get yer ass in Miami sir!!

I’d love to keep Crowder, but I’d also love to have Dansby. Can we have both??

you want to look tougher, go Karlos.

the people who you contractually compared channing to are much older on average:

bradie james is 28
urlacher is 30
fletcher is 33
and pierce is 30

Meanwhile channing is only 25 and we would be signing him right before he goes into the prime of his career. the other players you mentioned were likely at or already past their peaks. also consider those contracts were signed years ago and it seems like each year free agency becomes more and more expensive.

and while id say hes the worst of the four free agents you mentioned id say theyre all somewhat close (however he is again the youngest of this group, but only by about 2 or 3 years). I agree we shouldnt go splurge on channing if we can get dansby for not a ridiculous amount more but i also wouldnt mind us spending a little more on channing than you suggested. maybe low end 5 year 25 mil and high 28 or 30?

Ok its nice to say Bart Scott, Karlos Dansby, etc etc… but I gurantee other teams are taking a good look at these guys too. Ok, so you address the need in the draft, do you really want to rely on a rookie to be the starter?

The Rookie could be great, the Fins could get Dansby or Scott, (hope Dansby) but right now we all know that we are not taken a step back with Channing. I do not think he should get what he is asking for, but I hope he can stay.

Ideal situation would hope Crowder relizes he is not hot $h*t and signs for what he is worth, and the Fins get Dansby

…from a defensive philosophy – and even physical skills standpoint.

Farrior, of course, is a full foot length better than Crowder (especially considering his stats are better than Crowder’s and he plays on a team of Pro Bowlers).

Farrior, by the way, is on a 5-year 16.5 million contract. The guy likes football and playing for a winner, so he might be an exception.

I say let Crowder walk if he wants more than 20 million. I’m confident this bunch can find a Mike in the draft. Let alone free agency and draft.

 are worth 5 million dollars alone.

Perhaps they could work that into his contract as a bonus.

That really depends on the team, Dolphins or otherwise, and it depends on how his skills are utilized. Too many teams try and fit the square peg in the round hole.
3-4 backers are very unique and generally fit the coordinators scheme, bc no two 3-4s are really alike. The middle backer in the 4-3 has one simple assignment= Plug the holes and don’t let anything by you. In a 3-4 it’s different. The inside guys are “hybrids” and even the best outside guys get the label “joker” because the offense never knows what their doing.

We know what Crowder can and can’t do by now, but does he even fit in to Pasqualoni’s schemes? Porter is a passrusher and Akin is a true middle backer, Crowder and Torbor are very similar. Crowder is not great at the point of attack and has had trouble covering backs out of the backfield. So what is his real worth to our defense? Does Pasq need a better run stuffer, then a guy like Akin’s your man.

You can’t compare Crowder’s value to other player’s either. Though their position is the same on paper it is very different per that team’s schemes.
Urlacher: is not great at the point of attack and better served on the outside, b/c of hi sideline to sideline speed he can cover the whole middle. To make him more valuable in the middle, CHI invests heavily on protecting him with 2 gap DTs and having Briggs manhandle TEs.
Fletcher: much like Urlacher, fletcher is speedy, but is protected mostly b/c of his size. He can not see through 6-5" guards so the scheme is to keep him free
James: He is a prototype 3-4 middle backer. Great penetration when necessary, decent rush skills and great at the point of attack. He can man up on a guard.
Pierce: Perhaps the best match physically to Crowder. He gets a big contract b/c he is a team leader and also because he plays every down. He is a hydrid 3-4 and nickle LB who is versitle.

I like Crowder, but not as an elite LB, he still has a lot to prove. I didn’t see the improvement I had hoped for this year, and I’m not sure it had everything to do with his injury. We won’t miss him too much with Akin and Torbor in the middle, so that tells me his team worth might not be as high as we think. Since we don’t know who Pasqu wants to USE him, this arguement is speculative to a fault.

Lastly, the production of 3-4 middle backers is also very subjective. Stats don’t tell the whole story. Protected LBs like Fletcher should be making 150+ tackles each year. If they’re not …then either they suck or they are not getting the designed help.

I reserve comparing players until they’ve retired, until then , only the coaches can truly tell you what they’re WORTH. In most cases around the league front offices do the grocery shopping as screw up players VALUES or “worth in terms of money”. So do idiot fans who vote for ProBowlers just cause they recognize them from Madden Football. And yes, leadership and chemistry do add value…but these guys are professionals, I don’t need my IT guy chest bumping me, while I’m trying to resolve a client issue..

In my opinon, Crowder is worth $3 million a year or a late 4th round pick. $5 mill may seem appropriate for his “production” but a stretch for what I see his skill sets as. In other words, I think he is replaceable he if he expects Urlacher money.

I had mistaken the previousCrowder post and comments as Crowder bashing. The guy isn’t the best, but he is good. Like I commented on the earlier Crowder post: we should keep him unless he wants to break the bank. Besides, we have too many needs to dump too much on one guy, I do hope that both sides can come to an agreement because there is no garantee that any other LB will play like they did for the old team when they get to Miami and we know that Crowder is solid.

He’s not worth more than a $20 million dollar deal.

he got his ass whooped in a fight against New England and ran like a bitch LMAO.

He’s not worth the 20-25 mil. I think he is more of a 4 mil a year guy. If he thinks hes such a productive LB than add some bonuses for performance. That seems fair. Let him work for his money. if he starts a certain amount of games, gets so many tackles and sacks and makes the pro bowl than he deserves every penny.

with patriots loving to sign dolphins then kicking our ass with them. Making our coaches look stupid. The Jets shopping for Lb’s although Ryan might get a couple to follow him to NY. Like i said very delicate.. A consistent tackler , no forced turnovers, irratic comments to media. IF he chooses the bucs or jags… GREAT ! just dont wanna see him in AFC EAST because he is smart and versitile switching defenses/positions.

I say 4 year 18 million… 4 million Signing Bonus.. HE WAS DRAFTED BY US AND IF WE CAN ACCEPT WHAT RICKY DID TO US >>>CROWDER’s THE POPE

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ones in case i get sad…ones in case I get really sad

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