A Pitiful Display: Dolphins fall to Cards 31-10
What can I really say other than just stating the obvious? This team stinks. They stunk last season. And they might be even worse this season.
But here's the thing. This was to be expected. Things weren't going to change overnight simply because of a new regime and some new players. That's not how this works. Sure, there are times when bad teams surprise the next year. But let's face facts: the Dolphins lack talent. But I didn't think things would be this bad, to be honest.
So let's get to the headlines from Sunday's debacle:
SWISS CHEESE SECONDARY
Did Tony Sparano really say a few months ago that this secondary pleasantly surprised him when he watched the tape from 2007? Seriously? Because the Cardinals simply made that group look like little boys among men. The Dolphins couldn't do anything to slow down Arizona's passing attack. And let's be honest; if the Cards wanted to, they probably could have scored 50+ points today. Andre Goodman simply looked silly out there. Chris Crocker apparently doesn't know how to tackle. And Will Allen, the best corner on the team, couldn't do much to slow down Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, either. I think the 75-yard pass play to Fitzgerald in the 1st quarter was a good example of what Allen's problem is. He was right there with Larry, but he struggles playing the ball when the ball is in the air. Fitzgerald just uses his size and athleticism to bring that ball in and break away. At least Allen showed good hustle in getting up and chasing down Fitzgerald from behind.
And you have to wonder exactly what the coaching staff, Sparano and defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni specifically, did all week when game-planning. Because I don't understand how Boldin gets matched up with a linebacker without safety help on that 1st possession by Arizona. I don't care if it was a mental mistake by some players. It's the coaches job to prepare these guys. Today, the defense looked completely unprepared.
COACHES DESERVE CRITICISM
Last season, everybody wanted to blame Cam Cameron for how unprepared the Dolphins looked. Everyone also blamed Cameron for all of the mental mistakes, missed assignments, and penalties that the players committed. And that's fine because it is the coaching staff's job to prepare the players. A lack of discipline is a reflection of the coaches - or so many say.
So now it's time to call out Tony Sparano and his coaches. Besides having their team totally unprepared for this game, their players made too many mental mistakes. They missed assignments on defense. And the penalties were completely unacceptable. How do you get called for 12 men on the field on a FG attempt? That's just ridiculous and is completely the coaches' fault. And rather than missing a FG, that drive ended with a TD by the Cardinals - opening up a 24 point lead with 10 minutes left in the 3rd and essentially ending the game.
Oh, and incase you weren't paying attention, the Dolphins got called for 12 men on the field a second time later in the game. But the Cardinals declined the penalty because they picked up 20 yards on a Warner-to-Fitzgerald connection. Yeah, even with 12 men on the field, this defense was inept.
All in all, the Dolphins tallied 6 penalties, with at least 3 more being called on Miami but were declined. Lack of discipline much? I thought that this new regime was supposed to change the culture. All I'm seeing is much of the same - at least from my perspective.
PENNINGTON STRUGGLES; HENNE DEBUTS
Alright. So let's get to this topic because I know this will be debated all week long.
No, Chad Henne should not start next week against the Patriots.
Sure, Henne was solid in his debut today - during garbage time, of course. He got one drive, completed 7 of 12 passes for 67 yards, and should have had a TD pass but Ronnie Brown dropped a pass in the endzone (that was thrown behind Brown). Regardless, Brown still capped the drive with a TD run. And so Henne did his job - led his team to a touchdown. But the Cardinals were playing a very soft umbrella, "prevent-style" defense. Henne had passing lanes that Chad Pennington simply did not have either last week or this week.
With that said, Henne completed some strong throws that I don't think Pennington could have made due to his lack of arm strength. And I do feel that Pennington's weak arm does cost this offense because defenders play to defend the short-to-intermediate passing game.
However, it makes no sense to throw Henne to the wolves this early in his career. Did we not see what happened to John Beck last season when he was put in a tough situation? Why do that to Henne. It's stupid. How about we let this offensive line gel some more before we stick our potential QB of the future on the field.
QUICK HITS
A few more things from this game:
-The run defense was much better, holding Edgerrin James and Tim Hightower to just 2.82 ypc. Randy Starks and Jason Ferguson were two who were very active in stopping the ground game.
-The pass rush really was non-existent for most of the game. That's a major concern.
-Ronnie Brown really does look good - in terms of how he's moving around. It doesn't seem like his knee is bothering him at all. And damn, he runs angry, doesn't he? Now we just have to get this offensive line to open some holes.
-Speaking of the OL, I know it's going to take time to gel. But they just don't open up running lanes for Ricky and Ronnie. And even Jake Long has failed to impress me - not only due to a lack of running lanes but also because he got beat for the 2nd week in a row for a sack.
-Brandon Fields had a terrific day punting. He only had one punt that wasn't effective. All the others traveled long distances and/or landed inside Arizona's 15.
-The receivers still can't seem to make any plays. But I have to question the way the coaching staff is using Ted Ginn. First of all, he has to be out there much more often. After all, he won't learn and progress if he isn't on the field. Secondly, and more importantly, why do the coaches refuse to a) put Ginn in motion to help him beat the jam; and b) make Ginn the primary return man. I don't get it.
FINAL THOUGHT
If you've made it this far through my incoherent ramblings, kudos to you. The only thing I have left to say is that we all need to take a deep breath and relax. This is what rebuilding is all about. The first step is building solid lines. The offensive line is a work in progress with a high ceiling. Let's give them time to gel. The defensive line is already improved, but will get better as the young guys like Phillip Merling and Kendall Langford gain more and more experience.
Then this upcoming offeason, I'm sure we'll see the front office go after improving the secondary and the receivers. But you can't do it all in one offseason. And things will be ugly here in Miami for quite a while. Just buckle down and be patient. Most importantly, don't watch the games with any expectations at all. That way, if the team plays well, you'll be that much more excited. But if they play like they did against Arizona, you'll be prepared and can just move on.
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I was really shocked...
I really honestly can’t remember the last time we got lit up like we did today. If I think back long enough, I’d have to say that Marino’s last game was it. We couldn’t do ANYTHING right and we kept shooting ourselves in the foot with dumb penalties, lack of focus, and just plain outright idiotic plays at times. Like you mentioned Matty, how in the world do you leave the backer alone with Boldin? It is absolutely just begging to get picked apart.
One thing that really frustrates me as well is the horrendous misusage of Teddy and Ronnie. Even on our sorry 0-7 team last season, Ronnie was our lone bright spot. Nothing has changed (don’t even bring up his knee because he is FINE) and they just are capping his production by allowing Ricky to take his carries away from him. I don’t know the stats off hand but Ricky played decent, but Ronnie steps up. I can’t say it enough how much I love his style of running. I just can’t help but get jacked up when he lays a bigger and better lick on the defender than anyone on our defense can dish out. I love this guy, plain and simple. He is a beast when properly used. And sure, he should have caught that TD pass from Henne but it was a bit behind him and he did make up for it but I’ve come to expect Ronnie to make every play possible because I just think he is that DAMN GOOD.
One thing I’ve noticed that I wanted to pose as a question to you all. Does it seem like Ricky gets tripped up fairly easily and can’t really seem to break one tackle anymore or is it just me expecting him to save the day every time he touches the rock? I could have sworn in previous years, he would have absolutely BLOWN by some of these suckers trying to shoe string or arm tackle Ricky…
GINN NEEDS MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I don’t care how you flip it, chop it up, twist it, GINN NEEDS TOUCHES. He is not a good enough #1 wide out just yet and for him to NOT be returning the ball every chance we get is asinine. I can’t get over it. He needs every opportunity to learn the WR position while polishing and honing his skills for the return game.
I have to give it to Cam Bam… he, or his staff, really knew how to utilize Ronnie. Even if he was the only thing they had, they really knew how to use him and tap his potential. Everyone knows the type or back he can be but it just seems like Parcells and Co. just aren’t buying it. I don’t know anymore. I can’t figure them out at this point but I do trust them. Sparano will have his fair share of lumps but Parcells is someone we can definitely trust.
Today’s game is different. You never would have thought the Dolphins perfect season would ever be duplicated with the type of competition we have in this league and conversely, you would never think a team would flirt with 0-for the season until last year. We have lost 20 out of the last 21 games we have played. This franchise definitely needs a culture change and that is what we are going to get and trust me, it will begin this year. The results may not come as fast as we would like, but the process has begun.
by DaMiamiDolphinz on Sep 15, 2008 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's The Line, Not The Backs
Ronnie Brown: 11 carries for 26 yards
Ricky Williams: 11 carries for 28 yards.
So, Brown is better? No. Both of them are great. Jake Long and company can’t block worth anything. The offensive line sucks right now.
Ted Ginn is not good… right now. I agree with you about the return game. The guy can’t run routs so might as well have him return kicks. What a waste of a draft pick.
I have to give it to Cam Bam… he, or his staff, really knew how to utilize Ronnie. Even if he was the only thing they had, they really knew how to use him and tap his potential. Everyone knows the type or back he can be but it just seems like Parcells and Co. just aren’t buying it. I don’t know anymore. I can’t figure them out at this point but I do trust them. Sparano will have his fair share of lumps but Parcells is someone we can definitely trust.
Dude, seriously? Cam Bam had a veteran line and that’s why Ronnie had a good season. That’s all. Ronnie and Ricky can’t do a thing without a line. No back can. Especially a line playing this poorly.
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by The Phinisher on Sep 15, 2008 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...ronnie is definitely getting tougher yards though
seems like ricky either goes down or goes in reverse on first contact.
a couple of the runs to the outside, i felt like ronnie would have gained significant more yards the ricky did
by JeffT on Sep 15, 2008 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't See It
Ronnie had some nice plays for sure. But he is averaging a whopping .2 yards more than Ricky with only 5 less carries.
Seriously people. The running backs and quarterbacks are the least of this team’s worries.
Those edge plays you speak of… Ronnie didn’t have to contend with unblocked defensive ends. Every sweep or toss that Ricky gets there is an end in the backfield.
Ricky… Ronnie… Who cares who gets the ball. Both of them get the hard yards. Evidenced by the fact that they have been able to get any at all.
This is the worst offensive line (at run blocking) that I’ve ever watched. Putrid.
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by The Phinisher on Sep 15, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well youre mostly correct
but I still see a fire in ronnie’s running style and attitue that just isnt there in ricky.
right now, as sorry as this team is, i’ll take all the attitude I can get.
by JeffT on Sep 15, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You see Ronnie's eyes during the game?
It sounds more that you just like Ronnie better personally. Personal feelings have no bearing in football.
by joel311 on Sep 16, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
your ramblings were very coherent Matty, and dead on. I used to get pissed for a week when they would lose, particularly when they played this bad. But then I came to realize that this has nothing to do with me personally. I mean, I support the Phins til death but this isn’t my business, these aren’t my employees f’ing up so badly. If they were and I was their manager then I should be pissed at them and myself. But this is Wayne’s mess and Bills trying to clean it up, I guess. So I’ll watch the games and let it go.
One thing I learned today is I’m much closer to believing that we’ve found the QB of the future then I’am about the coach.
by ATS16 on Sep 15, 2008 1:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Down with Sparano
Man. This team is horrible. 3 touchdowns for Boldin+Warner. We can’t even use Ted Ginn. Use Ronnie Brown more. I don’t care if we are down 21 points. Throw him the ball something man. We only allowed 1 or two sacks I can’t remember which is good. What was that about facemasking the qb.
Come on. Use Fasano, you traded a draft pick for him. You better use him especially if he is looking good.
I really want to abandon Pennington already. I mean originally the reason I wanted him was to keep the organization stable and help get us a couple of extra wins, but it doesn’t look like he’ll be able to do that. We need to trade for Peyton Manning and maybe that goal would be achieved. Pennington will only qb for us this year and maybe next year max. So what’s the point? Are we really going to go into the exact same footsteps every year? An unexperienced youngling playing qb with horrrible weapons because the veterans get the boot every single year. If we start Chad Henne now we’ll at least have experienced qb with slightly better weapons next year.
I mean there’s reasons Pennington couldn’t his job to Clemens.
I guess I should have thought twice before creating my profile's name.
by Beck4Mercy on Sep 15, 2008 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Proof that are team is worse than last year although it isn’t really this regime’s fault.
Camarillo was the #4 or #5 WR last year. I hadn’t really heard his name before that one play (you know). Now look at him he’s pretty much our #1, since it’s obvious Sparano doesn’t want to throw the ball to Ginn.
I guess I should have thought twice before creating my profile's name.
by Beck4Mercy on Sep 15, 2008 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its true
this is a process this is something that we have to swallow and we will face because we are REBUILDING yeah i get mad yeah i am like WTF, HOW THE HELL, and YOUR KIDDING ME!!! during the game but thats because there are just some things that are excusable and other that are not but in the end this is how things are going to be and i am still going to be there to watch the good bad ugly and the great
by KingOnSlaught on Sep 15, 2008 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
QB Controversy.
Last thing in the world we need right now. Penno will keep the job warm for the whole year if we are lucky. Even if Pennington gets injured, I wouldn’t want to throw our QB of the future (maybe?) out with this rabble of an O-line.
by Braun Holio on Sep 15, 2008 1:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Few Thoughts
-Where is Jason Allen? It’s obvious that Crocker and Goodman suck, so why not stick him in more? Let’s see what he has once and for all
-Where the hell is Porter? 1 tackle and an assist? That is inexcusable by the most seasoned veteran on our defense
-I like Ferguson and the rest of the d-line. They’ve been the lone bright spot outside of Crowder on the defensive side so far
-Why isn’t Ginn returning kicks everytime? AT LEAST it gives a better shot at good field position. For crying out loud he’s not being used anyway so we might as well get production out of him somehow
-I really like Pennington, I really do, but why not play Beck? I can only imagine how bad he wants an opportunity to play in an actual game. We can talk about his sub-par training camp and blah blah blah but how many players don’t show up until they’re in an actual game? Our o-line is pitiful but they do protect the QB better than last year so why not? Beck can be used to connect with Ginn deep so again, why not?
-I like Henne, but he shouldn’t start….not yet anyway
-Why is Brown not getting majority touches? He runs like a freakin maniac so give him a chance to break himself through the d-line cuz its obvious or o-line won’t do it for him
So much to say so little time…..
by Enhalo on Sep 15, 2008 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“I like Ferguson and the rest of the d-line. They’ve been the lone bright spot outside of Crowder on the defensive side so far”
How quickly we forget the last game where Roth and Porter each got a sack and a bunch of tackles.
by joel311 on Sep 15, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Write up
Was poor when it came to evaluating the quarterbacks. If you recorded the game please go to when Henne was in the game to see that the Cardinals were not playing a prevent defense and still trying to keep Miami out of the end zone. They were still blitzing on that last drive get the facts straight.
And because Beck is fragile does that mean every time the fans call for a rookie quarterback to start your going to bring up what happened to Beck. These two guys can’t be any more different and how do we know if Beck was ever capable of being a NFL quarterback if he didn’t go through what he went through last season. Did Beck ever look as good as Henne did in his playing time last year including pre-season? The answer is no. Henne is ready the question is whether or not the coaching staff and FO will swallow their pride and bench Pennington.
by Brown42000 on Sep 15, 2008 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Amen brother
The Cards were blitzing and trying to keep the game to 3 points.
Matty is right about the coverage. They were playing with more space. They were still sending linebackers in though.
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by The Phinisher on Sep 15, 2008 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crazy talk
First off, I never once said the Cards were only rushing 4. What I said was their coverage was as soft as it comes – and you cannot deny that.
by Matty I on Sep 15, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agreed with you...
The coverage was prevent. They had a delay running for most of the series, which is typical. Put a linebacker to spy the ball holder and if no draw or screen develops you come down on a delayed blitz.
So… You still right to be upset for being accused of saying something you didn’t. I was echoing more than agreeing. Nothing, brother, you write is poor.
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by The Phinisher on Sep 15, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henne
We have RB by commitee, why not QB by commitee? Pennington manages the game, but doesn’t have the arm to play catch up like Henne. For Pennington to be effective, the RB’s need holes to run thru. Then he can play to his strengths. Ginn was no where. Who’s to blame for that? Cam Cameron for drafting him? I thought he was drafted FOR THE RETURN GAME anyway!!!
We're talkin' about PRACTICE....practice!
by hotrod43 on Sep 15, 2008 6:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right hotrod!
If we tank against New England as well, then by all means we should be sprinkling Henne in later in games.
Dan Marino played for the first time (if I remember my history lessons correctly) against the Raiders after the Phins were getting blown out.
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by The Phinisher on Sep 15, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Matty -
Stop holding back. Tell us how you really feel.
by Cutie on Sep 15, 2008 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont mind losing,after all we are rebuildiing,i think(?)BUT at least show the F*** up and maybe Bill could teach the coaching staff to F***king count to 11 and stop there.DAMN they looked UUGGGGLY!
by dolfanator on Sep 15, 2008 9:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we need stability
With a young team and new qb we need stability and not more roster moves. I think we can write off the season but we new that before the jets game. So lets pick our starting lineup and let them play until they prove themselves unworthy and not until they prove themselves worthy.
A big part of the game is being comfortable with your teamates. Lets take ginn, wilford and hagan and put them in there as our top 3 for a few of weeks without the juggling act. If in a month they don’t show progress then replace them.
Remember that marino fake spike play. That only happens because they knew each other.
by sdelinois on Sep 15, 2008 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
running backs get better as the game goes on
in years past ronnie and ricky got better as the game went on. Pick one and let him get 75% of the snaps. If one is doing better then the other switch. But having one come in for a play or two and switching is not their style.
by sdelinois on Sep 15, 2008 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bush League
The only term I can think of to describe Sparano’s coaching techniques. He kind of reminds me of Saban. I think he left Wilford off the active list last week as a motivational ploy. Now this week he pulls Ginn’s playing time. Like Matty said if these young guys are struggling then run motion plays and try to create opportunities for them to get open and gain confindence (I mean coach them, guide them and teach them, isn’t that your f’ing job?). Instead he plays mind games with them and plays inferior talent.
I agree with Dolfanator, rebuilding is one thing but at least put your best foot forward, uhhgg! This is what you offer in a “Must Win Game”? The culture was better last year!
And I don’t think you can compare Beck’s Pychological make up to Henne. Ideally we don’t need Henne to play this year but it appears to me that teams are game planning for Penne. There have been QB’s that have played as rookies and turned out OK. In fact some of the best ever played as rookies. Henne, even though it was gabage time, changes the dynamics of the offense and may even give this team a better chance to win.
by ATS16 on Sep 15, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ted Ginn
Can’t run a rout and gets bullied too much.
Jake Long has trouble getting his angles right and is sometimes getting physically overpowered.
Joey Porter played terribly.
Matt Roth finally figured out what “contain” means.
This is the worst offensive line in Dolphins history. Seriously.
My final thought: You wanted this team to be a run first team and your whole offensive line can only pass protect (averagely). Great.
If Pennington can’t get it going against the Pats it is time to put Henne in after the by-week. He looks grown up.
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by The Phinisher on Sep 15, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Matty I
You didn’t bash Cameron’s regime last year until late into the season. Hell you wanted to give him an entire year because he was a 1st time head coach. Cam had vets, and had our 27 yr old future rookie QB on the pratice squad.
You won’t even give this regime 2 games before you start bashing them and at least they are playing, starting even, what, 7, 8 ,9 even 1st or 2nd year players?? How the does that work? I can’t remember Did Cam even start Ginn at receiver the first couple of games of the season?
Another thing. You said:
But the Cardinals were playing a very soft umbrella, “prevent-style” defense.
O now you’ll admit that. But all of last year when were scoring points the same way, Me, Nat, and even Left (I think) were saying the same thing, you wanted to say our “offense was improved”. Wow.
Also:
However, it makes no sense to throw Henne to the wolves this early in his career. Did we not see what happened to John Beck last season when he was put in a tough situation? Why do that to Henne. It’s stupid. How about we let this offensive line gel some more before we stick our potential QB of the future on the field.
Disagree.
Put the damn man on the field. yea we saw what happened to Beck last year. Cameron totally ruined that man. Putting him on the pratice squad, WTF? Putting him in, taking him out. Starting him on the road in Philly, then Pitts, when he could’ve started after the bye at home. Cameron made Beck what he is today.
Henne on the other hand is not Beck. He seems to have the confidence, swagger even, of being a very good NFL QB. He can take being booed (it seems). Take a hit and hold to the ball. Just because Cameron messed up Henne doesn’t mean every QB that starts in he 1st year turns into a scared, confused momma’s boy.
Its hard to run the ball when the defense knows it doesn’t have to cover but 12 yards of playing field at a time with Chad’s noodle arm, so they just stuff 10 men in the box and call it a day. Which is not good for our newly formed OL and our running attack.
Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
by Neo on Sep 15, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you just stole my point about cam cam bashing. :)
Cam got a TON of slack, until half the season went by without a win. And what drove me nuts with Cam was the head scratchers. The stupid play calling, clock management decisions. Sparano is not having those issues…. and they will get the discipline issues cleaned up eventually, or get rid of the guys that can’t get it right.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 15, 2008 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Brown is the only one one offense who plays like he gives a shit
"How can I blame you
When it's me I can't forgive?"
-From the Unforgiven III off of Death Magnetic
by Patssuck456 on Sep 15, 2008 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The good news is -
The Dolphins need only win two games this season to be 100% better than last year !!
Now… where will the ’Phins find two victories this year ??? They could probably get a game with Northwestern of Miami H.S.
Come to think of it….
If God created the earth, who created God ?
by newenglandfootballfan on Sep 15, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
take your little new england, trash talking, cheating, non R speaking, chappaquiddick, can't-build-a-freakin-tunnel-that-doesn't-leak, fan-of-a-team-that-sucked-decades, way-to-blow-a-perfect-season @$$, back to your 400lb, cream pie eating mama
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 15, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the good news is..
…newenglandhomo, that even though your mama didnt teach you not to speak w/ your mouth packed full of dick, theres still time to learn!!!! you & Brady, have a nice season : )
by Krab on Sep 15, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heya ya'll, i apologize...
…for this post of mine, as it doesn’t reflect the way i really feel or wish to express myself… i’m just touchy about things right now, as i’m sure we all are….. and i’m very passionate about my dolphins, i wont apologize for that, ….however, i didn’t mean to disrespect Matty’s forum like that so please accept my humble apology, i’ll try to see to it that it doesnt happen again…..maybe i should have coffee before i turn on my pc ….
by Krab on Sep 15, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually dude...
i thought you were really funny. :)
And i was glad i wasn’t the only one firing back at that knucklehead.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 15, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If God created the earth, who created God ?
In the beginning WAS God. He was/is and always will be the Alhpa and the Omega. The beginning and the end.
Are you picking up what I'm putting down?
by Neo on Sep 15, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately, God also created patriots fans.
… but you what they say about pride…. ;) When they fall, it is going to be big, and there is not going to be much sympathy.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 15, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patient
Well I wasn’t expecting a win because of Arizona’s WR duo but I wasn’t expecting out offense to look that bad either. I was thinking it be a close game but now I see we are stil in a building stage and might as well be pre season with all the switches being made every week. Now we have NE next week and they will pick us apart just as before, even without Tom Brady. Our boys need to show confidence and poise and we can make a game out of any team in this league.
by dolphanforever on Sep 15, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay Matty, let me try to be positive here. :)
I like your post, overall.
I agree with Neo about Sparano vs. CamCo. You owe Sparano at least half the season, because that is what Cam got from most people, myself included. And as I stated above, so far I haven’t seen the really dumb coaching calls that I saw out of CaMularkey. And i will even give you the decision to have Wilford inactive and some of those things from game one. It is nowhere near the incompetence level we saw from Cam, and we still gave Cam slack as being new, until about halfway through the season (at least game 6).
Now, as far as the players, talent, and expectations for this year… I have to admit, things looked better in preseason than I expected, and I got my hopes up a bit about how good the Fins would be this year. But when I am honest about it, we came out of the draft and FA with three glaring needs: 1) a #1 CB, 2) WR help, and 3) O-line – Guard and depth.
So after seeing a game like this, I ask myself, “why and I surprised that we are struggling in pass defense, and on offense?”. Those three areas were not addressed (they attempted to address the G position, but let’s not get into that here) and, more importantly, they were not supposed to be addressed this first rebuilding year. The blueprint was to: 1) clear out the roster, and 2) begin to rebuild the lines. I say “begin” because with all of the rookies that we are relying upon this year, no respectable football fan would expect all of the rookies to come in and play mistake free. I admit, I have forgotten this myself with some of the progress we saw during TC, but even with Jake Long, we have to remember that there is a development process.
So according to the blueprint, I would expect this year to be devoted to developing these young guys, of which cleaning up the penalties is a part, building chemistry on the lines, and teaching the system. In a nutshell, you want to get this crap out of the way this year so that you go into next year with a solid core of guys that you can build the team around. NEXT year will be adding the WRs and CBs, and upgrading the LBs and O-line. Year 3, we should see a solid team, and sometime along the way, Henne steps in as QB.
So if I go back to reasonable expectations, what I should expect is to see the line play on both sides improve, and discipline develop as we go through the season. Which should improve, to some degree, the offense in general, and the pass D.
As much as I hate to remove my rose colored homer glasses, I think this is a realistic expectation for the year.
Now, as for Chad Henne, as has been noted Matty, Henne didn’t exactly play in “garbage time”. Yes, technically the game was out of hand, and yes, the Cards were playing prevent to a degree. But in all honesty and fairness to Henne, the Cards D was playing like they were ahead by one score with 2 mins left in the 4th. They had not pulled their starters, and they were not giving away points. They were coming for Henne on every play, and he earned that TD.
Do I think he needs to start yet? No. But I think that whenever we are out of a game this year, like we were in the 4th in this game, I think Henne needs to play. And I don’t agree with the Beck comparisons. Yes, Cam is probably responsible for ruining Beck, but we just don’t know. Could be that Beck just was never going to have the mental toughness to play in the NFL. Or it could be that he will develop it after a couple years on the sideline. We just don’t know. But what we DO know is that there are guys like Big Ben who can step on to the big field out of college and play. And Henne impresses me as that kind of guy. He is not timid; he plays like he is pissed off. And I just don’t think he second guesses himself as much as a guy like Beck will do. But again, who knows. That is just my impression from what I have seen of him, but I would like to see more. He definitely has a better arm than Pennington, and (maybe this is just my imagination) the receivers seem to step up their play for him.
About Ginn: I agree with you Matty, put him in motion, and AT least let him return kicks. Find a way to use his speed. Even if it is a decoy, you have to make every effort to use him this year and find out what he’s really worth.
Last point: Why is noone talking about Satele? Is he the elephant in the room (so to speak)? I have been less than impressed with him overall, including last year. Now before any of you “Samoan fan Fin club” (or Samoan Fin fan club?) lovers flame me, hear me out. Last year we were bad… I mean B A D! The Oline was horrible. And with everyone looking for something positive to grab hold of, there began this “at least we got Satele out of the draft” mantra…. like if we chanted it enough, it would hold back the darkness. But this has been bothering me since last year… How do you rate Satele as being a future Pro Bowler when he was simply the best of the worst? I am NOT saying he is bad…. once again, I am not saying he is bad, but what I AM saying is that as we start to build a solid OLine, he may be the weak link. Last week, not so good. This week, okay. But he still seems to get pushed back into the pocket an awful lot. And that, in turn, makes it tougher for the guards to hold their blocks. And doesn’t a lot of the inside run game depend on the center being able to get a good push?
I’m just wondering if anyone else has an educated opinion about Satele’s play so far.
I would not be terribly suprised to see both Ginn and Satele playing somewhere else next year.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 15, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Poor defensive coaching
The thing that struck me most profoundly was that it seemed—and I emphasize the word "seemed," because the commentators were horrendous—that the Phins were using two basically different defensive sets, one with 1 safety, 2 corners, and 8 men in the box, and a second with 2 safeties, 2 corners, 7 men in the box; And it seemed that all of the Cards big plays came in the 1 safety formation, which they dropped after the first quarter, then inexplicably brought back in the 2nd half.
As I said, it was difficult to be certain, because the camera angles were limited and I was impressed by the commentators’ complete lack of interest in analyzing why the Phins were at times giving up big plays and at other times controlling the Cards fairly well. I was actually reduced to counting the amount of men on-screen in our defense to try to figure this out. What it amounted to was that when I counted 9, it meant 2 safeties, and when there were 10, 1 safety, with the success or failure of our defense correlated accordingly.
For this reason, I can’t condemn our CB’s, especially Goodman. On the interference play where he pretty much tackled the receiver, what was he supposed to do? There was no safety help, and he couldn’t take a chance on a TD. The biggest puzzlement of the whole game was that the Cards have two phenomenal scoring threats, Boldin and Fitzgerald. WHY were the coaches so uninterested in covering them? It was bizarre. Do they really think the Cards are going to be breaking off 60- or 70-yard runs? Take the receivers away and we have a chance. Let them roam in single coverage at will, and, well, you saw it.
by Joe Y on Sep 15, 2008 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good points, and nice analysis.
you gotta pick your poison with an offense like the cards, but I agree… stop the pass, one way or another. I think you could be effective blitzing a lot more to pressure Warner also, but it seemed like the Fins were trying to play a run D and rely on the corners to defend the pass. And we just don’t have the CBs to play that kind of D against most teams.
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 15, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was it that said losing Donald Thomas
wasn’t that big of a deal? It was huge. He was already the best player on our O-Line.
by joel311 on Sep 15, 2008 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Relax!!!! I mean Really
Did anyone think this OL would be dominate after 2 games? We Know what we got with Pennington and If the D doesnt keep us in the game we don’t have the talent or Qb to play catch up…..The D needs help from the O…..The O has way too Many 3 and outs which puts to much pressure on the D…..every D makes mistakes our problem is the O can’t bail our D out. This is going to be a work in progress and it will be painful at times like this past week……. We do not have any home run hitters on this team on O or D so this will not be our last blow out. I think coming out of the bye week we will start to see improvement and week 6 is were we will be competitive again…..there are to many new parts on this team and coaching staff to make a fair judgement on there performance thus far. They all have made mistakes and time will tell if replacements will be needed. I do think we need to stop churning the roster for a few weeks and start building some confidence in these young guys.
by jvw on Sep 15, 2008 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts after watching the game in person
After watching the game in person yesterday, all of the dolphins holes were painfully obvious to me.
First off I see the oline taking alot of heat for allowing pressure and not opening up running lanes. To there defense they have played against two good front sevens the last two weeks that will give most teams problems all year.
But the dolphins problems is that defenses know there is no threat of being hurt with the pass so teams continue to overplay the run by stacking the box and blitzing continuously. Defenses know even if they guess wrong with their blitz the dolphins cant take advantage by beating them with the pass.
Which brings me to the dolphins second problem area is they have no starting caliber recievers on the roster. People can call for Ted Ginn all they want, but he cant get off the line of scrimmage and he can’t block down field.
Not just him but none of recievers can hold a block for more than a couple of seconds ( Camillario is even worse than Ginn in this aspect) which furter hurts our run game. Even when our backs have room to break the line of scrimmage, our recievers cant stop the secondary from flying up and making plays.
Lastly the dolphin corners recive alot of criticism for their inability to stop anybody, but our safties deserve just as much blame. Between all the missed assignments and missed tackles they make all the mistakes the corners make look much worse. Our corners were overmatched yesterday by two all pro recievers, but they didn’t recive any help either.
The good thing is that our team is young and will improve as the season goes on, but it will be a long season.
by sincityphin on Sep 15, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for that insight
you can usually see a lot more in person than on TV, and it is helpful to have that perspective.
I think most people would agree with you about the WRs. :)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 15, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back from a week and a half at the beach and ... DISAPPOINTED
Okay, so I returned yesterday and watched the second game of this “New Era” and have to say that I believe the team looks a lot like the same recent Dolphins teams … talentless and lazy. It’s not that I do not have faith in the new coach, GM, etc., but some of their off-season moves are flat out bad in my opinion, and are not upgrades to the sorry roster that went 1-15 last year. I’m not looking for miracles, but strides, hell even baby steps would be nice. I was optimistic before the season for 5 wins, now I would settle for 3. My questionable list right now after 2 games:
A. Ayodele … it obviously wasn’t his fault that he was left alone to cover Boldin on the long TD, but seriously, was he even running? It looked to me like a gentle jog before and after realizing he had no safety help. He also does not appear to fill a gap / hole consistently against the run. When he does it usually is the wrong hole from what I can tell. His tackling isn’t pristine either as it seems he not only gets pushed back, but doesn’t wrap up well. No wonder he was the “other” guy in the Ferguson trade! Anybody miss Zach even more now after watching him and Crowder?
C.Crocker … let’s clear something up, I am not a Jason Allen fan or hater, but at least he is near the ball even when getting beat. There is a reason that Atlanta (another awful team) was fine letting him go … he cannot play a lick! For R.Hill and J. Allen not to be ahead of him on the depth chart is amazing to me!
O-line … I though this would be an upgrade, but it is not. I know it is a work in progress still, but they cannot open holes and cannot pass protect either. Pitiful in my eyes. Long is still adjusting at LT and I can understand some growing pains there but he is the #1 overall pick. Smiley was said to be a “solid” free agent LG but does not appear to be much more than serviceable to me. Satele was rumored to be a young “promising” center who has been beaten like a red headed step child this year (he has been pushed back into thebackfield too consistently to be considered effective in my mind). Carey, a veteran playing RT, where I read he was “pro-bowl caliber” but is also getting beat and has no push at the snap. Worse of all is our back ups … did you see when Carey stepped off for one play? I did not see who it was, but the ball was snapped and he stood there while 2 Cardinals ran by him before he got out of his stance!
T. Ginn … where is he? Why is he not returning kicks (I happen to like Bess there, but Ginn was supposed to be a threat here right)? I know that he is getting man-handled at the line, but I watched a smaller Deshaun Jackson not have that problem for the Eagles last week. Why can’t Ginn do the same? Maybe we should go back to when he was drafted and heed the words “the entire Ginn family” (as Cammy said) by signing his entire immediate family to help him get off the line (unless they are also undersized, then we should just use their family’s sedan).
I could go on and on it seems (ie: what happened to Fasano this week?, how does the coaching staff allow 12 players on the field not once but twice?, Goodman’s obvious struggles with any and all receivers, bad penalties at key times, etc.) but I am beginning to rant myself which is bad for my physical well being.
One positive … the only thing that I can think of right now in my frustrated mind is that the league is merciful and stops the bleeding after 60 minutes.
Just my humble opinion.
by bcb on Sep 15, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
New BEGINNING
I think everyone has to realize that this is truly a new beginning. Like, almost as bad as an expansion team – maybe worse.
I hate pointing the finger and blaming others, but you HAVE to point to the draft failures of past regimes that have really doomed this franchise. It’s one thing to screw up your mid or late round picks, but you simply can NOT throw up air balls on your 1st round picks for a decade. It’s one thing when your first rounders aren’t the superstars you thought they were going to be, but they have to CONTRIBUTE. Our former draft picks don’t even contribute. Jason Allen, 1st rounder, never sniffs the field. Ted Ginn is now on the verge of not sniffing the field. Eddie Moore, our 2nd rounder and only pick, gone. John Avery 1st rounder, gone. Our franchise cornerstones, Jason Taylor, Zach Thomas, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain, Randy McMichael, Chris Chambers, all long gone.
This team has no assets outside of Ronnie Brown and Jake Long.
Our entire drat from last year outside of Samson Satele is either gone (L. Booker, R. Mauia) or on the bench (Ginn, Beck).
From 2006, 1st round Allen is OUT. No 2nd rounder. 3rd rounder Hagan is marginal at best. No other player from this draft is even on the team or contributes.
Look at our 1st round picks since 1997:
Yatil Green, John Avery, No 1st rounder in 1999 and 2000. Jamar Fletcher in 2001. No 1st rounder in 2002 and 2003. Vernon Carey in 2004. Ronnie Brown in 2005. Jason Allen in 2006. Ted Ginn in 2007. Jake Long in 2008.
Only Carey, Brown and Long are significant contributors, and a pretty good argument can be made that the running game is the weakest part of the team.
We have no game-breaking, game-changing talent from a 1st round pick since 1997, outside of a pending result of Jake Long. Maybe, just maybe Ronnie Brown can be a guy, but he is off major knee surgery now and splits carries on the worst team in football.
This team has NO cornerstones to build off of. The cupboard was completely bare when this coaching staff has got here. They didn’t have an Adrian Peterson, or a Calvin Johnson, or a Patrick Willis to build around. Their best player was past his prime (Taylor) and they did the right thing by trading him.
It is going to take 3-4 years before you see any sort of a contender, and another 2-3 years before this team is competitive. And that is assuming solid drafts year in and year out, which is no gimme for this franchise.
by MWB2069 on Sep 15, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL! OH MATTI, COME ON!
You indeed make a rambling post and you end it by saying we need to relax, lol. Look, here is the thing. These guys are simply not a good team this year. By good I mean the 7-9 games we all thought was a possibility. Its not going to happen. That being said, we are NOT as bad as last year. No way No how. Last year’s team was truly an 0-16 team. This years team has a good o/line. and some other exciting young pieces like Langford, and Merling.
I disagree with you about Henne. Pennington can still play and be serviceable, but I don’t think that he can win games with his arm. I think you nailed it at first. Henne has the gun and I just dont think you learn how to do something by watching. I believe you learn by doing. You get Henne in there, open up the offense and let him throw it around in there. Either way we’ll end up with less than 5 wins, so I ask you….
Whats the difference?!
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Sep 15, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not that Henne is going to learn by watching...
…I just don’t want him out there getting killed while this team lacks talent. Let’s get better players and let the OL gel before Henne goes out there.
Oh….and you said this year’s team “has a good OL.” Really? Because I don’t see it. So far, it’s been all hype and no performance from this OL.
by Matty I on Sep 15, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The o line will be fine. They will prove to be better than last year. Its only reletive to the Dolphin, buddy. Maybe if we had a guy with a cannon like Henne we can begin to strect it out a bit.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Sep 15, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henne/Beck
Not the same guy. That’s definitely true… however the argument that Henne would cope with starting first year better than Beck did is not really the most convincing reason not to start Henne. David Carr had the swagger and the poise to start first year as well. That doesn’t mean that the Texans did him any good starting him behind a ramshackled O-line. Let the O-line get it together first and then start Henne.
What’s the real difference between starting Penno and Henne this year 3-13 as opposed to maybe 5-11??? The only thing that gets us is a worse draft pick. Then we wouldn’t be able to draft someone awesome. Like Ted Ginn.
by Braun Holio on Sep 15, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Line has been Hype
But I believe they will gel w/ time….with both Ronnie & Ricky having running problems…it is contributed to the line. I feel we should pound it longer each game and wear the other defenses down…R & R are both beasts and will get better as the game goes on. Also…we don’t have any developed stars at receiver & defenses know it and are not worried about the big play….that is why we should stop being so conservative, open up & go for it (what do we have to lose).
Another weakness exposed during the game was Pennington’s arm…some longer throws just didn’t have it & went un-catchable. Henne made some throws (threading the needle with a Bullet) that Pennington couldn’t have (good sign for our future).
For now keep pounding the ball…don’t give up on running & throw some deep balls!
AND…..Defense get your head(s) out of your ass(es)!
I know it was only preseason but the whole team played with confidence……regular season looked like a bunch of scared rookies!
by MassFinFan65 on Sep 15, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good O-Line??
What games are you watching!?
by joel311 on Sep 16, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The line will porve to be better than last year’s is the point. And we wont be damned -near 0-16. Ok?! Did you read everything that I wrote or are you just trying to make a spectacle of yourself?
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Sep 16, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I read what you said and I responded to it.
You specifically said we have a good O-Line not a potentially good O-Line. Big difference, buddy.
by joel311 on Sep 16, 2008 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is...
…that last year they were making the same mistakes in week 17 that they were making at the beginning of the year. Lets give TS the same time and see if the same mistakes are being made.
Anyone think Parcells is going to allow the same things to be happening in week 17 that are happening now?
by dab415217 on Sep 16, 2008 8:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do not think Henne should start,
but I do think he should play a series every quarter. It really would help us evaluate our O-Line when the box isn’t stacked against us.
by joel311 on Sep 16, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Screw that!
I don’t understand what you guys are so scared of. This is football, not rocket science. Henne can get it done and I bet it’ll be game 4 that he’ll be the starter from here on out. We spent a 2nd round pick on the guy and he has a cannon. I hope they get his azz out there and soon.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Sep 16, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank God you are not an NFL head coach.
You’d be worse than Cam Cam.
by joel311 on Sep 16, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank God that you're nothing..
But an annoying blog poster.
"If anything goes bad, I did it. If anything goes semi-good, we did it. If anything goes really good you did it. That's all it takes to get people to win football games for you."
Coach Paul Bear Bryant
by AussieKen on Sep 16, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God hates blogs
no more thanking God
On this team, we are all united in a common goal: to keep my job.
-- Lou Holtz
by Little Nicky 21 on Sep 16, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Lemon was so bad and Pennington is the best since Marino, why only 3 pts from the best? Did Lemon ever lead this team to only 3 pts? Say what you may about his accuracy but I think he had 50% comp in most games. He might have missed some receivers while running for his life but he was able to get the ball out unlike you know who.
by truthandjustice93 on Sep 17, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You want truth?
You just can’t be taken seriously as an NFL QB with a name like “Lemon”.
:)
-LCFF
by LeftCoastFinFan on Sep 17, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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