Let the future of ths franchise get under center and get some time in. Screw a guy who is gonna be the odd ball out at the end of the season.

~And we know that Beck, if nothing else, has a strong arm (he threw for a higher mph at the Combine than even Jay Cutler and Chad Henne did).

Well maybe, but he didn’t use it in any games I saw him play in last year. O rany preseason games this year. He must have left it at the combine.

~John start some games later in the season – possibly to see if he’s #2 QB material .

Beck is no #2 QB material here. We need a solid vet to be behind Henne not some 28-29 yr old 3rd yr rookie.

He needs to go and if they continue to reduce Ginns role and have him ride the pine well……

CamCam’s failure will be complete.

Matty ur “Man-Crush” on this guy is unbelievable. -)

it’s all of you Beck haters. He may be good, he may not ,but so far there has not been near enough oppurtunities to know. If he was as bad as you think, he would be gone already and McCown would be the back up.

goes out injured before the half way mark in the season then yeah, I’d throw Beck in there. But not necessarily to see what he can do, more to protect Henne from getting flattened until this OL builds a bit of chemistry and learns how to create a pocket.

Dolphins fans amaze me. Why all the hate on Beck? All you Beck haters would probably be saying the same thing about Jamarcus Russell right now if he were a dolphin. Im sick and tired of having to stick up for our players. I suppose most of you were saying that Chris Chambers wasnt a good WR. He is proving all you doubters wrong right now in san diego. I will admit when I first saw Matty’s suggestion of giving Beck some playing time towards the end of the season… my first thought was no. Then I realized that Beck really has not been given a fair chance. Hopefully by then we will have a better running game and Beck wont have to go out and try to win games for us. So personally I would rather give Beck a chance to prove what he can do, than put another rookie who isnt ready. A player should not be judged on what he can do in 3 starts as a rookie on a 1-15 team. Fans are so fickle.

Henne beat out Beck and McKown ok? Personally, I hoping Henne starts game 4. its after a bye week. We’ likely be 0-3 and we can make a fresh start.

But Matti you’re cracking me up. LOL! listen, don’t bring up Beck anymore. :)

I agree that Beck has not been given a fair chance, and I like I said in an earlier post what can you really no about someone from preseason and training camp? Take Brees for instance when they drafted Rivers; the guy sucked until Rivers showed up and even then he didn’t really show what he had until he was in a game. Beck was thrown to the wolves last season and yeah we can talk about Flacco now or Roethlisberger and blah blah blah but how many other QB’s have turned out to be superstars after a horrendous first season or two? The fact is that Beck deserves a shot and he should be given one. What do we have to lose? I like Pennington but I’m already tired of seeing 10 and 20 yd passes. Beck can actually throw and Ginn could actually be used and other teams would back off our young line and allow them some breathing room. Not to mention it would open up holes for the RB’s.

Think about a scheme with Fasano and Martin on each side with Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess in the slot with Brown in the back. That doesn’t sound so crappy does it? It would force defenses to spread out and would possibly give Ginn one on one coverage. Are you really gonna tell me there’s many corners in this league who can match him stride for stride? I don’t think so.

Tony, let Beck have a chance; I’m tired of seeing my beloved fins be the laughing stock of the NFL.

a little woozie from hitting your head during that AZ game….

lets look at this seriously… even you would admit that Henne is the likely future starting QB of the team…
So how would you get Beck ready to start in a fair manner without taking snaps and reps away from Henne…
Can’t be done… The focus of this disgusting season must be on getting Henne ready for game one 2009…
and for that Henne will need all the PT and practice time he can get.

~(But for him to at least get his feet wet during blowouts, a la Joe Montana in San Francisco, is probably a good idea.)~

Walsh – designed plays/series for montana each week… they didn’t put him in for blow outs… they said – ok he’s going to run 4 plays here… or he’s going to run the 2 minute drill this week… or he’s going to play the 3rd qtr….
it was all designed to get montana to prepare for different aspects of the game….

How many of you knows who had a better rookie preseason, Beck or Henne?
…That’s what I thought, so please let’s don’t get so far ahead of ourselves.

You got any numbers for that? I’m pretty sure I remember that they are about the same.

Ok ,Why not bring chad Henne in the game or Beck (perfer Henne) every now and then to give the defense a different look. That way Henne does not have to worry about them planning for during the week and he can just come in run a hurry up offense every now and then just to give them a different look. The defenses seem to have us figuered out, 8 in the box press receivers, Henne will add another dimension that they have not planned for. We need offense relief gimmick new looks. What u think????

I say get him in there and give him his shot. Now for all you Beck haters, do you hate Farve and Cutler? Seems to me Farve served up a duck against us. His teammate had the sense to catch it. When Farve serves up a duck, he is a genius. And how bout Cutler? Didn’t he give up a fumble late in the game? Instead of everyone giving him shit, everybody gives the ref shit. Quarterbacks aren’t always sharp, it just seems we are quick to the trigger when our team sucks.
We are 0-2. Explain why we have Pennington again.

What do we have to lose at this point?

ok. Pennington is capable…Henne has shown promise….so why in the world would be even say John Becks name right now?

he sucks.

he sucks

he sucks

when have you seen anything but a bucket o suck from him?

let it go….john beck is terrible

I am so tired of reading about John Beck.

just so we can stop talking about him. I bet Matty would still cry about him anyway. This is absolutely ridiculous.

If there is a plan here, here is what I think it is and how, if at all, Beck would even be considered to play, not start, just play

First off, in the NFL every team doesn’t say too themselves, “we aren’t going to the playoffs this year”, so there is a goal and an effort to get there. Regardless of what the media, the fans, and everyone else thinks of the team that year.
   
Pennington wil get all the starting snaps until its too a point where there is no way mathmatically that the Dolphins can make the playoffs. Once that is done, his role will switch from starter to a mentor.
  Henne starts from that point. To help him develop as a complete qb, he has to play when games are on the line from the get go, not just when the game is out of reach and lighter defenses are being used. Or, if it ever happens, on mop up duty.
  Beck only plays late in the season, if the game is lopsided and or, Henne or Pennington can’t play due to injury. If he does anything in those games, maybe we get some value. Starting him? We can’t do it. Playing him…..maybe.
Pennington until its hopeless
Henne gets all snaps after that leading into his starting role next year
Beck gets scraps and sees what he can do with it, if the situation is there.

What we need to do is get lemon back from Jacksonville before they put him in for Garrard, who is stinking it up.

Remember, we have only one shot at the Ravens and our one victory this year, so we need to make sure Lemon and Camarillo are ready.

Go phins! lol

I will say this: Matty I is a devoted fan.

Most people are basically followers. ESPN announced what a huge mistake the Ginn/Beck over Quinn pick was at the draft, and now this FO & coach have moved on without a “true” competition. So most most people just tag along and conclude that Beck will never amount to anything. Sure he stunk last year but so did the rest of the team. And what can you conclude from 3 series this preseason… nothing. I mean if there really was a QB competition shouldn’t Henne be starting after last Sunday’s performances? But we all knew when Penne was brought in that he would be the starter at least until the inevitable injury. Tony’s a puppet.

My question to you Matty is what good would it be to play Beck if the team is 1-8 again (God forbid). We saw how Beck did with the inferior talent last year and if that’s repeated then I don’t think his trade value would be going up. I’ll say this for you though you sure know how to get a lot of hits to the blogs, ha ha!

And for those that think they weren’t able to get a pick for Beck I’d bet your wrong. They just couldn’t get what they wanted for him, while they were happy to get a 7th for McCown

no. no way. not even talking about this. i cant take much more. If i see John Beck behind center for just 1 more play i might do something drastic

how could u do this to us? we all thought u were over Ducky.

i think we need to do a intervention.

like most of the posters on this site it appears Parcells and his puppet Sparano have moved on. So I think Beck starting, except for injuries, is highly unlikely. I saw some signs last year, especially in the 4th quarter of the Cinny game, where Beck found some mojo. Anyway I appreciate your commitment to stand up against the “got my parcell blinders on” lame posters.

I’m not a blind Beck supporter, but you either don’t watch the games or you’re blind.
I saw Beck stand in there and take hit after hit against Philly and Pitt. and do OK.
It’s takes a lottta balls to type on your keyboard, big typer.
Beck could very well be the next Steve Young, (no I’m not from BYU) he sucked for years in TB but in the right system SF he’s the 2nd best QB in the league. I also think Henne deserve to play and if he’s the future so be it, but this staff has not developed or even attempted to find out if Beck is any good, that’s a waste. Now you and all your buddies want to follow the FO go for it, personally I’m with Matty. America land of free thought, most people just follow the leader though -- sad!

This is a fun argument.
Beck and Henne had similar rookie preseasons. Beck got thrown in a couple a terrible game situations and got the crap beaten out of him because our team sucked, weather etc. He did have a couple of nice moments.

Henne had one regular season drive and you guys are ready to crown him Emperor of All that is Football. What happened to the guys who crabbed about his Michigan interceptions etc.?

Just to throw some red meat into the fire here, let me give you some stats;

John Beck College QB stats…
Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating
total 1353 851 62.9 10,644 78 32 143.3

The other guys college stats…
Statistics Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating
Total 1204 693 .576 8597 79 69 77.7

OK OK hahahaaa… I tricked you, the “other guy” is Dan Marino.

att / comp / pct / yds / td / int / rating
1266 750 59.2 8,910 79 34 133.6

I had to find out after your little prank
I have to admit better then I thought they’d be.

which brings me back to…how is it that a guy is awesome his whole life, high school through college and then suddenly “sucks sucks sucks?”
I admit Henne does look good out there, very confident, crisp passes. Does he still maybe telegraph where he is going to throw a little bit?
Beck wasn’t awesome in preseason this year, but they were monkeying around with his throwing motion which I imagine could either be a bad idea or at least take some getting used to. The good thing about Beck when he is “on” is his very quick release, good pocket awareness and also great arm for the long ball. Maybe he ultimately isn’t the right guy for this team/scheme, but really he can’t “suck” can he?

I’m not worth the time then drop out.

All this debate over a 3rd string QB, doesn’t make much sense except it’s not about the QB position AT ALL. It’s about people, whether the realize it or not, climbing on board with the latest boss, or those that question what the f.. they are doing. Hey Brownie do you think a good QB can struggle his rookie year? Well Many have and they’ve gone on to great careers like P. Manning. So of Beck’s 11 passes this preseason which help you determine that he was a bum. Nope you decided this Coach and FO put him on the shelf for good reason. If not the you please illuminate us us to your revelation to why Beck can’t be one of those guys that struggles early and then… improves how unbelievable would that be – not at all.
Personally i’ve seen to many saviors come in here from JJ to Saban only to screw this team and their fans over. Oh and thanks JJ for the whole mantle passing to Wanny thing – that worked out great. So EXPLAIN yourself now or drop out.

One thing i’d like to understand better is you don’t support Henne starting but you do want Beck to start. They’re both relatively rookies so why? Is it because Beck’s 3 years older, or has 4-5 starts and 1 year of NFL level practice under his belt? Certianly you have to admit that there have been QB that started as rookies and turned out OK so why not Henne, he seems mentally tough enough. Anyway on this one I disagree with you. Play both the young guys build and mentor them, that’s the organization job and responsibility when in a rebuilding mode. And do you suppot Henne playing in gabage time or not at all?

Gotta like Bills decision on McCown, $ 2.5 million guaranteed wasted. Point being no one is infallible. That’s one mistake on QBs, Beck will probably # 2

Practice time — BS — Did you go to all those practices and that’s how you determined Beck sucks? I didn’t think so. Tony was told by Bill and now we all gotta buy into it. Who’s next Ginn, does he suck if Sparano gives up on him? I won’t tire of making the same point, not when I’m right.

Husker I totally agree with the second half of your post.

my friend? I’ve got like 20 on this thread alone. I feel your passion….you do care as we all do. Sometimes we just have to agree not too agree. Let me know which one ok?
Chin up, helmet on, smash forward.

Just busting your balls bro, nothing personal.
Does your name derive from being a NE Fan?

Thanks for the reply Matty, as always good insight.

Rant and Rave Nicky, I guess I hit a nerve. You’ve obviously proven nothing. It wasn’t a Mistake cutting McCown, it was bringing him in though, and then that Signing bonus WTF were teams actually competing for him? The guy has done nothing to justify that amount. Head up the a$$ is the problem with that move not money. Give it to V. Carey for God sake. Hey I love the Phins, 38 years now, 0-2 or 0-16 don’t matter. I just want to see somebody turn it around, but I take every new savior with a grain of extra big salt.
Bill is an good judge of talent and don’t get me wrong I want him in that position, not coaching though. I want value from our 2nd rounder last year and if he’s not playing here then I want a decent pick for him.

I already stated earlier that I do not like Sparano’s technique for “motivating” young players. Coaching Ginn up, develop him and his talent. Design plays for him. Like Shula, work with the talent you have, adjust, don’t punish. It obviously not working and does any one actually believe that Hagen or Camarillo are more talented then Ginn.

My aguments suck simple because you don’t agree with them and that’s your problem not mine. My points are valid.

Yah, I thought so. My Mom went to Lincoln so we grew up cheering for the Big Red.
I took her to see the Thanksgiving game a couple years ago because she had never
seen a game live, yah I know crazy. They lost to CO but it was great fun. I spent my summers in Columbus NE. I still hate OK, ha ha!

There isn’t thing else but Diehard Husker fans. Peace be with you.

heard of a Runza, what’s that? My Mom’s pretty old now so we didn’t really party in Lincoln. We just came down from my Aunt’s in Columbus for the game. I’ll ask her about that drink(?) She’s coming out to AZ for the birth of our second child in Nov.

Yes, it was a home game and even though they were losing the fans were great. Nothing like a Dolphin’s Game, ie sit down you’re blocking my view of the TD.
Sorry don’t know the Island is that on the Platte River also?