´ve done more for us than Chad did

by MauMontaV5 on Jan 5, 2009 1:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no comeback? thought so

just kidding dont know if it posted right

by MauMontaV5 on Jan 5, 2009 1:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not saying he didn't contribute to this great season

I admitted that at the beginning of the post. I know what he did in the film room, with receivers, ol and such. I also know he is a nice guy. But I don’t won’t to have 1 magical season and a nice guy get in the way of the progression of my franchise. I wasn’t around the last time the Fins wona SB and I’m not getting any younger. And to be honest, and this might hurt alot of people feelings, I don’t think Pennington can take us to a SB win.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed.

Upon close inspection of other championship teams, you will often find a dominating offensive line and defense taking you to those SB wins.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 2:00 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW how do we know Henne won't/isn't gonna do the same?

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He hopefully will.

In fact, I’m betting my next five year’s worth of football sanity on that premise, but I think it was important for him to sit and take everything in like a sponge this season.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 1:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with you

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:55 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How many wins do you give the 2008 Dolphins with McCown at the helm?

Or Henne? Or Beck?

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 1:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure, who the say

Flacco and Ryan both had 11 wins, and they were rookie QBs starting on 4 win teams last year.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you gave a quality rookie

… the Ravens defense or Roddy White/Michael Turner I would expect him to have a similar production level. There’s no way Flacco or Ryan win 11 games with 2008 Miami Dolphins.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 1:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really

was White really that good of a receiver until Atlanta picked up a QB that could get him the ball?

Henne has a big arm and Ginn has great deep speed, right now the safety sits at 15 yards knowing that penne can’t get the ball past that point without some serious arch… so that allows teams to stuff the box and pressure the run….

if Henne QB’s this year, you might be talking about T Ginn/R Brown in the same terms…

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 5, 2009 3:53 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually, White's 2008 numbers were quite similar to 2007

2007: 83 catches for 1,202 yards and 6 TD
2008: 88 catches for 1,382 yards and 7 TD

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 4:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

IIRC

now i’m on dangerous ice here, using the old memory without looking it up, but didn’t white have 2 really big games last year where he put up most of those numbers, where as this year it was a little more even….

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 1:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha, I'm not letting you get away with this one...

In 2007 he had 5 games with at least 100 yards receiving and no game with more than 1 TD. In 2008 he had 7 games with at least 100 yards receiving and on only one occasion had more than 1 TD. For only having Joey Harrington and Byron Leftwich to toss him passes, he did pretty well for himself.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 6, 2009 1:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also.

I completely respect your opinion and share your sentiments about the 2009 season, but I wouldn’t expect too many quarterbacks to have a big day facing the Ravens defense with only Ginn and London as the WR for an important stretch of the game.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 1:36 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree man

Not many guys will have a good day against the Ravens D. Don’t get me wrong I appreciate all that Chad done for us this year. Also I understand he had a bad game.

All I’m saying if the man had a bad game, say it, don’t make excuses for him. As for next season, I’m ready to keep my eye on the goal of rebuilding is all.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen, ebuilding will be awesome.

I love all aspects of it. The scouting, the drafting, the FAs, all of it. I do believe, however, that the incorporation of Chad Pennington onto our team, regardless of what happened today, was and will continue to be an integral part of that rebuilding process. This isn’t just me blowing smoke either, because it comes from the players themselves. The coach-on-the-field type of role that Chad took on in 2008, not to mention the countless hours of preparation and mentoring that we were shut out from, should hopefully reap plentiful benefits in the future. I mean, who doesn’t want a quarterback with Chad Henne-type physical traits (on top of the gutsy leadership he showed at Michigan) tutored by someone with Pennington’s work ethic and knack for the game?

I understand if you don’t buy into the whole “CP10 as Our Saviour” talk, but he was exactly what this franchise needed coming off of a dismal 1-15 campaign: veteran leadership, skill, work ethic.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 1:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha, I meant rebuilding, not "electronic building" in my title :-p

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 1:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but he was exactly what this franchise needed coming off of a dismal 1-15 campaign: veteran leadership, skill, work ethic.

yes CP-10.

But he is not the starting QB this team needs moving foward.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 2:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'll be interesting to see how our games for 2009 are ordered.

I’m going to guess that Pennington will win the open QB competition next training camp (though I would not be opposed at all to Henne, or even Beck for that matter winning if they prove they are worthy of leading the team) and start going into the season. It would be nice if there was stretch of games to perhaps, ease one of the youngsters into the starting lineup.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 2:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

But you don’t make that move unless you KNOW you’re improving. Penny isn’t Harrington or Lemon or some other dog QB who you get stuck with. He’s a legitimate NFL starting quarterback, and if you’re going to move on, you better be moving onto a potential elite level QB.

Ruling out the top tier elite QB’s that aren’t available, who would you rather have? Flacco? Campbell? Romo? Cutler? Farve? None of these guys did any better than Penny.

If you’re going to advocate getting a new QB, come to the table with some suggestions.

by tenaciouslee on Jan 5, 2009 6:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neo

You’ve provided a dissenting opinion on the Phinsider for a while now, often times during live game threads and on subjects with near unanimous agreement from the rest of the community. This rubs many people the wrong way, but I find the discussion intriguing and helpful for expanding our appreciation of the team. Thus, I have rec’d this post in hopes of hearing others’ opinions on your decidedly minority take on Pennington. I hope you will not get discouraged when you are inevitably attacked for your beliefs.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 1:59 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you for your kind words

and you can ask Matty I, I’ve been doing this a while and I don’t get discouraged.-)

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 2:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also

Based on your current sig, I wouldn’t judge a stranger for mistaking you as a Jets fan.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 2:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No worries.

Although… looking at your user profile, I would imagine we would get into further arguments regarding baseball and college basketball… :-p

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 2:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no worries

I’m not as passionate about those sports as I am about my Fins.-)

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 2:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haha hokay.

I won’t feel the urge to compare starting rotations with you then.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 2:09 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll put it this way

you don’t rebuild around a 30+ QB. It doesn’t matter who he is. It doesn’t. Look back to the beginning of the season, and remember what we all said we needed. A care-taker. Somebody to mentor our future QB (Henne) and help us develop the various young players we have on our offense (Long, Thomas, Ginn, Bess, etc.). Pennington comes in, and he was EXACTLY that. He was everything we wanted out of this year’s QB, and then some. But, and I’m sure this is exactlly how Neo feels, we can’t forget what the ultimate goal was when Parcells first got here: to build a perennial contender. And I just don’t think, being completely realistic, that Pennington is a franchise QB FOR THE NEXT DECADE. And I think that’s the most important thing to remember this offseason, is that one magical season wasn’t what we all signed up for when we ordered the “Parcells Architect Kit.” We want to be a powerhouse, filled with young talent, that can own the AFC for the next 10 years.

So remember that when we don’t go after a high-priced FA to fix the secondary, or draft heavy on heavy guys again this year, or the roster continues to have very few ‘big’ names on it. We’re not building this team around Pennington for success next season, and then a fizzle. The Jets did that this year, took quite a few FA’s that we wanted, as fans(Faneca, Pace) and went for broke. Now, they’re at stage 1 of rebuilding. I don’t want that. I dealt with that for this entire decade. I want this team to be built around our future QB and become a powerhouse once again. A team that scares other teams, a team that can pound opponents deep into the playoffs and beyond.

And who do you really envision as the QB of those monstrous Dolphin squads? Personally, I see Henne. So don’t discount what Pennington has done. Not at all. But don’t forget where we’re trying to go.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 5, 2009 2:46 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes sir

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 11:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I just don’t think, being completely realistic, that Pennington is a franchise QB FOR THE NEXT DECADE.

Being completely realistic, he’s not a franchise QB for the next 2 years. Like I’ve said elsethread, if he’s still our starter at the beginning of the 2010 season, something has gone horribly wrong.

by urbino on Jan 5, 2009 10:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

some may call you

negative, but not me… Dead on Neo as usual.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 5, 2009 3:55 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice of you to see my view, my long time friend

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 11:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Negative Neo you are

You bring up some good points BUT no Pennington means not as many victories. I think open competition between CP10 and Henne is a good idea and CP10 would be a good coach.

I think you, like many of us, are sadened by the game and want to blame someone. Blame the O-Line. Did you see Pennington get the protection that Flacco got? Everytime he got picked with the exception of the 2nd Reed INT, he was pressured big time. Watch the tape. If Smiley were here, might be a different story. Blame the offensive cordinator. Poor play calling. Who are the two guys Chad hit all year long? The tight ends.

I say no blame no body. The team lost. Who cares how it happened? You can’t hang it on Chad alone. He has been a force.

I do agree with you about next year. Schedule will be tougher, but this team will be fine.
Thank you for your candor

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 5, 2009 7:10 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe negative neo isn't good

But wounded Neo maybe?

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 5, 2009 7:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PS

I did a fanpost how I would perfer Henne over Pennington before the playoff game. Nothing to do with the playoff game, everything to do with the rebuilding.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nope

To be honest, I’m just not gonna fool myself into thinking we are better than what we are. We outplayed our abilities, exceeded anyones expectations, and had this magical year that every Finfan enjoyed. It was great, now its time to get back to basics. Say what you, Chad had a great year, but a bad day.

Now Its time to move to Henne and the future. Pennington is not the answer for this franchise moving foward.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 11:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well said bud!

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 5, 2009 12:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But you can't just hand Henne the job

Pennington may not be the long-term answer (probably isn’t…we all know that), but if he comes into camp and outplays Henne, then Pennington is our starter in 2009.

by Matty I on Jan 5, 2009 12:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope, agreed.

but if it is close, does the call automatically go with CP?

Like the review rule… call on the field stands without overwhelming visual evidence to overturn?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If its close, I'm thinking they will start Pennington

but they SHOULD start Henne.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 12:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly!

And that will suck big time.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 5, 2009 3:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why should they start Henne if its close?

What if he fails? Then what.

If its close you have to go with Pennington due to experience no?
He did help to win 11 games this year.

On the other side of the coin, guy never pops his cherry if he doesn’t get laid

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 6, 2009 10:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because we know that CP is not the guy that will be with use on down the road.

if we don’t find that guy in the next year or two, we are in the same place we have been since Marino retired.
We need to see Henne play to determine if we need to go get another QB in 2010, right?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 6, 2009 11:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This isn't reall ya discussion

If a younger, second year guy with a stronger arm, and probably a bigger upside can get it close with a 33 yrd old noodle arm vet. You play the younger guy.

And here it is:

Go with Pennington because of experience?

No a rebuilding team doesn’t go with the vet because of experience. A REBUILDING TEAM, which we are btw, goes with the young stud with good potential.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 1:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

I think unless Henne is still a year away from starter material, Pennington gets the nod and we may draft another QB late (a good strategy anyway) to start developing as a backup plan.

I think you have to continue to draft a QB at some point until you KNOW you have a starter and reliable backup. It’s why NE, with All-World Tom Brady, drafted Cassel, Guttierez, and then O’Connell last season.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 1:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And once again how do we know Henne is the guy?

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 6, 2009 1:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henne has proven nothing

other than he looks good in aqua and his arm is strong…if he threw a pick in that drive versus ARZ these freaks would be saying draft a QB 1st rd….\

KNEE JERK FANS! i hate them~!!! These are the EXACT SAME people that said after the ARZ game the season was over…and after the NE game that our season was over…

TAKE A HIKE…there are millions of Phins fans..u dont like it….go pound sand and root for the Falcons

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 1:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Well a little extreme but

yes I agree

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 6, 2009 1:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its not extreme

nobody is holding you down and forcing you to root for the phins…being negative gets you nothing.

“ill just keep my expectations low and…darf…darf…darf….”

get a life….go away

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 1:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think...

Pennington brought this team to 11-5 and now everyone says screw him dump him and all that crap. Get Henne. Like you said everytime we lose, we hear get Henne in there.

Is Pennington done? Not yet, but I think planning for the future is safe, but other than one bad game (that happened at the worst time) what harm has CP10 brought this team?

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 6, 2009 1:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

none

Pennington was PERFECT for this years team. The players needed a leader, and they needed to absolutely limit the mistakes because we didn’t have the firepower to overcome them. We, as fans, needed to be energized about football in Miami. Our WR’s, OL, RB’s needed a steady hand at QB to allow them to continue learning the ropes and developing. Our young QB’s needed a veteran guy to watch and learn all the NFL nuances from.

Pennington was all of that for this team. But come next season, I want Henne to win the job. I don’t want Henne to start just because he’s younger and has a strong arm, I want him to show the coaching staff he’s ready to be the leader of this team and he takes the starting job for his own. If that happens, it will mean we’ve found the guy we can build a franchise around and compete for the next DECADE.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 1:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

If Henne can outplay CP10….after a MVP caliber season…then by all means start him and tell CP10 to kick dirt (cuz if u think he is staying here to mold another QB ur nuts).

Its idiotic….CP10 is the reason we have a game last week. THE REASON.

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

right

and that’s the main issue, Henne has to EARN the job. And the way this coaching staff has operated this year, I don’t think QB position will be any different. Look at how they handled everything else.
FS – Jason Allen has sexy measureables, and it’d be nice to just let him play and see if he’s got it or not, but he got outplayed in camp and in practice, so he sits.
WR – Wilford has a big FA contract and is 6’4, but he doesn’t beat out the other guys, so he sits.

They judge players on performance, not name or pedigree, which is the only way you can do it. If Pennington wins the job, he wins the job, and Henne sits and learns another year. I think as long as Henne continues to progress, I have no problem with Pennington starting another season. But the minute Henne can take that job, it needs to be his, because we need to know he’s the guy for the future.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 2:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're leaving out one very important fact.
FS – Jason Allen has sexy measureables, and it’d be nice to just let him play and see if he’s got it or not, but he got outplayed in camp and in practice, so he sits.
WR – Wilford has a big FA contract and is 6’4, but he doesn’t beat out the other guys, so he sits.

In both of those cases, the other player — the one who won the job — was YOUNG. He had a future. Potential.

That’s just not the case at the QB position for us. Right now, we’ve got Penny, clearly our MVP this year, but old, we’ve got Henne, a big question mark but young, and Beck, an even bigger question mark and not nearly as young.

To me, for a rebuilding team, Henne’s youth and potential have to be a big thumb on the scales.

by urbino on Jan 6, 2009 7:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right about the WR's

but the guy who beat out Jason Allen was older. Renaldo Hill is 30.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 9:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

I didn’t know he was that old. I stand corrected.

by urbino on Jan 6, 2009 9:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't worry bout it

I was surprised as hell when I found out every starter in our secondary was 30+. Thought for sure Bell and Goodman were mid-20’s.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 11:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i understand grooming a future stud

but we arent talking about a Carson Palmer….or anything near a Carson Palmer…we are talking about another hyped….physically talented QB,…that won nothing in college. let him earn his keep. this is the same as saying “Well Joey had a reallly bad game…so let a young guy battle it out with him for the starting job”….its stupid.

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 1:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You haven't seen me praising Henne as a star.

All I’ve said is we’ve got to find out what he is. So if he can play, I think we should play him next season. If the Trifecta like what they see, great, let’s develop him. If they don’t, we know we’ve got to find somebody else. Play Penny the rest of the season.

I’m far from a Henne believer. I just think a rebuilding team can’t continue to play a QB on the back side of his career just because he represents more wins TODAY. A rebuilding team has to think more about TOMORROW.

by urbino on Jan 6, 2009 6:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude! It is not about bashing CP for the game!

This has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PERFORMANCE IN THAT GAME!
He’s going to be 33 going into TC this year. And he already has a history of injury. What’s he got… 2 maybe 3 more years?

He was never brought in to be more than a placeholder.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 6, 2009 7:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are not millions of fans just like me

btw this is not a “knee jerk” reaction, thank you very much.

I posted a article that I was for Henne BEFORE THE PLAYOFF GAME:

Link: http://www.thephinsider.com/2009/1/2/707389/pennington-lovefest-i-m-al

So Rz before you start going off on people I suggest you have for facts straight.

If you feel he needs to “win the job” fine get in line. I feel Pennington shouldn’t be handed the starting job for 2009 like Sparano has already done.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 3:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well said.

and for the record RZ, i think you need to cut back on the diet pills.
You don’t have to agree with someone’s opinion, but try discussing it without freaking out.

As a matter of fact, I don’t see anyone dissing CP for his performance this season, so that’s not really the discussion. The discussion is how do we get to Miami’s franchise QB? MANY people are of the opinion that Chad Pennington is NOT that guy. You might think he is.. fine. I don’t agree with you. I what CP did for us this year that was MUCH MORE VALUABLE THAT GETTING US TO THE PLAYOFFS is provide stability as the rest of this new team started to gel. You can’t fix everything at once, and this season was NOT about fixing the QB spot. It was about fixing the lines. And we still have some work to do there, but we have a solid start.
But the question remains… Who is Miami’s Franchise QB for the future? It ain’t CP. Sooner or later we gotta find out if it’s Henne, and I would rather it was sooner.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 6, 2009 6:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

well said

Since I am now in charge of the Goo Cannon while Mosul is away, I fired my first shot for that comment.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 9:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I shot in the same place

I am a little nervous around Italians with guns…..just so ya know….. : )

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 6, 2009 9:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good

you should be lol

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 9:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm just going to make sure

I’ll stand to the side , if not slightly behind you…..

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 6, 2009 9:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i beg to disagree

about the first part…

As a matter of fact, I don’t see anyone dissing CP for his performance this season, so that’s not really the discussion. The discussion is how do we get to Miami’s franchise QB

i’ve been of the opinion since game one of the preseason that penne is a major drag on the offense and that the running game has suffered because of his weak arm and inability throw the deep ball and outs… i’m not sure the phins played a team this year that didn’t have 8 or 9 in the box almost every non-passing down… and i think miami’s conversion rate on 3rd and 7 or more and the passing percentage in the red zone are further examples of penne’s short comings and the negative effect he has on the offense… i’ve said this ad nauseam for a while and was frequently poo poo’d when i said it would come and bite them once they faced a quality team… what did surprise me was how awful penne was against b-neck ville… i really did expect penne to kind of manage the game and avoid the turnovers and miami would squeak out a 9-6er as flacco would be the one to have the rookie QB numbers… and the 30-3 kind of disaster would come in pittsburgh on the road….

now as to the 2nd part - wow couldn’t disagree more with this

MUCH MORE VALUABLE THAT GETTING US TO THE PLAYOFFS is provide stability as the rest of this new team started to gel

i’m not sure that another 2 years of caretaker U is exactly what i would call stability… yeah he provided some level of veteran leadership, but so did t Green, Pep, Ferret, fiedler and the other 12 carteker dwarfs that have come since marino…. what would actually provide stability for this franchise is a FRANCHISE QB, not a potential franchise QB… Atlanta has one, Baltimore has one, Pittsburgh has one, INDY has one, the Giants etc…. and what do all of these teams have in common besides being serious playoff contenders, yup in the face of adversity and coming off terrible seasons started a rookie QB who revitalized the franchise.

so although I have great respect for this coaching staff, i also fear that they are rooted in the parcells way of playing 50 year old qb’s who will help manage a team but that is it… and the likely fact that we are stuck with an average caretaker Qb for at least another season… my only saving grace is the schedule next year is so burtal that penne’s short comings will be exposed on a weekly basis next year that that maybe by mid season even this staff will have seen enough.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 10:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

CASE CLOSED
my only saving grace is the schedule next year is so burtal that penne’s short comings will be exposed on a weekly basis next year that that maybe by mid season even this staff will have seen enough.

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 10:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF THING THAT MADE ME MAD...

THANK YOU W NY FOR PUTTING THAT SHIT INTO WORDS…

you CAN HAVE YOUR OPINION!! I respect that…I root for them BOTH TO DO WELL….but when you start saying things like the above statement i question ur fanhood and i call shenanigans.

I DRAW THE LINE HERE….i dont backdown..your with what this team puts on the field or take a hike. You think i wanted Beck out there last season? You think I wanted to watch Ray Lucas and Feeley come in here and suck a boatload? NO….but i never said things like that.

Mix this talk with the fact that the guy u wanna shove out the door just had the greatest season a QB has had here in 15 years….and that equals…u get called a circus freak.

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can see how you misunderstand

my statement… but there is nothing in there that is anti dolphins… the reality is that penne is going to struggle next year… you can be a fan/cheerleader/realist/ or even an a hole…. the fins are going to play a much tougher schedule next year and, as a result, penne is going to have a hard time IMHO…. nowhere did i say, i hope the phins lose, at no time did i say i wouldn’t be watching on sunday and getting ticked off like the rest of us where on sunday… just because i’m realistic and maybe not a cheerleader doesnt mean i don’t suffer through the tough times any less.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 10:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

u said

ur only hope was for them to suck and lose and get Henne in the game.

im done with you….your a sick fan and u need medication

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 10:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

reading involve more than

words… learn to think…

i know i’m banging my head against a wall here… but just because i say penne’s short comings will be exposed on a weekly basis doens’t mean i’m hoping the phins lose… there are other players on this team..

and i still don’t understand all of you cheerleaders who would rather stick with a weak armed QB and get pummeled every time they play a quality defense instead of rooting that the strong armed QB that they took as the franchise QB will become the franchise QB.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 11:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another thing

 how bout you go “pound some sand” when someone thinks the opposite of you before really blow a fuse.

Here are some definitions you (a nd a few others) should learn:

Negative: (a.) Denying; implying, containing, or asserting denial, negation or refusal; returning the answer no to an inquiry or request; refusing assent; as, a negative answer; a negative opinion; — opposed to affirmative.

Realistic: Tending to or expressing an awareness of things as they really are: She gave us a realistic appraisal of our chances.

Of or relating to the representation of objects, actions, or social conditions as they actually are.

If you don’t like my constructive criticism and realistic thoughts of our team, then maybe you should leave, go pound sand, or just don’t read my articles.. I was here waaaaaayyyyyyy before you were and probably be here after your gone.

I love your contributions, but you go to the extremes when people say bad things about this team, be it a fan or not. And really need to be more respectful.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 3:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

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by finsxfactor on Jan 6, 2009 3:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ughhh

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 4:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well

at least he has more future than penne…

i’d settle for that… please make it happen!!!

get spielman on the phone, i’m sure he can be talked into give a first rounder for noodle arm…. i’d rather suffer through a 4-12 with beck knowing that maybe he could become the future than the upcomming 6-10er with futureless penne.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 10:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol...omfg...

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 10:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you'd rather lose than win?

that makes no sense to me. You cheer the players that take the field. Thats who you go for, thats the Dolphins. I’d rather haves and druthers are out the window when the ball is kicked off. Maybe thats just me

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 6, 2009 11:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

But it’s the off-season. No balls kicked off until until August. Are we allowed to give our player-personnel druthers during the part of the year when that’s the game being played?

by urbino on Jan 7, 2009 12:54 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

likely should have gone

with Henne at some point this year…. as we reflect back on the season, it’s likely in the future that
this will be the major flaw of the year, that the long term QB issue still hasn’t been adressed, as much as the
henne fans want to believe he is the answer we’ll never know, where as two similar teams atlanta and baltimore know
where they stand going into next year….

and those we think there will be a QB comp next year, forget it, the first half of the year, at a minimum, will be another season of Caretaker U…

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 5, 2009 6:13 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think you could've justified doing it this year.

Because we were in a legitimate playoff race for most of the year, it would’ve been foolish to just insert Henne with no previous starting experience in the later weeks of the season. At some point during the season the “long term” aspects of rebuilding took a back seat to the possibility of winning in the here and now. And how can you argue with that, because at the end of the day playoff opportunities are fleeting and need to be taken advantage of.

I’ll say it again- Flacco and Ryan played on teams whose 2008 versions played to their strengths and allowed them to flourish. If you put Flacco on the Falcons (which looks cool when you write it) he probably doesn’t get to 11 wins.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 6:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

have to disagree

i’ve said it since before camp – the whole focus on this season SHOULD have been on establishing Henne as the undisputed QB for game 1 2009 and anything less than that would be a failure…

i’ve said that starting game 1 of this year Henne should have been playing a la montana’s rookie year… a series/situation/quarter until mid year or so, when there was a very favorable stretch of home games when inserting Henne would have been ideal…

look it takes great strenght as a coach to acknowlege that your QB has what it takes to get a team to the playoff but doesn’t have the genetics to win in the playoffs… that nut in denver when way out on a limb when he dumped plunger for Cutler…
yeah, cutlers has been erratic to say the least but at least he has the talent to lead a team to a super bowl something neither plummer or pennington have… nothing against either QB, they are fin average QB’s who can manage a regular season game but can’t make the needed throws to losen up tough defenses.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 1:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

I still disagree.

Why can’t “establishing Henne as the undisputed QB for game 1 2009” have meant letting him ride the pine for the entire 2008 season? Carson Palmer did it, Tom Brady did it, and Aaron Rodgers did it for three years! If Henne turns out to be the next Peyton Manning or Joe Montana, then yes, I’ll apologize and say he should’ve been out there from day one. Otherwise, it made sense for him to take soak everything up like a happy sponge on the sideline with a clipboard observing Pennington.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 6, 2009 1:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matty I know your not gonna like this

but I think the should do what the Bengals did with Carson Pamer. Palmer sat his 1st season, Kitna played and played well, comeback player of the year I believe. The Bengals still handed over the reigns to Palmer to start his 2nd year.

What are we gonna do next year? Wait till we are out the playoffs to start turning to 2010 and waste another year of our lives, clearly knowing where Pennington’s limitations lie?

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 1:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This year wasn't a failure

by any stretch, because alot of other things were solved. We saw potential in Ginn, and we know what he CAN do. We found 2 good slot receivers. We found a bookend LT. We’re only one piece away from a very young and very good DL. Our RB position is set for the next couple years, until we replace Ricky.

However, I think it’s time to get Henne in there and start moving on the road towards a Dynasty. I love Pennington for what he did this year, and both young QB’s always say how much he’s helped thim this season, but there’s no room to be sentimental in the NFL. If Henne truly is the future, I want to see him in there this year, building a report with Ginn, getting comfortable with the TE’s, and becoming the leader of this entire team.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 1:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes but can we say its time for Pennington to step down?

He has lead the team to a 11-5 season and you gave him the number one gameball almost on a weekly basis. You can find spots to use Henne. If CP bombs use Henne. But I believe in my heart CP earned the right to start ’09

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 6, 2009 4:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, matty. this season was perfect.

and i am not being sarcastic. we needed CP in there to evaluate and develop the other positions. YOU certainly know how difficult it was last year with no stability at QB. Trent Green might have actually been a good pickup, for the same reason as we picked up CP this year. To provide stability at the position as we tried to evaluate and develop a young team. We certainly did not want to throw Henne in there to get killed behind a new line. CP had the experience we needed. But NONE of us really expected to get to the SB this year when the season began. We expected the lines to be better, and probably not a lot more, right?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 6, 2009 7:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I EXPECTED us to be in the SB this year ; )

Why you said that LCFF?

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 7, 2009 8:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually yes

the big question mark that has hung over this franchise since before marino retired is ‘who will lead this franchise to their next championship’… and a 6-10 season in retrospect while establishing a new franshise QB would have been far more beneficial to the franchise than the 11-5 finish against below average teams missing their star players… and i’m not so sure the team with Henne wouldn’t have had a serious run at the playoffs….

I still ask – what is the big question heading into next year… who is the QB that will lead the team to their next championship… and what happens if Henne/Beck bomb…. how many more season must we wait…

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 10:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like your focus on getting the rebuild done, but...

I disagree about this season. Coming out of last season, this team needed a lot of things. Nearly everything.

One of those things was a franchise QB. Another one was a sense of a) direction, and b) that they were all moving in that direction as a team. Another was c) a winning mentality.

I think Pennington provided a, b, and c on the field, where the Trifecta couldn’t. I think, thanks in large part to Penny, we come out of this season a MUCH stronger team mentally.

We still don’t know who our QB of the future is, true. And if we’d had a young stud QB ready to go this year, it may have been the right thing to do to go ahead and run him out there, and let the whole team try to develop a, b, and c together. That’s one of those things that either goes just unbelievably great, or it’s so big a disaster that it sets you back 3 years. Tough call, either way.

But we didn’t have a young stud QB ready to go this year. We did have Penny. So I think the staff did the right thing by addressing the things they could address this year, and letting the QB question wait a year while Henne gets a season to learn. I think we had 1 year to burn on the QB front, if it improved us on the attitude/mentality front.

I’m not at all sure we have 2 years to burn, though, and I’m 100% sure we don’t have 3.

by urbino on Jan 6, 2009 10:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well one could argue that

Atlanta was in much greater need of stability, a sense of direction as a team, and a winning mentality…
and about 4 games in they had all of those AND had a franchise QB….

Baltimore had a train wreck going in camp at QB and looked to be heading down the tube when they settled on putting a kid in who didn’t exactly start 4 years at a major division I football program…

so we can say that penne provided those things, to an extent, but we certainly can not say that Henne wouldn’t have, had he been given the chance.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 10:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't say Henne wouldn't have.

I said it’s a high-risk proposition, especially when you’ve got a Pennington on the roster. And most coaches like to give a rookie QB a year on the sidelines, anyway.

I don’t think Baltimore had at all the same situation as us. They had a very veteran defense that already had the right attitude and mentality, and a track record of providing leadership.

by urbino on Jan 7, 2009 12:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

don’t think i ever felt that you were saying Henne was incapable of that…

agreed baltimore wasn’t the same situation (although no teams ever really are) but they had their own issues, a new staff, zero QB’s going into the season…. the coaching staff’s plans shelved and Flacco was their only option… so for me it’s a perfect example of what could have been, since it’s hard to imagine anyone but Flacco at the helm for a number of years now…. but right before kick off there were a lot of question…

an lets not forget the penne lead the team to a 2-4 start and had the team not bushwacked NE, it’s very likely that Henne would have started this year… so was their identiy really penne pulling everything together or a good stretch against some rather poor teams all of who were missing a key player or two?

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 7, 2009 1:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neo, you are OK in my book!

Understood all your points. The thing that have to be re-think is “The went”
Went is the best time to star Henne?
Should we star Henne this year? or wait another year. I know this are the questions that many fans have & i would bet you that, even the coaches has the same questions. We will see.

Ps Remember that went parcel went to the other teams, he ALWAYS started vet QB’s, at the end, the younger QB follow suit. So Henne’s time is around the corner, lets wait till the corner arrives

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 5, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yea

I’m guessing I hoping, our coaches don’t fall in love with the guy because of what he did last year and just give the job to Pennington. I don’t think they will. But I’m also hoping Henne is ready and takes the job from Pennington, but sadly I think Henne would need the national guard to get Pennington out of the starting QB role, which is not good for the Miami Dolphins.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 11:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trust the coaches

They will play the QB who gives them the best chance of winning. If Henne outplays Pennington in camp, he’ll start.

by Matty I on Jan 5, 2009 12:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no chance

they will give Henne the Cameron lip service about T Green, err penne having to win the job, but there is no way baring some unforseen event, that anyone but penne will start the year… so just chalk up another season of no verifiable progress on the QB issue that has plagued the franchise the last 10 years or so.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 5, 2009 6:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...

… are you not watching next year? I think Parcells will have something to say about our quarterback situation next season, possibly publicly. There’s no way that he will settle for one-and-done, even if it was Pennington leading the team.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 7:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i won't be happy

but i’ll watch… i lived through the wanny years and there is nothing worse than knowing you have the biggest idiot coaching your team…. and this coaching staff is far better than that… i’ll just continue to have low expectations and hope that at some point penne will have another game like sunday’s and the coaches will drop Henne in, he’ll pull a sage – and we’ll never see penne in a dolphins uni again…. (they’ll call spielman the next day and get minn. 2nd in 2010 for him)…. a boy can dream can’t he.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 1:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so what do you do

hope that an average weak armed caretaker metamorphosis into a playoff caliber QB.

Penne will never lead anyteam to the superbowl… and i just don’t understand people who are content with mediocrity.

maybe you should be rooting that ross replaces parcells with king peter.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 10:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did you just attempt a Matty I Slap?

u living in ny….very fitting

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 10:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

i’m in NY – and that is not NJ… so put one on my side of the board….

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 10:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the wrong standard, IMHO.

Henne shouldn’t have to outplay Pennington in camp to get the starting job. He should get the starting job unless he demonstrates during camp that, if he plays, he’s just going to get himself killed, demoralize his teammates and himself. (Which is quite possible, given the schedule we’ve got next year.)

Pennington should be our backstop if Henne simply can’t play yet. Pennington should play if our O-line doesn’t improve enough to provide reasonable protection against the kind of defenses we’ll face next season.

by urbino on Jan 5, 2009 10:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no way

you want to just hand the starting job to a player?

HELL NO

The best players will play. If Henne can’t beat out Pennington to start the year, then Pennington is our QB. And if the season then goes south, Henne will get his chance.

by Matty I on Jan 5, 2009 11:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

exactly

no coddling anybody. Best player plays, no matter who he is.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 12:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's no future with Pennington.

We know that. It’s 100% guaranteed. He’s not good enough to get us any further than he did this year, and at 33, he’s only going to go downhill from here.

Henne might be the future. We need to find out. So unless he just can’t play, he should play.

One problem with having a year like this one is it tends make people short-sighted. This year was not about this year: it was about the future. We needed an experienced leader to start teaching this team how it’s done. Pennington gave us that. If he’s willing to continue doing it next year from the sidelines, that’s great.

But next year is not about next year: it’s about 2010 and the years after that. Otherwise, we’re right back into the pattern we’ve been in for . . . well, since Shula retired. Play the guy you need to play for the future, not the guy who’s better right now but has no future.

by urbino on Jan 6, 2009 12:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

home run!!!

urby this is the best – feels like i’ve been saying this for the last 24 months….

But next year is not about next year: it’s about 2010 and the years after that. Otherwise, we’re right back into the pattern we’ve been in for . . . well, since Shula retired. Play the guy you need to play for the future, not the guy who’s better right now but has no future.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 1:30 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

totally agree.

one way or another, we have to have a pretty damn good idea of what Henne can do by the end of next season.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 6, 2009 3:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree with this comment

But I think if its neck to neck, you give CP the start

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 6, 2009 4:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i disagree.

why would you do that?
If they are close, develop your future, man! DO YOU believe Chad Pennington is going to be playing at 35? 36? 40?
He’ll be 33 when TC starts this year.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 6, 2009 7:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Henne can learn from him for one more year

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 7, 2009 6:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are some STRONG indications that this admin will have a true OPEN competition for QB

I believe that the best quarterback will play, whether Penne or Henne.
Here’s why:
1. In blowout games either way, the coaching staff has been very willing to bring Henne in to get him game experience.
This shows that they see Henne as the future.
2. The use of the Wildcat, even with formations where Pennington was NOT IN shows they understand Pennington’s shortcomings and are not afraid to gameplan around him.
3. If the coaching staff keeps building a dominating defense, it will be to their advantage to have a mistake-free game manager at the helm. This is precisely what Pennington WAS NOT on the fateful playoff game. He’s a great player, but also prone to trying to hard to make a play uncharacteristically. I believe that if Pennington played like the Pennington of old on Sunday, the Fins come out with a win.
4. IF Henne is forced to beat out Pennington, instead of just being handed the job (like in Arizona with Leinhart/Warner), then we develop a QB with a gun for an arm, but who takes good care of the ball…that’s a GOOD thing (somewhat like the Anti-Farve).

by DolphDallas on Jan 5, 2009 12:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm just thinking about what Leftcoast

posted earlier, if its close who will they go with Pennington or Henne?

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 12:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really - begging a challenge of your memory

but what games did they really consider putting Henne in?
IIRC he played in about 1 quarter of a game… i know sparano mentioned putting him in at the end of the baltimore game but that hardly counts as actually getting in the game?

i’d wager matty’s house that there will only be a cameron competion at QB next year…

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 5, 2009 6:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

without pennington, we are not afc east champions or in the playoffs…i think pennington deserves all the credit given to him that he recieves. he has pulled this team together and brought veteran leadership in close games on the road. that should not be over looked. so i disagree with your post

-Dolfan 4 Life-

by ATutts on Jan 5, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Neo is not discounting what Pennington did in 2008...

… but rather, is concerned with his role for 2009, which is a legitimate opinion. Pennington was a surefire fit for the Dolphins this year, providing the veteran presences this team needed to establish some sort of winning atmosphere coming off of the dismal 2007 campaign, but moving forward the team needs to seriously consider a process to hand over the reigns to one of our youngsters.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 11:15 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think he is kissing ass at all

Maybe we’re not AFC East Champs or even make the playoffs. But who is to say Henne couldn’t do what Ryan and Flacco did this year?

he has pulled this team together and brought veteran leadership in close games on the road.

So basically Pennington did what a rookie QB was able to do in Atlanta.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 5, 2009 1:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bro

Daniel (and Neo, for that matter) is right in this case. 08 is over now. Fun ride, the most enjoyable Dolphins season for me ever. Between finding this blog, the amazing turnaround, and the potential for so much success in the future, 08 was the best season I can remember.

But it’s time to move on to next year. We have guys that need new contracts, or to be let go. FA will be coming soon. The Draft will be a HUGE part of our continued rebuilding. And there isn’t a more important question going into the offseason than “Is Henne ready to be a starter?” Because we need to know that we can build this team around HIM. Do you honestly see Pennington as the LONG-TERM answer at starting QB? I don’t. I see him being a very reliable backup over the next few years and mentor to Henne as he grows into a good QB. I’ve already stated I think Pennington will stay on here and retire a Dolphin, and catch on as QB coach, because I think by that time David Lee will be ready to step into Dan Henning’s position.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 5, 2009 1:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You stop being a jerk.

…jerk.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 2:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The name calling HAS to STOP!!

Daniel52, i know you are responding, so i understand. But people, stop calling name, we are all Dolphins fans and this is not the time for fights, we are going through a lot, but by doing this, it make it a lot more dificult.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 5, 2009 3:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

i think this is a tough day on all of us, though we are forging forward w/ heart, taking the next step by debating long term plans… just bear in mind, that, be us men or mice, we are hurting today… it’s difficult for me to be rational or optimistic about anything at the moment…. i applaud those of you who have transcended it to write columns yesterday and today… i don’t know if i could have….now, my wife and kids may think i’m crazy for feeling it like this, but i think ya’ll understand how it is, even if we aren’t gonna go whining and crying about it… just try and keep things civil amongst bro’s… friendships are forged in the trenches and heat of battle…. today, the battle is only to get through to the other side of this, because, afc champions or not, we took one to the heart yesterday… we’ll get around to the planning stages, and perhaps today we’ll start…. [may as well, beats the hell outta crying over it]…… as fans, i like to think we mirror the ‘heart’ our team has showed this year…. as Aleta stated, ‘we are all Dolphin fans’ here, not to mention ‘Phinsider fans’, which is the very best class of people in my opinion….just understand that we are all volatile today, so try not to ‘stir it up’ so to speak, if it can be avoided at all…its a rough day.

"I'm not near as deep and complicated as people think" ~Mike Tyson~

by Krab on Jan 5, 2009 6:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We do it cause it's easy...

Most of the time, people do and say things that have the least resistance. Like, it’s easy to praise Chad when we’re winning and it’s easy to slap him around when we loose. Unfortunately, the QB does get the horahs and the punishment.

Chad was a blessing for all the reasons stated 1,000 times. And he is the guy who can get you to the playoffs. But he IS NOT the guy to get you over the hump, unless you have an A+ team. We always see mediocre QBs win Superbowls who have great teams, but never do it alone, infact we’ve seen great QBs always struggle on poor teams.

There were 5 games this year in which I wish Henne (or someone else) was in there, only b/c I knew exactly what we’d get out of Chad and it is not enough to “dink and dunk” with the lack of receiving talent we have. NE in my opinon is still a better team and to beat them again, we better come up with a new “mystery” formation. This is a team we need to get down the field on and likely have to come from behind…not a good fit for Chad. Also, once we got behind Arizona, I cringed to watch Chad throw up so much. Lastly, there is the two games against BAL. Chad, as well as most of the offense, played with hesitation and what appeared to be intimidation. After a failed shot down the field, Chad would shell up… I watched him run away when the there was no pressure, just assuming he was about to get nailed. (Shame on the oline) There were some definate confidence issues out there, understandable against BAL’s D.

I suppose, in short, Chad is the answer today and we’ll not know if he is tomorrow unless the team greatly improves around him. He’s a 10-6, 11-5 QB with decent talent. I truly beleive that much of the play calling and even the advent of the wildcat were implemented to “cover-up” Chad’s deficiencies. Every QB has em’ but I just can’t stomach “giving up” on 3rd and longs or keeping good defenses on their heels. It’s these type of games, for us, against playoff claiber teams, that we need a QB who can keep defenses “honest”. Otherwise, they’re pinning back the ears and comin’ for us…

Thanks Chad, you were great. Hopefully we can build enough around you for next year and go 12-4 and deep into playoffs. Superbowl home-game sounds nice!

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

by NJDolphan68 on Jan 5, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well put and well said NJ

"We pride ourselves on playing smart, tough, disiplined football" Chad Pennington 12/28/08

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 5, 2009 12:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Geesh

really?

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 5, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey Rzayo

scanning the post I saw about your day…..just want to say that sucks and I feel for you. This is for others as well here, but it was really cool knowing all the Phinsiders were at the game in one of the biggest turnouts and loudest crowds we’ve had there in quite sometime. Wish it would have went better for you and your group. Btw……how were the burgers? : )

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by HuskerDolphin on Jan 5, 2009 12:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the tailgating was a GREAT TIME

all was not lost yesterday….the ticket thing got messed up..some friends got seperated for the game..but all was well. the burgers came out great…i griled it up…good adult beverages too lol

just didnt come to play….it hurts now…but its not like im done with this site. haha…far from it. i think we will all take a lil “football vacation”…then get back to work on scouting the draft and free agents. I had a good idea of what i want already….so im hoping they agree…1st thing is first…will parcells leave? looks like no….

we need linemen….pass rushers and oline guys like yesterday, Im sorry but Holliday and co. get no rush….ever …against anyone really..our rush this year was Porter..and a surprise guy every week like nathan jones or anderson. Just needs to be more consistant.

i think us getting a wideout is a must..but not just some wideout..a #1. dont add to the mess…we have the slot guy (dbess)….the deep threat (ginn)….the tight ends (fasano/martin)…we need the possession guy who is physical and dominant…(Boldin)

Jake needs some help….Smiley will be back…….the other side we can replace carey….we need to push people around….Ike, Alleman, Carey, Satelle…those guys are backups in my mind,.

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 5, 2009 12:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good call Rz

"Chad Pennington should be MVP"-Woody Paige, Around the Horn 12-18-08

by rangerjae on Jan 5, 2009 12:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rock the I.T.M baby

  Everyone needs a good laugh right now, and you’re just the man!

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 5, 2009 12:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nicky didnt do gameballs yet...

really? i wasnt even sure whether that would make sense….i know its good to laugh…but SO SOON? hard to be funny…ill wait for nicky…but with him its facts…this will be the hardest thing to write ever. haha….probally tomorrow if anything….

its been a pleasure….and dont anyone go anywhere too long…ill post allot more and get discussion going….maybe even some controversial stuff just to get u to listen : )

matty does a terrific job…and its come to where id rather read his stuff over anyone really…thats saying allot. i plan on building on this season myself…i actually learned how to write a article lol…never had done such a thing.

AGAIN…MUCH LOVE GUYS…this has been a real blast…best is yet to come…wait till we have a serious playoff run.

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 5, 2009 2:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

& my friend..

WE WILL HAVE A GREAT PLAYOFF RUN SOON ENOUGHT!!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 5, 2009 3:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol Gameballs is up now

and yes, it was hard to write. I tried to stay upbeat and positive, and look at this season through our original expectations.

I say just go all out in ITM. Anything you have on your mind, just go. This is the final edition of the season, just let it rip. No PC, no censor.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 5, 2009 3:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey buddy, nice post

i tend to agree. we over achieved this year and the thing CP gave us was stability while the team was adjusting to so many new players, at new positions, and with a new plan. But when you go against a D like the Ravens, you have to be able to get the ball deep and you need to be able to get it to guys quick. CP has touch, but I still don’t see the velocity on the outs, and several times this season he has under thrown Ginn on a fly. I think we need to find out this coming year what we have in Henne; otherwise, we could get a couple of years down the line and be pretty much done with “rebuilding”, and still looking for that long term answer at QB.
And you GOTTA know Henne will be chomping at the bit after seeing Ryan and Flacco jump in and be so successful their rookie seasons. :)

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 5, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Logged In For This!

Well….Many times I click on the Phin and don’t log in..Just read everbody’s post..energize my Dolphin Karma and I am off with a full belly..back to my busy ass life. The one thing I love is that everyone on this site is very opinionated..which makes this site work and increases the testosterone..which in turn..makes the Balls Bigger.Big Balls are a good thing. My wife loves my Big Balls as I like to lay them on her forehead when she is peacefully sleeping and then scream..I’m Blind..I’m Blind…..but enough about me.
Logged in to give Props to NJDolphan68….Good Post. No matter how you feel about CP his post was about as accurate as it gets…..If you can’t find summation in his post..you may have missed a few games this year. I Like Chad and his play this year has been above above my expectations …..I think we can go deeper in the playoffs with him but NOT our team. We are several big playmakers away from being a dominant team. Great..we have some stability at quarterback..now lets go fill some bigger holes. WR,Safety,..on and on…..Rebuilding is a project..winning is a benefit.
We are a hundred miles away from where we were last year and the main thing that our team has learned this year is “What it feels like to WIN”
Proud to be a Dolphan!
Beafea

by beafea on Jan 5, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Fantastic post

 and to me, you are one funny sonovabitch! I mean that in the best of ways. I wish to God you had more time to post, because when you do, its ALWAYS a great read! You’re one of my faves Befea! And what you said is spot on. Keep the post going when you can…….and, always, always teabag a Bronco fan! LOL

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by HuskerDolphin on Jan 5, 2009 4:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nothing wrong with big ball.... unless of course.....

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

by NJDolphan68 on Jan 5, 2009 4:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow.........

 Looks like Bilichek needs to get laid

Miami Dolphins 2008 AFC East Divison Champions

by HuskerDolphin on Jan 5, 2009 5:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's Thomas Jones..

waiting for his Jets AFC East Championship… hang in there big fella, maybe next year :)

"I never met a man I didn't want to fight"
Lyle Alzado

by NJDolphan68 on Jan 5, 2009 5:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

you need to post more………..you are hilarious!

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by HuskerDolphin on Jan 5, 2009 5:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i believe in john beck and kenny britt

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Check it out.

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by finsxfactor on Jan 5, 2009 5:21 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

problem is

if henne does get the job, its simply disrespectful for the MVP runner up in a sense.

which comes back to the “look what he did for us. But wait it wasn’t only him” Its quite a conumdrum

by kazam92 on Jan 5, 2009 10:12 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A franchise shouldn't be worrying about not hurting players feelings.

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 5, 2009 10:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why not

brett favre would have been benched by green bay back in 05 (he threw like 30 INTs no?)

by kazam92 on Jan 6, 2009 5:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's true

gonna be a tough call for the coaches, but I think they’ll make the right call, and I doubt that either QB is bitter if they other wins the job.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 5, 2009 10:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

guess you don't know much

about penne’s history in NY….

when he lost the job that whole nice guy mentoring thing kind of went away….
talk to K Clem about what he thinks of chad…

now i’m not saying he’s TO bad, but he aint no hallowed saint that you want to make him out to be either.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 1:35 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he got upset when the Jets fans cheered his leg injury at Giants Stadium against the Patriots early in the season...

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 6, 2009 1:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah that is one of

those classic Jet’s fan moments - aha the depravity, the insanity, and the total lack of humanity…

makes your dark side yearn for everlasting hell for those people.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 1:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I was Pennington I'd be pissed off about being benched for Clemens

Pennington stuck by the franchise for like 8 years through a bunch of shit and was benched for the lesser player, I know I would be pissed off.

by cbdolphin on Jan 6, 2009 2:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wel through all that

crap the jets continue to pay him… they never dumped him like they could have….

plus what does that have to do with him treating Clemens like crap and dividing the team against him…
sure penne could have a grip against the jets org but that doesn’t justify being a bad team mate to the kid.

but all i’m saying is penne isn’t a saint and history says he isn’t such a good mentor once the starting table turns…
we’ll see what happens around here, but it’s likely moot since we’ll be stuck with penne starting for at least another half season.

by W NY Fins Fan on Jan 6, 2009 2:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe Celmens was just too stupid to realize that he has a good shot at learning from one of the best?

I watched him at Oregon, and there is no way in hell I would have ever said he should be pegged as the QB of the future for anyone

by cbdolphin on Jan 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His play in the playoffs

 was direspectful to his teammates and us fans.

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 3:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok, that's a little silly.

I don’t think you can call giving it your all (regardless of how good that might be) “disrespectful.”

"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." - Theodore Roosevelt

by Daniel52 on Jan 6, 2009 3:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea that one went a bit overboard. /

O well

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its a joke...

is anyone saying CP10 is the future? yes. does the future include next year still? yes.

Henne will get a chance….why rush a average college qb into the NFL? he needs work…thats why he was a 2nd rd pick…if he was ready he would have been taken after Ryan or Flacco soonafter.

this year he learned how a team is lead..next year he can show some skills in mop up duty…or at the end of the season if we suck.

next yr we improve the lines….and CP10 win win us another divison and a few playoff games

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 3:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

at the end of the day i just want to win

joinin in this pissing contest with you guys isnt wise so im just gonna let it be

if we win division again next year.. i wouldnt even care if carrottop is the one throwin the ball

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by finsxfactor on Jan 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"next year he can show some skills in mop up duty…or at the end of the season if we suck"

that’s what they said about this year, and now how much have we gotten to so him play? So you do the same thing next year… CP plays, Henne doesn’t, and we are good but not good enough… again. And we still know nothing about who our franchise QB is going to be. Then CP retires the following year (because now he is 35, and his shoulder is going again). Is that good enough for you?

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 6, 2009 7:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yup

try reading some of your posts

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

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by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 3:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whats he gonna do?

Throw consective INTs..Maybe a pic 6? how bout 4ints in less than 2 qtrs? What was wrong with him sitting a series and gathering his thoughts?

I want the Dolphins to win, and I don’t care who is playing to help them win. When a guy throws 4 ints in 2 qtrs he is hurting my team and maybe needs to sit a series. Not 1 guy is above the team. NOT ONE.

-Neo Jan. 4 1009

by Neo on Jan 6, 2009 3:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i didnt want to bench him

but i think after the 4th pick we should have given HENNE 1 series…whats the worse that could have happend? he scores a td?

pennington has been phenominal ALL YEAr…YES ALL YEAr and if hes having a bad game …eh hes having a bad game…gotta let someone else try atleast just for a little bit

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by finsxfactor on Jan 6, 2009 4:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its the playoffs...

he is a rookie with 8 plays under his belt…their DEFENSE IS SUPERHUMAN. jesus christ this is moronic..

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i gotta agree here

CP10 is what got us here. bad game or not, its best we stick to what got us into the playoffs. its not fair to throw henne into that atmosphere after 8 plays as RZ said

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by el presidente 00 on Jan 6, 2009 4:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe it was just me wanting to see something new

but eh…no matter how he played on sunday

it is NOT going to take away from what he gave to us all season

poise, consistent play..with boosts of leadership and influence

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by finsxfactor on Jan 6, 2009 4:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree here... it would not have hurt to put him in, score wise

but i think you ride the horse that brought ya… we had a chance until close to the end of the game. CP was the best chance to do something at that point.

-LCFF

by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 6, 2009 7:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Then what happens if he comes in and plays like shit?

He then has 0 confidence going into next year, and confidence is something you need at QB. They played the cards right this year and they will play them right again next year.

If they decide to start Pennington good for the Dolphins, if not, Good for the Dolphins.

There still is a few positives about benching Henne if they feel he isn’t ready.

The team around him will be ALOT better, making his transition easier.
He will have yet another year of learning the game and getting minutes when he can.
He gets to learn from one of the most cerebral QB’s and analyze his game for another year.

History shows that both methods have worked in the past, we do not see everything and we do not get to watch practices. I’m going to trust what the coaching staff does because they have given me no reason not to trust them. They will do what the feel is best for the LONG TERM DEVELOPEMENT for the team and they will handle the QB situation accordingly.

Sit back, relax and enjoy the show people. IT HAS JUST BEGUN!!

by cbdolphin on Jan 9, 2009 11:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And despite the 4 picks, CP was driving back at the beg of the 4th

Ted Ginn dropped the ball
So I guess we should bench him too?

And remember when Bess fell down, we should bench him

And when Cobbs looked like he was going to run but he slipped. Guess what grab some bench?

That’s the rationale here?

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by rangerjae on Jan 7, 2009 6:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no its not.

just take a second and think about what you just compared

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by finsxfactor on Jan 7, 2009 12:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know

But that’s the direction I felt like we were going into

I’m with Rz on some of his comments

I think everyone just is still shellshocked by Sunday

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by rangerjae on Jan 7, 2009 1:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SLAP? idk

rz dont let him do this! RETURN FIRE! (lol im doin what nicky usually does—> instigate)

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by finsxfactor on Jan 6, 2009 3:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

I do it during pointless arguments though..

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 4:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ur a circus freak

“worlds tallest midget”

thats u

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by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 4:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't mess

I’ll flip your bandwagon and set it on fire.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 4:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"John Beck bro"

"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"

by Rzayo24 on Jan 6, 2009 4:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've already flipped that one

finsx is dragging it’s remains around still trying to get people to jump on.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 6, 2009 4:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its

john beck is our qb bro

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by finsxfactor on Jan 6, 2009 4:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply