Re-sign Channing Crowder?
by Matty I on Jan 1, 2009 11:30 AM EST
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PrintWhile I agree with many Dolphin fans that this should not be an issue right now as the Dolphins prepare for their first playoff game in what seems like ages, it's still an important issue that has to be addressed.
Should the Dolphins re-sign Channing Crowder, a four-year starter since his rookie year and the team's defensive signal caller?
Channing brought it up on Wednesday with the media. Said Crowder:
"Honestly I don't know, I don't. I don't see your signal caller, four-year starter playing his whole contract out. But I don't know the game like that."
[This new regime] has seen 16 games - they know what can I do. Heck, I played against them. They can go get them a rookie. They can find a good rookie to do what I do, run around and act crazy."
Sparano was asked by the media about it on Wednesday as well. But he didn't really get into it, just saying:
"The front played extremely well. But Channing being out there has an awful lot to do with that."
"Channing plays with a lot of energy. He can get to a lot of things from the middle. He plays sideline to sideline and can get around a lot of tackles."
"Channing has had help back there with a bunch of people. But Channing can make a difference."
My take? The Dolphins are probably waiting to talk numbers with Crowder's agent for 2 reasons. One, they want to keep Channing hungry and motivated - playing with a chip on his shoulder. And two, they want to make sure Channing is fully healthy. Remember, he does have a history of knee issues dating back to his college days at Florida.
In my opinion, I do hope Channing is back. While he may not be a game-changer like a Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher, he is a solid performer week in and week out - especially against the run. And his fire and overall "craziness" is contagious to the rest of the defense.
So I hope Channing is back. But I am not totally sold on the idea that he will be back. The Dolphins have a number of key free agents this year, including Vernon Carey, Yeremiah Bell, and Andre Goodman. And if I had to guess, I'd say it's unlikely that all 4 are back.
But how do you decide which are worth the investment and which are not? It's a tough call. But luckily, the Dolphins have the right people in place to make these tough decisions.
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How long has it been since you've been able to type that?
But how do you decide which are worth the investment and which are not? It’s a tough call. But luckily, the Dolphins have the right people in place to make these tough decisions.
"I told you what it takes to come in here and do what you just did! I told you exactly what it takes. It takes big ones!"
-Tony Sparano
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the main thing i noticed from the post
was how cool it is to say you trust the front office
man thats a great feeling
i take your signatures and use them as away messages
by ihavebadknees on Jan 1, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
What I expect the issue to be re-signing Channing
is that he isn’t the best player that we could have at linebacker. However, his leadership and passion would be very hard to replace. That means the management will have to choose between a potential skill upgrade (but leadership and passion downgrade) or keeping Channing. Whatever Ireland and Sparano come up with, I’m behind 100%.
resign channing. hes not gonna do turnovers...but hes vital in our run d
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btw if any lb goes for a talent replacement...its torbor or akin
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agreed, crowder is good, but not pro bowl good.
but honestly, i was a little critical of him last year… and skeptical of him starting this year, but i like him. I think he has really played solid this year, and I think he could even be better. Realistically, the guy had one year with Saban, and then one year under that other clown with a different D, so he is probably a little “stunted” (pun intended) in his development. He could be even better next year. And I think if they could find a way to sign him to an incentives based contract… we should keep him.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 1, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Trifecta
I will leave it up to the Trifecta to decide, I can see keeping 2 of the 4 and drafting heavily on defense. Nothing wrong with a young hungry team. A more dominating defense would be great, but the guys the have a come along way this year.
Replace Vernon Carey...keep our core Defense here.
we have Thomas and Smiley coming back…IKE and Alleman have played decent…Johnson is a nice project…..draft a O-Line guy early….let him go. we can upgrade him easily. especially with our oline coaching talents
Goodman has been excellent…but i can see him being expensive. I think he comes back because he knows this team makes him better
Bell is back. Do whatever you have to do. Seriously….Bell can be a top 5 safety in this league. Impressive season doesnt begin to describe his 08’….physically he is second to none as well. What a pick he turned out to be huh?
Crowder….paired with Joey makes a nice CONFIDENT nasty attitude lb core…replace Roth with the play maker you want. Roth is a nice player…but doesnt change games…really…ever.
I believe these Crowder comments are balsy and equal to McGahee’s dumb commnets. this isnt the regime to piss off by talking contract before the biggest game in a decade. shhhhhhhhhhhh. no matter what ull make money channing…here or somewhere. force some fumbles….get some sacks….make millions more while u have the chance…
"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"
by Rzayo24 on Jan 1, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
good points
"We pride ourselves on playing smart, tough, disiplined football" Chad Pennington 12/28/08
by HuskerDolphin on Jan 1, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
RZ
I completely agree. That was basically exactly what I would have said.
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I think wit Vernon Carey, they may let him go because some team will want him as a LT and his value as a RT wont as high. Also Carey might yield 2 first-round picks which might be too enticing to pass up. I expect Bell and Crowder to be resigned quickly. I didn’t know Goodman was a free agent but it makes sense because he was terrible and recently he’s played a bit over his head. I’d say draft some corners and pass on Goodman after the season. I don’t agree with replacing Roth, he made some big strides in the pass rush and was really good against the run.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
Carey who gets 2 first rd picks?
Vernon Carey? 2 1sts? Not even on cheat GM mode in Madden dude. serious?
Roth i would love to keep….but if you can get a defensive star in his place you do it. Roth is a decent player….with a great motor and attitude…..but if you can get a 1st rd pick talent in there u do it.
"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"
Keep Roth
but upgrade him with Peppers. Peppers plays strongside and Porter plays weakside. Roth comes in, Porter comes out, Peppers moves to the weakside on running downs.
Carey won’t yield 2-first rounders, and I don’t think he’ll leave. We need to try and resign him, because all the depth we have is in the interior, we have NO tackle depth, and we can’t afford to just let go starters, unless we can land a starter in FA.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 1, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
All I know is that they were looking at Chris Long there with the #1 pick and Roth is at least as good as he is. And Yes, I think either way Carey will get the franchise tag and there is a good chance a team will give 2 1st rounders for him because he can play left tackle where for us he’s not that valuable. Plus, they got a 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor, so….
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
That'd be awesome
but I don’t think we’ll franchise him. That’s a move basically saying “we’re desperate” and players hate it. We’ll try to sign him before he hits the market, and if he wants to walk, he’ll walk. I don’t think he’ll get huge LT money because he had a down year this year. Nobody is gonna give up two 1st rounders for him as a LT. They may outbid us in the open market, but they’re not folding up their draft tent for him.
All the Chris Long interest I don’t think was real. Jake was the guy from Day 1, no matter what the media tried to sell us. Roth can be upgraded. He’s only good really in one phase of the game, run stuffing. I love his energy and how he plays, and I would love for him to stick around and give us a very good rotation guy at that spot, but as a starter and every down player, he can be upgraded.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 1, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it...
Why some of you guys are so down on Roth. I tried to tell you guys at the start of the year that Roth was going to be a good player when many of you thought he’d be run out of town. I really like him. He changed positions during training camp and is doing a damn good job. Just about anybody CAN be upgraded but how about being happy with the guys you have? Honestly, the guy that really should be ugraded is Ayodele. He’s solid but kind of slow, that’s why he can’t really fill in for Channing.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
First things first
Nobody is down on Roth, I just feel like we have the opportunity to have a SERIOUS playmaker at that position, and he’s not that guy. He’s a great run-stuffing LB, and he’s been pretty good rushing the passer and dropping into to coverage, but you can’t honestly tell me you’d rather have Roth starting instead of Julius Peppers, who we have a chance to get in FA.
I don’t know why you think Ayodele “can’t fill in for Channing,” considering he starts alongside him. In the 3-4 defense, your playmakers are the OLB’s, not the ILB’s. Crowder and Ayodele are a good match inside. The defense struggled when Torbor filled in for Crowder, because Reggie can’t duplicate the run defense or tackling of Channing.
Don’t get so defensive, Roth is probably not a top tier guy at his position. He’s a good, solid player. Personally, I’d rather have Peppers, and if we can get him, I don’t think we turn it down because we have Matt Roth.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 1, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way the Panthers are going to just let Peppers go, period. He’s their franchise guy. Also, at his position, Roth is solid. That’s why Sparano likes him there. Of course you can upgrade almost any player, I just think Roth and the other guys on the D line have done a damn fine job. Maybe they’re not stars but they get it done and that the kind of players that I personally like because they win Superbowls. The Patriots didn’t have superstars all over the place either but they won a lot.
I’d like to see some upgrades in the secondary and some young LB’s before they start tinkering with the other guys
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
I beleive the franchise tag time has expired...so we cant do that anymore. saw something on espn
"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"
Carey is good.
Not great but certainly solid. not like those turnstyles we have had on the line over the past few years (McIntosh, St. Clair, etc.) Fix the RG spot and he will be even better. Re-sign him if you can for a reasonable contract. His price should determine if he stays.
Agree on Bell. I believe he appreciates his opportunity a little more than most players and gives his best effort on every single play. That’s something that’s hard to come by in a player nowadays.
Goodman came from the Lions (right?… not gonna fact check 2night). He has never been on a winning team. I think that counters his market value a bit. I mean, he’s not Asante Samuel, so we can probably re-sign him to something based on incentives…. (playing time, etc.)
BUT, even though we have our secondary playing well now, i don’t agree that they are good enough. I think we still need to get a CB that can compete for the #1 spot… most likely through the draft. If we bring in a guy who is good enough to be a shut down corner, and we let the roster spots sort themselves next TC, the entire secondary (and by extension, the entire D) gets much better. imo.
Agree about Crowder.. shut up and play man! no is the poorest choice of timing to discuss this.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 1, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think the way the Administration dealt with Calvin Pace is a good paradigm
Offer a generously fair, but not opulent contract extension for a small amount of years (small signing bonus, big overall number). If the player walks, FINE, then find or develop a replacement.
We could have been better WITH Pace, but we did okay without him.
Remember in all of the Euphoria, this is still a rebuilding program. No player is absolutely essential.
Although I don’t see any better alternatives (per capita) on the free agent market. It is best to keep the players you have even if you have to spend a little more.
A good analogy is EBAY
You want to bid high enough to at least have a chance to get what you are after, but if you detect somebody is willing to break the bank to get a player, you just got to let them go.
One advantage is that with the GOOD FEELINGS that have been fostered in the players that went 1-15 the year before, there is a better than decent chance that these FAs (Crowder, Goodman, Carey, and Bell) would be willing to accept a “family discout” to stay.
flag on the play...i dont know what "paradigm" means....i can guess...but now my head hurts
"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"
it means a way of thinking.. a pattern of thought.
and i think all contracts should be partly based on incentives, and almost never have large signing bonuses. If you are a competitive team, you can get away with more because players want to play for you. If you are Miami, even better, because players want to live here, as opposed to a lot of football cities where they only go because of the money.
This playoff berth means a LOT for the fins, win or lose, because we can begin to attract some solid Free Agents without putting us in a bad cap state.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 1, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
lmao RZ im with ya that one!
"And now Chad came back and beat the hell out of them and all of the people who were booing him at home. Chad's not going to say it, but he can tell them to kiss his ass." --Channing Crowder
by el presidente 00 on Jan 2, 2009 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
I think Crowder and his agent
think he can get a big contract in FA,,,,,,I think he is good and we can use him but he’s not worth the money we were going to give Pace……I say offer him a modest contract to stay and continue what we are going to do with or without him and that is bring in playmakers at the lber position. I’m ok with him talking about his money as long as he doesnt get personal with it. Hell Parcells is using this time to get what he wants, if any of this type of talk distracts you going into the biggest game of the yr…….go play somewhere else…..
I don't see how he thinks he will get "big money"
Hes not a big threat turnoverwise or sackwise, he is a great ILB for the 3-4 but when we were running a 4-3 I found him to be a completely different player.
I say that we offer him a good contract for his runs stopping abilities and throw in some performanced based pay for turnovers and sacks and that will say that we are willing to pay you if you produce, but if you can’t do what you promised you can, you won’t get payed for it.
Back to the Core
Has T.0.itis infected the locker room? As long as there’s a vet at LB, fresh meat will step up. Give’m a fair deal (as with everyone else out there) and pump the money into the O’line, by god! CP10 has another year, right? I’ll wager there’s a bunch of FA’s out there wanting to play with us.
I am, most respectfully,
Josh
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Keep Crowder
He’s a playmaker and one of the most passionate players in the NFL. There are other people who would be easier to replace than Crowder. He may not be a Ray Lewis level LB at this time, but he’s got a lot of years ahead of him and I could see him growing into that level of player in the next 3 years.
I would hate to see it happen on another team.
Nobody ever said Crowder was subdued
if somebody asks him a question about his contract situation, he’s gonna respond. I actually like he response, because it looks like he feels a little disrespected and is taking it out on the opponent. I agree with Matty that it’s probably best to not talk contract now and let him go out and play with that chip on his shoulder.
I do, however, think he will be back. The Ray Lewis/Brian Urlacher playmakers all play in a 4-3, where the ball is always funneled back to the MLB, and they have the freedom to go sideline to sideline making plays. In the 3-4, the ILB’s have inside gap control and blitzing responsibility, while the OLB’s and SS have the outside run. RZ mentioned above that with Porter and Crowder you have all the attitude and swagger you need on defense, and they both make plays. Ayodele is a fine complement to Crowder in the middle because he’s a decent cover linebacker and can stay with the TE’s and RB’s well enough. Roth can be upgraded, and I think he will be. Julius Peppers, this year’s FA man-crush for me, would be incredible opposite Porter, and then taking over the rush LB spot in a few years when Porter is gone. And you could still rotate Roth in for Porter on clear rushing downs and let him and Peppers set the edges.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Peppppppppppppppperssssssssssss. u had me at Julius. Wadda freak of nature
"CP10 doesnt sleep....he waits"
yup
We would have one of the best front-7’s in the league. Two studs at OLB, if we resign Crowder we have the exact type of balance you want in the 3-4 ILB’s with him and Ayodele. Roth comes in on run-stuffing downs because he’s better than Porter in that aspect. You still have Ferguson to anchor the line while we either continue to develop Soliai or work a draft pick into the role. Langford, Merling, Starks, and Holliday rotate at the DE spots. NASTY.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 1, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
you just like toying w/ don't you?
if we don’t get Peppers, i’m gonna have difficulty liking you after all this…. ; )
"I'm not near as deep and complicated as people think" ~Mike Tyson~
I'll have difficulty liking me
It’s hard to find a better fit for our defense in FA this season than Peppers lol
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 1, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
good point!
Fergi is on his last legs.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 1, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
No thank you on Laurenitis
I’ll take Mauluga 8 days of the week, but he’ll be long gone by the time we pick..
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 1, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
no love for Brian Cushing??
He would be an awesome pick up for this team. I think he is the perfect fit for Roth’s position.
He has Roths motor but 10x the skill IMO
I love Cushing
but I was just talking about the two guys hotrod said.. Cushing is a stud.
"Are we doing this? Is this happening?"
by Little Nicky 21 on Jan 1, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
It sounds like Crowder doesnt expect to be here
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
what do u mean
"And now Chad came back and beat the hell out of them and all of the people who were booing him at home. Chad's not going to say it, but he can tell them to kiss his ass." --Channing Crowder
by el presidente 00 on Jan 2, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
It sounded like he doesnt expect to be re-signed
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
crowder is a great player and i think he should be re-signed.. not "resign"
hes been a crucial part to this defense. “if it aint broke dont fix it…” keep crowder, were doing well with him, why get rid of him when we’re winning ball games?
"And now Chad came back and beat the hell out of them and all of the people who were booing him at home. Chad's not going to say it, but he can tell them to kiss his ass." --Channing Crowder
by el presidente 00 on Jan 2, 2009 2:28 AM EST reply actions
I saw that too
And laughed at it, but didn’t say anything.
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the dolphins D needs to improve.
sayin “it ain’t broke” ain’t right. They are playing well, but has been pointed out, a “haynesworth” or a “peppers” would certainly make this D better, so would a real lock down corner…. nothing against the guys that are in there now.
Crowder is good, and can maybe get even better with another year in the same system. But our D definitely needs an upgrade in the offseason.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Jan 2, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
In my best Jack Nicholson voice....
You want him on that wall….You NEED him on that wall !!!!!
Jimbo
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