Numbers Can't Lie: Judging Our Community Projections (Defense Edition)
Last week, in discussing the misguided expectations that some of us have for Ted Ginn, I looked at The Phinsider community projections that were done before this season began.
Generally, when taking the pulse of any team, the aggregated opinions of that team's fan base will almost assuredly tip the scales heavily in the optimistic direction. It's natural for fans to think more highly of their team's players than reality might dictate.
Ginn's projections were a perfect example of this "homer-ism," if you will. So I wanted to go back and look at the other community projections that were done before this season and judge their accuracy.
First up is Channing Crowder. Here is how his projected numbers compare to his actual numbers:
|
Tkl |
Sck |
TFL |
FF |
INT |
PD |
|
|
Projected |
100 |
2.5 |
7 |
2 |
1 |
5 |
|
Actual |
113 |
0 |
3.5 |
1 |
0 |
6 |
The most obvious discrepancy in the numbers is that the community thinks Crowder is more of a playmaker than he really is, which is difficult to say when you are projecting a mere 2.5 sacks and 1 interception, and when that player is expected to play on almost every defensive snap.
Well, Crowder did play on almost every defensive snap, and it should be crystal clear to everyone at this point that he is simply not a playmaker. Expecting 2.5 sacks, 7 tackles for loss, and a pick (which he still has not gotten in four years) was another example of aiming too high. I think some of this inflation has to do with a fan's fear of projecting a player to make absolutely no plays. They reason, "He's due to get a pick this season," or some other nonsense. No, if a player is not a playmaker, they don't magically luck into 2.5 sacks or 7 TFLs.
Still, in regards to tackles, forced fumbles and passes defensed, this projection was pretty accurate.
Next is Joey Porter:
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|
Tkl |
Sck |
TFL |
FF |
INT |
PD |
|
Projected |
77 |
8 |
10 |
3 |
2 |
6 |
|
Actual |
47 |
17.5 |
3 |
4 |
0 |
1 |
Wow. Now that's what I call disconnect.
I think this disconnect is warranted, however. To put it bluntly, Joey Porter became extremely one-dimensional this season, exponentially more so. The advanced metrics for run defense haven't been printed yet, but it's obvious from watching the games and looking at these stats that Porter was a non-factor against the run this year. His mere 47 tackles (aside from his rookie year, a career low) and 3 TFLs bear that out. Whether teams were running away from him or directly at him (like the Ravens did heavily) he couldn't shed his blocker and make the stop. In pass coverage, he was equally as silent. This is the first season since 2003 that he failed to record an interception, and his pass defensed total is also a career low as a starter.
Luckily, he compensated for his complete disappearance against the run by absolutely exploding in the sack department. But which area is more likely to be repeated in the future - his performance against the run or his pass-rushing? That scares me a bit, and it reminds me of Jason Taylor's last year or two here, when he became a real liability against the run while still a force in pressuring the QB.
Moving onto the secondary, we have Yeremiah Bell:
|
Tkl |
Sck |
TFL |
FF |
INT |
PD |
|
|
Projected |
77 |
1.5 |
3 |
2 |
3 |
12 |
|
Actual |
120 |
1 |
1.5 |
3 |
0 |
10 |
Some good, some bad. The community obviously didn't picture Bell being so active on defense in terms of making tackles, although as the safety that is usually dropping into the box against the run, it should have been more apparent that he'd come close to leading the team in tackles, if not doing so outright. Perhaps some community members didn't think he'd last an entire 16 games again? If so, it wouldn't have been an unreasonable thought.
As far as INTs go, this is similar to Crowder. Bell has only one career pick. Projecting three this year was probably aiming too high. Bell is known as a playmaker, and rightfully so, but those impact plays do not include interceptions.
Finally, we have Will Allen:
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|
Tkl |
Sck |
TFL |
FF |
INT |
PD |
|
Projected |
63 |
1.5 |
2 |
1 |
2 |
18 |
|
Actual |
50 |
1 |
0.5 |
1 |
3 |
15 |
There is a curious underestimation of Will Allen among Dolphins fans - sort of a reverse "homer-ism." Either fans don't think that he is as good as he is (which is very good), or they don't understand what makes a good cornerback.
Generally, good cornerbacks will never see enough passes thrown their way to pile up 63 tackles. Tackle statistics are a poor way of measuring a CBs' production. Case in point: Nnamdi Asomugha, the best CB in the game, only had 40 tackles this year. So the community's projection for tackles either means that they don't think very highly of Will Allen or they think he's pretty good but are misreading the correlation between CBs and tackles.
All in all, these defensive projections were a mixed bag. Next week I'll tackle the offensive projections.
But looking back to before this season began, did your statistical expectations for any other defensive players differ or coincide with what they actually produced?
And as always, if you have any suggestions for topics you'd like me to look into for future columns, just let me know in the comments.
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Renaldo Hill
I would be interested in seeing his projections to his actual stats. A man who helped a lot when he was in the game two years ago, and ended up forcing quite a bit of turn overs, ended up being seen as a week point on the Fins. Maybe the injury threw him off but I remeber him being a shining point two years ago.
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by k2oconnor on Jan 22, 2009 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
good job. i was actually thinkin bout a look back...
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by finsxfactor on Jan 22, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
TFL
A great read once again. I am curious about the TFL stat and how we compared to the rest of the league. It seems to me that we lacked real pressure all season and think this is shown by our predictions and what actually happend. We never seemed to be playing in the opposing teams backfield. I may be wrong but I don’t ever remember seeing Porter go into coverage very often .. we lacked other people who could get to the QB and that might be the reason why he had low PD and no INT’s this season.
by markus_13 on Jan 22, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
nice job
especially on porter. One dimensional but a GREAT dimension. He was a glorified end through and through
by kazam92 on Jan 22, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would have liked to see...
Next time, Andre Goodman, he was one our top 5 defensive players this year. He did great this year!
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by Isaiah15 on Jan 22, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
good read
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