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Team Needs: Wide Receiver

Time to continue our breakdown of the Dolphins' mostp ressing offseason needs.  Last week, we talked about the offensive line.  Today, let's turn our attention to one of the "flashier" positions: wide receiver.

2008 Key Contributors: Ted Ginn (56-790-2), Greg Camarillo (55-613-2), Davone Bess (54-554-1), Brandon London (3-30-0), Ernest Wilford (3-25-0)

2008 Performance
It was an interesting year for the wide receivers of the Miami Dolphins.  On the plus side, it's rare for a team to have 3 50+ reception wide receivers in the same season.  And it's been fun to watch these young receivers progress.  And the team's 19 total dropped passes was the 3rd lowest in the NFL in '08.  On the flip side, the Dolphins ranked just 17th in the league in yards after catch, with just 1566 yards.  Now let's quickly touch on each of the 5 receivers from 2008.

Ted Ginn's 2nd season was an up and down one.  He showed some tremendous flashes of talent from time to time.  Those games that stand out are week 8 vs Buffalo (7-175), week 10 vs Seattle (the terrific catch for a TD off of the flea-flicker, having to defenders draped all over him), and week 17 vs the Jets (his 2 huge catches - one for a TD and the other for a long gain, coming back to the ball and making the play against 2 defenders).  But more consistency is needed from Ginn.  He still doesn't run crisp routes consistently and he sometimes looks a little disinterested when the game begins unraveling.  But for his 2nd season, it's was an above average season.  And one of my favorite statistics, catch percentage, went up from 48% his rookie season to 60% this past year.

What can you say about Greg Camarillo?  He's just a classic "do whatever it takes" kind of wide receiver.  He isn't particularly fast or flashy.  But he makes plays when plays are needed to be made.  And it still disgusts me that he missed the team's final 5 regular season games and their playoff game with his torn ACL.  Why do these kinds of injuries always seem to happen to the good people in this league?  Why can't Terrell Owens or Chad Johnson or some of the other mouthy receivers ever suffer something like this?  Camarillo was on pace for an 80 catch, 900 yard season before his injury.  And my lasting memory of Camarillo in 2008 will be that 11 catch performance against the Broncos in Denver.  Camarillo's 66% catch percentage is also rather impressive.

I really enjoyed watching Davone Bess grow this season.  And, again, I don't want to toot my own horn too much, but I did call it as soon as Bess was signed on Sunday night of last year's draft weekend.  And with that said, he still surpassed my '08 expectations for the undrafted rookie.  Simply put, Bess was just remarkable.  In fact, Bess had the 2nd best season by an undrafted WR free agent in his first season in NFL history.  While his numbers aren't flashy, consider this statistic.  Bess caught 72% of the passes thrown his way while only dropping 3 balls in 75 targets.  The kid has hands of glue and is as quick as any player in the league.  He has one year remaining on his rookie contract and truly has a great future ahead in this league as a complimentary receiver.

While Brandon London wasn't particularly involved in the offense much in 2008, he was a key special teams contributor and has the tools to evolve into a very good receiver.  He's big, physical, and can run well.  And he has very good hands.  To me, I'll always remember his critical 3rd down catch against the Jets in week 17, lunging to snatch the ball in mid air on the quick slant - keeping the drive alive, which resulted in the game's final touchdown and a 21-17 lead.

On the other hand, there is Ernest Wilford.  The biggest free agent bust of 2008.  The guy got a $6 million signing bonus as part of his $13 million deal and does absolutely nothing.  He gets outplayed in practice and then blames his failure of a season on the coaches, saying that "they never game me an opportunity."  Well, Ernest, when you play like crap in training camp and practices during the season, it's hard for the coaches to really feel encouraged to play you in an actual game, you know?

Star-divide

The Big Question
So Greg Camarillo (once he makes his way back from the ACL injury) and Davone Bess make terrific complimentary, slot receivers.  The big debate seems to be if Ted Ginn can ever develop into a true #1 receiver.  I'm leaning towards the idea that he likely isn't a legitimate #1 receiver at this level - but rather, is a great #2 receiver.  And his ability to stretch the field would be a great compliment to a true #1 type receiver.

So how will the Dolphins find a #1 receiver?  That's the big question.  And while many think the Dolphins, being led by Bill Parcells in the front office, aren't likely to make a receiver a top priority simply because Parcells' teams never make receiver a priority, something tells me that's not entirely accurate.  Great teams tend to have an elite receiver.  In fact, 3 of this year's 4 conference championship game participants have at least 1 elite receiver.  That's not a coincidence.

So how might the Dolphins go about obtaining this legitimate #1 wide receiver?  I give you the 3 potential ways.  And keep in mind that the players I talk about are just those who I feel can be truly legitimate #1 receivers - not role players or complimentary players.  The Dolphins have enough of those at the WR position.

Potential Trade Targets
Anquan Boldin - This is the guy many are drooling over - myself included.  It's not everyday that a 28 year old stud receiver (who happens to be a Florida guy) could potentially become available.  But remember, it's not really known if Boldin will again seek a trade this offseasn, especially after the success that his team has had in 2008.  And he does still have 2 years left on his contract, so the Cardinals don't have to be pressured to move him this offseason.  Andm of course, it would take a ton to pry him away from Arizona - likely Miami's 1st round pick and then some.

Chad Johnson - We all remember last offseason when Chad Johnson said into a camera for Dolphins' VP of Football Operations Bill Parcells to trade for him.  And Johnson's relationship with the Bengals seems to be on-again, off-again.  And the Bengals are currently offering a free Chad Johnson (or Ocho Cinco) jersey to customers who spend $50 or more at the team's store, possibly signaling a break-up is in store for the Bengals and Johnson.  But is Johnson the kind of player, especially at his age (31), the Dolphins want to bring aboard?  Probably not.

Potential Free Agent Targets
T.J. Houshmandzadeh - "Housh" picked a bad time to have a disappointing season, for his standards.  Despite catching 92 passes, he averaged just 9.8 yards per catch and had just 4 touchdowns.  Of course, not having a legitimate NFL quarterback throwing you passes will hurt your production.  T.J. is 31 years old, though, and is seeking a long-term contract.  But he's as reliable as they come, averaging 89 catches over his last 5 seasons and is just a year removed from his best statistical season.  But is he the kind of player the Dolphins want to invest in long-term?

Antonio Bryant - 2008 was Bryant's long awaited breakthrough season, finally living up to the potential he showed in college at Pitt.  And it only took bouncing around to 4 different teams for him to do it.  But '08 was a remarkable season for Antonio - topping 100 yards receiving 6 times for Tampa Bay, including one 200 yard performance.  For the year, Bryant caught 83 balls for 1,248 yards and 7 touchdowns.  Now, at the age of 27 (he'll be 28 in March) and entering the prime of his career, Bryant is slated to become a free agent.  The Bucs have said they are interested in re-signing him, but the price tag could potentially be too much.  They could also "franchise" him, but that's probably unlikely.  The question, if he makes it to the open market, becomes if Bryant's price tag is too rich for Miami's blood as well.

Potential Draft Targets
This class of wide receivers is far superior to last year's dismal class.  Michael Crabtree and Jeremy Maclin, though, are expected to be long gone by the time the Dolphins pick.  Percey Harvin could very well end up going back to school - and even if he came out, is he a prototypical #1 receiver?  I would argue he isn't.

That means that players the Dolphins will have a shot at include Darrius Heyward-Bey (Maryland), Louis Murphy (Florida), Mohammed Massaquoi (Georgia), Derrick Williams (Penn St.), and Kenny Britt (Rutgers), just to name a few.  But I'm really not sold on any of these players being true #1 receivers at the next level - except for Britt.

I think Britt's going to be an exceptional pro.  I saw him play for the past 3 years at Rutgers and the kid's got everything to be a legitimate #1 receiver.  And he doesn't why away from big games, either.  He actually has a knack, if anything, for making plays at key moments.  The only question with Britt is his top-end speed.  He's likely going to run in the low 4.5s at the Combine.  To me, that's fast enough.  Anquan Boldin isn't particularly fast, either.  What kind of pro is he?

Also important to note, in terms of Britt's possibilities of being taken by the Dolphins.  One, Bill Parcells is known to have extra affection (if you can call it that) for players from New Jersey.  And two, I know for a fact that the Dolphins had scouts at at least two of Britt's games this season.  So he's squarely on Miami's radar as of right now.

My Thoughts
If the Dolphins are going to address their need at WR, I'd expect it to be through the draft - and that's despite Bill Parcells' tendency to not go with flashy picks early in the draft.  The free agent class doesn't really offer up much - Housh is too old for a young team like the Dolphins and Bryant is too risky for the price tag he's going to carry.  And it's unlikely the Dolphins would trade first-day draft picks for a WR.

But if their "guy" happens to fall to them in round 1, no matter which WR it happens to be, I could see the Dolphins pouncing.  But we also know enough to understand that if their targeted WR isn't taken, this regime will not reach for another player at that position and will then simply take the next best player they have on their draft board.

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Hey Matty?

How ’bout we never use “Key Contributor” and “Ern*** Wil****” in the same phrase every again?

Thanks.

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by Daniel52 on Jan 13, 2009 12:41 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I LMAO...."key ass clown" it should read......er "King suckface"

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by Rzayo24 on Jan 13, 2009 5:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anthony Armstrong

small and temmed to look at, but i spoke with him and i got this feeling about him a overcomer with desire and I wouldnt besuprised to see him on first team…………. fast and has awareness……………

ride and die dolphin fan

by phinfan on Jan 13, 2009 9:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I still believe the most likely option

is taking a guy on day 2 of the draft that has the potential to be a number 1. And if that guy isn’t there, then we won’t take one. I believe that we have too many other needs at this point to get a first round WR. Although, looking ahead, this might be the best class of WR’s for a while. If we get a 1st round WR, I hope it’s Britt. I just have to believe there’s other positions higher on the totem pole, and unless our draft board dictates the ability to fill other needs later in the draft, I don’t think we’ll take a 1st round WR.

We’ll see how it works out. I hope we’re in position to get Britt with the ‘Skins pick, and that we’re able to nab him.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 13, 2009 12:45 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nicky you let me down ....

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 12:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

me and cb flashed the decoder rings signaling the meeting and you never showed

btw with exactly what you said bout britt with skins pick…

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 12:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're welcome

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 13, 2009 12:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and now he went to sleep =(

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 12:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

go check the thread

I made it lol

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 13, 2009 12:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 12:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TEDD GINNN!!!

Is a (&^$$$*% Miami Dolphin!!!!!!

:)

"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."

Coach Paul Bear Bryant

by AussieKen on Jan 13, 2009 1:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Greg Camarillo

Camarillo will be back next year — stronger than ever. The team made great strides this year but next season will be even better. Time to buy an 83 jersey and show Camarillo we’re behind him!

by Fangirl on Jan 13, 2009 2:34 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol get a number 9 john beck jersey.

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 2:36 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how much we talkin..

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 3:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wider Reciever?

I really think that if the tri-fecta is going to try to get a number #1 receiver it will be in rounds 2 or 3. For some odd reason I think Bill will pick up a safety, linebacker or O-lineman in the first round and maybe with one of the picks in the second. I think Langford and Merling are well on their way to being elite lineman, and they are getting good OJT. Also, the Steelers really dont have a true elite reciever, just a bunch of guys willing to do what it takes. Santonio and Hines are not really WOW receivers but they get it done. And look how its worked out for them. I think the main focus is working on our offensive line, because Ricky and Ronnie did terrible (by their standards) when in regular formations. If they can increase the YPG and YPC it will open up the offense a little more and help let CP get the ball the the receiver.

by esco6781 on Jan 13, 2009 4:15 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Percy

I think our best option is to get a FA like Housh or Bryant and let Bill Parcells have his draft picks to build a dynasty. Stay away from Oucho Sinkhole and remember, In Bill We Trust!!!! Great story though.

by marcssquad on Jan 13, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wide recievers

Percy will make a good player no matter what he is given to do. Hope he goes back to Florida 1 more year. massaquoi is a big reciever but drops to many balls. Louis is awesome. GO FINS!!!

by finfan313 on Jan 13, 2009 9:58 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think our biggest need is....

Inside Offensive Linemen. Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown will agree with me 100%. Get this front line big and it’s over for the NFL. Long and Carey need some help. I want Bill to take the best player availible and make deals he’s a pro at that. Great 08 can’t wait till 09. GO PHINS!!!

In Bill We Trust!!!

by marcssquad on Jan 13, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lineman Some big guys coming out of Tex Tech

they been taught a few things. They might be of value. Hey Markie

by finfan313 on Jan 13, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Fins

The Fins Stock that’s wazzzz up! Yo Yo you know it’s so GO FINS!!!

by finfan313 on Jan 13, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is the Probability that the Jets pick up Plaxico Burress...

to team with Kellen Clemens (to give him a legitimate #1WR and improve the Run Game and make Lavernues Coles available?
If so, would you go after him?
He’s an FSU guy and has some ready-made chemistry with Pennington. It would cost $6 million dollars.
He’d provide some experience and veteran leadership for the WRs.
I’d be for it even if it cost the Phins a 4th round pick.

I’m not sold on Ted Ginn. I like the effort and speed and the occasional great play, but for a return guy that can’t compete and win the returner job on a team with no outstanding returners, that’s pretty telling. His double moves stink.
One lasting image in my mind is seeing BOTH Ed Reed and Samari Rolle looking up for the ball while Ginn is falling down away from the play (absolutely ignorant of where the ball is) incidentally tripped by Rolle while Ed Reed returns the pick for a TD. That and the fumbling, bumbling, stumbling, ill-fated attempt at the reverse (which I thought was a great call). I’m sick of seeing him doing that on crucial punt returns as well (First Jets game).

by DolphDallas on Jan 13, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whats with the Ginn Jr. Bashing?

He didn’t win the return job because in the words of Sparano they wanted him more focused as a WR … similar to Devin Hester this season in Chicago .. or did he get beat out of his job too.

About the interception and reverse .. INT .. that ball was a duck thrown into double coverage against one ALL-PRO player and one former Pro Bowl player. Give the guy a break .. if you remember he did get back up and tried to make the tackle before getting “JACKED UP” by Haloti Ngata and then went out the next series and caught three passes thrown his way. I also guess the catch against the Jets he was absolutely ignorant where the ball was too when he was in double coverage. Reverse .. you can say he should of held onto the ball and yes that would have been a huge gain and could have changed the game but if the O-Line blocks Ray Lewis even if they touched him it would have helped both Pennington and Ginn Jr. … U can say he got it off but running at full speed trying to get that ball in when it isn’t anywhere near where it is suppose be is a little much to handle. It might have been better if Pennington just held on to the ball too .. plenty of blame all around on that play not just Ginn Jr.

His real impact will be felt next season as he works even more on his route running and yes those double moves that stink. He won’t have to worry about a new offense or even dealing with an injury. Imagine that a full offseason to work on his game. I don’t ever remember Ginn being a polished WR so this could do wonders for the guy ..

by markus_13 on Jan 13, 2009 6:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

DolphDallas, if you want to bring the entire propellers org..

to Miami, you better star routing for the propellers, cause is not going to happen. Ginn #‘s this year were good for a 2nd year WR and i bet it will get better. The fumble in the reverse?, dude!, that was the 1st time it happen in the entire year. That game was not meant to be won, the football gods left us in that game and nothing we did, happen. The thing is that, even with the 4 ints and Cobbs fumble, we were in the game before Ginn fumble(with 8 min left). Baltimore don’t scare me at all. We shoot ourself in the foot, to many times and still were in the game with 8 min left, enough said.

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 14, 2009 7:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bro..

he’s defending Ginn, not rooting for the Jets.

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 14, 2009 12:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he is hoping for Coles to come our way .. and bashing Ginn along the way

by markus_13 on Jan 14, 2009 2:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh I missed his first comment

sorry

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 14, 2009 2:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its too late to apologize....

ITS TOOOOOOOO LATE!!!!!!!!! WOAAH Woah WOAH

You tell me that you need me but then you go and cut me down….but wait..you tell me that your sorry…didnt think i’d turn around….

ITS TOO LATE TO APOLOGIZE!!! ITS TOO LATE!!

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 14, 2009 3:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so weird

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 14, 2009 5:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 14, 2009 8:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

major issues

"Worst 2 First"...Your 2008 AFC East Champion Miami Dolphins

by Rzayo24 on Jan 15, 2009 11:01 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crabtree

I know there’s no chance to get him but I’d sure love it. He’s going to be Andre Johnson/Calvin Johnson level good.

by Offer Doll on Jan 13, 2009 12:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WR options

i dont think parcells is willing to use a high pick on a WR. he never has, bil always builds a fast, stingy defense with tough young players through the draft. i’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that he drafts a stud LB or Dt. with his first and possibly 2nd picks. i think he picks a reciver late on the first day.

by frostyphinfan on Jan 13, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think he believes you can get 1st round talent in the 3rd round easier at WR than at other positions.

by Offer Doll on Jan 13, 2009 12:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boldin

boldin is nice though. he’s tough and he blocks well. shows a flair for the “wild cat” man that would be nice. and he’s one tough s.o.b

by frostyphinfan on Jan 13, 2009 12:32 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who wouldn't want Boldin?

I think he lost a step after his face was reconstructed, but hell I’d love him. That said though there is no way we’re getting him in a trade.

by Offer Doll on Jan 13, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I WOULD LOOOOOVE BOLDIN

he is insane good, he can break tackles, catch the ball, do everything well, and he is a tough s.o.b like frosty said….btw frosty, how does injuring your face cause you to lose a step? does the face really affect running ability (these are serious questions, not trying to be an ass or anything if thats the way it sounds)

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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 4:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ravens LB's

i read that all 3 of Baltimore LB were FA after this season. i dont think lewis would leave the ravens, but what about suggs?

by frostyphinfan on Jan 13, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are but I'm not sure we should pay for any of them

Suggs is going to command a big premium and we are already paying J Peezy so much money.

by Offer Doll on Jan 13, 2009 12:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and Suggs will want DE money

just like he did this season when they franchised him. Remember the whole fiasco where the team tried to prove he wasn’t a DE so they didn’t have to pay DE Franchise money (significantly more than LB money)?

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by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 13, 2009 1:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to disagree with you Matty I on one thing

I do not believe that 3 out of the 4 conference title game participants have elite receivers.

Philadelphia has D Jackson who had 62 catches, 912 yards and 2 tds.
Pittsburgh has H Ward who had 81 catches, 1043 yards and 7 tds.
Baltimore’s D Mason had 80 catches, 1037 yards, and 5 tds.
Arizona’s L. Fitzgerald had 96 catches, 1431 yards, and 12 tds
A Boldin at #2!!! had 89 catches, 1038 yards and 11 tds!

Contrary to what you said, I believe only Arizona has a truly “elite” wr. I think A Boldin is elite as well and it shows when he has better numbers than the rest of the other 3 teams top guys being the #2 receiver. I think there are only a handful of truly “elite” receivers in this league which is exactly why they are given that name. I guess for me its a matter of equating the word “elite” with the wrs that are freaks.

My point is that I don’t believe that we should focus so much on obtaining an “elite” receiver rather than a true #1. There are many excellent #1 receivers in this league that aren’t necessarily elite.

by picklescapone on Jan 13, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree that Baltimore and Philly don’t (I’m curious which one Matty thinks does…) But I think that you have to classify Hines Ward as an elite receiver. I know he isn’t as much of a deep threat, but he is one of the most talented in the league and I think one could make a case for him having the best attitude of any player in the league, he plays hard, doesn’t shy away from a hit, and draws so many flags without doing anything dirty. I would kill to have a younger version of Hines Ward on the Dolphins…

by thatzakkid on Jan 13, 2009 2:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hines Ward is elite

You can look at his numbers all you want, but when you actually see him play, you realize how special he is.

And I also included Derrick Mason. Maybe “elite” wasn’t the right word. But a #1 wr has to be close to it.

by Matty I on Jan 13, 2009 2:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here are some interesting stats.....

……. 90 catches, 1050 yards, 7 tds. Marginally better than Hines Ward’s stats. Guess who? Those were OJ Mcduffie’s stats from 1998. Never would I have considered him an elite receiver. Is the difference that Ward is a better blocker? Is it that he is more intense? Has had great numbers for a longer period of time? Yeah that is all true, but as of right now, classifying Ward as elite is a little bit too much of a stretch when you have guys like Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald around to compare him to.

by picklescapone on Jan 13, 2009 2:44 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Ward is in a "run-first" offense

Some like to use numbers to analyze players. But I don’t. What I know is I’m impressed with Ward every time I see him play. He’s an exceptional receiver.

So we’ll agree to disagree on this one.

by Matty I on Jan 13, 2009 8:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to add to your Boldin point

he missed 4 games!!! and he was only 7 catches behind fitz, the team leader in catches??? thats a game’s worth for Q…this guy is unreal, people say he had a great year b/c he had Warner throwing him the ball, one of the most accurate qb’s in the world, but we have a similar qb with laser-like precision. and i know opposing defenses had to also worry bout fitz and Steve Breaston, both VERY good receivers, which limited their ability to double any of those guys, or if they did one of the others would be in one on one coverage…i think while none of our current receivers dont demand double coverage, or even the notion of it, they could be enough of a distraction to have the opposing defense to forgo doubling Q (if we get him)…..so, it wouldnt be far fetched to think that Q will have the same success here as he did in AZ, actually, probably even higher numbers, since he will be the MAIN guy here…….

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by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 5:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well you have to realize that there is a difference between.....

…..Hines Ward and Larry Fitzgerald. I’ve seen Hines Ward play and agree that he is fantastic, but he ain’t no Fizgerald.

by picklescapone on Jan 13, 2009 2:37 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no he's not

But that doesn’t mean Ward isn’t an elite receiver. It just means Fitz is even better.

by Matty I on Jan 13, 2009 8:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah I don't agree

….Fitz is elite……Hines is damn good.

by picklescapone on Jan 13, 2009 10:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thats right pickles

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 10:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Antonio Bryant

I could be wrong but wasn’t the Bryant the guy that Parcells cut in Dallas and said he doesn’t want to deal with thugs?

Matt

by Matt27 on Jan 13, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boldin Boldin Boldin Boldin Boldin Boldin Boldin

The thought of adding a shotgun, spread-formation package with Boldin, Ginn, Camarillo, Bess, and one of Fasano/Cobbs/Ricky/Ronnie all line out wide is making me giddy as a school girl.

by Saxonthebeach on Jan 13, 2009 3:36 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In Tuna I Trust

It is fun to speculate, and it takes up the time between now and next season. I know we will all debate the picks when they do happen, to take up more time until training camp opens. I do have complete faith in our Irish-Italian Tuna trifecta in whoever they pick. They will hit on at least 50% of their picks, of that I am confident.

My speculation: forget the skill positions for another draft/free agency and let’s keep getting bigger and stronger in the trenches. We have at least 2 years before we have a shot at the Super Bowl.

by Sparcells on Jan 13, 2009 3:41 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 years before a super bowl?

I would have thought that before this year. everything has changed. it’s on now

by finfan313 on Jan 13, 2009 4:31 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hypocrisy?

I really feel that it is the BIGGEST crock of sht that Matty would presume to be so HYPOCRITIC to slam Ernest Wilford and call him a “bust”…..and then “praise” Brandon London in the same breath, when they BOTH produced the same exact numbers at WR! Wow!

Can you believe it???

He defends Tedd Ginn Jr’s “bust” label because of the fact that fans are using his #9 pick status against him…..and doesn’t defend Ernest Wilford for the SAME EXACT THING about being labeled a “bust” because of his $6mil dollar signing bonus!!! Wow! What pure hypocrisy!

It’s disgusting and biased unprofessionalism.

Be fair. If Wilford was wrong by saying the “TRUTH”!!!! That the coaching staff indeed “DIDN’T” give him a chance….as is proven by the number of throws and even games active….then London should “ALSO” be CUT for producing the same numbers that Wilford did with “MORE” chances and throws and games “active”!!!!

Be fair. If Wilford is a bust because of the contract…..then Ginn is a bust because of his draft status and contract!!!!

Be objective and grow up. Wilford didn’t produce because Sparano didn’t let him. See 2007….he produced when given a chance. Duh????

by mred on Jan 13, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you serious?

Ginn is producing, making impact plays, changing games, winning games…what the fuck is wilford doing for us other than sitting on the fucking bench and taking our money……..

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 5:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ginn is not a bust, far from it

Wilford on the other hand, was a BUST this season, maybe he’ll produce next season IF he is still here, but there is no way you can compare the two

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 5:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

London had much better production this season ......

Sure Wilford didn’t get the time and that had to be for some reason … the same thing could be said about Hagan before being let go and Jason Allen on Defense. Sure him and London had the same stats but what about Londons contribution to the special teams unit as well … he does more than Wilford could ever do for THIS team and by the way .. don’t live in the past it gets you nowhere.
 
About Ginn … he has put up decent #‘s since he came to the team … we drafted him knowing he would be a project as a true WR and he is starting to become that. If Sparano was willing to sit a guy making 6mil don’t you think he would have easily sat Ginn down if he didn’t produce in practice or on gameday?

If you want to lable a first round WR bust on someone start with these players .. they say it takes three years to really see where people are at so I think we did much better with Ginn Jr.

2005 Draft

  1. - Troy Williamson
  2. - Mike Williams

by markus_13 on Jan 13, 2009 5:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ladies and Gentlemen

Ernest Wilford has made an appearance on the boards!

Seriously though, WTF are you talking about? Wilford, picked up in FA after having a decent season in JAX, royally sucked. Matty isn’t saying he’s a bust because he’s not worth $6mil, he’s saying that Wilford is a bust because he isn’t worth ANY amount of money. When you bring in a FA, you expect him to produce. Wilford couldn’t get on the field. I find it funny that you blame Sparano for the fact that Wilford couldn’t get his ass in the game. You earn playing time in practice, and EW earned none. Plain and simple. Get a Clue.

Brandon London, however, was picked up off the Giants practice squad to be a special teamer, which he did. Just by playing on damn near every special teams unit we have, he already contributed more to the team than Wilford. The fact that a guy 2 seasons into the league and spending his first one on a practice squad produced the same amount of catches as Wilford is alarming, because Wilford was brought in to A) start and B) produce numbers indicative of a Number 1 WR.

You obviously don’t have any idea what you’re talking about, and you proved it throughout this ridiculous rant.

Be objective and grow up. Wilford didn’t produce because Sparano didn’t let him. See 2007….he produced when given a chance. Duh????

lol damn you Coach Sparano!! Why didn’t you give the guy that sucked in practice a chance to suck in games? Why??? It’s not fair.. you gave the hard working kid a chance, why not the lazy guy who can’t play special teams or catch a cold?

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 13, 2009 6:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THANK YOU NICKY

mred is a fool, he doesnt know what he is talking about

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 6:28 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mred

You have issues. Good luck with those.

                                 Love,
                                               The Phinsider

"Worst 2 First"...Your 2008 AFC East Champion Miami Dolphins

by Rzayo24 on Jan 13, 2009 7:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mred

what the hell were you on when u wrote that??

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 7:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol yea

wdf was he on?

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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait im confused. who was on what? mred is his name...or just rz being rz...im confused

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

im clean!

"Worst 2 First"...Your 2008 AFC East Champion Miami Dolphins

by Rzayo24 on Jan 13, 2009 8:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lmao

dude, read the previous posts lol….mred’s starts with “hypocrisy?”

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 8:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol i see it now..

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I read this, I was reminded of a classic saying:

“It’s better to keep your mouth shut and have everybody think you’re an idiot rather than opening it and proving everybody right.”

by Matty I on Jan 13, 2009 8:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Classic

mi padre tells me that all the time

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 8:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

QUOTE SLAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

very rare

"Worst 2 First"...Your 2008 AFC East Champion Miami Dolphins

by Rzayo24 on Jan 13, 2009 8:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

quote slap...lol i like it

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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mred

are you ernest wilford?!

El Peezy

by el presidente 00 on Jan 13, 2009 8:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what do u mean?

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 8:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my comp is acting weird

i posted one, said it didnt post so i went back and reposted, but theyre both there now haha

El Peezy

by el presidente 00 on Jan 13, 2009 8:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

apologize for repeating lol

is there a delete comment button haha

El Peezy

by el presidente 00 on Jan 13, 2009 8:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol no but primetime is working on the "are you sure" function.

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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

its only a matter of time i guess

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it happens to the best of us

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 13, 2009 8:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

waddddddddddupppppppppppp el peezzzzyyy

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how've you been buddy?

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i smell matty lurking

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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:33 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cmon jessica cmon tory

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by finsxfactor on Jan 13, 2009 8:47 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We don't need a WR!

We have that need fullfiled and they WILL make a LOT of NOISE this 2009 season!

I will see the Dolphins win a SUPER BOWL before i die(21 years and counting)

by Aleta on Jan 14, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ehh..

I don’t agree. We don’t have anything more than a decent 2nd option and a couple slot receivers right now. How is the need fulfilled? Now, If Brandon London is what I hope he is (beast) then maybe you’re right. But as of right now, we are in need of a big target that can be the number 1 target.

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 14, 2009 12:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

britt

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 14, 2009 3:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who's britt?

i have never heard of him……….

-I did what last night?
-no, i didnt!!!
-I DID?!?!
-SHUT THE F*CK UP!!!!

-No excuses, No explanations

by MiamihastheDolphins.... on Jan 14, 2009 6:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you would say that

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by finsxfactor on Jan 14, 2009 8:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And with the 25th pick in this years NFL draft the Miami Dolphins select......

Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina

MIAMI DOLPHINS: 2008 AFC EAST CHAMPIONS!!!

by ATS16 on Jan 15, 2009 2:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fail no

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by finsxfactor on Jan 15, 2009 3:17 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

trade our 7th for ladell hawkins

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by finsxfactor on Jan 15, 2009 3:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lavelle*

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 15, 2009 3:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why?

"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"

by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 15, 2009 5:34 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i like how he attacks the ball.

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 15, 2009 6:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pass

"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"

-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic

by Patssuck456 on Jan 15, 2009 9:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pass you!

Enough is enough...we need Natalya back. I believe in John Beck and that LCFF is the man.
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by finsxfactor on Jan 16, 2009 3:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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